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Kansas City Chiefs Approval Poll: New OC Bill Muir

By now you've more than likely heard that the Kansas City Chiefs have promoted offensive line coach Bill Muir to offensive coordinator. I'm going to assume, because Muir has never officially been in charge of calling offensive plays, that head coach Todd Haley will take on most of those duties. Despite what Haley says

I'm also going to assume, like a lot of you already have, that the somewhat odd timing of this internal promotion suggests that the Kansas City Chiefs were waiting on another candidate from another team who either turned them down or they weren't able to speak with them for some reason.

So, we have a paper offensive coordinator who wasn't our first choice. I know that doesn't sound very good but I'm not really upset with this decision. 

We've talked about the hiring of Bill Muir. Now let's vote on it. Do you approve of the promotion of Bill Muir to offensive coordinator?

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Do you approve of the Chiefs promoting Bill Muir to offensive coordinator?
Approve
660 votes
Disapprove
1016 votes
Not sure
1278 votes

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I saw the announcement on the Chiefs website earlier this afternoon.

Then I did a little research on Bill Muir. He has a lot of experience which is good. Who knows how it will work out, but as with anything else, you have to try it to see if it works. He’s done a good job with the O-line so far, and we still have a QB coach, so let’s see how this plays out.
One thing’s for certain – it will definitely show if Haley’s ideas for game plans and plays are good or not, since he’ll have Muir to do a lot of the basic OC work. This time, no one will be able to say it’s because the workload is too great. :-)

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes for the rest of the season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Feb 3, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

i think this is great..

Continuity. No new lango, no new plays, same play book, same scheme. Everyone stays on pace with development and we have a proven winner at OC. you dont stay OC from 2002-2008 with a superbowl team without having some knowledge of wtf is going on. This guy is underrated, even by most of us. I think its a GREAT hire.

Where are all the Matt Cassel Haters now??
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by ChiefsFTW on Feb 3, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

thats why i disapprove...

same plays? no sir, not after last year. I like his experience but we needed a young innovative mind that will open it up

by Chiefs190 on Feb 3, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think

That anyone in the Chiefs organization doesn’t realize we need to improve on play calling. The point of keeping someone in house is that we don’t have another mastermind coming in trying to change the lingo and playbook. We learn from the past and move forward. Just because we didn’t get a shiny name to come in to be the OC doesn’t mean we are stuck with sh*t. I don’t think the front office is going to do anything but move this team forward and work toward being a contender every year.

by Spiderwomn69 on Feb 3, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

you never know either, liek i said I love his experience and his ability with the Offensive Line. I’m just sayin that this could Round 2 of the Mike Solari effect. I guess we will have to see

by Chiefs190 on Feb 3, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Scary

Like russian roulette with our offense!

by Spiderwomn69 on Feb 3, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is the same not good?

Don’t you like having the #1 Rushing team in the NFL with a back that averages 6.4 ypc?

by Skrappy on Feb 3, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

LAME LAME LAME LAME....and I see four other noobs agree....that is SAD.

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!

by crashman6 on Feb 4, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What is sad is you really didn't make a statement, just dropped some hate.

Rather be a ‘noob’ than a troll.

What's the difference between jelly and jam?

by WestonK on Feb 7, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

So while they are fighting on the other page

Does this mean we are going to draft O-line? lol

by 25 or Die on Feb 3, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

I understand C

But why does everyone on here hate on Barry Richardson so much it was his first year starting and he’s easily the most improved player this year

by 25 or Die on Feb 3, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Because he isn't that good and has little potential left?

He was the de facto starter when O’Callaghan went down, but he was definitely the weak link on the O-Line.

I do think we will stick with Richardson though, although I would be happy with a RT or C in Round 1. I don’t like any of the OLB or NT enough to warrant a first round choice.

by Nick Britt on Feb 3, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

What about the Aldon Idea

And Paea can rush the passer like no other if hes not the only one trying

by 25 or Die on Feb 3, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

OH NO YOU DI'INT

Trapped in the past, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Feb 3, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

ummmm

it was year 2 if im not mistaken and there is little potential left? hes hit the cieling after year 2? im not saying he is the answer for sure but there is still plenty of room to grow with richardson.

by Hendrix on Feb 3, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Fourth option:

“About the same way you felt when Herman Edwards was hired.”

That’s about how I would vote. Not really ecstatic. No angrily disappointed. Just kind of… “Hmm…that guy? Huh. Okay…”

by jbj8609 on Feb 3, 2011 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't say that.

I wanted to kill someone when they hired Herm. Turns out my original gut feeling was pretty right on about Herm too. He SUCKED!

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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Feb 3, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

he did when he was allowed to ... in 2008

the first 2 years were Peterson’s … not very good, and too many washed up vet signings

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by upamtn on Feb 3, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

By hired,

you guys mean traded a goddamned fourth round pick for right? Cuz that’s what really hurt about that whole situation.

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by Sudden on Feb 3, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure here

I’m ok with the hire, as long as we get an excellent QB coach to help Cassel progress. I do not want to see Cassel regress to when Haley was the HC, OC, and QB coach. We need someone in here to keep pushing Matt and to train our QB of the future we hopefully draft this year.

by chiefn25 on Feb 3, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

Jim Zorn just got shit-canned by Ballsitchmore

And a lot of the players aren’t too thrilled about that. I wonder if there’s any chance he could come to KC to help out.

by Ochophosphate on Feb 3, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Ballsitchmore?

I’ve never seen a bigger stretch to come up with a clever city name.

I wonder why Zorn got fired? Because Flacco didn’t take his game to the next level this year?

Trapped in the past, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Feb 3, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

Armpittsburgh
©LeaveLand
Cinncinasty

The AFC North is just a trove of witty names (or attempts at it at least) waiting to happen.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.

by Sudden on Feb 3, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Flacco is miffed about that

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by upamtn on Feb 3, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Disapprove

For me this has the feel of getting Pendergast when you wanted Crennel. As sacreligious as it sounds, for me, it is not all about the wins and losses. I was excited at the prospect of new offensive mind coming in using some very talented players in ways that we hadn’t yet seen before. This feels like more of the same, which at 10-6, ain’t all bad, just not too exciting.

by paxi on Feb 3, 2011 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

This.

Basically, this is subtracting Weis without adding anyone. That said, although I voted disapproval, I remain open minded, and hope that Haley can prove me wrong with his playcalling.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 3, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

A good way to view it

I did approve but in the end we won’t know how good/bad this idea is for awhile.

I also think Haley held off on announcing this after AP’s monthly approval poll in case there were skeptics…

by Spiderwomn69 on Feb 3, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha!

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 3, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Tark

Can’t believe your not all over the “Not Sure”

I actually voted Approve!

For Haley, I think this is a perfect fit. I’m not sure about how things will work out, but I think Haley was going to call the plays, no matter who he hired.

by grid_iron on Feb 3, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh. :)

This is one place where “Not Sure” makes sense, because so much is still unknown. That’s different from voting “Not Sure” for someone who has been on the job for two years (or even longer, in the case of Clark Hunt).

I think even with the caveat that Haley was likely to call the plays, a better choice could have been made. I’d have rather he hired a young QB coach who would would have allowed him to call plays, but whose “arrow points up,” as Haley is fond of saying. Heck, even Sirianni would have excited me more than Muir, even though he’s probably not ready.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 3, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Arrow is down or sideways at best

I definitely agree with that. But he does have extensive experience in playing the exact role they are asking of him. Thats why I call it a perfect fit.

Also agree that there were a LOT of better choices out there. He sure isn’t anybody’s first choice.

by grid_iron on Feb 3, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

When my "arrow is down"...I pop a Viagra.

2010 was merely a glimpse of Chiefs to come...

by Scott B. on Feb 4, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm. Good point with the Pendergast situation.

This does feel oddly similar. We wait and wait for an announcement and they end up picking an underwhelming on-staff replacement. I think it’s clear now that Haley wanted Crennel in the first place and had to end up using Clancy as a stopgap.

I can definitely understand the thinking. Instead of bringing in someone for a one-year shot only to get rid of them when the guy you’re waiting for comes open. This new guy could come in and change the system, players’ mechanics, etc. This way we maintain continuity.

Further, you have to think Muir is about ready for retirement. So why not let him handle the OC job in his last year, maintain the status quo how Haley likes it, and bring in our guy next year?

So the question would be who exactly are they waiting for??

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Feb 3, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

wow, well

that would really reignite the “Haley has a huge ego and can’t work with anyone”, “Haley ran off Muir into retirement” crowd. Oh well, I don’t think we’ll ever get past those guys. They’ve made up their mind they hate Haley and there won’t be any changing their mind. Perhaps I shouldn’t castigate them. I totally hated Herm from day 1. I think the difference though is that Haley is smart and has potential and the right attitude and I think will win here. Herm isn’t smart and was never going to succeed.

Sign Shaun Smith.

by kabrink on Feb 5, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Clearly Bill Muir will be the catalyst to unleash the awesomeness that is Dexter McCluster.

Clearly.

Trapped in the past, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Feb 3, 2011 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

Clearly.

Clearly.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 3, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yes.

Clearly.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Feb 3, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

clear as a bell......

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by LadyChief on Feb 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

clear as mud

Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
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by trentchiefsfan on Feb 4, 2011 2:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, Chris, I think Muir has OC experience.

He OCed in Tampa Bay. Wasn’t too successful, but a lot of that (imo) was because they needed to re-load on O-Line. It was kind of a Chan Gailey situation.

My name is Harry S. (Steve) Mills. Mom 'n' Dad named me "Steve," and Dad snuck "Harry" on the birth certificate. I teach math at Aims Community College, in Greeley, CO.

by hmills110 on Feb 3, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions  

Good point.

And I DID have a twinge, there. Didn’t Gruden call his plays?

My name is Harry S. (Steve) Mills. Mom 'n' Dad named me "Steve," and Dad snuck "Harry" on the birth certificate. I teach math at Aims Community College, in Greeley, CO.

by hmills110 on Feb 3, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah a super bowl win is not too successful.

Are you kidding?

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!

by crashman6 on Feb 4, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

+2

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 3, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take bonnie.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Feb 3, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya.

She looks pretty damn good next to a 17 year old Miss America.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 3, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

always thought she was pretty.

plus…I love a woman my age or a bit older. mature. classy. intelligent..

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Feb 3, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

My tastes in women have changed as I’ve gotten older. Still, I was surprised at how good she looks in that picture, considering who she’s posing with. Why, if I was Joe Namath, I could just kiss her! Oh wait, wrong ESPN reporter.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 3, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the fact that our skill-position HC has coordinators from the trenches, myself.

As I’ve said, before, to mostly negative reviews, getting the most out of the big men is an art. Except for 4-3 DEs, the trenches are mostly thankless. The big man has to have a sense of pride and there needs to be buy-in at a level that a sharp-tongued WR coach might not have the knack for getting.

Haley’s showing a lot of respect for the line positions, and I really, really like that.

I have little gripe with playcalling from last year or even the year before. Too many 1-on-1s up front and on the perimeter that were NOT being won for the offensive playcalling to avoid trickeration. Misdirection (and a world-class sprinter) were about all the offense has had going for it for the last couple years. The signing and instant start of Kevin Curtis in the playoffs speaks VOLUMES about the org’s assessment of their talent on the perimeter.

I’m not sure how much better the WR position group can become with the current rogues’ gallery, or whom they will acquire, and how good he/they will be. But I bet that talent acquisition will have more to do with our take on Muir next season than anything special Muir does. It looked to me like Muir did a FINE job. For all the shite spoken about Barry Richardson, the ?5?-year veteran made more progress since Haley came along than it did in all the years before that.

Muir’s solid, and the big men buy in. For ONCE in I don’t know how many years, the talking heads were using KC blocking schemes and execution as examples of the BEST in the league. I talk all the time about how Jamaal Charles MADE that O-Line, but, within their physical limitations, they did some very, very good things last year, in particular.

My name is Harry S. (Steve) Mills. Mom 'n' Dad named me "Steve," and Dad snuck "Harry" on the birth certificate. I teach math at Aims Community College, in Greeley, CO.

by hmills110 on Feb 3, 2011 6:07 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

the ?5?-year veteran made more progress since Haley came along than it did…

You mean "…he did…

My name is Harry S. (Steve) Mills. Mom 'n' Dad named me "Steve," and Dad snuck "Harry" on the birth certificate. I teach math at Aims Community College, in Greeley, CO.

by hmills110 on Feb 3, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

way to keep that guy honest, Prof!

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by upamtn on Feb 3, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Muir....Who???

Sorry fans but it played out just like I told you it would. Haley unable to make a decision because of his lack of football knowledge waits until all the good OC’ s are gone and we are stuck with this bozo. I have had seaon tickets since day 1. You think I would of known better than get excited about the Chefs.

by rmb929 on Feb 3, 2011 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

Then I will gladly go in your place. HOW THE HELL IS THIS HALEY NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION???

WHO THE HELL ELSE WERE WE GOING TO HIRE THAT IS SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN THE SITUATION WE NOW HAVE GOING INTO THE SEASON?

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!

by crashman6 on Feb 4, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Approve this

Keeping it in house allows the further development of the offense, especially Cassel, and gives Haley the ability to keep his influence deep in the offense. The thought that they will hire a QB coach will allow that coach to fully dedicate himself to Cassel and not have to worry about doing coordinator work, especially if he was a newly promoted OC. Smart move all- around, in my opinion

"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter

by FalconMF27 on Feb 3, 2011 7:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

approve, because

he has 2 yrs of haley experience under his belt.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Feb 3, 2011 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

Actually He has 9 years of Haley experience

But of course that’s just a cover because we all know Haley hates, and can’t work with any other Coach’s but himself, and they all hate him.

by dablueguy on Feb 4, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Muir as OC? Honestly first thing that came to mind was SOLARI!

I’m sure Haley will be doing majority of the work, but having another OL coach as OC just scares me.

Jared Allen, Culinary Acadamy

by aPacificChief on Feb 4, 2011 2:36 AM CST reply actions  

Thank you!

I thought I was the only one who remember that fiasco. Old OC: Al Saunders = great offense great play calling. Herm’s Solution: promote Solari. Result? Just enough offense to back into playoffs and get slammed by Indy. Old OC: Charlie Weis = improving offense, few or at least fewer mistakes by Cassel and a earned trip to playoffs. Haley’s solution: promote Muir: probable result = inability to make good in game calls and Haley doing the majority of the play calling for the Chiefs again. Not enough focus on the team aspect of the game. Very disappointing…

You can't spell "suck" without KSU

by danrice on Feb 4, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

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