The Ultimate Question For The Kansas City Chiefs
by Flowers24 on Dec 9, 2011 9:03 AM CST
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PrintIt's no secret the Kansas City defense has been lights out the last few weeks. They seem to have most of the pieces in place (especially with the emergence of Justin Houston) to be dominant in the future. Factor Eric Berry coming back next season and the horses may finally be out of the barn.
Looking forward, there's one massive, looming issue:
Who's the quarterback of the future for the Chiefs?
I can't say with absolute conviction that Matt Cassel couldn't be the starting quarterback on a Super Bowl champion. However, I can muse that he will never be the reason his team reaches the promise land. Cassel is a great person by all accounts and tough as nails but the skill set just isn't there. He won't lose you a game, but he'll never win you one either.
Ask yourself the following question: Kansas City is in the playoffs next year (reasonably healthy) and facing Baltimore. The Ravens shut down Charles by stacking eight in the box and roll coverage towards Bowe. Do you have any faith Cassel will dissect them and get the win?
If you have to think about it, then the Chiefs need a new signal caller.
The upcoming draft has the potential to be quarterback laden. If the top four QB prospects come out (Luck, Jones, Barkley and Griffin III) this is a great opportunity for Kansas City to make a franchise altering move.
The Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in the first round since 1983. In a related note, they took Todd Blackledge which might explain why they've been terrified to go for broke again. That history needs to be thrown completely out the window.
Does Kansas City have other needs? Absolutely. It can use an inside linebacker to compliment Derrick Johnson and most certainly would like to have a right tackle to replace the swinging door known as Barry Richardson. However, if you replace those positions the team gets better but not elite. If you insert a really good to great quarterback, this team could win a Super Bowl.
There are no doubt many risks drafting a QB so high. The new rookie wage scale helps a lot but still the obstacles remain. Growing pains are almost certain to come with a young QB, just ask the Jets.
I still believe the time is now to draft one of these kids and go for the ring. The NFL passing rules are much different then they were 20 years ago. Rookie quarterbacks have shown that they can come in and light it up right away (Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, etc) and the Chiefs are built to deal with some growing pains.
The defense is excellent and if Jamaal Charles comes back at full strength the team can rely on an exceptional rushing attack. Not to mention the kid would have two huge targets in Bowe (provided he's re-signed) and Baldwin to go along with Breaston and Moeaki.
If I had my choice I'd like to see Kansas City draft Matt Barkley. Judging from the looks of records around the league the Chiefs will draft somewhere between slots 9-15. I don't know if Barkley will be there when they draft but Griffin III probably will. I'm not that high on Landry Jones because I question his decision-making ability, but he also might be available.
I would hate to see Kansas City draft a QB if they aren't completely sold on him, but if they are the time is right now. This team has immense talent and the nucleus is locked in for years. Hopefully the Chiefs brass doesn't wait until too much time has passed them by.
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I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
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He should probably be in the poll though. I would have to say I am about 50/50 on him though.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Dec 9, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
don't knock it until you drive it
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by Chiefshero on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Coming from Denver, would he be Donkeyborn?
Not sure I’ve seen him shout with any degree of effectiveness though.
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The things we hear out of Pioli and Haley’s mouth in every interview says that
Robert Griffin III
Will be our next QB!!!
Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3, Luck, Jones, or Barkley.
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The kid who threw a temper tantrum after the OSU game this year?
Making excuses, whining, failing to give any credit whatsoever to the team that’d just beat them by 35 points or so … ? No thanks.
Oh thats great! Pretty much the same situation as Baldwin last year
1 comment gave him the ’’Diva’’ tag, and he was there for us
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I havn't seen that out of him at all
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, because frustrated comment over an entire collegiate career
definitely is what defines a dude.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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That works for me
Give me a guy with superstar talent on the field who vents (once in a blue moon) every single day of the week and twice on Sundays!!!
I believe in the Chiefs' Way. Someday, we will set the standard for how to be a championship team!
Sounds like you're an OSU fan...
Never heard this knock on him before. He’s definitely not a Rivers.
It has nothing to do with his attitude.
I just don’t see it because he’s not a prototypical pocket passer. I can’t see Pioli and Haley going that route. But that’s just my two cents.
Because Pioli had Drew and then because Brady worked out
Pioli only wants a prototypical pocket passer? Makes sense.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
And because Pioli drafted Cassel, and brought him over here to be the guy
and drafted Stanzi, and because that kind if QB is the only type that’s ever been the guy in KC.
It would be out of the ordinary for KC to get RG3, yes.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 10, 2011 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Quarterback Need
I absolutely agree with Flowers24. In fact, QB may be the position that holds the Chiefs back from serious contention for the playoffs and a championship.
Now is absolutely the time to grab a QB in the draft. Scott Pioli: pick your QB, and GO GET HIM. And yes, I mean the 2013 1st rounder if you have to. The Chiefs are very, very close. But they’re very, very far away without the franchise QB.
Fifteen of the last twenty SB winning QB’s were first-rounders. Middle to late-round gems are far more rare than they might seem. And as all Chiefs fans know, there’s only ONE Tom Brady. There are a whole lot of Cassel-esque also-rans.
Grab your guy in the draft, Pioli. Do what it takes. Grab him.
And of the five remaining three are Tom Brady
To quintessential outlier.
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by Scaryclouds on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If there aren't any QB's available
Draft the best OT and see what Cassel/Stanzi can do with some decent protection
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Orton/Stanzi.
Cassel would look awesome backing up Eli Manning…and a third rounder, or a fourth and a player, would look awesome here.
Sorry…I just don’t see Cassel taking us past the first or second round, I just don’t. What a leader, good human being, good athlete…not a QB. Not and NFL, starting-level QB at all.
Is Orton? Not really…but at least he makes his reads and gets the ball downfield, right?
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by go_saleaumua on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
There are no doubt many risks drafting a QB so high.
I really hate it when people say this. Of course there is risk taking a high QB, but the risk in hoping to find one other places is a lot higher. Even if you say the odds of a high pick QB working out is 30% (I would argue it is higher) it is still much better than hitting the lottery in the late rounds.
For every Aaron Rodgers or Philip Rivers there might be a Jamarcus Russel or Ryan Leaf, but for every Tom Brady there is probably 40 Spergon Wynn`s.
The best chance you have at finding a ``franchise QB`is to draft one high (first round or two). Banking on finding one later in the draft is crap shoot.
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by saskwatch on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
New York Times did a piece on percentage of early QBs working out
I’ll try to find the link to it, but I think by their metric just under 50% of 1st round QBs work out.
Found it.
I was almost right. The Times evaluated QBs taken in the top 12 picks since 1995: the bust rate was exactly 50%
Article lives: here.
I'll take that gamble, because right now I'm 100% sure Cassel is not the answer
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by The Gentry on Dec 9, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The real question is,
if you NEED a quarterback, what are your chances for success drafting one AFTER the top 12 picks. I have to imagine that the success rate drops off sharply. So, the big picture is—where are you most likely to have success in drafting a QB?
I believe in the Chiefs' Way. Someday, we will set the standard for how to be a championship team!
I think alot of time that number is junk though
Look at someone like Brady Quinn. I still think he’s a solid NFL caliber QB. He has just never been put in a situation where he can succeed. Drafted by a shitty browns team then traded to a shitty broncos team. Even Rodgers would suck in those scenarios. Put him on the Ravens and he’s a superstar.
Alot of these “busts” I think could play, they just got blasted before getting out of the gate a la David Carr.
Quinn wasn't drafted in the top 12 though
The Browns took Joe Thomas (the tackle) with their top pick.
They later traded their 2nd rounder and the next years 1st rounder to Dallas to get back into the 22nd spot in the first round, where they took Quinn.
Incidentally, that year’s number 1 overall pick was QB Jamarcus Russell to the Raiders.
On an unrelated note: I have no faith in Brady Quinn ever making it in the NFL.. even if her were the QB of the Packers, Steelers, Ravens, etc.. I just don’t think he’s very good at the NFL level. While Romeo Crennel was the head coach in Cleveland the Browns went back and forth between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn, and Anderson looked like the better QB every time they swapped the 2 guys around, and it wasn’t close. Charlie Frye was better than BOTH of them. I have a hard time believing in a QB that can’t beat out Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Crushed...
I voted for Manning because I actually believe that is a more realistic situation than getting RG3.
Teams that will be ahead of us that need a QB. Colts, Redskins, Dolphins – maybe Browns, maybe Jags.
I just dont’ see RG3 there when we are drafting.
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Sad truth
RG3 would be so exciting to watch at Arrowhead
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Agree with all but Miami.
I am married to a ’PhinsPhan. Most of the chatter I have seen says they like where Matt Moore is going.
by KCFanInJoplin on Dec 9, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Well that's good news for us.
I just don’t know how much I buy into that… but I guess your spouse would know more than me if they are a big time Dolphins fan.
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I'm hearing the same thing about Miami
A lot of people seem happy with what they’re seeing, and Moore has shown that with him in the pocket, there are a lot of other areas that are bigger holes.
As for the Jags, Gabbert has looked crappy, but he’s a rookie. To draft a QB with the 1st round pick would be to admit defeat. And they just extended their GM, so I don’t think he’ll say that he drafted poorly last year.
So Indy, Redskins and maybe Browns. But what about Arizona or maybe even San Diego considering a QB? They both should be picking before us.
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True
Thus us what I have thought. I’d like to think we would move up to get him but I don’t know that Pioli would move up. If so, this is the year to do it, with the prospects & rookie wage scale. Plus I could see us trading pieces we have like Dorsey and Gilberry which could net us more picks.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good point on Dorsey/Gilberry
The Colts need defensive help and their two best DE’s are on their way out (or at least one of them). I think the Chiefs could bundle Dorsey into a trade deal for Manning.
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I still prefer RGIII
To Manning, but only because we have never drafted a franchise guy. We’ve tried to get our guy via free agency but never had our own and thus we are playoff starved. Now, Manning is still a great QB and if the team did pull the trigger on him and he can develop Stanzi, well, can’t really argue with that move.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't see Manning being healthy enough to play.
Nerve damage isn’t anything to screw around with…he went overseas for stem-cell treatment, didn’t he? That’s some major shiznit there.
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by go_saleaumua on Dec 9, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can I vote for two?
Draft RG3 and Trade for Manning! With the new Rookie wage slotting system it’s not horrible to draft a first round pick and and let him develop, especially if it’s behind Peyton Manning for two years! I would eat that cap space every time for a deal like that!
Because that wouldn't help the Chiefs.
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by chiefsandcigars on Dec 9, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not the point i'm making
I’m saying if it’s so easy to have Manning on your roster and a 1st round QBOTF, why would they even entertain trading him?
I understand your point
but solid logic rarely survives unridiculed on AP…so I had to keep up the tradition
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I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Dec 9, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Here's your answer
The Colts drafting Luck would be seen by Manning as an affront to his ability to lead the team, and recover from the injury. I agree, it would be in the Colts best interests to keep Manning and let Luck learn under him, but I believe if the Colts draft Luck Manning will want to be traded. But, if Manning is brought into a situation where upfront he knows it’s his team but we are hedging our bets by drafting a young QB to “develop” not to replace him. It has a different tone to it. really it’s semantics, but it will make a difference how the people involved perceive the situation.
Now to I honestly believe that the Chiefs will draft RG3, let alone trade for Manning… NO, of course not. Pioli has a mancrush on Cassel for some reason, but I can hope
by Stone Throwers on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Luck's Dad
Didn’t Luck’s dad say he didn’t want Andrew on the same team as Peyton Manning? Sort of Eli Manning-esque.
Archie Manning said that he doesn't see Manning and Luck on the same team
They would both want to start, not sit
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Good article, except...
…can use an inside linebacker to compliment Derrick Johnson…
Disagree. I think we’re set at ILB with Johnson, Belcher, Siler & Williams. As others have pondered, I don’t understand why Belcher doesn’t get the love. He is a perfect compliment to DJ at the ILB position.
Now that I’ve completed that rant. Agree with the QB, Cassel is not the answer. Voted & would love to get Manning in here, but I just don’t see Indy letting him go (color me skeptical). With Manning next year, I can see us competing for a Super Bowl.
by Chief_Elmo on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
disagree
The Chiefs have been lacking that gold plated run stuffer of an ILB/MLB since Gunthar Cunningham coached the team. Every single year we stick some stop gap of a player in there and say he’s ‘good enough’ and that other positions are of much higher need.
We need an ILB that can stuff the run and shoot the gaps to stand next to DJ (who’s good in coverage and has great ball skills). A dominate NT, and a dominate run stuffing ILB would complete our defense. Assuming we resign Carr, we’ve got 2 good corners, Berry and Lewis are looking good at safety (and we have depth), DJ, Houston, and Hali are shaping up to be a nice LB core… we’re in wait and see mode on out young NT…. but the hole is Belcher/WIlliams’s position.
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Except DWill is a WILB not SILB
That would be Belcher/Siler, and in case you havn’t noticed with Gregg at NT(aka an actual decent NT for the first time) Belcher has been playing well at attacking the LOS/RB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
I've noticed Belcher playing decently
Far from well.
We need a run stuffer in the middle of the field to allow DJ to play coverage on the inside slants and pick off more footballs. Of course Berry returning might change things some.. but I still say Belcher is no better than average.
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Belcher has been fine attacking the LOS
Dropping in coverage is completely different, no need to spend a 1st on a SILB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
and that's why we disagree.
I spend a 1st on a run stuffing LB before I spent a first on a RT, SS, RB, WR, or TE
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That makes no sense IMO
There are plenty of vet LB FAs to be had for a decent price, let alone with our scheme the SILB is usually used to attack, you can find those anywhere in the draft
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
and yet all these years of saying that
…and we still don’t have one.
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We have went after several FA LBs
Also filling in other holes
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
and yet after all these years...
we still don’t have one.
We’re never going to agree on this.
The Chiefs need that elite run stuffer of an ILB/MLB.
They need that guy that dominates the middle run and blows up the gaps and forces other teams to become one dimensional.
Defense > Offense every day of the week…. and I want to see our Urlacher, Butkus, Lewis, Lanier, Lambert, Bell, Ham, Hendricks, Singletary, Nitshke etc…
It’s the position on the defense that I equate to the same importance as the QB is to the offense.
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I do not agree we need an elite run stuffer
Would it be nice? Yes but I would rather have a multidimensional LB like Hightower next to DJ who can do some of everything
A better NT would solve most problems though, look at Belcher/DJ with Edwards, then with Gregg and notice the huge jump in play
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
as I said, we are never going to agree on this. Never...Ever...Ever
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Defense no longer > Offense in today's NFL
And elite run stuffers are not nearly as important in a pass happy league
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Defense > Offense even MORE in today's NFL
The fact that offense has changed to a system that uses more passing than it ever has before..has absolutely ZERO effect on the importance of defense.
The defense has to play differently, for sure.. but it’s no less important.
Because there has to even more focus on protections in the passing game ILB/MLB run stuffers are left ALONE more often than not to plug the run, while more players (safties and LB’s) are dropped back into coverage (especially over the middle).
The player tasked with stopping the run up the middle is even more important than ever now that other defenders are out in coverage and leaving a bigger gap for the center run.
Defense has CHANGED for sure… but it hasn’t become less important in ANY way. Fantasy Football has changed the fans PERSPECTIVE because they think points > All.
But at the end of the day the team that can stop you from scoring is the one you can’t beat.
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So because the NFL has changed to a pass first offense
A run stuffing ILB is MORE Important? Can not follow that logic
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
obviously you didnt read what I wrote then
When you leave the run stopping duties to one guy in the middle while you play more coverage… you count on that one guy to stop the run like you’ve never done in the past.
That one guy has got to be the lynch pin to run stopping on your team with very little front line help.
That guy has got to be GREAT at his job, not just ‘good enough’… and all we’ve had for 10+ years is serviceable. I’d LOVE to have elite, I’d settle for great, We’ve absolutly GOT to have good, and we have ‘good enough’.
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Obviously you did not understand that pure run stuffers are going AWAY in the NFL
With all of the passing, a pure run stuffer is going to be picked on in coverage/play action plays like Belcher, pure run stuffing Dline can not get pressure and leaves holes when you have to blitz to bring pressure, more wide open sets takes that ‘’elite run stuffer’’ OFF the field
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
a run stuffer IS a blitzer
Did you ever play football in a 3-4 scheme or 4-3 scheme?
Do you have a strong handle on the X’s and O’s?
In a 3-4 scheme you have 2 MLB.. One of them is typically a guy with great ball skills and good coverage skills. He reads the QB, hides behind the line and moves into a position to make a play on the ball. If it’s an obvious run, he picks a gap and shoots it.
The other ILB is a guy with great power at the point of attack. He reads the gap control, and lays the wood to the back coming through the hole, and on obvious passing downs he takes the opposite A gap of the double team eating NT and blitzes to cause havoc in the backfield. You’re run stuffing ILB in a 3-4 IS your middle blitzer in the 3-4.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that in a pass happy league there is LESS value to a player that hits like a complete BEAST at the point of attack and crushes the middle of the pocket on passing downs?
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Yes I am saying that
Especially for how we have used SILB/sub packages
We put out 1 gap Dlinemen/best pass rushers, the SILB unless he is animal of a pass rusher(which would likely be an OLB to most teams) would be taken off
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
and did you ever think that the REASON we do that...
is because we seriously LACK in the ILB position next to DJ?
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You are basically wanting a 3-4 SOLB playing SILB
Which I can understand, I want STude to get a chance at SILB, however I do not want a liability in coverage at SILB like Belcher
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
No, that's not what I want at all.
Not even close.
We aren’t even in the same universe.
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You are wanting a guy to crash the line/blitz tid bit of coverage
SOLB in our system
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree with this
Belcher gradesmout as the 13th best ILB/MLB in the league, taking into account his poor pass coverage skills. Prototypical Thumpers, guys like Brandon Spikes, Bart Scott, James Farrior, are big guys who usually come off the field in obvious passing situations. In the chiefs nickel they have 4 down lineman Hali, Bailey, Gilberry, and Houston. Johnson and McGraw at LB, next year Lewis and Berry at Safety, Arenas as your slot guy, and the Brandons at CB. McGraw is a better cover guy than almost any Thumper you could draft. ILB is not a position of need. Dominant NT, QB, and RT are our biggest needs. This is assuming that Hudson takes over at Center next year
Where do guys like Patrick Willis & Ray Lewis fall?
because that’s the type of player I would like to have at SILB.
I’d agree that ILB isn’t the greatest need on the team, but it is a significant need, probably one of the top 3 or 4. Obviously QB & RT are very pressing needs, but I don’t think it’s a reach to say that ILB would be #3. Would you be comfortable with Williams & Belcher as our ILBs if DJ went down like Berry early next year? It would be devastating.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
They are not pure run stuffers though
They are all around LBs which is what I said I wanted over a ’’elite’’ run stuffer
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
they ARE pure run stuffers
That’s exactly the point.
Their strengths are in reading the play, crushing the runner at the point of attack, shooting gaps as a blitzer on pass plays…and making big nasty hits.
Look, nothing is Black and White… even a run stuffer has to play coverage sometimes… especially in a zone blitz scheme. You drop guys out to keep the offense guessing. But those guys ARE pure run stuffers.
It’s a 3-4 defense… every LB on the field has to have a bigger tool box of skills, but those guys were added to the team because of their run stuffing and pressure creating abilities. They are sometimes asked to do other things (just like any other player on the field), but their bread and butter is as a run stuffer.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Yeah Ok go over to the 49ers and Ravens and ask if
Lewis/Willis are PURE run stuffers, listen to what they say
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
they will say yes.
These guys are charged with the task of stuffing the run in the middle of the field and causing havoc on passing downs.
Now, depending on the play or the scheme, or the match up they MAY have to do other things.. but the REASON they were put in the position they are in is BECAUSE of their abilites to stuff the run and cause havoc in the pocket. And the biggest strengths are doing just that.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I think everyone actaully agrees
We want an athletic, versatile player at SILB, but who is at his best at the LOS…whereas DJ is also versatile, but he’s at his best in coverage.
Am I right?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
other wise known as a run stuffer and a ball hawk
lining up next to each other at ILB.
BAMF seems to think LB only come in 2 varieties… good at everything, and good at ONLY 1 thing.
Which is completely wrong. BEST at 1 thing, and serviceable to good at other things. With a FOCUS on doing what you’re best at in the correct place on the field.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
You are saying you want a PUREEEEE read PURE run stuffer
Don’t twist this around on me, I said multiple times I want an ALL around LB now all the sudden thats what you have been saying?
/done with this
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I've never said PURE read PURE run stuffer at any point in time EVER
YOU are the one that keeps pushing those words in my text.
I’M saying that ALL LB’s in the NFL (every last one of them) HAVE to be all round players. There aren’t any players that remain playing in the NFL at LB that can ONLY do 1 thing… and thats it. There is no such player.
However, there ARE players who have MAJOR strengths in certain areas (like run crushing hits at the point of attack) and their are players with MAJOR strengths in certain areas (coverage and ball skills).
A player with a MAJOR strength in their game at stopping the run IS a RUN STUFFER.
If ALL they can do is stuff the run, and nothing else at all…. They play in semi-pro football, or they never made it past 4A college athletics.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
It's not black and white.. and I've never argued that it is
A run stuffer is a guy that specializes at the point of attack.
He may be mediocre at pass defending. He may be no more than serviceable at reading the QB. He may be only average in ball skills. But as a point of attack guy (blitzing and tackling) he’s a complete beast.
Kinda like DJ is mediocre to average in several areas of his game, but he’s a complete Ball Hawk that seems to always make the right read, and has great hands/ball skills. DJ is a great coverage guy that’s always around the ball… but as a point of attack guy he’s no better than average.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
And regarding Belcher
I’d say that he’s at best marginally better than DJ at the point of attack, and thus should be given some serious competition from an early draft pick.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
yep.. Belcher is not a force at the point of attack
And he’s a liability in coverage.
I’m not impressed with him at all thus far.
He’s no more than mediocre in most aspects of his game.
If THAT’S the definition of this mysterious ‘all round’ LB that BAMF is looking for (A guy that really isn’t very good at anything, but does manage to be mediocre at everything) .. do not want.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Defense > Offense even MORE in today’s NFL
The fact that offense has changed to a system that uses more passing than it ever has before..has absolutely ZERO effect on the importance of defense.
That’s why in the SB the best D in the league dominated the best O… In opposite world.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Yeah, it couldn't have anything at all to do with well designed game plans or anything..
Obviously, in this one game, this one year… the #1 rank O beat the #1 ranked D, so that means offense is always more important than defense…. all the time.
Makes perfect sense.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I know
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Belcher has improved
…and will continue to improve. I really don’t see this as an area of need, par with RT & QB. QB & RT are critical needs in my book.
ILB, meh… We could get better there with a knock out punch draft pick, but I think Belcher does fine and will continue to improve. To me, consistency is key, so finally having a good NT (Gregg and hopefully Powe), will make Belcher better.
I'm sold on all the above options except Landry, and Manning
Don’t think Landry can jump to the NFL next year and succeed. Don’t think Manning will play a full season again
Manning would be good..
Manning w/ Moeaki, Charles, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin? Wow…
Landry Jones I do not want as an option.
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I don't care who we draft just as long as his last name is Cassel and he wears number 7
I really don’t want to buy another QB jersey.
With Manning, we will instantly be a threat. With any other college QB, it will take a few years, and there no guarantees. There are windows in the NFL. With Manning, the our window will be open.
With Manning our window would be slammed shut in a few years MAX
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
True, may get a ring or two, but not gonna build a dynasty
and anyone who claims that you can develop a QB under Manning just needs to watch some Curtis Painter film.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
Unless Manning gets hit badly once and then is done for good
Oh yeah.. back in the same spot with less picks for the future, and no QB.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Manning would be killed behind our line.
He is primarily a pocket passer, and really isn’t that good at dodging pass rushers like he would see behind our line. It would not take very long before he is injured as you had stated.
Tis not the best idea to trade for Manning…
Go Chiefs!!!!
His Oline has not been that great
Manning has been good at moving in the pocket and getting the ball out with his quick release
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
The Colts line has been significantly better than our line.
Last year was a down year for the line and Manning struggled… his quick release which will be slower has gotten him out of jams.
If we trade for Manning we will not be upgrading the offensive line like we need too.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Manning has had a ton of pressure for years
Partly due to no running game, partly due to the Oline, partly due to teams attacking Manning
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Addai had been a VERY capable running back for him...
Only over the past couple years has there been a decline… and lets face it when you have Manning as your QB, your offense isn’t ment to be a running game.
Pro bowl center Jeff Saturday led the Colts offensive line to the fewest sacks in the NFL from 2004-2006 every single year. Our very own Ryan Lilja played his prime years for these offensive lines. Tarik Glenn was another Pro bowler that was the starting LT for the Colts for a majority of Manning’s stay in Indy. Since this line had aged and Tarik’s retirement the offensive line play has drastically fallen apart. As the offensive line has begun to fall apart Mannings play has been less that “Manning-like”.
Anthony Castanzo, and Ben Iljana(IR) have been added recently because of the lack of production the past couple years.
So to say that his offensive line has not been great is complete hogwash.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Colts last year: least sacked team in the NFL
Colts this year: 18th most sacked team
Kinda like 2007 Patriots: 5th least sacked… 2008 Patriots: 5th most sacked… 2009 Patriots: 3rd least sacked
An elite QB plays a big part in avoiding sacks.
Randy, you're assuming that Painter could have developed in another situation
Do you think Favre helped to develop Rogers, the guy he didn’t want them to draft? Painter is just not a very good QB.
If his neck checks out, Manning would be my first choice without any question. We have a team full of players who are entering their prime NOW, and with a great QB we can win NOW. Why wait three years for a rookie to grow into his role right about the same time that HALI, DJ & Charles are on the downswing of their careers? We are at a unique time for a team where our best players are peaking (and under contract for several more years), and we have enough good younger players surrounding them that there’s a 3-5 year window for a dynasty.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I really hate to say this, because I love seeing the Chiefs win games like last week, .....
but I am really worried this year is going to set us back in solving our QB dilemma. This team is most likely not making the playoffs, but they have managed to get enough lucky bounces to get enough victories to kind of been in the hunt. As a result we are stuck watching Palko and Orton instead of at least looking at Stanzi (who I hope can play, but I am not counting on it). We also probably are now out of position in the draft to pick one of the top 4 guys. (I am totally against tanking to get a draft pick, but this is the reality of what is currently happening).
I really worry we are going to see no changes or upgrades to the QB position next year.
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IMHO its either 1 or the other. We go Big with a QB
I really worry we are going to see no changes or upgrades to the QB position next year.
Or we continue to add the peices to the puzzle to where after 1 more draft and a solid FA signing here and there we are just 1 step away from a superbowl run(s) starting 2014. Maybe a playoff appearance in 2013.
That peice: a Franchise QB
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
The NFL has changed so much in even the last 10 years, though.
Do you really think that’s still possible?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Pittsburgh made it to more SBs in the last 10 years than any other team.
Their consistent top 3 defense has a lot to do with it.
It can be done with a Dilfer-esque, QB, but, yeah it’s more of an exception to the rule. It’s possible…
They really turned around when they got Big Ben though
Now its not ONLY on the defense, but the offense can do enough to win games.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
With Charles we might be able to do enough on offense.
Assuming he returns at 100%. Charles IMO, is of equal value to Big Ben.
I’m not saying it’s my #1 option. Finding 1 QB seems like it would be easier than finding 11 badass defenders, but we might already have over half of them .
Assuming that there is no QB option available, could we make a SB with Charles, Cassel, the 3 Bs and a top 5 defense? Maybe… KC is almost set up to be one of those fluky teams that can win one, like the Ravens or Bucs.
Charles can not do enough to win us games
We have seen that last year with the Raiders and Ravens games, take Charles out of the game, double Bowe and its game over.
It would be a little different now with Baldwin and Breaston however I do not have that much faith in Cassel to be able to read the D in time before they are crashing down ontop of him
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, on Cassel and the Baldwin and Breaston additions.
But come on. Charles did A LOT to win us games last year. The guy’s average ypc last year was better than like 4 teams’ average yard per pass. He’s like a miniature passing game.
He is the reason we won so many last year that is the truth
However teams know this too, if they stop him, they stop us, we NEED a QB who can WIN games, we can not continue to roll with a QB who just will not LOSE the game
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
But I’ll understand if we can’t get a QB this upcoming offseason. We still might have a shot at winning a SB… Weak division, badass defense, solid running game and a stable of WRs that can hurt you… anything could happen.
Ben Roethlisberger >>>>>>>>> Trent Dilfer.
And it’s not close.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Which is great.
I mean, I’d argue that the gap between Roethlisberger and Dilfer is bigger than the gap between Charles and Lewis. What with Lewis being a 2000 yard rusher, Roethlisberger being a shoe-in hall of famer, and Dilfer basically just coming along for the ride. But that’s not really the issue.
The bigger issue is how different then NFL is today than it was even 10 years ago. Passing records are being shattered for a reason. Evolving offenses and rule changes have made the aerial attack more important than at any previous point in league history. I’m not sure we’re going to see any more Trent Dilfers or Brad Johnsons win the Super Bowl. And we’re certainly not going to see it without a team fielding an all time great defense (like Baltimore’s in 2000).
I think the Chiefs defense can be great, maybe even elite, but the truth is it’s easier to find a franchise QB than it is to build one of the 5 best defenses in NFL history. Especially since the rules are continuing to make it easier and easier for Aaron Rodgers to dissect you.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
All I'm saying is that the Chiefs are setting up to be a fluky team that can win one without a Big Ben type QB
That said, if they got a Big Ben type QB, they would be perennial contenders for the next 10 years.
I DO think the Chiefs have potential to be one of those all time great defenses soon. If what Houston is showing us is for real, and Berry returns at 100%, and we’re able to hit on one of the 3 young D Linemen we have (Bailey, Powe, Gordon who’s not as young, I know), then the Chiefs are about to get scary good.
The counter to the league changing to allow easier QB play is countered by what we already had in place before Pioli arrived, plus what he’s added. With Berry healthy, the Chiefs have the best secondary in the NFL, IMO. Flower, Carr, Lewis and Berry, plus Pioli constantly looking for more DBs like Brown and Arenas. Combine an elite secondary with a solid pass rush, which it looks like we might finally have with Hali and Houston and I can’t wait to see what KC does to QBs next year.
At this point it’s easier to get an elite D than an elite QB because we’re so close to already having one. But, yeah, I still want a QB.
?
Pittsburgh made it to more SBs in the last 10 years than any other team.
2001-2011 I have the Patriots at 4, Steelers with 3.
You are correct.
So the Steelers have the second most SBs out of any other team over the last 10 years.
My bad.
9 of the last 10 Superbowls have been won by elite QB's.
New England-3
Pittsburgh-2
Colts
Saints
Green Bay
Giants
Tampa
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Anyone who votes for Manning has lost their damn mind.
3 neck surgeries in 19 months.
The team that drafted him, that won a Superbowl with him, who is the face of the franchise looks like they are just willing to outright cut him.
He hasn’t thrown a football in nearly a year.
Anyone who thinks that Manning will return to his former glory, at 36 years old coming off of 3 neck surgeries and not playing football for over a year is living in a fantasy world.
The team that drafted him, that won a Superbowl with him, who is the face of the franchise looks like they are just willing to outright cut him.
Only because they’re in position to get a player who is considered to be a lock for a franchise QB. If they were several spots lower in the draft it’d be a whole different story.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I'm out of mind I guess
Call me crazy for wanting one of the best QBs of all time as my QB of the Chiefs.
Those surgeries happened to make his neck STRONGER.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
We aren't trying to trade for Tom Brady
we’re talking about manning here, 2nd best QB of all time…
I’ll put it this way. If the colts cut Manning and we signed him, I’m all for it. If we have to trade any draft picks to get him (except maybe some future late round pick) i’m out.
Actually, we've already traded for the greatest QB ever,
it was 18 years ago and his name was Montana.
... and Montana had a serious knee injury the year before we traded for him.
Steve Young looked extremely promising after Montana’s injury and the 49ers traded up to get Bryant Young. Peterson’s draft of Lake Dawson was pretty flat… and I don’t remember the safety. Overall it was a pretty good trade… and nothing that we would see a trade for Manning.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Nope, Manning is the greatest of all time and here is why
When the Pats lost Brady they went 11-5 with some douchehole under center
When the Colts lost Manning they are set to go 0-16 with a few doucheholes under center
Manning has Caldwell as a coach, Brady has Bellichik as a coach. Which should tell you all you need to know about that situation
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
It's a toss-up.
You can certainly argue either way and make a good argument. I really do wonder now, how much Brady was a product of Belichick and not the other way around.
The answer is it’s a combination of a lot of things, but I just think there can be an argument made that for as much as Belichick/Pioli can take credit for Brady; Brady can also take credit for Belichick Pioli.
I'd say Manning and Brady are BOTH a couple of the greatest QB's all time
But I’d be hard pressed to rank either one of the #1 with a bullet.
For instance… if you look at the average number of passing yards per team in Marinos hey-day and compare that to the average number of passing yards TODAY per game….
and then extrapolate Marino’s record setting year for passing yards using that comparison… you would find out that (in today’s numbers) Marino threw for over 8,000 yards in one season.
That’s how much the game has changed. 3 different QB’s might eclipse Marino’s total for a season THIS year, but in an era to era comparison… no one is even close to Marino in that stat.
Y.A. Tittle
Johny U
Fran Tarkenten
Joe Montana
etc etc…
Not taking anything away from Manning or Brady… but Greatest of All Time has to include “All Time”, not just the guys you’re old enough to remember.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, yards.
Marino holds yardage records, Brady has the greatest TD – INT differential in a season (42) as well as the highest TD:INT ration (9:1) in two different seasons. Brady also had the most pass attempts ever without throwing an interception (350+) as well as the most pass attempts without throwing an interception to begin a career (150+). Brady also has the second best quarterback rating over a season ever. The first is Manning. Brady has also won 3 Super Bowls.
Marino greater than Brady because he threw for 5,084 yards in a season? I don’t really think so.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 10, 2011 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
show me where I said that marino is greater than Brady.
You can’t do it, because I didn’t say it or imply it.
I responded to a comment that Manning is the greatest QB of all time by saying that you have to consider ALL TIME when you make that argument, not just the modern era.
Further, I pointed out that the modern era players cannot be compared directly to past era’s by stats alone.. because the game has changed so much. Which is why I mention that of you extrapolate Marino’s 5,000 yards to todays numbers it would actually be over 8,000 yards in comparison. Nowhere did i say that Marino should be ranked higher on an all time list over Brady.
Brees, Brady, and Rodgers may ALL get credit for breaking Marino’s 5,000 yard record this season. However, looking at the numbers of past era vs. modern era does not give you an acurate picture of the impact a QB had on their team, and the game in a past era. The big 3 THIS year would have to throw for over 8,000 yards (not 5,000) to have the same kind of passing yard impact that Marino had in his time.
You seem to be arguing Brady’s case for all time greatest using EXACTLY the measuring stick (stats alone) that I am suggesting does NOT tell the whole story. Stats are certainly an important indicator, but they only tell part of the tale.
For instance… The Steelers have won more Super Bowls than any other franchise (6). However, if you include the era BEFORE the Super Bowl as well as the Super Bowls… you will find that Green Bay have been the league champions 13 times. (More than twice as many as the Steelers). Stats can be made to support whatever argument you’d like to make…. they don’t paint the complete picture.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Do some research in his particular surgery.
The first two were a less invasive attempt to fix his problem. The final one was fusing two bones together. A study has shown that close to 75% of NFL players that have had this surgery returned to play an average of about 3 years.
There’s little reason to suspect he won’t be able to play again.
A study has shown that close to 75% of NFL players that have had this surgery returned to play an average of about 3 years.
Manning barely has 3 years left in his career I’d love to know the average age of NFL players that undergo this treatment. I would bet money that Peyton is one of the oldest.
Here's info on it:
http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/nov10/clinical2.asp
Keep in mind that Peyton is the least sacked QB of the last decade.
Bairly has 3 years left?
Conventional wisdom says maybe so, but this is a guy who threw for 4700 yards in 2010, and didn’t miss a single game in his career prior to this year. Also, those stats were with no running game.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
How many of those in the study were QB's?
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Dec 10, 2011 4:37 AM CST up reply actions
RGIII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>broken-down, injury prone PeyPey past his prime.
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
So we can develop a 28 year old QB? Isn’t that what we’ve just wasted the last three years doing?
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by JComp11 on Dec 9, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
oh stop
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
If you have to think about it, then the Chiefs need a new signal caller.
That just sums it up. Period.
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I know right?
I didn’t have to think about it either. :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
I think we may have already found our answer in this Javier Arenas kid
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 9, 2011 9:32 AM CST reply actions
Or possibly McLain,
Since apparently the power of positive thinking translates into real wins in today’s NFL (looking at you Tim Tebow)
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Shh....
The NFL would fine the Chiefs for even talking about it. It would completely destroy the parity they’ve spent the last two decades working on, and we’d quickly surpass the Niners and Cowboys for most Super Bowl wins.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 9, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I chose Peyton Manning
Now let me give a quick tid bit:
Expensive; probally. worth it? Hell yeas!
Here are my reasons:
His ability, decsion making, leadership ASIDE:
He would groom Stanzi to be that next guy.
2-4 Years left in the tank (pending phyisical)
Immeadiate Franchise QB
2 for 1 Specil: QB (HOFer and OC)
And
Its Peyton Freaking Manning!
With a renegotiated contract and cap space; We can get a real FA- RT to protect him, resign Bowe for a number 1 target which we all know when Peyton’s under center everyone is a number 1 target.
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
Even when Manning was in his prime and the team around him was solid
they still only managed to win one. It’s not as straight forward as that . Not with Brady and Roethlisberger and Luck roaming around the AFC
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 9, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Not looking for pipe dreams..
Im hoping for the Most Holy of Holy’s to bless us with the QBOTF. Whomever it may be.
The onyl way I see Manning ( and dont take it as a back pedal from my Man Crush on stanzi)
Is if he renegotitates and the Colts out right Cut him. The colts have to pay, if I am understanding this correctly, pay 28 million binus due to him in order to even trade him… SO they either pay him and trade him OR they cut him and its his preference of where he goes. It wont be a bidding War it will be where Peytons (and Archie) wants to go and finish his career. IMHO
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
Or redo his contract then trade him
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
thanks BAM
So it will be an interesting off season..
The “Peyton” watch.. alot more entertaining than the “Nnamdi Watch”
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Or the ongoing Favre watch
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I still laugh when I see FA RT
hehe, you said fart
3rd grade humor aside, i would LOVE to see Manning here, and I do think he’d win a TON of games with this team…
a better defense than Indy ever had, and skill players with the potential to be as good or better
by stagdsp on Dec 9, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
well deserved
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not so bold prediction
Cassel will be our starter next year with Palko backing him up. Write it down now.
…..typically, my predictions are wrong so hopefully this means something
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 9, 2011 9:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Palko will be our offensive quality control guru, write it down now.
…Right? Right?
/sick of seeing #4 on the field
"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."
-Bill Muir
by go_saleaumua on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Bonus to having Manning
Stanzi learning under him.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Because Curtis Painter's been awesome
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Different stages of his career
… probably could have given a rip about Painter.
Could be different with Stanzi. Also Painter is a Purdue grad… they can’t really retain much information.
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by SwimCoach on Dec 9, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Could be different, yeah Manning will make the kid who can't beat out Palko our QBOTF
… really?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Palko thing is a joke man... come on
Palko is starting over Stanzi just b/c Haley is being an idiot about the situation.
Didn’t Haley bench Bowe for Urban too? Something like that…. Haley might love Stanzi and is just trying to put him in his place.
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HAHAHAHA seriously?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
why does it have to because Haley is an idiot?
Why can’t it be because Stanzi is NOT ready to start?
Maybe Stanzi doesn’t know the protections yet, or the play book.
Maybe Stanzi hasn’t had enough snaps yet. Maybe Stanzi is still the deer in headlights that he was in the pre-season.
Maybe Zorn and Muir are both telling Haley in meetings that Stanzi needs more time and more work.
Maybe Haley really has faith in Stanzi, and doesn’t want to expose him before he’s ready for fear of ruining the kid.
Maybe it’s because Stanzi was a 5th round draft pick that no other team in the NFL thought enough of to draft any higher, and he simply needs more time to learn and practice to improve before he has the team put on his shoulders.
The Stanzi hype is just that… hype. He’s a 5th round prospect that isn’t ready to step in and win games. He’s a last resort option. He’s a QB that had a total of 2 weeks of off season to prepare. He’s worse than a 5th rounder, and hes worse than a rookie. He’s a 5th round rookie with no offseason and mo more than a handful of first team reps and he doens’t know shit about shit in the Chiefs scheme.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope SwimCoach said it right
Haley is an idiot and loves Stanzi
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Soemtimes you much harder on the athletes you like more
not a crazy thought if you have coached before.
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When you are still in the hunt for the division and playoffs
You don’t play Palko if Stanzi is an upgrade, Stanzi is not ready/not going to be the QBOTF
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
You think Palko > Stanzi
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at this exact moment in time.... yes
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me also
count me in this group also. I suspect that Stanzi needs a bit more cultivation. There’s a reason that he was around in the 5th round.
Palko was available to the arena league, but they wouldn't even give him a tryout
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Woah, woah, woah...
…hold on there, Texas Chief.
You’re using WAY too much common sense and logic.
Ah, no.
This team is still in the playoff picture. You don’t play a completely inexperienced rookie over an inexperienced backup until you know that the playoffs are out of reach.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
You mean....
…you haven’t learned that the members of AP know far more about football personnel and developing players than actual, real NFL coaches?
Shame on you, Aiken. :)
I'm sorry.
I need to pay more attention. :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
I think we all realized that Jamaal Charles was better than 2.7 before Haley did
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I don't
Were you around reading this blog daily in the off season before 2.7’s resigning?
I was arguing tooth and nail that 2.7 needed to be traded away for whatever value we could get for the guy because he was washed up, and a general douchebag.
There were TONS of people arguing (in a SERIOUS tone) that he had a lot left in the tank and was going to put up 1200-1500 yards for the Chiefs, and what idiots we would be to let him go…etc.etc…
It was “fightin’ Words” around AP for a long time just to mention Larry Johnson being dumped. (In the same way we have Cassel arguments today). There was a vocal minority that wanted the guy gone, and whole lot of people that thought we should keep him around for another year or 2….
We end up resigning the asshat… and looking like fool’s for doing so.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
glad you had to cuss to get your point across
no he’s not. I am an IU grad… just giving Purdue guys a hard time. Chill out.
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huh?
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love your sig...
Eric Berry counted to infinity — twice
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
I miss him.
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yeah mee too..
His jersey along with JC and T MO are hanging up in my closet with the dry cleaning bags drapped over em… couldnt bear wearing them with them out.. All I have is Dexter and DT…
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I may burn mine,
I wore Berry’s the first game, and JC’s the second game. I’ll be afraid to were them anymore. LOL
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
same here
But I also wore Tmo’s reseason game 4 – I stopped wearing em after JC went down.. I was hesitant to wear DexMex’s for a while….
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
And that Dawson guy...
he was a Purdue grad too…and they had an assistant coach named Stram or something like that…total doofus.
Respet on the Purdue knock
ND-er here
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by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Lenny Dawson was a Purdue grad
and he’d kick your ass for that comment. lol
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
No he wouldn't
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maybe... wouldn't count on it
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Brees is a Purdue grad
Seems he can run an offense.
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QB
What about Kellen Moore from Boise State? Forget about strength of schedule and look at his accuracy and decision-making. He could fall to the second round or later, and let the Chiefs fill another need in the first round.
We already have a weak arm'd QB
No need for another one
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying we need Russel's arm
Watch Moore and his HORRIBLE arm, no defense is going to respect that arm
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Good option
people hate on him… but he is a winner.
Then we could draft a LB or OT in the first round. I vote for Luke Keuchley if we are pickign 10-20 and can’t get a QB like RG3.
Then get Moore in 2 or 3
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Moore will be available in the 5th easily
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
even better!
but I’m sure people thought Ponder wouldn’t have been drafted that early last year…
Teams could pull the trigger early if they fall in love with a QB.
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Completely different, there was no FA to fill holes
Teams reached on QBs, Ponder was a 1st round talent, but due to injuries was ’’slotted’’ in the second round.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
They signed McNabb…
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AFTER the draft
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
So...
You said there was no FA options. There was. McNabb and they signed him.
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They traded for McNabb
Which they didn’t know if they could get a vet QB, so they reached to get a QB since they had none
How are you not following?!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
So you think Ponder wasn't a reach?
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I never said he was or wasn't a reach
I said because of no FA before the draft they went to get their QB, like the Titans as well.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
All I am saying is that if a team wants a QB
they will draft him earlier than the 5th round.
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Not one with little talent and a crappy arm
You can not use last year as the only example due to no FA before the draft, look at other years
Hell use Daniels as the example, pretty close prospects, winners/huge numbers/short/bad arms
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
or slow/small WRs from small colleges
like Jerry Rice.
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Except he was reported to run a lot faster than the like 4.6 people point to
And had great hands
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
wowwwwww
come on man. Who reported that? Jerry?
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Walsh has been reported saying it many times
4.4 IIRC
http://www.extremeskins.com/archive/index.php/t-103312.html
One link to a NFL story about Rice running a 4.4
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Down hill w/ the wind
Most reported 4.6 – you spent way too much time on that.
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Not really, was making coffee too
Yeah there have been many sources that ’’debunk’’ the 4.6 speed
The fact he could run a 4.6 and 4.7 after knee injures late in his career show that he didn’t run a 4.6 flat
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Kellen Moore is projected as a 6th round pick at best by most
cant cite the articles from work but @NFLMocks said he might not even get drafted.
plus Elway will take him...
they both have equestrian heritage…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
by SFLChief on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
by SFLChief on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow...
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
this is PROOF!!
Elway is cloning himself!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Toss up a picture of Brady Quinn too.
Dear Santa, All I want for Christmas is a NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Dec 9, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
if its between Moore and the kid from Houston in the 6th round
Id take the kid from Houston
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Anybody but....
Landry Jones. I watched 4 of his games this year, doesn’t seem to have “it”. Best bet to flop out of the top 4 this year IMO.
He should stay IMO
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
How about a guy like Matt Flynn?
He’s due to hit the free agent market, and it looks like the Packers a prepared to let him shop his services. Could turn out to be another Cassel/Kolb though.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
I think he would cost too much money - and trade for it to come into frutition
And Im sure AP would go ballistic on ANOTHER back QB project…
I would..
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by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
He reminded me a lot of Cassel when we saw him in preseason
and not in a good way
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
this year..
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Every year.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Last season was an artifact created by an unstoppable running game that would have made 45 QB's in the NFL look just as good, and most would have looked a lot better,
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What if
horror of horrors, Charles can’t be the same guy after his injury? Would you choose a QB over a top RB? It’s way to early to decide how this draft will go.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
QB>RB
RBs are a dime a dozen
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Until you don't have one.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Foster?
You just need to find RBs that fit the system, a 1 cut and go RB. If we can somehow get a QBOTF and continue to work on the Oline RBs are plug and play
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
He is not even a 1 cut back in all reality
However yes that’s what I am talking about.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Whoever.
RBs that fit the system? What system? Changing QBs will change the system right? So how do you pick a RB until you know who the QB is? It seems to me that the Haley system currently in place does not rely on a gun slinger QB, yet that is what everybody seems to want. I don’t think we’ll see it unless it develops off our bench. That means that if Stanzi can’t do a solid Jesse James impersonation, we go forward with Cassel, or a resonable facscimile thereof.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
RBs have to fit the scheme ran by the Oline
1 cut backs are used in ZBS due to having good vision and finding holes to the side/behind them from the Oline’s double teams
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I get it.
How does that address the change in system if we replace the QB, or even the HC? Some here think that both of these things need to be done.
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" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
QB should have no effect, HC maybe but I don't see an overhaul in the Oline unless
It is several years down the road and we have not replenished the Oline
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
could tj have his best running game of the year in New york
How many yards will thomas jones get sunday
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'd set the over/under at 35.
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Over
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
On how many carries? 35?
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You didn't say if yards called back due to BRich holding calls were factored in
So I went with over due to many being called back
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Lol. That's legit.
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Gotta play the best odds
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
that never happens with B rich
Cmon Man
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
only pass plays does b rich hold
were good TJ gets a 100 yards 1 td
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I would never consider a RB in round 1.
Regardless of Charles’ status.
by polodude017 on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We found Charles in RD 3
I think RB’s as first round picks will become more and more rare in the future. Daniel Thomas and Mark Ingram were both very minor contributors this year.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
Teams with Franchise QB's
have the luxury of taking RB’s in round 1
by aasukisuki on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And teams that are stupid.
Like Buffalo.
Are you trying to tell us...
that Ryan Fitzpatrick isn’t a franchise QB? HERESY I SAY!
Go Chiefs!!!!
Not like we can talk though.
Peterson took a RB in the 1st just to use as leverage against his super star RB already on the roster. And to think… we could have taken Rex Grossman instead. Or, you, know… Troy Polamalu.
Certainly QB is the biggest need by far.
You put a good, not even great but good, QB on this team and I think they are a perennial playoff team and possibly a Super Bowl contender.
The problem is, exactly what you outlined in the last paragraph. I don’t want to see Pioli take a QB that he is not sold on just because QB is the biggest need. Almost every other position on the field you can get away with lacking certain things (leadership, toughness, intelligence, etc), but not at QB. You need it all and I don’t think Landry Jones, at least at this point, has it. Unfortunately he might be the only one available when KC gets to pick. I think Barkley is long gone and I don’t see Griffin being Pioli’s cup of tea. Depending on the price, I’d be willing to trade up for Barkley, but with the Dolphins likely in that discussion and needing a QB badly, I see the price being too high.
Just throwing this out there - Ya'll dont have to catch it.. BUT...
I think in light of Luck and the Luck swepstakes or Suck for Luck deal that 1 or quite possibly more of these QB’s stay another year
RGIII
Jones
Barkley
Just so they are not in the same draft class as Luck and have another year to up there value..
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
Jones should stay, he is not ready
Barkley may stay with Kalil at USC
I see RGIII coming out, his stock will not be higher and if Jones/Barkley stay along with Wilson/Tenn QB/etc there are some nice prospects next year
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I'd bet some cash Barkley declares.
He’s hired an agent. and his almost quantum-like improvement throughout this past season makes his stock the highest it will be, IMO. Staying another year if he just levels off at his 2011 form, or even worse, has a subpar year, would drop him quite a bit. Yeah, Jones DEFINITELY needs to stay.
Hmm … I’m not sure if RG-3 will declare or not? The announcers this year were blabbing something about his parents wanting him to stay in school and finish his Masters next year. I agree with you that his stock won’t be any higher than now. And even worse, if he stays and plays next year, Baylor forcing him to run this stupid QB read-option crap just might end up getting him HURT badly. And furthermore, it won’t teach him anything more about what it takes to be a NFL QB.
It would be the stuff of unbelievable, surreal dreams if Pioli got him. But I’d want out horrid OL improved by leaps and bounds to protect him from the beating he’d take in the NFL before I’d play him. I don’t care what O-system you run, who the QB is, how mobile he is, how good he is at pre-snap reads, how quickly he makes his progressions and throws, or how many great O-weapons you surround him with … he will take hits in the NFL w/o a damn good OL . But I won’t be satisfied with our OL until its as good as our Vermeil era one was; that’s just me, lol.
I’d like Tyler Wilson next season if we don’t get anybody this season. That guy has toughness, and is cool, calm and collected under pressure and duress in the pocket. IMO, having that kind of balls, pocket and game presence can’t be taught nor coached up; a guy is either born with those mental-emotional stones, or he’s not. The wacky thing about Tyler Wilson is: his mechanics and decision-making go to hell just any ole time when he’s not under pressure, lol??? His accuracy and velocity go to hell when that happens; he’s still so inconsistent at times. And he doesn’t have anywhere near the cannon that Mallett has – but he’s more mobile, and more calm and collected under pocket pressure. But he REALLY, really needs to get his mechanics and decision-making down consistently next season to go high in next year’s draft.
I’m not sure about how good Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray and E.J. Manuel will be? I know some have them ranked 1st and 2nd rounders if they do well next season. Like you, I think they’re guys to definitely consider – and we know how much Pioli LOVES, LOVES the SEC. I’d even venture to say Pioli just might covet an SEC QB even more than others because he’ll think they proved themselves against the best college D’s here is. WTH … he just might be right?
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by LocoLoboChico on Dec 9, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Barkley's value isn't going too much higher than it is right now.
Being the #2 pick is really nothing to sneeze at. And Griffin would be crazy to not go after this year he has had. I could see Landry Jones sticking around though.
I can concede to your point
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by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
up there value?
You mean get a chance to go #1 overall next year instead of #2 or #3?
Cause the salaries are all but slotted in the draft now.
They can’t up their value any other way than to be picked higher… and history says that staying in college another year RARELY results in a first round prospect’s draft stock rising. More often, it drops.
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The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Not Value as in monetary
Value is as in worth picking up. This years crop of top 10 worst teams will be different next years save mayve 3-4 of em. Maybe .. and Im just spit ballin here – Maybe they see where they may end uo and say to themselves screw that! Ill stay another year get some expeirence and see who I might get drafted by next years.. thats all.
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by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
What if
The Chiefs got Cowher and Manning.
Boom!
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Boom is right.
What a mess.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
yeah
I am sure KC fans would just hate if we got Cowher and Manning.
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If it's Ronald Cower and Eli Manning.. I'm all for it
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you wouldn't be excited about
Bill Cowher as HC and Peyton Manning as QB?
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No.
Cowher took 15 years to win one superbowl and then he quit. Manning probably got stem cells from a girls volleyball donor and he will now throw like a girl. Can we please move on to BUILDING a team instead of trying to piece one together out of other teams broken parts?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
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by Aiken_Drum on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
thank you sir... for reason and intelligence
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He quit to be with his kids and spend time with them in thier early years to High school
They are in College now SO I can see him coming back to the NFL.. not sure where but Id take him back..
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
R-I-G-H-T
And I’m sure he can’t wait to go back to 100 hour weeks and the stress level associated with being a HC in the NFL. The longer you are away from it, the less likely it is that you will return.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
the reason he quit has nothing do with the reason I wouldn't want him to coach the Chiefs today
Cower took 15 years to win the big one. Chiefs fans are hard pressed to give a coach 3 years before calling for their head.
Cower (for the majority of his career) coached in an NFL where running the ball and playing great defense were vastly more important than the passing game has become under the new pass friendly rules.
Cower is the SAME coach we have now in terms of temperament and attitude. If the fans think Haley screams and yells too much and is too confrontational with his players…..how is Cower going to be any different.
And YES, Cower has been out of the game for awhile now. It’s extremely unlikely he’s going to come back to 100 hour weeks, non-stop travel, and the massive stress of the job when he can sit behind a desk and talk football for the same kind of money.
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and i'm pretty sure
that Dick LeBeau would not be included in a Cowher signing…
do not want
correct sir.
I give Lebeau a LOT more of the credit than I give to Cower.
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And his wife was dying of cancer
(note: I don’t endorse hiring Cower, just making a point)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
TC!!
Thanks man. Your killin’ me!!!
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
The Manning thing is interesting though.
Why would they be rushing him back to play if they weren’t showcasing him for a trade? If it comes out that Indy won’t keep him and Luck, something has to give and there will be one more big-time QB out there for the taking. I’m not saying Luck or Manning necessarily come to KC, but maybe Miami snags one and that opens up the door for KC to get up there and take Barkley. WIll be interesting to see.
BOO. Cowher is over-rated.
Manning may never take another snap.
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P. Manning + RB/3WR's/TE + this Defense= SUPER BOWL....
Besides Luck, I’m not sold on the USC kid, but RGIII seems pretty good, maybe a “Cam Newton” type… Mobile, Good Arm, Smart…
But picture this:
We trade for Manning, and Stanzi gets some guidance so he can start in 3 years like A. Rodgers did. Hey if it worked for them why not us. Plus, we don’t get a QB this year, so we get either a STUD LB to compliment DJ or a REAL RT. We’ll draft a QB in 2013 if Stanzi isn’t the answer, we’ll keep drafting QB’s until Manning gives out. By then we’ll have a bad season and get that year’s A. Luck… Win Win situtation…
But, the Colts will want the farm, and I don’t see Pioli doing it.
But could you imagine… we won’t even need an Offensive Coordinator… we would have P. Manning calling the plays…
P. Manning + RB/3WR’s+TE + this Defense= SUPER BOWL….
People on here have already declared that
Manning won’t be able to help out Stanzi.
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Fusing bones in your neck is not some eaisly recoverable surgery
add in the complications of nerve damage extending down the arm (yes the throwing arm).. which is why Peyton was complaining of tingling and sharp pains running down his next all the way to his hand when he threw the ball…. and you have a recipe for disaster for a QB.
If I were Archie… I would be advising Peyton to retire. 3 Neck surgeries with nerve issues rolled in….in 18 months, while playing a game that has to potential to get you hit by 250-300lb men trying to power shot you on every single play.
Going back to football has the potential to end in lifelong pain, and severe neck/spinal damage to Peyton for the rest of his life. He’s proven everything he needs to prove on the football field. He should retire to coaching or a college football media job.
I certainly hope it’s NOT the Chiefs that start giving up picks to take on Manning (even if the Dr’s clear him, and Indy trades him) knowing that ANY ONE hit in the future could spell catastrophic consequences to his already damaged neck.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What if we draft a good QB prospect to develop and compete with Stanzi
At the same time picking up Pey-Pey as a free agent (a very real possibility due to Manning’s roster bonus being due before the draft, for Indy’s part)?
Not like we don’t have copious amounts of salary cap space to work with to take the chance, and by 2013 almost all of it is going to have to be spent anyway. If it works out and Manning kills it for a few years with us, great! If not, it’s not like we didn’t have the financial headroom to try anyway, and meanwhile Stanzi + Option #2 were competing to be the next guy in line.
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haha... there it is
Or maybe no one could help Curtis Painter.
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Please don't even put Newton and Griffin in the same sentence.
They are not similar players just because they can run.
and are black (that's the main reason they get compared)
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 9, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
eh, not really
Newton can throw it deep, and gets rushing TD’s as well. Those are things that RG3 does. You could try comparing him to Vince Young, who is also mobile and has a good arm – but he’s a head case, so it’s a bad comparison.
I’m trying to think of any current white QB’s in the NFL who are a better comparison to RG3 than a guy like Cam Newton would be. I’m drawing a blank (note: it’s possible they’re there and I’m just not thinking of them).
I also think RG3 has a better skill set over all than Cam. Or at least the higher ceiling.
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I have heard a lot of people use the Steve Young comparison with RGIII
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
He's not in the league and hasn't been in 12 years.
As everyone continually says, the game has evolved a lot in the last decade. It’s hard to compare guys so far apart (and this is the first I’ve heard of Young / RG3 comparison).
Trying to keep comparisons reasonable, to guys in the league or recently in the league.
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A. Rogers was a FIRST ROUND pick
Stanzi was drafted as a favor to Pioli’s buddy Ferentz – in the 5th round. He’s a project. He may play some games, but unlike Rogers, Stanzi wasn’t drafted with the expectation that he would one day be the franchise guy.
Having read
about how psychotic Pioli is on draft day, I find it hard to believe that the pick was for a buddy.
Stanzi was rated as one of the best QBs in the draft by more than one publication
Good potential good steal by kc
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that 'favor' thing kind of smells like sci-fi to me.
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Forget the Pioli - Ferentz angle.
Nobody is picking somebody as a favor to a college coach. Iowa has put more players in the NFL in the last three years than ANY division I team save one. Look it up. OL, TE, DB, LB… were those all “favors?” Stop being stupid.
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I picked rg3...
but if we don’t draft one, I’d rather have Orton than Cassel…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
I'll wait til I see Orton to make that choice
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I say keep Orton
and let him and Cassel duke it out next year for starter job. Spend those early picks addressing our o-line and one more DB and another TE and RB since TMo and Charles are now question marks. If we don’t make the playoffs this year, our schedule should ease up a bit next year and we could have another playoff entry with a chance to win it all. Making the playoffs every year should be the more immediate goal that putting all of our eggs in a Super QB basket in hopes of winning it all in 3-5 years.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Idk how much Orton will be looking for, likely quite a bit
Which would make us spending a ton on 2 back ups.
If we continue to make pushes(although I hate the weak schedule argument for next year) then what do we gain? Still no QB and will have to trade up at some point to get one.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Unless you think we don't need one.
Like I said, I think that the Haley scheme relies on smart QBs that take care of the ball, not gun slingers that throw as many ints as TDs. Both Cassel and Orton would seem to fit that description. How would we be paying for 2 backups? One starter, one backup and Stanzi still waiting for his shot. Palko may have to find another team.
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" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Cassel is a back up IMO
Orton very well could be at this point in his career, nether are QBOTF’s either.
Is Haley’s wanting the QBs to be very selective or are the plays being called and QBs being drilled into NOT making throws because they are not that good?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
The reality is that
it is probably some of both. I don’t think the reason matters as much as whether or not this truly is what Haley is doing. If it is, he (and by extension Pioli) will not be willing to ‘waste’ a draft pick on a gun slinger type QB. Why did they pick up Stanzi last year? Because he was cheap, young and Kurt Ferentz told them that he could eventually be exactly what they were looking for in this scheme-yes?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Or because who else did we have?
Haley/Pioli could know Cassel is not the answer by this point in time, we missed out on the top QBs so why not take a flyer on a late round guy just in case?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe
but with other positions of need still to be filled on this team, we could easily have held onto Guitierrez (sp?) or Brokie. IDK, Moeaki and Stanzi coming aboard with Ferentz’s approval speaks pretty loudly to what these guys are thinking.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
If it was all about Ferentz wouldn't we have drafted Bulaga?
We had a huge hole at RT(and still do) however we went BPA, took later round picks on good prospects
maybe I’m missing something, but just seems like you are twisting things around too much
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know
We just cut Gaither mid season. Maybe somebody in charge doesn’t think Barry Richardson is as much a liability as the fan base does. I’m not trying to twist it, just playing devil’s advocate.
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Gaither didn't look great out there for SD let alone in a power scheme not a ZBS
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
but a few thousand fans around here are convinced that we screwed the pooch in letting him go.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
The same fans that believe Stanzi is the answer and future and that
Pioli and Haley should be strung up for not playing him I’m assuming
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Wrong.
I think Gaither is a waste of space. I don’t think Haley should be gone or strung up. I think Pioli, while not using available money to shore up depth this year, is doing a good job.
I do believe Stanzi should be dressed and available when your QB core consists of Palko, injured Orton, and???
So sue me.
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And you filled in neither of those groups
Thanks for playing
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
those are the same people that think Manning's injury is no big deal and we should trade the house to get him.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
and the same fans
who think that a player’s ability and talent is static, never changes, and is not dependent on the scheme and team he plays in/for.
Even so
many fans here have advocated putting that square peg in the round hole, citing Richardson’s suckyness as reason to force the issue.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
if Orton costs us a franchise tag (and he very well might)...
… or more than 6mil a season as a back up… then I don’t see the Chiefs keeping Orton AND Cassel. It’ll be one or the other. And as we all know, the favorite player of the fans in KC is whoever hold the position of back up QB. Be that Grbac, Gannon, Palko, Stanzi, or Orton…. It’ll just cause a mess of a QB controversy.
I think we’ve got to pick one or the other… in which case.. I pick Cassel over Orton. THey are essentially the same QB in terms of numbers, but Cassel has been here and has the benefit of knowing the staff and system.
Now, if Orton steps in and lights it up (highly unlikely) in a way Cassel never has….. I may change my mind.
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Bowe/Carr will get the tag before Orton
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see them both back.
One or the other. And the less Orton plays this season, the more likely it is that Cassel is the one who stays.
You business people are all alike.
Always have to make the money work before signing off on something. Sheesh! :)
IDK, maybe Orton doesn’t have as much value on the open market as you think he does. He could be sliding into that period in his career when he becomes an above average backup for the likes of a Big Ben type. I like the idea of watching Cassel compete with somebody that he knows can win the job. He hasn’t had to do that since coming to KC and it would be interesting to see how he performs with that added ‘incentive’.
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drew brees
free agent next year and we got 25 mill to spend
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
He wont leave NO
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
No way the Saints let him walk
They will pay him, they just gotta decide who to cut to make room for it.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
No way the Cards let Pujols leave.
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Baseball is very different than football my friend.
Salary cap, franchise tag, etc.
No way the Chargers let him go...
we could go on. Money talks.
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When Brees left the Chargers he was a mediocre QB
and they had a young gunslinger named Phillip Rivers on the roster.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
Brees was not a mediocre QB when the Chargers let him walk
Not even close
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Brees was 14-2 that year!
I’ll take that mediocre type QB any time.
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Chargers let him go because he had a bum shoulder and they had Rivers on the bench.
You are comparing apples and oranges. The bottom line is that elite QBs do not and will not make it FA unless they have significant warts or are unsatisfied with their current situation.
Those comparisons are terrible.
They don’t take into account the different dynamics of baseball free agency, the lack of a salary cap, the fact that Pujol’s manager was retiring, the fact that many (arguably most) doctors thought at the time that Brees’ shoulder injury was too severe to recover from, the fact that the Chargers had Phillip Rivers waiting in the wings, the extra sentimental attachment between Brees and New Orleans post-Katrina, etc.
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The Chargers didn't let Brees go.
They forced him out. He had a labrum injury, they had just fired his biggest advocate, Marty Schottenheimer (after a 14-2 season) and promoted Phyllis Rivers to starter.
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brees will test the waters
the chiefs got 25 mill under the cap he will listen
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Brees will get tagged
He can test the oil stained waters of the Gulf if he likes.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
thats so worng...
but funny
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
What would you give up for manning in a trade vs brees
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Brees would certainly be worth more in a trade right now.
How much? I’m not sure, but the injury to Manning has obviously decreased his value.
Manning and Brees are VERY different situations
Manning is damaged goods, Brees is on top of his game. The Colts are in position to draft luck, the Saints are not in position to draft any “sure thing” QB.
I would trade the farm for either one, but Brees will wear a franchise tag if he doesn’t sign a long term deal. He’s not going anywhere, period. Manning may be allowed to walk simply because he’s due a 28 million roster bonus, and the owner may not want to pay that for a broken QB.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
I'de like to see us Trade for Matt Flynn
that just me, I don’t know.. Laundry looks good, and might still be there in the draft, but its more likely that someone like Nick Foles would get drafted in the second round.
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions
Flynn is FA, no reason to trade for him
Laundry has looked horrible this year
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I dont' want Jones
at all……
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I'm just saying the top 3 are going to be gone, and that might be one of the few to fall
So if we are making a change of QB’s, lets go get someone like Flynn
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
So we can have another back up?
Yayyyyy us!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Flynn is a starter behind a Starter
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
That's what we heard about Caleb Haine after the NFC title game last year
how’s that working out so far?
I think that, going into this year, most people would have said that Flynn looked like the much more promising of those two.
But I still agree in principle.
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but I don't care much for his height
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
He is a starter because of what? 1 game?
Cause Cassel started a full season and did a pretty good job?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
It think he has made a good showing for himself
And he has sat behind Rogers for 4 years.
If I’m taking a crap shoot on a QB, outside of Luck, or even with luck, who is more likely to succeed?
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I would take the young QB over another old backup who has shown flashes on a great team
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Or Kolb?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
dirty laundry
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Dec 10, 2011 1:48 AM CST up reply actions
No way Griffin III is there....
He is going to be the star of the combine…..his stock is going to keep rising. Luck’s stock has no where to go but down. I think the only one of the top four that are left when we’re picking is Landry Jones…..and I think he is least safest of the top 4 QB’s. Questionable decision maker. Matt Cassel will probably be our guy to start 2012….
We can definitely trade up to get him though
and won’t cost as much to get him in money or picks for the trade
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
With the rookie wage scale teams won't ask as much in draft picks in order to
move down the draft board.
Does that make sense?
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
The top picks are worth MORE with the wage scale
No one wanted to trade up into the top 10 and take on those massive contracts, if the player busts you are handicapped because of that. Now with top picks only making like 22 mil instead of 60 mil, those top picks are more valuable
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Right, you have this backwards.
Those picks are now worth MORE because you can pay them LESS. It will be harder to trade up now.
I have what backwards?
I said top draft picks are more valuable due to lower contracts
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Oh you just dislike your new stepdaddy
Don’t hate, he will get you a Christmas present!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I'm good with more presents.
I’d get him an econ book, but Texas Chief already handled that lesson below.
And technically it says Your Mom's Boyfriend.
So the way I’m readying that, he’s your’s.
Technically wrong
Not you, Mom’s Boyfriend up there.
I read what you said, which you singled him out as ’’Mom’s Boyfriend’’ which in context is you saying YOUR mom’s BF
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Until stating otherwise in context it reads as I said
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I personally think the other way on this
as with any transaction you must find the right partner.
In my opinion is will be easier for teams to trade down, pick up more picks and still get their guy, instead of like what happened to the Chiefs getting handcuffed into picking T Jackson that high due to being unable to trade back.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
That's not how it will be though IMO
Without the massive contracts, teams will want to jump up to get better prospects. Like the Steelers could jump up for an elite LT instead of waiting for the left overs, Pats could jump up for an elite CB, etc
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I totally see what you're saying
but I believe the big change is gonna be in the top 5 picks, I believe we will see a lot more trade action there.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
You are pretty much agreeing but saying you think its the other way
There will be more trades in the top picks, but they will cost more, that’s what we have been saying
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think this is a worthy topic for it's
own post, think we could get some decent discussion on it.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
You can do some research over say the last 10 years
The top picks, their contracts, any trades that happened, what the cost of the trade was and do it that way, however that history really will not help due to the new scale
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
exactly the opposite is true
With the rookie wage scale teams that WANT to trade up don’t have the double penalty of the cost of picks + the cost of some unreasonable salary.
Therefore, MORE teams are willing to make upward moves on draft day because the cost in $$$ is so much less.
More teams willing to trade up = more demand.
More demand = higher cost.
The only cost that’s not set in stone is the compensation in players and draft picks….
so… the cost in trades/draft picks goes UP, not down
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
In other words...
we should all hope teams fall in love with Griffin so Barkley can slide down the board towards KC.
you have that the wrong way around. try...
We should all hope teams fall in love with Barkley so Griffin can slide down the board towards KC
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Dec 10, 2011 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think RGIII's stock can go any higher
Most have him as the #2 or #3 QB, as high as he will go due to system
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Griffin will probably go to washington I think
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
They certainly need a QB.
Not sure he’s Shanahan’s cup of tea either though.
yes that will be a big question
he is not my cup of tea, and I would be surprised, but if available at our pick, chiefs might take him.
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Why is he not your cup of tea?
You believe he is a run first QB?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I see him going with Barkley over RG3
don’t you?
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Who? Pioli? Shanny?
Pioli.. no I see him taking the BPA which is RGIII
Pioli.. no I see him taking the BPA which is RGIIIShanny? Well he was known for his bootleg system, so it is possible he could value RGIII over Barkley
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Shanny
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
I havn't watched many Washington games to know if he is still using the bootleg system
So not sure
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Gotcha
Pretty sure Barkley could handle the bootleg.
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Not as effective as a more athletic QB like Cutler/Elway could
But yes Barkley does have some mobility
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
He hasn't used a ton of it in Washington, but that might be because he hasn't had the QB to do it.
Side note, I think Pioli is looking for a pocket passer. So no, I don’t think he’s Pioli’s cup of tea. And don’t feed me the BPA bs, Pioli and Haley have a system, they certainly take stuff like that into account when making a pick. They also consider plenty of intangible stuff, which might not make Griffin the BPA.
Please tell me why Pioli is looking for a pocket passer
No one has came up with a good reason for this.. Pioli got Drew, when he went down, Brady was there and worked out. Hell in NE Pioli and crew even took athletic QBs in the draft with Brady
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I guess the reason I think this is really a little more in depth than "not being a pocket passer".
The risk inherent with a Griffin type of player is sacks and turnovers (i.e. Vick). Those things are just more prevalent with a running QB. Now, by all accounts, Griffin actually has very good accuracy which would differentiate him in that respect from a lot of athletic QB’s coming out. I just don’t see Pioli and Haley wanting to take the risk of rolling with a guy who is going to give the ball away and take sacks at a higher rate than a guy who plays Brady’s style. Just my opinion.
Sorry your opinion just went out the window
RGIII is NOT a run first QB people need to realize this and quit saying ‘omg he is Vick’!!!
He is NOT like Vick/Young/Newton, he is a pass first QB who keeps his eyes down field when moving in the pocket/out of the pocket before running. Yes there are running plays called but that is due to the OC taking advantage of the weapons he has, normally football minds would love that idea, however for some reason that his a negative on AP
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say he's a run first QB.
I said he’s a running QB, in other words, a QB who gets out of the pocket and runs around at times. I don’t think that’s debatable. And inherent with those types of plays is TO’s. And like I said, Haley and Pioli have been pretty staunch on their idea of avoiding TO’s. Again, just my opinion and I think it’s a pretty reasonable one.
He has to move because his Oline is horrid
Yet keeps his eyes downfield trying to find a target before taking off, last time I checked even with running around he doesn’t have many turn overs
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
It's college man.
That will change in the NFL when he faces real defenses. You can’t possibly tell me that you think he will be a statue in the pocket when he gets to the NFL. He’s still going to break contain when he feels he needs to.
Yes and the fact he does not look to run FIRST says a lot about him
He is not looking to take off but to make a pass
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I don't care what he does first...
the fact remains he will run. And with those plays comes turnovers. I don’t see how you can argue that. Now if that’s necessarily Pioli’s view point I don’t know, I’m just reading between the lines. But at least acknowledge the point here.
Well wait.. Cassel doesn't move?
Or doesn’t run?
You make it seem like its a big horrible thing the guy can move, every QB moves. Look at Big Ben and being able to extend plays behind a meh Oline
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Cassel barely moves. He normally tucks the ball and takes the sack, preventing a TO. Big Ben on the other hand runs around and makes plays, but he also turns the ball over and gets sacked. I’m not saying it’s necessarily a bad thing or something I’m against, simply that Pioli and Haley have shown a propensity for guys who protect the ball and limit TO’s.
Cassel takes off now and then
He tries to move in the pocket, he can’t reset his feet quick enough.
I don’t see why being able to move is such a horrible thing, its not like you can not throw the ball out of bounds if you are running as opposed to standing still
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Again, I didn't say it's a bad thing.
It causes more TO’s which I think Haley/Pioli think is a bad thing. Follow?
And Cassel does not “take off” very often.
It doesn't cause any more turn overs than Palko
Again it’s not like RGIII is horrible with ball placement nor decision making, nor is it impossible to throw it out of bounds
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
I'm done trying to explain this to you.
If Griffin’s the pick than so be it.
I don't worry about turn overs on those plays
I worry about the QB being injured. If he is tough like Rothlesburger, then ok
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Which he will need to work on sliding/bulking up
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
RG III has very good accuracy?
Like when he overthrows wide open receivers downfield? Dude is way over-rated.
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No I just don't think he is elite
And if you are going to take a QB in the first round Elite is what you want, otherwise he only worth a later round pick
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Nooo cause then Stanzi wouldn't be ''Elite'' or have the upside of ''Elite''
to APers
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
how does that follow?
What I saw of Stanzi is a QB with a good arm, who is not as acurate as some people claim, and who sometimes makes bad decissions. Is he coachable, so far the answer must be no.
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Almost everyone on AP believes that Stanzi is the QBOTF and the answer etc
If he is just a ‘’later round pick’’ then that does not follow their logic
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
But I will admit, I didn't think Newton would be as good as he has been
nor Tebow
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Newton has started to settle down
Tebow will not last, unless he can fix his mechanics and start passing more often
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I had pretty low expectations of Tebow, but God seems to be on his side. lol
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
There really was not enough tape on how to defend the running game in Den
Most teams do not prepare for the option/read plays, now that will be scouted and you will see more teams forcing Tebow to pass, and I do not predict it to end well for Tebow no matter how many times he thanks God after a game
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
plenty of tape o how to defend it
college tape…
Here’s the base idea.
Assign the MLB/ILB to the RB. THat defener mirrors the RB no matter what, even if he doesn’t think the pitch/hand off will happen. STAY WITH YOUR MAN and DO NOT over pursue (get deeper than your man). Keep the guy in front of you and don’t ever leave your guy.
The DE/OLB to the side the QB’s rolls has contain/mirror responcibility on the QB. Stay with the QB at ALL times. Do not let them break contain. Do not over pursue in depth, and do not EVER assume the QB has handed off / tossed the ball to anyone else. Stay with your guy at all costs.
SS- Float across the field as the back up defender. DO NO COMMIT until you KNOW who has the ball (QB or RB). Under no circumstance are you to pursue past the line of scrimmage. FORCE the QB to make the decision BEFORE you commit. Your job is support tackling for which ever defender ends up with the carrier (MLB/ILB/OLB/DE). You make sure the tackle gets made within a yard or 2 of the line of scrimmage. DO NOT COMMIT until the ball reaches the line of scrimmage.
This most basic of systems means adding 1 player to the box (the SS).. and daring the QB to beat you with his arm. There are going to be one on one match ups in the passing game, and/or plenty of 1 deep zone. If the QB can truly diagnose defenses and hit his 1 on 1’s with timely accurate throws… it’s gonna hurt. But you don’t get beat by the read option run. Force them to throw it…. and take your chances.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Yes there is college tape
But it is exactly that OLD tape, the system is not the same, nor are the players
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
the system is the same
roll out the QB and wait for the contain man on the edge to COMMIT, and them do the opposite (keep/hand-off/picth)…
It’s exactly the same. The key to to the scheme is to have disciplined defenders that DO NOT COMMIT first. Force the QB to make his decision, and then stop the play near the line of scrimmage.
Like much of football, it’s all in the execution.
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the scheme takes away your defenses ability to create a lot of blitz pressure
You have to trade contain for pressure…and force the QB to beat you.
NFL defense don’t like to give up blitz pressure for contain, but that’s how you beat the read option.
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It's not the same
There are plenty of different plays/routes ran by DEN that were not ran in college with Tebow, the Oline in Den still has plenty of ZBS plays where in college they were a power scheme, you can NOT bring a college scheme directly into the NFL and find success. You do not get the speed/talent of the NFL in the collegiate level
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
yes, but the base idea remains the same
You put a player on the RB, a player on the QB, and a safety in the box..and you don’t commit until the QB makes their decision.
You force the QB to beat you with his arm by taking away the option to run/pitch the ball.
It’s slightly more complex of a scheme (the offense that is), but not enough to make it impossible to defend. The basic idea for the defense is exactly the same. Force the other team to commit FIRST…. before you pursue.
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No but until there is tape on how they are running it
It will be hard to defend, just like Cam in his first few games
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
it's been 6 games
there’s plenty of tape.
and even without the tape.. the base scheme is the same.
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The best thing to happen to Tebow is the Min game where he won because of his arm
Until you get enough tape to see the routes/contain/reads then there are still plays to beat you like has happened to most teams. They can stop plays they have seen but then get beat because they have not seen a play, a CB/S breaks coverage thinking its a run leaving a guy wide open.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Settle down with your Stanzi talk, BAMF.
I have not once seen an AP’er say Stanzi is the QBOTF. Not once. I have seen MANY AP’ers ask to see Stanzi play in a game so we (the Chiefs and their fans) can see what we’ve got between the lines. Not in practice.
We’ve seen what we’ve got in Palko, no? No problem saying he’s NOT the QBOTF. Can you really say that about Stanzi? No, you say the coaches see him in practice and must be absolutely correct in their assessment that he can not be any better on the field than Palko or Orton. Some of us don’t believe that, given what we’ve seen from him actually throwing the ball downfield, rolling out, taking hits…
Hey, we’ve got him on the roster. Play him, at some point, or cut him and go with, what? Some college dude that may never fall to our draft position? Good luck with that.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here are YOUR STANZI CITY CHIEFS!!
There are plenty of Stanzi=QBOTF comments on here
Thanks for attempting to call me out though
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
when we're mathematically eliminated
I’ve got no problem with putting in an ill prepared 5th rounder with no off season work to speak of that the coaches don’t think is really ready to play.
Of course… Orton getting injured pretty much screwed us royally. At this point, It’s not going to be worth even playing Orton unless Palko/Stanzi manage to beat the Jets OR Denver and Oakland both lose this week.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I hate the gun shyness of not drafting a QB
Will you miss from time to time: Yes.
But if you learn from your mistakes you can start hitting, just look at the Chargers.
Drafted the biggest bust in history: Ryan Leaf.
Followed that up with Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers.
Draft the QBOF the future Chiefs, please pull the freaking trigger on RGIII (my draft man crush)
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM CST reply actions
To invoke a cliche
If we never draft anyone we’ll miss 100% of the time.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
you forgot Eli Manning.
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Part of me wants them to draft a 1st round QB...
because as far as winning a Super Bowl within the last decade it seems to be more the rule than the exception.
But part of me also isn’t sold on this administration’s ability to evaluate QBs. Tom Brady is certainly elite, but he was also a nice surprise that fell into the Patriots hands by luck.
Other than Cassel...
what QB has this administration failed to properly evaluate? And even there I don’t know if I’d say they were incorrect.
Are you serious?
This administration hooked their wagon to Cassel day one. Yeah, so they didn’t re-sign the kid with the hot wife. Props for that.
Other than that, this administration is starting Tyler Palko, signed Kyle Orton for one play, and hasn’t made a decision on Stanzi other than not letting him play. Is that proper evaluation?
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It doesn't exactly take expert talent evaluation to know a QB with a hairband sucks.
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by saskwatch on Dec 9, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you could get brees for 2 #1 picks would you do it
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Yes
Won’t happen though
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yes and yes
Love me some Drew Brees, guy makes everyone around him better
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Winning teams are not in the business of trading their franchise QB
when they have no other viable option.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
question is, if you had Drew Brees would you give him up for two number 1 picks
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
ONLY if I had another potential franchise QB on the roster
The saints don’t, unless you consider Chase Daniel a franchise QB.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
they will franchise tag him 2 #1 are compensation
He will be on the market
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
You can trade for a franchsed player but the team holding the player has the chance to match the contract or trade him
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
And in the history of the franchise tag
I can’t think of a single example where that’s actually happened with a QB. Can’t use Cassel as an example, he was a franchise QB on paper alone.
Ok, so Haley does totally suck...
Doesn't mean it can't happen
Most teams lock up their star QBs not tag them though.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
A team can’t just swoop in and sign a franchised player. Even if KC somehow managed to convince Brees, NO could simply match.
His contract is up he will want to see what he's worth
the chiefs have the money or can give up the draft picks. NO can tag him, but still lose him
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Ignore the guy that made fun of you for not hitting reply.
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will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
exactly.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Sorry for asking to reply to the damn string the guy created.
Not to mention the fact that you’re arguing a point that’s incorrect.
whats that job pay
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
I still think brees is a legit option
Its either money talks or draft picks talk with brees and NO.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
The only way you're hypothetical situation works...
is if Brees blaantly comes out and says he wants to leave NO and won’t play for them. A player refusing to sign the franchise tender is really the only way around it. He’s not going to do that. End of story.
his contract is up and will become a free agent if not signed
If I was brees I would test the waters. No could match the deal, but if you are the chiefs you give him a deal No can’t match. If tagged by NO you give up 2 #1 picks to get brees.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Explain to me a situation in which NO does not match a potential deal.
I’ll give you a hint, it doesn’t exist.
you got a salary cap to deal with
who would of gave haynesworth a 100 mill contract
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
If NO had to match a deal that put them over the cap...
you don’t think they would cut other players before letting Brees just walk?
Different situation with the cap
You could pay to go over the cap before, now its going to become a hardcap IIRC
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
that tight 25 mill cap space in clark hunts pocket might finally help
the chiefs next year, in trying to sign a qb like brees. The chiefs have the most money under the cap .
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
but then again the chiefs have a problem with spending
money, thank god carl peterson is gone
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs are SETTING up for the cap floor in 2013
We have Bowe/Carr/Gilberry/Albert/Dorsey all coming up to contracts, along with others, and FA/Drafts
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Just to clarify, I don't se all of those guys coming back.
Not sure if that’s what you meant.
Just pointing out possible upcoming contracts before the cap floor is set in place
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Still can't believe we won all those SB's with Carl Peterson as well
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Dec 10, 2011 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
You are really not following here.
The Saints can MATCH THAT OFFER! And they will!
He loves NO
Loves that they wanted him in FA, loves the city, loves the coaches/team, and is highly reguarded in that fanbase.
He will NOT leave
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
His intrinsic value to NO is much higher than anywhere else.
your right great person and good for new orleans
but never say never
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Already did, quote me on it if you like
He will be in NO next year
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
You would think that the saints would of had a deal done by know on brees
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Like we would have our best WR locked up already?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
agree
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
In almost any other situation I would agree that there is at least some chance.
But not this on. I would say max there is less than a 1% chance he leaves NO.
better chance of hitting the lottery right
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Better chance of finding a QB in the draft.
Though that’s not looking overly promising right now either.
Give Cassel a line that can F#$%ing block and he is that Quarterback.
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"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Sorry no Oline in the NFL can hold back the rush for 30 mins for Cassel to make his reads
Has he progressed in that area? Yes. Is all the pressure/sacks the fault of the Oline? Oh hell no.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
It's not a big of risk to draft a QB in the ist round as it once was.
We could realistically draft, say Barkley, and still have ample cap space to keep Cassel and Stanzi. We would still have the security of a veteran, who I still think can be our franchise QB, although I am in the minority, if he can just display more consistency and utilize his strong group of WR’s, and yet, still create competition between the 3. We have the talent , and the mixture of veterans and 1st and 2nd year players, to compete next year, for the Big Prize.
I don’t want to throw away a season, based on using a rookie QB, who will likely be alot more inconsistent than Cassel is.
Cassel has played 3 full seasons, and led 2 different teams to records that did get them in the playoffs, or were good enough too. He was a Pro Bowl QB, last season, and was the QB who hrew the ball to Bowe, alowing him to lead the league in td’s, despite defenses generally throwing their best and most coverage at him. His play this season was based on a total team collapse, and having to adjust from a dominant run offense, to more of a passing offense, and yet another Offensive Coordinator and a new QB Coach, and I feel, a coaching staff that is guilty of not having the team ready to play football, to start the season, and who waited too long to make the necessary adjustments, on both sides of the ball, to utilize the talent they had. If I am wrong, there are 2 young QB’s, who both had really good college careers, and have the physical tools to be elite QB’s in this league..
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
by Racyman on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
racyman
you just reminded me of todd blackledge
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
put mims out there then
Go resign gaithers
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Give Cassel a line that can F@#$ing block and he is that guy.
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
This is probably what Pioli thinks
Which means Cassel will probably be our starter next year, with Stanzi as the backup, and our first round pick probably used on an OT
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Some good OT's in the draft this year
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 9, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I'm ok with going OT in round 1...
if they don’t like any of the QBs there.
Yep
And with all the tempting QBs and the teams that need QBs ahead of us, there could be some quality players available when we draft… but we’ll trade down, hopefully someone is still there after that
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Only Martin really
Kalil might go back, Reiff will likely go back.. I only see Kalil/Martin as upgrades to Albert at LT
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
An upgrade at RT still improves our O line and O line depth
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
RTs can be found all over the draft
I would go DeCastro over a RT in the first, but that’s me
Or CB if we lose Carr
Even WR is a possiblity if we lose Bowe
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think they'll go WR
I have a feeling Baldwin was Bowe’s replacement. With Breaston on the roster, Moeaki coming back, and McCluster around, there should be plenty of receiving options on the team already.
I could see them going CB if we lose Carr, but I hope they re-sign him. Maybe they just try to keep trading down to get extra 2nd and 3rd round picks to get a RT, ILB, and secondary and TE depth.
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 9, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
None of the above!
Andrew luck is the QB. You do everything in your power to make a better deal then every one else in the league and get that pick. The colts have peyton, need to rebuild anyway, and can move down and still get barkley or griffin. You cant put a price on an elite potential hall of famer quarterback. If you wanna win you give up whatever you have to for luck
by tyson_jackson who? on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions
elite potential hall of famer quarterback?
OMG… the hype is OUT OF CONTROL!!
Hall of Fame? Did you seriously just mention Luck and Hall of Fame in the same sentence?
He has yet to take a single snap ever in the NFL….and you’re going to call him a potential hall of fame QB?
By that measure, David Mims is a potential Hall of Fame QB. Let’s cut him, and then trade every pick we have for the next 3 seasons to get him in trade off Oakland’s practice squad. He’s just as much of a potential hall of fame QB as Andrew Luck.
Luck is a really good college QB that has all the markers to suggest his game can transfer to the NFL. Luck has a ‘better than most’ chance to have a good NFL career. Luck has a lot of potential…… and THAT’S IT! Can we all please take a breath and stop with the Perennial Pro-bowler, Multiple Super Bowl winner, the next Peyton Manning, Future Hall of Famer B.S.?
The guy could come into the NFL and be completely overmatched against defenses far more complex than he faces in college. They guy could get his big payday check and lose his damn mind, determination, and work ethic (like so many before him). The guy could take a shot to the spinal cord on his 3rd snap as a pro and never play another down. And YES… they guy could just flat out FAIL in the NFL. He has just as much potential to do ALL of those things as he does to win a Super Bowl, yet alone have a 10+ year career so good as to put him in the hall of fame discussion.
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Wait.. what?!
then trade every pick we have for the next 3 seasons to get him in trade off Oakland’s practice squad
You realize you don’t trade picks for PS guys right?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
yes, I realize this.
You realize that when someone tries to anoint a college player with a Hall of Fame tag before they every take a snap…. they are past due for some ridicule and sarcasm, right?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Noooo
Stanzi HOF chances>Luck HOF chances
Or at least going by AP love
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
actually, that's factually accurate too
Stanzi is a player with an NFL contract.
Luck is a college player.
Therefore Luck, at this point, has ZERO chance to be placed in the NFL HoF (as he is not an NFL player)
Stanzi IS an NFL player (and therefore has some tiny minuscule chance)
Which means that as of today
Stanzi’s HoF chances > Luck’s HoF chances
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Then again you did say before the ''every'' take a snap
Which technically Stanzi has not taken a NFL snap due to no regular season duty and no one keeps track of preseason
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Im not at all annointing him to the HOF
but seriously the nfl has become this QB heavy league you cannot when in this league. Im not saying luck is on a HOF track or anything but he has the potential to be an elite quaterback and if he became an elite qb then his chances of being a hall of famer are very very great( Brady, manning, rodgers, brees, rothlisberger). What im trying to say is that if pioli and his scouts agree with all the analysts and other people and really feel this kid is as good as everyone says he you do whatever you possibly can to get him. Whether its an entire draft or even 2 entire drafts if you feel its that good. Thats how valueable an elite qb is
by tyson_jackson who? on Dec 9, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Once again, BAMF, I don't get
your hatred for Stanzi. Show me ONE statement where someone proclaimed Stanzi in line for HOF honors.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here are YOUR STANZI CITY CHIEFS!!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Did you seriously just mention Luck and Hall of Fame in the same sentence?
To be fair, you mentioned “Multiple Super Bowl winner” and “the next Peyton Manning” in the same sentence. ;)
at no time did I connect those 2 things together
It was a list of the things that are being said by Luck fans about luck.
It wasn’t a list of a group of things that equate to Peyton Manning.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
My idea?
draft Burfict & grab Matt Flynn in free agency. done.
"me and matt cassel just fucked you up, dog."
No to Burfict
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I actually want Luke Kuechley
but I am sure he isn’t weak/strongside LB…..blah blah. Doesn’t matter.. Kid can play.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Why?
The boy can flat out play.
"me and matt cassel just fucked you up, dog."
He can't play
Dude is always over running plays/biting on play action/getting out of control
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Romeo could coach him up
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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I doubt that, I had hopes for him coming into this year
I hoped he could sort out a lot of his issues, but this year he has regressed.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
He is so nasty though
It would be sick lineup. Hali, Burfict, Johnson, Houston
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He would be on the bench quite often with all of his screw ups
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
IF you are talking about QB's
I would go with Barkley all day (even over Luck), I think he is gonna be the next Drew Brees, But if I were making the decision on draft day, I would go with Brandon Thompson DT/DEout of Clemson. I think we are on player away from transforming our D into and immovable force.
I think in rounds 2 and 3 we go OT, C/G or vice versa, Give Cassel one more year and better protection.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It just amazes me how many people wanna throw Cassel under the bus when the GLARING FACT of SHIT PASS PROTECTION stares them in the face.
Rec’d good sir!
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
It just amazes me how people would rather find 10 players to fit around Cassel instead of finding a competent quarterback.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Dec 9, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cassel is a Pro-Bowl QB
Say whatever you want, but there is no QB in football (except for maybe and I mean MAYBE Aaron rodgers) that can make up for the most important player on offense (Charles) and defense (Berry). It would be hard for any QB to get to the playoffs after that happens.
I really think that he was back on track after 0-3. I think he was injured after 4-4 and continued to try to lead his team until he couldn’t do it anymore. That is why his play started to decline and that is why next year he is going to light the NFL on fire.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
More excuses. His only good games are against terrible teams. That has not changed in three years. Time to end the excuses and find someone who can play QB.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
To each there own
But a real football fan knows that games are won in the trenches. You put aaron rodgers in at qb for the chiefs tomorrow and his play will decline dramtically.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Actually...
Out Aaron Rodgers in at QB for the Chiefs tomorrow, and I think we’re a playoff team. Our O-line is terrible and there’s no way he plays like he did in Green Bay, but we’d tear other teams apart with an Aaron Rodgers on this team.
It’s a complete hypothetical though, so I can’t say you’re wrong. That’s just how I see it.
Sorry bud, football used to be won in the trenches.
In the current NFL the game is won in the air.
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nope, its still won in the trenches
The team that gets tot he QB, and protects the QB, and can run the ball when they have to…. wins.
The team who’s QB is scrambling for his life every play, spends half the game laying in the dirt, never has a chance to go through progressions, and constantly gets hit while throwing the ball is not going to have much of a passing game.. and is going to have a lot of turn overs.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
How dramatically? Their o-line is more dinged up than ours, but even at 100% it isn't an elite unit. Rodgers just gets the ball out faster than Palko.
Their running backs are better than ours, but not by much. And I don’t see Bowe, Breaston, and Baldwin as significant downgrades versus Jennings, Nelson, and Jones.
With Aaron Rodgers behind center and our defense playing the way it has, Kansas City would be favored in every game left on the schedule.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Like your excuses for SHIT PASS PROTECTION?!
Why don’t you go stand behind that line and drop back for a few passes genius.
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Gee, what a good argument. You know, you’re right. Cassel IS a great quarterback! Thanks for convincing me!
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Didn't saqy he was. Just saying you ignore a glaring problem and that is our pass blocking capability.
Nice try putting words in my mouth J.
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
So, the fact that I think Cassel sucks means that I can’t also think that Richardson needs replaced. Who’s putting words in who’s mouth?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
You said I was right Cassel is great QB. I never said great. What I did say is that he gets the job done when he has time.
ANY QB behind this line would drop off in production.
Have a NICE day.
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"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Don't ever do that again Jcomp11!
I was cruising down the thread and saw that you said Cassel IS a great quarterback and the next thing I remember was the EMT’s putting me on the gurney and telling me I’d had a heart attack…j/k…couldn’t believe my eyes though. :)
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brian waters would of fixed the problem
will shields anyone
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
How about Warner? I mean he did lead the Cards to the big game without a running game?
Brees/Manning really have not had good running games, same thing can be said about Brady…
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I think it can be argued
That there are not to many teams that have what we have. Think about the other elite running backs in football right now, (AP, Chris johnson, Arian Foster) and with the exception of one (Foster) none of them have the weapons to complement them like we do. If the chiefs fix their o-line problem, they will be an extremely dangerous weapon that any QB can use.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I would go even farther to say we have the best defense of those teams as well
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know
The Texans are looking kinda scary right now.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
We have a much better secondary
Even with Super Mario, I would take DJ/Houston/Hali over their LBs
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
we got weapons at wr now, can't get um the ball
I hope orton can do a decent job
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
the problem is,
Charles might not be the same old Charles after his knee surgery. Same with Berry. They will lose some of the top end explosion.
by tenacious rdc on Dec 9, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Not really
Quite a few athletes have came back from surgery and ran faster times, and have said that the repaired knee is in fact stronger than the uneffected knee, and they have to learn to not over cut on the non repaired knee
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
Even with all of the injuries, I still think he had an off-season (blame the o-line,the lockout,whatever) but I still think he is a good quarterback. We have more glaring needs like getting rid of Dorsey. He is a great player but he will never be good in a 3-4 system. We need that one pro-bowler on the d-line, then we will be superbowl contenders.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 AM CST reply actions
We have Bailey and Powe from the last draft
They could see them as the replacements for Gregg and Dorsey
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I am not to big on either of them
I kind of like bailey but unles he bulks up, he should play at the OLB position. Powe is big, but not very intelligent.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Bailey is like 288+
HE IS NOT AN OLB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
He is 288 now
Coming out of college he was the same size as Justin houston
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
No look at the pictures side by side, he was bigger and thicker
Hell the Miami bio has him at ‘’Height / Weight: 6-4 / 285’’
Houston was 260ish in college, bulked up to 270 at the combine to show he could play 4-3 DE
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
what would you do with tyson jackson
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Believe Bailey would replace Dorsey in a trade/not resign
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Redo his contract
I would ask him to take a pay cut and reduce his role on defense
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
You might want to start watching the Chiefs D play
Tjax has been great this year and holding his blocks and getting better with his bullrush
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I am not saying he has not
But if you watch his overall game, he has flashes of brillience, that are followed by mental lapses.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Watch Dorsey, he has been much much worse this year
If you want to single someone out for bad overall play, its Dorsey. Has not been able to keep double teams, has not been able to beat 1 on 1s, etc
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I'm starting to see some upside in Tjax
he’s not getting blown of the ball as much and is getting into the back field
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
A lot of the improved LB/Dline play has been because of Gregg
Tjax is much better with hand placement and reading the play
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
True
If he does pan out I will be the first to admit I am wrong, really liked him coming out of LSU.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Thats funny, he never really showed the ability to be a 2 gap 5 tech in college
Yet you liked him coming out.. I’m curious why
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
He had the potential
He was a player that played DE and DT, he could be subbed into any part of the line. A versitile player gives you more options on defense. Thats why I liked him coming out of LSU. I just expected more
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
He played DE in a 4-3 front, did not kick inside often
He was a strongside run contain DE, not a 2 gap player in college. Not much tape of him in college that showed how he would work in this defense, and even Pioli said he would not be a major sack guy.. not sure what you expect
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
A 3-4 end
Isn’t a stat monster. Most of dlinesmen in a 3-4 are not stat monsters. But when Tyson Jackson was coming out of college there was the possibility of him play 3-4 end or 4-3 dt/end as a point of attack player and thats what you need on the d-line.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
He is what Pioli said he was expecting
A solid guy who eats the double teams, and does not put up flashy numbers. He is doing his job very well as of late
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
He is
but he needs to either do it for less or leave
he is not worth the money we are paying him, especially now that the new rookie pay scale can get us a replacement for less.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
We do not KNOW how his contract is set up, what bonuses are factored into the total amount
IIRC there was a huge chunk of Dorsey’s set up that he could only make if he was Superbowl MVP
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Tjax's salary
this year would dwarf any 3rd or 4th round pick we get from the draft. You can’t tell me his contract is expensive. He was a top 5 draft pick.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
We do not know exactly what he is getting paid
Like I said there are always bonuses in contracts to make them more team friendly, like I pointed out with Dorseys, or Gholston had a big amount for the first time he had a sack/forced fumble.. which he never had any
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
and TJax's play on the field would
dwarf any 3rd or 4th round pick we got in the draft for at least 2 seasons while they learn how to play.
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we are man up on the wr instead of 5 yards off the ball
I hate the bend but don’t break defense. Atleast it looks like romeo see the need to man up and play DE.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Our DE has to win games for us the rest of the way to
Have a shot at the playoffs. Playoffs Playoffs are you kidding me I just hop we can win a game. My classic melt down .Who said that. # 2 melt down is denny green
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Defensive ends or defense?
We are a bend dont break cover 3 zone base defense, not a man up and blitz base
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
yes but look what happens when the corners man up on the line
we are a better team
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
At times, or we have big break downs like against the Pats
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
couldn't cover the TE like most of the year againest NE
NE made adjustments the chief didn’t. I would rather jam the TE at the line than let him run free.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
When the big play to Gronk happened it was a man up/blitz play
DJ missed coverage, and it was an easy TD. We do not have the pieces in place to run a pure man/blitz scheme
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I like TJAX
But his contract is overpayed. He gets paid like an elite and he clearly is not.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares? We’re not spending the money we have so why do we need to cut back?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Well real fans
Support there teams by buying Chiefs merchandise. That money becomes Revenue the team spends, so in a way I do pay for his contract. We all do. But seriously more money means potentially landing a big free agent.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Again, they’re not spending the money they do have so why would they re-do a contract in order to have more?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Is carl peterson back again
I hope not
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
And, by the way, as someone who, as we’ve already decided, is not a real fan I spend an awful lot on the Chiefs.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Well that is a weird hobby
Supporting a team you don’t even like. I bet you are the type of guy that showers with swimming trunks.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
That's how most of the NFL players are
That’s what you get for picking in the top 3 in the old system, if you get a bust/bad player then you have to suffer from the contract.
Tjax is not a 4-3 DE nor a pass rusher, do not use that to evaluate him, watch his play. He is improving in his 3rd year which happens to almost all Dlinemen
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Hey I said I liked the guy
I just don’t think he is worth the money.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not a real fan like you, but Jackson’s had a great season.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I think it is less of great play
and more of on field opportunites. The chiefs defense has been on the field a lot this season.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Well you’re a real fan and I am not so I guess I better take your word for it.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Thanks
Its good when busters RECOGNIZE!!!!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
You are
such a troll
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
That means he will have to put on weight
even more weight than he is used to playing to be at the playing weight the chiefs really need him at if he is going to play 3-4 end
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry wrong he does not need to add weight
He needs to learn leverage, dude is maxed out on his frame and strong as an ox
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think weis did the best with working with cassel
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Bigger question will Haley be the coach next year.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
I think the next 4 weeks will tell
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
It won't
He has already helped bring the Chiefs back to the playoffs, and with all the injuries, he will be back
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
pioli didn't hire haley to begin with,
I think a bad 4 weeks could make pioli make a move, all Gm want to be able to pick there guy and not somebody else guy
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
the tought part is it was clark hunt who hired
todd haley
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Although I do not see us going after a qb, even though I would love it, but a sleeperr that might be there in the third round or so if none of those other options are avalible, would be brandon weeden, class act and good pocket qb
A 28 year old QB coming out of a bad system...
I would rather not
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Matt Cassel, when he has good receivers, a quality o-line, and a great running game to help take the pressure off, is capable of being a top 10-15 NFL quarterback.
But he’s never going to be Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees, or Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning. And, increasingly of late, you need that elite tier guy to win a Super Bowl.
It’s been nearly 30 years since Todd Blackledge, and the Chiefs are yet to have taken another first round quarterback. This is getting ridiculous. It’s time to get back on the horse. Thanks to the new rookie wage scale, it’s not even that big of a risk anymore.
I don’t want to trade for another 30+ year old quarterback like Manning in the hopes of winning a championship before their window closes. We got close with guys like Montana and Green, but it didn’t work. I don’t want to grab another promising quarterback who backed up a future hall of famer like Matt Flynn. We tried that with guys like Grbac and Cassel and it didn’t work.
Pioli needs to figure out who his guy is, and go get him. Getting Luck is probably pretty unrealistic without giving up the farm, but if he needs to trade up to get Barkley or RGIII, he should do it. And if that guy doesn’t work out, that will be unfortunate. But we can try again.
The Kansas City Chiefs haven’t drafted a 1st round quarterback in 3 decades and they haven’t won the Super Bowl in 4. There’s more to it than that, obviously, but that’s not a coincidence. It’s time to stop pussyfooting around and go find our guy. We’ve been seemingly so terrified of drafting another Blackledge that we’ve elected instead to sit on the bench since before I was born. Enough is enough. Let’s do this.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Coincidentally, Blackledge was drafted the year I was born.
Thanks for reminding me how old and irrelevant I am becoming. ;)
someone born in '83 is calling themselves 'old' and 'irrelevant' ???
Would everyone born BEFORE ’83 please assist me in gathering rope and duck tape to quiet this person? =P
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly
I wouldn’t give a shit if we drafted 7 punters and fielded nothing but punters and kickers for offense and defense, I will be a proud chiefs fan until the day I die!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Just cant see it
With our record, Luck, Barkley, and RG3 will be gone.
After them I would look strongly at Tannehill in 2nd or 3rd.
Otherwise without one of the top 3 QB’s falling in our laps we cannot take one.
We will have to take offensive line.
Something tells me Pioli is not the guy who trades up to take a QB. He is way too conservative. If anything Pioli would be the guy who trades his pick away to get more picks later on.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I sort of agree however I also think we have a good team in place to where we could afford to trade up if need be
A solid to great defense, getting Berry back next year along with Bailey/Powe/Houston all a year in the system.
A good WR group, a decent Oline which a RT would majorily help, and a good running game with Charles back.
We have the team in place to get a young QB and succeed IMO
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Can we trade up? Of course...
But WILL we? I don’t think so.
Pioli is Pioli….he is not a big gambler. Haley has ultimate faith in Cassel and Palko. It would be hard to get Pioli to trade up when he is not known for doing that.
I wished Pioli would trade up….I would LOVE having any of the top 3 QB’s
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have faith in Pioli spotting his guy and getting him
If he thinks its not a QB and goes with a OT or trades down or whatever, then fine. If it is a QB I want him to go get him, not settle for another player because the QB was gone 2 picks ahead
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Never know we moved up to get Moeaki
That has been a gamble…can that guy stay healthy.sigh
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Dec 9, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
we wasted too much money on cassel. Pioli will work him like a slave and make him pay u back in dividends
remember FA market, the more wins you have the more attractive you get.
So even though cassel might not get us to the SB, we need to get 9-10 wins per year to attract better FA
FA market will really be ours with all the cap space we have and the cap floor going in in 2013
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
yea but we're trying to look for high value FA.
they’re more likely to go with a winning team.
just because we have money doesn’t mean we’re attractive. A lot of these FA know that their career is going to end. Might as well join a SB team.
we’re basically FA bottom feeders
With the players coming back from injury, a lot of cap
We have a lot of good pieces and I’m sure Pioli can spin it as ‘injuries killed us’ type of season
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Well losing Charles/Berry/TonyM/Cassel
3 probowlers says a lot
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I used to play QB...then I got an arrow to the knee
by Chiefshero on Dec 9, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Oh you stop that
No Skyrim here
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Especially since it's a horrible port job
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
1.2 screwed up a lot of things including Dragons
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I was a bit disappointed with the final boss. Alduin was too easy
and main storyline was..ok
Most of the quests are dumb
Takes like 30 mins to complete the guild quests, Alduin was nothing.
The level scaling is still a hugeeee disappointment
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
skyrim was missing a lot of side-story missions
i.e. oblivion mage guild was about the return of the necromancer
etc
skyrim: fetch me this thing..me: why?…skyrim: because I say so
Skyrim:kill him..me:why?..skyrim: because I say so
Thats how most of the ''radient'' quests go after you beat the guild quests
All I can say is they should have released the CK by now.. Skyrim was overhyped by too many
Graphics are meh even for a port they should have put work in for the PC, the UI/controls suck due to not enough work, the dual wield sheathing animation is the same created by modders for Oblivion, for all the talk of better scaling it still breaks the game
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
The graphics were good (compared to oblivion)
But skyrim was too serious.
Oblivion had it’s crazy wild people.
i.e. oblivion dark BH, different ways to kill
skyrim:1 or 2 way.
and where’s all the creature. A bear, 3 colors. waith 3 colors
idc about the same stuff over an over again
where’s the minotaur? Where’s the evil people? Where’s the good ole fashion walking into the woods, see giant nirnroot, try to pluck it up, and get attacked by 10 AP trolls?
There are quite a few new ones, not sure how far you have made it through the game
If you didn’t mention them.
The graphics are not much better than Oblivions, still Dx9 due to consoles, a pretty new coat of paint but no where close to where they should be.
Giants/Dragons/Dragon priests/Draugr/etc are all new to Skyrim
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
the graphics are much better.... it's the console system that can't handle them... as usual
There’s a reason home video gaming saw it’s biggest explosion, not with the nintendo or sega, or sony, but with the home computer.
Even a 1/2 way decent home computer can draw 10 times the polygons, handle better texture mapping and pixel shading, handle a faster frame rate, and handle loading faster….
If you are playing the game for the entertainment…the console makes sense.
However, if you’re looking for the best graphics, best controls, and most immersive gaming experience…. there is no comparison between the console and the home computer.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
God, I really need to get around to picking up Skyrim.
But I’m poor, and I still haven’t finished Skyward Sword.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Fantastic. But different.
The controls are great, but you end up spending the first few hours of the game relearning how to play Zelda as a result. You definitely have to be prepared for the learning curve and not let yourself get frustrated initially. Once you get the hang of it, though, you don’t want to go back.
Aside from the controls, it has its pluses and minuses just like any game. The story is excellent, and (with the exception of the first one) the dungeon and level design is some of the best in the series. Thanks to the Wii’s rapidly aging hardware, though, some parts do feel pretty antiquated. Also, there’s not as much diversity in the game’s areas. There are basically only 3 regions in the game, and instead of continually going to new ones, you keep going back and exploring those 3 further. That ends up being both a good and bad thing, in my opinion.
All, in all, though, it’s definitely worth playing.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Torrents FTW
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Why? Is he going to buy us all tickets?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
wait, is the van the place he takes pictures of his junk to send to reporters? Does it look like this?
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
ehem . If i may interupt,
in the NFL they have these players that have already played in the league, they are what they call free agents. The chiefs can get a good QB in the draft, like DGBIII or Matt Barkley, and sign
Demetrious Bell OT bills
AND possibly
Carl Nicks OG Saints
Ben Grubbs OG ravens
I don’t know if some of you noticed we can draft a QB AND sign a free agent lineman. In the same off season, too!
And judging by our league’s lowest payroll, I’m not sure if Pioli or Clark know that, either.. Breaston was a success. Why couldn’t an o-lineman?
(disclaimer) i only spent like 5 minutes trying to find the FA’s contracts, they may be signed or in serious extension talks.
Bowes gone Fitz is in...If Haley is back for another year.
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Dec 9, 2011 1:09 PM CST reply actions
Dang
"Oh I'm Sorry I Thought This Was AMERICA"
by porkchop_sandwiches on Dec 9, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
That's an understatement.
I still can’t believe the contract they gave him.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Nice write up.
Couple things that come to mind for me. First, Peyton will be cut we won’t need to trade for him. And I’d bet my lunch money that RGIII doesnt get past Andy Reid who will be draft before us. I don’t mind Barkley but honestly my order of preference would be sign Peyton(or trade up to #1 regardless of what it takes if they keep him) and then go after Barkley if we can’t get that done.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
The Eagles will likely draft ahead of us.
But are we so sure Andy Reid will be there? Plus, after sinking 100 mil into Vick, I’m not sure they give up on him after 1 year.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Im not so sure its giving up on Vick as much as it is having an insurance policy for Vick.
Plus his contract was set up so that the guaranteed portion of his contract would all be paid for in his first two seasons(most of it in the first which is now over). If Reid is there is the question but I think if he is, then he doesn’t pass up on a QB like Griffin who fits exactly what Reid does best.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Robert Griffin III? If available.
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Dec 9, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not a big fan
but I’ll keep it to myself because the fanboys around here act like you called their mom a slut if you say you think RGIII isn’t all that great.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Not sure if the Eagles take another QB yet...
But I’m pretty sure Andy Reid is done in Philly at the end of this year. I think the “dream team” he assembled (and I don’t blame him) was a last ditch effort for “Super Bowl or Bust” and it’s a bust. I think he knew that going in that this would be his last year, and tried to get the best team he could possibly assemble, and it didn’t work out. I don’t see how he survives this year.
claritying
*I think he knew if he didn’t get to at least the NFC Championship, and likely to a Super Bowl, he probably was going to get fired.
I think Andy Reid is smarter than that.
Exactly how many examples do we need to prove that you can’t buy your way into the Super Bowl?
Has it EVER worked in the history of the NFL?
It was crazy to go out and add that many players that had never played together, and would never have a chance to come together as a team….. in a season with virtually no off season to speak of.
If it was Andy Reid’s doing to go out and blow all that money on all those players (many of them past their primes) with the thought process that he was going to turn them into a dominate team after 2 weeks of training camp… than Andy Reid is a bigger idiot that anyone ever thought he was.
I think it’s pretty clear that Andy expected to have another season with a full off-season program to build this team.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
PLEASE do not take another D-line with our first round pick.
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Dec 9, 2011 1:13 PM CST reply actions
I'd be okay with it if it was the second coming of Vince Wilfork.
But Im not sure thats available.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
just a thought
what do you think Palkos value might be in the current market. I think we could get a homely cheerleader and some nachos
I'd hold out for an ugly Cheerleader with big boobs, and extra jalapeno's on the nachos.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
not sure if this waa covered ( im not reading all these messages)
But i would love a Peyton Manning with a Stanzi option…
by CHIEFFAN82 on Dec 9, 2011 1:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Like most of you
I agree Cassel isn’t the answer. We should take Barkley, RG3 or Landry Jones. Even though Jones has some decision making questions much like Matt Stafford did look how he turned out and like Stafford Landry’s big arm can’t be denied. I think if we lose out on RG3 or Barkley getting Jones is still huge upgrade over Cassel. I mean we have Jim zorn as QB coach to groom this guy. So I think either way Chiefs has a ready made championship team once its upgrade its oline and QB.
Are you ready to have your mind thoroughly blown?
Peyton Manning will more than likely be cut, so IND can avoid paying his salary for the year. We sign him and draft an OT in the first round. I’m going to go ahead and assume that Jeff Saturday will go where Manning goes as well, either way we need to make a convincing offer.
With a Line like this
Draft pick or Albert/ Hudson/ Saturday/ Asomoah/ Draft pick or Albert
we’d be one of the least sacked teams in the league
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
All it takes is one
on that chicken neck they installed in Mannings body and we’ll be looking at Matt Cassel again.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Saturday is OLD
But I’d love to sign Garcon or Wayne (both are FA) hoping to lure Manning here (I don’t think Berry & Lilja will hurt either). I’d say sign one of those guys & franchise-trade Bowe.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Yes, sign your QB to one of the biggest contracts ever, and then CUT him outright when he still has $50 million more in GUARANTEED dollars to pay out
That way, when no one takes him off wavers (because they don’t want to pay his contract) … the colts are still on the hook for the rest of the guaranteed dollars..AND Manning gets paid by whatever team offers him a new contract as a free agent.
That makes perfect sense. It’s way more intelligent than the Colts TRADING Manning for some sort of compensation and getting out from under his contract, and Manning agreeing to restructure his deal ONLY for a team he WANTS to play for (thus giving him the same leverage in deciding where he wants to go).
Manning will be a Colt until he no longer wants to be a Colt. After everything he has done for that organization.. they will keep him for at least 1 more season if Manning/Colts believe he can play the position. If Manning doesn’t think he can come back….. he’ll retire and null the contract out of respect for the team. If Manning doesn’t decide to hang up his cleats, and he WANTS to be a Colt.. he will be a Colt in 2012…. regardless of who the Colts draft at #1
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by Texas Chief on Dec 10, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard that
RGIII is like Cam Newton with a bit more accuracy & little less run, don’t think you could ask for more from what I’ve seen from cam in his first year he has stepped in and been like a top 5 qb in the league as a rookie played unreal. I never really thought much about it, thinking we’d be going with cassel for a long time, but after his struggles this year & looking at this draft class I am on the bandwagon as well for a QB IF we can get luck/RG3/Barkley I say go for it; but don’t go after a qb you can’t be sure will be a very good qb in this league. And I don’t mind them playing behind cassel for a year or 2 either, although I know the fans will be all over the team if they dont put them in lol
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