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Chiefs Expected To Bring Back 'Meat And Potatoes' Offense

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I remember when Todd Haley was first hired to the Kansas City Chiefs. He was coming from Arizona, where he had QB Kurt Warner, WR Larry Fitzgerald and WR Anquan Boldin, so the thinking was that Haley's going to come in and go pass-crazy because that's his background.

Well, more research showed that Haley was just working with what he had in Arizona. His real background is a more conservative offense. That's why this tidbit from Dan Pompei of National Football Post isn't a major surprise:

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Making Bill Muir the Chiefs' offensive coordinator made sense from this perspective: head coach Todd Haley wants to run a meat and potatoes offense. He believes the Chiefs' offensive personnel is best suited to play smash mouth football. In fact, I've been told that was one of the sources of conflict between Haley and Charlie Weis, the former offensive coordinator. Weis wanted to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense. Haley wanted to play it more conservatively.    

I think we saw a lot of this in year one of Haley's career in Kansas City, which is also the year he called plays. With more talent, and a better understanding of the system, that doesn't necessarily mean the Chiefs offense will resemble that 2009 group. 

If this is the way Haley wants to go, that's fine with me. In 2009, he didn't know he had the best running back in football on his team. This time around, we know that he does, so a conservative approach makes sense.

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by Masons on Feb 14, 2011 8:12 AM CST reply actions  

Great plan

We just need to get Parcells and Sims and convince the other 31 teams to play 80s style football.

Trapped in the past, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I think Cassel is similar to Sims

and an offense that can slowly but consistently move the chains is a successful offense no matter the decade.

Some time last year there was a post on AP showing the record of teams since the merger in games in which an offense had (I think) over 150 yards rushing and 150 yards passing. The winning percentage was VERY high.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Feb 14, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I've been saying the same thing, it's a good offensive system but to work

you gots to have some guys who block and some who can catch. Not guys who drop the ball every other time it’s thrown to them.

by dubld on Feb 14, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Craig I respectfully disagree

Simms is basically Cassel. There’s nothing wrong with playing old school football, you can win like that. In fact, if we aren’t like every other team, it makes us harder to deal with.

We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.

by Flowers24 on Feb 14, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunno if you noticed

but drops were a significantly smaller problem this year and Bowe led the league in TDs. We also tied with Houston for 12th in the league in least sacks given up by an OL and would have been the 3rd least if you didn’t include the 6 taken by Croyle/Palko.

Basically, I don’t think blocking or drops were problems for us this year.

Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...

by JHWK on Feb 14, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That's great craig. Rec

The only problem with this theory is the team itself is not built to be a smash mouth football team.

Smash Mouth Football teams don’t use slim lineman ZB schemes. Todd Haley is going to run a New England/Pittsburg/Arizona type offense.

His offense will be a variation of Smash Mouth, but we are going to see some fireworks IMO.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Smashmouth...

sounds good to me but we better add some beef to the O Line.

by nomads on Feb 14, 2011 8:20 AM CST reply actions  

Anthony Castonzo!

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Anthony Castonzo!

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I still haven't found what I'm looking for........

by LadyChief on Feb 14, 2011 8:28 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd and Happy Valentine's Day!

2011 Draft Needs:
OL (C/RT), NT, WR, SOLB, depth..........

Big things poppin next year!

by Hail2DaChiefs on Feb 14, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah but

I would rather see the spread in the offense I kinda knew there was a problem between the two but hey what can I say!! I just think It would of worked with a threat along side Dbowe!!

I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)

by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

the spread doesn't work in the NFL like it does in college

in college it’s predicated on your average WR/RB being more athletic than the defender covering him, something that happens regularly because good WRs and RBs are far easier to find than stellar DBs or LBs that can negate the inherent advantage an offense has (offense is doing while DBs have to react, giving WR/RBs a handicap of sorts). In the nfl though, mismatches are significantly harder to find and the ones there are tend to be separated by a much smaller gap meaning the spread doesn’t give you the same advantage it does in college.

We still need a WR2 unless Tucker bulks up a bit and turns into a legit threat rather than a one-trick pony that gets outmuscled by avg DBs. Sticking with a physical, hard-nosed style of run-first offense doesn’t mean we’ll never pass, it just means the run sets up the pass instead of vice versa and in a 50/50 toss-up, we’ll probably run rather than pass.

Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...

by JHWK on Feb 14, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see how our offense evolves next season.

But i’d almost rather have the flash from the shotgun and spread than a less versatile conservative system.
2010 was grand and fun but that doesnt necessarily mean that we can line up in a strong formation and consistently win the battle on every play. We just don’t yet have the skill or strength to play so conservative.

by KCJayhawk on Feb 14, 2011 8:33 AM CST reply actions  

It doesn't mean that we can't either

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

sry 4 double post

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It doesn't necessarily mean that we can't either

Who says we can’t win the battles? Remember, we’ll get better.

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah but

we’re not going to get anyway just running the same offense!! I mean, what happend to the game (San fran) when we ran that double reverse play and cassel threw it to bowe for a td? I thought that was one of the best plays of the season in the whole league We didnt see another play like that the rest of the season1 when we stoped doind that that’s when we recieved Our first lost I’m not saying that it was the reason for the melt down but… (just saying)

I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)

by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 14, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

That play was also one of the most risky plays

all season. It either wins big or busts hard and probably results in a TD for the D if they blow the play up. Gadget plays are fun to watch and they can be hugely successful but they tend to only work once or twice a season, any more than that and you may as well light a match in a gunpowder factory.

If our IND/HOU losses were in any way connected to not having as many trick-plays in the bag then we’re in deeeeep shit. Our offense needs to be able to score without using trick plays consistently before we start adding bits of flare and shiny whistles and smash-mouth, run-first football is the way we get there imo.

Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...

by JHWK on Feb 14, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying we can't

but i’m saying this is still a developing team. I do hope that we can run smashmouth football and be successful much akin to the Jets, but I dont believe we have the talent level of the Jets, yet.
That being said, I do believe that if this team is to win a Championship it will have to be won the smashmouth way.

by KCJayhawk on Feb 14, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

you dont think

we have the equal amount of talent on offense or defense? I have to disagree with you if that’s what your saying because I believe Bowe had more td’s and yards than both edwards and holmes maybe not but we did it with a tight end and a reciever I think our offense is as good as their’s if not better but now defense we have alittle work to do!

I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)

by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

now this goes

back to our offense I think were 1WR and OT, C away from being legit!!

I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)

by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 14, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

The only thing their offense is missing is a great QB, and they have a decent one.

There’s just something about the way their lineman control the line of scrimmage that sets them apart from us. I, too, hate the Jets. But when thinking smashmouth, no other team comes to mind before the Jets.

by KCJayhawk on Feb 14, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

part of that is the result

of starting an OL almost entirely composed of blue chip players and then keeping that lineup healthy so they get into a rhythm with each other. We’re playing with a 1st rounder, a couple mid-rounders and two old All-Pro’s in the twilight of their careers, I’d say we’re doing well with what we’ve got and plugging a blue chip C in behind Weigs would be plenty for 2011’s OL upgrades. Let Richardson and O’Cal continue duking it out at RT and see if either finally turns into a good starter, if not we can address that between 2011 and ’12. Asamoah is a very good backup G that is learning from Waters and will eventually be a good replacement for him imo.

Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...

by JHWK on Feb 14, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Development is a constant

Fuck the Jets! We’re more smashmouth than those assholes.

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

wow

chill on the coffee homie I said we’re probably as equal or better than the jets on offense!!

I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)

by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 14, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I despise the Jets homeslice

What can I say?

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

I got chu man!!

I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)

by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Development is a constant

but it’s not constantly positive. There’s negative development too and you have to allow for a few guys not living up to the hype or being able to perform at the level we’re looking for. We now have a team that can win some games, so the goal isnt to make each position serviceable. The goal is now to make it so each position is filled with championship caliber talent. That takes time and mistake will happen.

by KCJayhawk on Feb 14, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Cassel actually looks better running a spread no huddle type offense in the

preseason last year and I expected to see more of it. Now the rumours are surfacing about the rift with the haley/weis combo over that very same issue.

by dubld on Feb 14, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fine

But why draft a guy like Dexter McCluster? He is the polar opposite of smash mouth football.

We have enough weapons to take a more balanced approach. We are a great running team but we also have the personell with McCluster to get a little fancy at times. Bowe and Cassel have created an on field relationship and that is another weapon.

I don’t see us being that conservative…atleast I hope not. I don’t want to see Charles and Jones run every down right in the gut and then try a pass on 3rd and 9 every time we have the ball. Seen enough of that with LJ!

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Feb 14, 2011 8:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

+1

I agree with you 100% that’s probably why we didnt see alot of dex last year or maybe he “wasnt” the same after the injury but me I didnt see no difference in his play from when he was perfectly fine I just think it had something to do with “if it works than just go with it” play!

I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)

by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, just throwing this out there but

Jamaal is more effective out of the shotgun. Running a draw out of the shotty with Charles is borderline cheating, when the LB’s freeze thinking pass, and then suddenly Jamaal has the rock and shoots past them…its a thing of beauty.

by KCJayhawk on Feb 14, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya. JC is scary out of Draws and Play Action for sure.

But just like all offenses. Balance is important. The better your Passing Threat the better will be your ground game off Play Action and Draws.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Feb 14, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we can have Dex on the field while still maintaining a more smash-mouth base offense

We’d just need to be running more out of the various Ace formations, so we can still have our slot WR (dex) on the field alongside our shiny new awesome TE (moeaki) at the expense of fielding a FB most of the time.

Since we have the versatility in Moeaki to slide him around from TE to H Back / quasi-FB to block, it keeps a lot of things open. I think we can get the best of both worlds with personnel like that. But we’ll still need another legitimate WR threat beside Bowe to really make it work.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Feb 14, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

I guess ‘ol TJ/JC weren’t as bad as some around here think. EP, it’s a wonderful thing.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Feb 14, 2011 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

If you find one person on here who thinks JC was bad

I’ll do an entire post on how awesome Thomas Jones is.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Just referring to the combo

I don’t want to be responsible for extra work for a law student, that would be inhuman!

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Feb 14, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha! :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Um...

Why are you putting any stock into this?

Since when is Dan Pompei known for his Chiefs scoops? When has anyone ever made that claim about Weis and Haley before?

Why, just to raise one of several questions, would such a high draft pick have been used on a guy like McCluster if any of this was true?

Seems like a story that should be met with a lot more skepticism than is being shown here.

by SlipperyPete on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 AM CST reply actions  

I still haven't found what I'm looking for........

by LadyChief on Feb 14, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Who in the league now is conservative?

He’ll, who in the league is balaned? I figured we were already offensively well balanced last season. What will change?

We know Charles carries SHOULD increase! But how conservative is that? We want Cassel to stretch the field, but stretch it conservatively?

The way I see it our team won’t be conservative, it will be aggressively balanced

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I think you touched on the biggest questionmark stemming from this that hasnt been addressed:

Cassel. He was fantastic out of the shotty in NE, and has shown greater poise for us in shotgun situations. So the question becomes, can Cassel effectively execute a championship caliber offense that isnt taylor fit to his skill set?

by KCJayhawk on Feb 14, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Holy Crap Batman

We got the wrong QB for our scheme. Semms maybe Pioli and Haley weren’t on the same page that day back in 2009 :( Maybe all of our coordinators not name Haley saw what Cassel was good at?

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Meat and potatoes is good.

Seriously, I agree with Chiefs_swagger. We are not going to move away from running the ball or run the ball exclusively. The offense will be very well balanced with a slight influence towards meat and potatoes.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Feb 14, 2011 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

If you have the horses to

play smash-mouth, why not? That is damned hard to beat if the other team is expecting you to play smash-mouth, game plans for smash-mouth, and then you go ahead and run it down their throats anyway.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Feb 14, 2011 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

Meat IS murder

Conservatism isn’t a crime.

and sweet potatoes aren’t just for Thanksgiving anymore.

Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012

by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 14, 2011 9:25 AM CST reply actions  

Smashmouth is what we are

It’s the makeup of KC run maybe a bootleg or pass in the flat, maybe.a lil play action pass but it’s starts with hardnose smashmouth running. And we need a new OT C and dare I say G (waters is old) to be able to to that. Not to mention a new WR threat and a new big bodied RB. JC can’t get more than 5-10 more carries per game he will breakdown waay to fast.

We need BEEF; This is my mock prediction 2011

1. Houston LB - Georgia
2. Moffit G - Wisconsin
3. Powe NT - Ol' Miss
4. O'Dowd C - USC
5. Carter S - Oklahoma
6. V. Brown WR - San Diego State
7. Taua RB - Nevada

by Mas Cervezas on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

C and WR I agree with

RB: Battle is 235lbs (iirc) and has plenty of talent, just needs to stay healthy and continue to grow into the NFL.

G: Asamoah was a quality backup as a rookie and should be capable of stepping in if Waters goes down and could be a very solid replacement once Waters retires. He’s got the luxury of learning behind one of the best active Gs in the league with one of the more highly-regarded OL coaches in Muir so he should continue developing for another several years at least.

C: Niswanger sucks (maybe move him to backup at G? Height and long arms fit the position better) and Wieggy is getting old. Definitely need a replacement here.

WR: Chambers can’t decide if he wants to show up to play or not and Tucker is too small to be a true WR2 opposite Bowe. DMC is better in the slot if he’s out wide and there’s not really anybody else on the roster capable of taking over the WR2 position. Definitely need to bring somebody in to take heat off Bowe and help open the slot/run-game.

OT: Albert’s locked at LT. As far as O’Cal and B.Rich, I’m not sold on either as a long-term solution yet. That said, I think RT can wait til 2012 to be upgraded or someone can be found in FA to push the young guys. Both are serviceable and are hitting their 3rd season in the league which is the make/break point imo. If they continue to develop this offseason they could turn into solid starters but as of now, they’re good enough placeholders.

Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...

by JHWK on Feb 14, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think D Pompei was seeing smoke where there was none.

IMO your splitting hairs when you try to make a big deal out of Offensive differences between a running team and a passing team. When you look closer they both do pretty much the same thing. Compare KC in 2010 with Green Bay.

Green Bay finished 10-6; (388 pts scored, 240 pts allowed) it was a Passing team:
56% passes for 4124 yds.
44% runs for 1606 yds.

Chiefs finished 10-6; (366 pts scored,326 allowed) WE were a running team:
46% passes for 2968 yds.
54% runs for 2627 yds.

Green Bay had same regular season record, scored only 1.3 more points /game and only had 8.4 more yds per game. The biggest difference between offenses was that they had 4 dependable WRs to spread ball around to. (Driver, Jennings, Nelson and Jones)

If your gonna find a difference between the Chiefs and a Super Bowl Winner your not gonna find it on Offense. Look to the other side of the Line O Scrimmage.

The 5.4 ppg iis more likely to define the difference between where we are and where we want to go.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Nice

I would like to see this in a fanpost. The difference between us and the SB winners.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Feb 14, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

We need a smash mouth defense more then we need to tinker with the offense.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Feb 14, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I think "smashmouth" is more of a mind set.....

…..I’m sure it will be some sort of a hybrid type offense. “The KC Offense” is what it will be called. : )

Introducing: "The POWE Sandwich" *trademark pending;
#1 OT Gabe Carimi (Wisconsin)
#2 NT Jerrel "POWE" (Ole' Miss)
#3 G/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin)

by Masons on Feb 14, 2011 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

We started going there this year--I think it steps up a notch in '11.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Feb 14, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Did Haley watch the same Superbowl as me?

I love a good running game as much as the next guy, but lining up and playing “smash mouth” offense isn’t the way you beat these top tier defenses. Green Bay spread out Pittsburgh and ran just enough to make the respect it.

I know obviously we aren’t built like Green Bay, but we also aren’t built like the 72 Dolphins either. IMO when we tried to get smashmouth ans run Two Yard Thomas up Weigmans ass, is when out offense was at its worst. Not to mention our best skill position players on offense seem to have speed as their best attribute, not toughness. Want to see Charles and McCluster hurt even more, keep running them between the tackles.

Trapped in the past, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Feb 14, 2011 10:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Agree on DMc and JC

The smashmouth piece missing is a tough new younger hard nosed back and upgrade on oline

We need BEEF; This is my mock prediction 2011

1. Houston LB - Georgia
2. Moffit G - Wisconsin
3. Powe NT - Ol' Miss
4. O'Dowd C - USC
5. Carter S - Oklahoma
6. V. Brown WR - San Diego State
7. Taua RB - Nevada

by Mas Cervezas on Feb 14, 2011 10:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i think we're gonna see a lot more Jackie Battle

And we’re also gonna find Jones’ replacement very soon to take those inside runs and keep Jamaal doing what he’s doing.

and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!

by reedeasy on Feb 14, 2011 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Admit it Craig: This offense needs more toughness.

It’s a process, but we’re getting there day by day. We’ll have a good Erhardt-Perkins system someday, but it isn’t right now. We’re going to put the pads on and keep working.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Feb 14, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Boring ball!!!!

This kind of offense can win you some games if you are ahead but when you are down by two touchdowns ,this kind of offense will not work. The vertical offense run by The Charger’s Norv Turner and now the Raiders will be very effective. This team went 2-4 in the division and was sniffed out of the playoffs and sent home early because of this philosophy. In today’s league you have to be able to pass the ball deep,and get chunks instead of inches. I know I cannot predict the outcome of where they may be come next year ,but I can say that this kind of offense can win you some games but come playoff time without a great defense for support this will not work. You cannot have a bend but don’t break kind of defense with this kind of offense. And you have to have a great quarterback as well not saying Matt was terrible but when we got behind he threw a lot INTS against the Raiders,and Ravens because we had to play from behind.This could be a major failure for Todd Haley if he does not get with the times and have a well balanced passing game with CHUNKS!!!!!!!!!! not inches……..

by kcvess on Feb 14, 2011 10:59 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

No more watching " any given Sunday" for you my friend

…. I kid… I kid…..

We need BEEF; This is my mock prediction 2011

1. Houston LB - Georgia
2. Moffit G - Wisconsin
3. Powe NT - Ol' Miss
4. O'Dowd C - USC
5. Carter S - Oklahoma
6. V. Brown WR - San Diego State
7. Taua RB - Nevada

by Mas Cervezas on Feb 14, 2011 11:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I seem to recall the phrase "offense in chunks" being one of Haley's go-to points at the end of '09/beginning of offseason 2010...

I highly doubt he’s going to go all 2001 Baltimore Ravens on us. I think we’ll see a balanced attack, with an even mix of runs and passes. The last thing an offensive coach wants to see is his 11 on the sideline and the defense sucking wind for an entire half.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Feb 14, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Meat and Potatoes is my favorite meal!

But it doesn’t mean you can’t add some gravy on top of that. Opposing defenses will stack the box and double Bowe, so the only way to counter that is adding more playmakers to the WR corps, which is what Dex was supposed to be. Will he be? Yet to be seen. Cassel has to be a threat to pass the ball to others besides Bowe if we don’t want to see stacked fronts that ruin our meal

It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?

by FalconMF27 on Feb 14, 2011 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Look at the playoff teams who ran a meat and taters style of offense

more of them than pure passing offenses. Balance is a good thin offensively, but you need the pieces. If you do only one thing well the other team can game plan you down the drain.

by dubld on Feb 14, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

Weigmann, Lilja, Charles

Glad they are including the taters, cause there’s not much meat there.

Smash mouth Football…….Welcome back Martyball !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by grid_iron on Feb 14, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

Our offense was very good this year with a rookie TE and one WR

We’ll be even better as these guys mature and we add pieces. We were a top 10 scoring offense this season, and I personally love the smashmouth style. Just because the rest of the league is pass happy doesn’t mean we have to be.

We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.

by Flowers24 on Feb 14, 2011 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

Boring ball2

To the people that accept Boring ball let me say this we already been there under Marty and where did this offense get us ,Yes some playoff appearances but an early exit in the playoffs . Look I am not looking for a pass happy offense but I certainly do not feel good about RUN,RUN,RUN,PASS, and PUNT. Martyball did not work here to get us a championship where is the rings under Martyball . The Pats won by a spread and vertical passing game they have championships. The Steelers won recently by having a mix of spread and ball control. The Packers won by having a spread offense with no running game and look what happened. All I am saying is that you have to pass on first down sometimes instead of keep playing run in between the tackles. Jamal Charles cannot take that kind of punishment running the ball 30 times a game and it will put a lot of pressure on your D if they are on the field too long . Again this rerun did not work in the early nineties and it will not work again . Just a opinion you do not win a lot of playoff games playing conservative.

by kcvess on Feb 14, 2011 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

So what?

Oh no. Martyball. That won’t work because it didn’t work before. God help us all being subjected to another season of great football knowing that we might not win the Superbowl because it didn’t work in the 90s.

Screw that. Let’s write it off and go with that thing where the oline gets blown up every play and the QB rushes for yardage or throws super deep. That works every time and we definitely have the personnel for it.

by NotAGoodName on Feb 14, 2011 2:55 PM CST reply actions  

Nah

It was more a reference to that school yard stuff the Eagles do that everyone loves so much. Run up the middle for no gain, scramble on a blown up play, then hail mary for TD. Really exciting stuff.

And when I say exciting, I mean I’d rather watch baseball.

by NotAGoodName on Feb 14, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

As Long as jamaal is Our Feature Back, we won't ba a "Meat and Potatoes" Offense

We’ll be the exact opposite, because Jamaal can’t be a smash mouth, inside runner. The article is BS, because we’re going the exact opposite way with guys like Jamaal, DMC. Ideally we’ll continue to be a well balanced team, but the spread and wide open offense is both conducive to our personnel, and our Head Coach, and especially to our best offensive player in Jamaal.

by dablueguy on Feb 14, 2011 3:32 PM CST reply actions  

I thought Haley

hated the spread and thats why he fired Gailey. I’’m really curious to see how Haley handles the play calling next year with the personnel we have. I’m afraid he may try to shove the proverbial square peg in the round hole.

Agree with all your other comments though…………………

by grid_iron on Feb 14, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Well..

If this is the case we need another back that can actually last down the stretch with Charles, Jones showed he wont be there come late season/playoff time. And what does this mean for Dex? We should deff target a big runningback later on if were going to do this. And it wouldnt hurt to add some bigger o-line bodies.

by drew.bouchard on Feb 14, 2011 6:21 PM CST reply actions  

What??? They do not have a team that can play meat and potatoes offense.

Charles is too small. The OL is too small. The QB is only a knotch above average and hasn’t shown he can carry the offense when the chips are down. if they think they can play meat and potatoes offense they will be 5-11 next year at best.
They have to learn how to spread their offense when defenses put 8-9 in the box and attack that.
The OL was serviceable last year but against physical teams they got their ass handed to them. They won last year by spreading out defenses with shifts and motion.

by NFL season ticket holder on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

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