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Adding Playoff Games Instead Of 18-Game Season

A few weeks ago we passed along one idea for an 18-game schedule that involved each player playing in a maximum of 16 games meaning you had to pick a pair of games each year players would miss. It was a little off-the-wall but I liked the idea of thinking outside the box.

Another 18-game season idea has come along, this time from Ravens C Matt BirkHere's what he suggested to a Minneapolis radio station:

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I would say maybe like something like a 16-game season and [eliminate two preseason games] and maybe expand the playoffs by two teams and eliminate the first-round bye for the one and two seeds. That would give you two more playoff games on TV that you could televise.

For some time, the Chiefs were apparently one of the teams who wanted more teams added to the playoff field. That never happened obviously but Birk's idea reminds me of that.

In his idea, yes you'd gain two playoff games, which would be some good revenue for both sides but you'd also be losing two preseason games -- and you get charged at full price for those. It seems you wouldn't come out very far ahead, if at all, financially. And that's what this is all about -- increasing the pie for everyone. I like this idea better than the 18-game-season-but-only-play-16-game idea but both of them have some flaws.

I'm trying to come up with ideas on an 18-game schedule that A.) works for the fans and B.) works for the players (player safety) and C.) for the owners (increasing revenue). Any ideas? I'm not sure that there are any realistic ideas out there that solve all those problems.

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Not a bad idea...

Better idea: WHATEVER it takes to guarantee the NFL moves forward without a lockout. Don’t make the same mistake other sports leagues have made. GET THE CBA SIGNED!!!

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by ChiefsatWar on Feb 22, 2011 2:19 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

+1000

No joke these clowns need to get over themselves and fix the mess they created by their greed (both sides). Screw Roger Goodell, screw the owners, and screw DeMaurice Smith you all suck!

by realdealhill27 on Feb 22, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Players aren't helping themselves either

If I was DeMaurice Smith, I’d advise the players to stay the hell off twitter. It’s hard to feel bad for guys who go to their fans asking if they should buy a Lamorghini or Ferrari or to hear about players racking up $100,000 bar tabs.

He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man.

by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You raise a good issue

I too get tired of hearing multi-millionaires whine about lack of future security.

by SCKSChief on Feb 22, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Cowherd

said that 40% of NFL players are broke 2 years out of the league… I guess they must think that is the owners fault too LOL

by Raiderhater1 on Feb 22, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

I wish I had that problem. I’ve often wondered what I would buy to spend $1M per…

Maybe insurance? Or an IRA?

by SCKSChief on Feb 22, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

And the average career is only 3.5 years with an average salary of only $770k.

These guys are trying to make enough to support their whole life in a few shorts years. $2.6M over the course of a career is not that much money.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 22, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh come on.

You’re a working stiff like the rest of us.
At $75K per year, it would take someone 34 years to make $2.6M.
So they have to get a job at 29, cry me a freaking river.

I’m sorry, I don’t feel sorry for the players at all…nor am I backing the owners. I’m just pissed.

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by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Coming from the guy who dropped somewhere around $75k at a bar in Seattle

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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 22, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

If there is no football in 2011

It’s going to be hard for me to pick up a tab in New York/Chicago/Detroit

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by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Same here

I could care less who “Wins” with a new CBA. Both sides are going to say they gave up too much and they didnt win enough… Typical business.
Who cares lets just have football.

by Raiderhater1 on Feb 22, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

So in real terms...

That equates to someone making 90k a year for 30 years.

Still finding it hard to feel bad here!

by BigRoz on Feb 22, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah and that

FREE college education hurts so much. So hard for them to have to actually USE it…

by Raiderhater1 on Feb 22, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Good points

Let’s not forget they are also given a college education most of us have to pay several thousand dollars for. Should’nt that supply them with a decent living after their playing days?

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by dklogue1 on Feb 23, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Player safety???

What in the world does player safety have to do with anything,Joel?

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

The players have consistently said

They don’t want to play 18 games because of player safety (i.e. more injuries with more games).

by Joel Thorman on Feb 22, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

18 games vs. 16 games

All 32 teams playing 18 games is no different than the 12 teams that make the playoffs. They have no problem playing extra games in the postseason, but don’t want to play 2 extra games in the regular season? Doesn’t make much sense to me

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure it does.

The 12 teams making the playoffs would be playing even more games, as many as 21 for the Super Bowl teams.

I have a compromise: Add another bye week, expanding the regular season to 18 weeks, but leave the effing playoffs alone.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Solution?

Rest your players, ala baseball. Give them a game or two off if the concern is them getting hurt.

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

No

I want the sport, period. Players are doing everything within their rights to dispute this negotiation. Soon, the players will realize they will be the one ceding on this issue, not the owners. The players have YET to bend on anything (as what’s been reported), and, unfortunately, they will ultimately be the one’s that cause the work stoppage. There have been excuses to deny anything the owners have proposed to either outright take money away (from the practice squad/lower end players at that) or expand the pie by playing more regular season games.

But if player safety is the chief concern, then the players shouldn’t play, bottom line.

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

they will ultimately be the one’s that cause the work stoppage.

Weren’t the owners the ones who opted out of the current CBA?

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by JComp11 on Feb 22, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Regardless

If they didn’t opt out, we would have been talking about this next season when the contract was actually up.

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take that.

We’re always going to be talking about negotiations in the future — better in the future than right now.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

The players are willing to bend on the rookie salary cap.

And I agree, it needs to be changed

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by nateforchiefs on Feb 22, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

PFFFTTT

ill take 2 concussions and 6 broken bones for 2.5 mill ..hell i toss in a couple twisted ankles and a torn ligament. …..i put mi life on the line every day and dont make close to that .i dont wanna hear it

by Redreign on Feb 22, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not like any ideas that increase # of playoff teams

I am always afraid of further cheapening of the playoffs like the NBA and NHL.

Sign a new CBA NOW, you greedy bastards.

by kabrink on Feb 22, 2011 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

+1000000000

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Feb 22, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Player safety, Shmlayer Shmayfty

Give the players an extra 2 game checks, and they will run through a brick wall, they are only balking at it because it is a bargaining chip. Every year the Pittsburgs, New Englands and Indianapolis’ of the world are consistantly back in the playoffs despite playing 18+ games a year including playoffs. It’s clearly not impacting the end product of well run teams and last I checked they aren’t suffering any more injuries than the Detroits, Tampas or Oaklands.

I’m not saying player safety isn’t important, far from it, but come on.

I still think the best scenario is 17 games, 2 preseason games, and leave the playoffs alone.

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by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

i liked your idea

Don't sign H.B Blades because of his special teams ability, or because he's a solid backup SILB at 5'10." Sign H.B Blades because his name is awesome

by 808NaNz808 on Feb 22, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop keeping score and give all the players orange wedges and a certificate...

that way everyone wins and know one gets their feelings or body hurt

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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 22, 2011 2:51 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

My Solution...

Still have a sixteen team schedule and count those games toward the playoffs. Have a two game preseason. Get rid of the Pro Bowl.

Add two games from a tournament after the two preseason games and before the 16 game season that does not count against the playoff standings. Split the league into 8 four team pools. i.e. #32 plays # 29 and #31 plays #30. Then the winners play each other and the losers play each other. These last two games determine the draft order. Also, assign a pot of money (that would come from not having the Pro Bowl) that would be split 40/30/20/10 based on the outcome of each pool to go to the players. Does not impact the draft order greatly and incents the players to play two extra games.

Thoughts?

by chiefsjwg on Feb 22, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

Only problem I see is

Now you are letting the stronger teams get higher draft picks—exactly what the current draft is supposed to guard against.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Feb 22, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Just let

them all use HGH… Then they cant complain about injuries since you would reduce recovery time by half…
Oh wait!

by Raiderhater1 on Feb 22, 2011 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

Since before realignment

i have always thought the nfl should be played as followed..
1. NO PRESEASON..we pay full price any way
2. 20 game season just replaced preseason, we pay full price
3. expanded roster by 10. say 6 dressed 4 more on practice squad (example) we pay full price.
4.NO NON CONFERENCE matchups untill Superbowl, we now have a 20 game schedule each team can play its division twice as it does now and the remainder of its entire conference once.
5. top 8 from each conference makes playoffs..no buys no bs just football.
6. Now i am no mathematical genius but i just gave a few people some jobs .gave the nfl its 2 more games albeight postseason where revenue is potentially way more than preseason.(we pay full price) and everyone is happy
7 and most important imo.Who the hell had the bright idea to put the colts in the afc south instead of the dolphins take a phlippin geography class already.

by Redreign on Feb 22, 2011 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

A spin on the 18 games, but players play in 16.

Instead of doing it by games make it by quarters. Each player can not play more than 64 quarters in a given regular season. OT would not go against the count. Teams have a big lead they can set certain players 2nd halves or quarters.

by Helmets on Feb 22, 2011 2:55 PM CST reply actions  

Good Idea!

That is negotiating table worthy.

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Very creative

I really like the idea of a quarter limit as opposed to the idea of having to sit a player for 2 games as other proposals suggested. I wonder though how many players would truly be affected by this though when you consider that most players will miss at least a couple quarters usually a couple games due to injury. Also it could get sloppy saying how long is a quarter (what if a guy is in for like 3 minutes of a 4th quarter then coaches pull him due to the game being clearly out of reach)

Still very interesting

by realdealhill27 on Feb 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think two bye weeks and an expanded roster should do the trick

That means we get an extra two weeks of football even though individual teams only get one extra game. More rest for the players, more revenue for the nfl, more football for the fans.

by Vince D on Feb 22, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

I think an extra bye week per team

is part of the 18 game plan the NFL is proposing. 18 games plus two bye weeks for a 20 game season to sell to the TV networks. And extra roster/gameday spots are part of the plan, too.

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

I’m amazed all the bizarre proposals to “fix” the most popular sport in the history of the country.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

No kidding

I think the answer is, “Owners, drop this stupid idea. And players, quit bitching about money. Let’s do this.”

by SCKSChief on Feb 22, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Players aren't bitching about money, actually.

They’re just trying to keep as much as they can of what they already have.

But other than that, yeah.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been fine with expaning he amount of games they play

Though they would also need to expand the rosters and practice squads.

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by tybme on Feb 22, 2011 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

Not really watered down

Your best 22 will still be out there whenever the game is in question. Expanded rosters just gives you the ability to keep Sippio around!

by BigRoz on Feb 22, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I do think it waters it down..

I’d much rather see the starters as much as possible, not sitting constantly in order to preserve them because the season is too long..

by bamachief5558 on Feb 22, 2011 11:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The plain and simple fact of the matter is

that players are more often than not completely beat up physically by the time a 16 game season ends. The four preseason games are very different critters than regular season. In the first two games, veterans play limited roles. The preseason games are to find out what your rookies are made of an if they have any potential . By the third game, the veterans begin to see more playing time but the games are still not as physical as the regular season and the coaches “try” to make sure there are not injuries which will end a player’s season. Leave the number of games at sixteen. The old “leave them wanting more” axiom certainly applies here. Both sides need to get over their greed, leave the season at 16 games, and GET IT DONE!

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by G.L. on Feb 22, 2011 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

Without the preseason

There needs to be other ways of establishing a team’s best roster. Developmental league, bigger roster, etc. would need to be explored definitely

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

To keep things even, you'd almost have to add 4 teams. 2 per conference.

The problems with that are that you basically have half of the NFL in the playoffs. And many of the teams outside the playoff bubble just aren’t that good. Yes, the 7-9 Seahawks shocked the Saints, but do we really want to see more mediocre teams in the playoffs?

It’s a nice outside the box idea, but it really doesn’t help. There is no bell curve for performance in the NFL. Parity isn’t so great that you have a bunch of .500 teams and only a few really dominant or really horrible teams. It tends to be pretty even straight down the list. Opening up the playoff field doesn’t make it more competitive. You are more likely to see blow outs in some of the early games.

Personally, I like the schedule as is and they should leave it alone. I can’t understand why the owners think that playing more games and putting more damage on your players is a good thing.

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by Falcon58 on Feb 22, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions  

While it would let in a few more 8-8 teams

and occassionally a 7-9, although th Hawks proved a 7-9 can both make it and compete in the current system anyway. But the reason the Hunts wanted it is to keep 10-6, and occassionally even 11-5 teams, from misiing the playoffs as often happens with the current system.

If you just add one more wildcard in each conference, the 1 seed still gets a bye, but the 2 seed plays. Wildcard weekend is two triple headers instead of two doubles (more games for TV,) and you still have the rivalries and importance of division games as in the current system. I don’t think it would water down anything, as there are rarely ever “too few” teams fighting for the wildcard spots…

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think "often" is the right word..

It happens occasionally.. when we went 10-6 and missed the playoffs we were one of only a very few teams to ever have done so; same with Matt Cassel’s 11-5 Patriots.

It’s a bummer when it happens to your team, but it doesn’t happen nearly enough to expand the playoffs to 14 teams.. hated that the Chiefs were the ones who brought that to the table following the ’06 season.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 22, 2011 11:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Do you think it would help

to have a solid break in the middle like baseball’s All-Star break? I think the guys would be significantly less injured at the the ens of the year if, for 2 Sundays (plus the weekdays on either side) in late October/early November, the NFL took a break as a whole. Then move up by 1 game and add playoffs as mentioned. If you like, you could even leave in the bye week. The total season would then be 20 weeks long (not including playoffs) with a 20 day break in the middle (no Thurs or Mon games in there)

I think the chance to rest and recover in the middle of the season might make the extended season even safer than the original. I could be way wrong. Opinions?

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by Chief TigerGator on Feb 22, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions  

Honestly, I think 2 evenly spaced bye weeks would be good for all clubs.

Say each bye week is no closer than 5 apart. If you expand the schedule, you almost have to add another bye week.

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by Falcon58 on Feb 22, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You're missing the point.

The owners want more weeks of NFL on TV, not less. No way they have a break where no one plays.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

That’s why I think adding a 2nd bye week would solve that problem if they go to 20 games.

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by Falcon58 on Feb 22, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

They really need to

set the SB up in the end of Feb. This would give cold weather teams a better chance of hosting the SB.
Adding a bye week pushes it back at least 1 week.

by Raiderhater1 on Feb 22, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

...if it was an 18 game schedule

The SB would fall on the Sunday of the February long weekend, which we all agree, is a good thing.

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by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Boom

Great point! With the season going through mid February, it gives the time for the weather to warm up a bit going into the spring. Superbowl at Arrowhead this last week when it was 60 degrees? Perfect football weather

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by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

It would somewhat "solve" things if they stayed at 16 games.

That is, they could increase the season to 18 weeks without adding more games.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a great idea

Some kind of break in the middle of the season for all teams would help with an expanded season

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's my proposal for the NFL Schedule:

Currently: 4 preseason games, 16 regular season games over 17 weeks (1 bye). 4 weeks of playoff games.

Proposal: 2 preseason games, 18 regular season games over 20 weeks (2 byes). 4 weeks of playoff games.

Same amount of games, but you add a week to the overall season and two more meaningful weeks to the regular season. I would not be against expanding the playoffs IF we go to an 18 game schedule.

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by Falcon58 on Feb 22, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

Thats almost exactly what the owners are proposing

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And the players don't like this because...

Anyone know?

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by Falcon58 on Feb 22, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently "safety concerns"

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think they are against it

As much as they see it as a bargaining chip if they oppose it.

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there a money component to it as well?

How their salaries breakdown?

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by Falcon58 on Feb 22, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The players would still get the same % they get now with an 18 game schedule

So as long as the revenue generated from the 2 extra regular season games increases, so will the player’s salaries

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 22, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I think two more game checks are a given

Which is a big raise for a $300,000 a year guy with no signing bonus who gets his money in game checks, but a negligable raise for guys at the top like Peyton Manning, who get relatively small game checks compared to their multi-million dollar signing bonuses.

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats almost exactly what the owners are proposing

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

Failed reply to Falcon58

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by nmchief on Feb 22, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Anything other than a 16 game season

Is just unAmerican!

The NFL is the biggest sports in the universe right now. Why change it?

Being that I work for Coke, I think back to “New” Coke. Yeah exactly! If it is not broke don’t fix it!!

Fix the money not the game!

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by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 3:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

True

18 games is Canadian.

/pseudo CFL Fan

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by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

No

With todays X-rates, it would be 17.986 games

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by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

My bad.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the 2 added games

were basically a way for the owners to bring more value to the fans, who were complaining that pre-season ticket prices were too high for an inferior product.

I thought it was trying to protect existing revenue rather than be a revenue builder.

Am I all wet on this?

by grid_iron on Feb 22, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions  

LOL!

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what I thought at first.

Now I just see the 2 xtra games as a “straw man” the owners have put forth. I think they will fight for it; But, Then concede the extra games for other issues.

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by CatChief on Feb 22, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Is the proposal

for 2 additional games (leaving intact the 4 game preseason) or a conversion of 2 of the preseason games?

by grid_iron on Feb 22, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade off.

Two less fake games for two real ones.

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by CatChief on Feb 22, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd just as soon they go back to a 14 game schedule

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by upamtn on Feb 22, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Players should push for that.

Maybe compromise at, oh, I don’t know, 16 games?

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by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

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by LadyChief on Feb 22, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m trying to come up with ideas on an 18-game schedule that A.) works for the fans and B.) works for the players (player safety) and C.) for the owners (increasing revenue). Any ideas? I’m not sure that there are any realistic ideas out there that solve all those problems.

Well, if the best plan can only solve two of those three I can predict with absolute certainty which one will be left out.

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by PVChiefsfan on Feb 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

A.

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by craig in calgary on Feb 22, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't care which side "wins"...

But this fan thinks the current schedule is best for the game — and thus, for me.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree I like the current schedule too.

I just see the owners being called greedy for wanting 2 more real games instead of 2 fake games. I don’t see how this is a big revenue generator if the tickets to the fake games are already in the revenue mix because the season ticket holders have to buy the tickets to the fake games currently. And any additional revenue would be a part of the split, currently 60% going to the players.
Again I support leaving the schedule alone. I’m just trying to understand why people think this is issue is greed driven by the owners. I don’t see it.

by grid_iron on Feb 22, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

First, the players are only getting about 50% of the revenue.

The owners want to increase that substantially. They’re actually asking for about an 18% cut to the players, while adding two additional games.

Second, two more “real” games will increase TV revenue substantially, especially with the expected added bye week, resulting in a 20 week TV regular season schedule vs. the current 17 week schedule.

Third, anyone who thinks season ticket prices will remain the same when they drop the two preseason games, well, pick your bridge or swampland metaphor.

YAAAAAY! Now you go, lady!

by Tarkus on Feb 22, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I understand where youre coming from on most of this.

Where do you get the 18% cut for the players? $2B instead of $1B off the top?

by grid_iron on Feb 22, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You do realize

No one is going to take anything out of their pocket. The one year revenue increase next year will offset that extra $1B. ESPN rev increase is about $700-800K alone.

by grid_iron on Feb 22, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

How about this

Change nothing except the value of the last two preseason games outcomes. Include those games in the wild card playoff scenario. Change the current overall record that is used for playoff teams to include those playoff games. The Steelers/Colts/Patriots of the world would not care as much about those games as the Seahawks/Cardinals/Lions of the world would. It would add a dimension to those games that the struggling teams would want to take advantage of and the stronger teams would probably discount a bit. It would make those last two preseason games more interesting for the fans, add two games to the broadcast schedule and spice up the playoff picture near the end of the season, without the need to add playoff games. If Seattle had an edge on New Orleans because of those last 2 preseason games, then the better teams need to suck it up and play their best players come week 15-17 to ensure a playoff spot.

Let’s face it, all fans like the ‘parity’ that exists in today’s NFL because any team can make the playoffs any year. This would increase the likelihood of a dark horse making the playoffs and really wouldn’t bother the better teams too much in the grand scheme.

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by Aiken_Drum on Feb 22, 2011 7:55 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like it

and parity is great…it is parity that has made the NFL the most popular sport in the nation

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by PVChiefsfan on Feb 22, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see the 18 game season happening. I see the players giving up some revenue in exchange for keeping the game at 16.

 I see them agreeing on a rookie floor and cap; a salary floor and cap; more monies into long term health care and pensions; and an extra bye week to spread the regular season out over 18 weeks instead of 17 to increase TV revenues and decrease player concerns over injuries. I also can see them expanding the playoffs to include 7 teams per conference to increase the TV and ticket revenue pie there as well. Top seed is the only team that will get a bye. Wildcard weekend will include 2 games at 330pm and 700pm on both Saturday and Sunday and 1 game played in prime time on both Friday and Monday night at 800pm with the MNF winner a guaranteed slot to play in late game Sunday.
Divisional and Conference Championships games will be same as this year—330pm and 700pm both on Saturday and Sunday.
I think the other changes you will see could includes rules around IR, practice squad increases to 10, roster increase to 55 with 50 able to dress for the game.

by NFL season ticket holder on Feb 22, 2011 11:42 PM CST reply actions  

I like

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by dklogue1 on Feb 23, 2011 1:01 AM CST reply actions  

i say add to the playoffs

There are to many wack ass teams like seattle who granted beat the aints. But that so many teams had better records than they did and they got the playoff shot not right.

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