Some recent thoughts on Team Needs
Given how the Chiefs have played recently, my perspective on team needs have changed a bit.
* ILB is NOT likely to be addressed in the first 5 rounds of the draft: Belcher has been playing pretty well, and I think the coaches really like him. I'm going to speculate that he sticks as the starter, and Siler is brough back for depth.
* NT may not be addressed in the draft at all: I'd like to see another DE/NT for the future... BUT, Romeo seems to have a way with journeymen DL, given the success of Smith and Gordon, so I am betting Gordon comes back, and/or they sign another mid-to-low level veteran to help out if needed
* RT is the biggest need on the team, period. I just hope Pioli/Haley agree and take a stud OT in the first 2 rounds of the draft
* Depth: people around here like to complain about a lack of depth on this team, but I think that's isolated to a few positions: Safety (big time) TE, and OL. There are young players developing at several other positions that will create depth across the board, as long as they address S, TE and OL in the draft.* RB may be addressed, but with a mid round pick, or a mid-level FA. I love the idea of a Ryan Grant in FA or Branden Bolden late in the draft
* QB is an obvious need... I believe this team is in the position to draft a franchise QB and put him in a great position to succeed. That being said, I won't be too suprised if they stick with Cassel/Stanzi next year
* the Chiefs have at least 60% of a good, young OL: Hudson, Asamoah, Albert. I'd be happy if they draft a LG/C, even if he has to sit a year behind Lilja... but again, RT is the priority. BRich will be a good swing-tackle, and Mims has some potential.
* another good TE would be HUGE for this offense. see: the New England Patriots. I think Pope should be done after this year, O'Connell is a ST player and blocker (at best), Becht has been blocking well, but that's about it. I'd get rid of Pope and Becht and draft a TE around round 3.
So, to recap, my likely draftable team needs (in order of importance and ideally, round in the draft)
QB
RT
TE
S depth
G/C
RB
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Who plays RT these days? It always seems like it’s the guys who aren’t good enough for LT. That said, I think we could always get one of them in FA. Which brings us back to the age old question about BA at LT. We might be primed to trade some picks for a top 5 QB or one that drops. Depth can be had in free agency. I think we need better depth on the lines. RB and TE like you mentioned.
I hear ya
I could see a FA acquisition for RT, and that’d be fine with me… or the ol draft-and-move-Albert would be OK too
Might be better to go for Nicks in FA and go for a RT in the draft
I havn’t looked at all the supposed FA’s yet but I have heard RT is not strong
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 7, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Carl Nicks is FA after this year
Big boy but can move
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 7, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I liked him when he was coming out in the draft
Only problem with looking at FA’s now is you never know who teams are going to re-sign.
Yeah however it does look like the RT class is going to be pretty weak in FA
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
the OT class is almost ALWAYS week in FA
with the exception of Gaither, teams generally dont’ let good OTs walk :)
they have to draft one
There are usually a good to decent RT in FA though
LT is less common, wouldn’t take much to upgrade BRich however it looks like Kalil is returning to USC so looks like OT in the first is gone
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think they'll continue taking the best player availabe at any one of the positions of need
I don’t think Pioli drafts based on most important positional need exclusively. So while just about everyone would agree that QB & OT are the two biggest needs, if there’s an ILB or G/C (for example) who grades out better at their position than any of the OT or QBs available, then that’s the route Pioli will go.
That said, I generally agree with your list…though I don’t think we’re going QB in the first round, there’ll be too many other good positional players still available. I would add ILB to your list though. Obviously DJ is incredible & Belcher is solid, but there isn’t much in terms of depth, and Belcher could use some competition.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I agree that BPA is (and should be) a big factor
so, the needs in draft-round order are never quite right.
I’m just guessing that they won’t draft anyone for the front 7 this year…
but, I’m often wrong :)
Yeah, I hear 'ya
It sure was a surprise to see Pioli draft an OLB in the 5th round (the guy on IR now) when he’d already drafted Houston, & Powe was still on the board. I gave up on guessing after that. Well, not really ;)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I almost gave up on LIFE after that.
That was rough.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
heh, I know
it’s like “Did Powe’s name plate fall off the draft board & nobody knows’ he’s still available?!?!?!”
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Hmm. Which positional prospects do you think would be more highly rated than RG3? Assuming he's available when we draft.
Just wondering if you think less of RG3 than I do, or if you think more of some other players.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I think RG3 is a great prospect, I just don't think he'll be there when we pick & I don't think we'll trade up to get him
But I think KC drafts in the 10-15 range & RG3 will be picked in the top-5.
Beside that, I’m holding on to my fantasy that Peyton Manning gets released be in KC next year ;)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
agreed
RGII would be amazing, but I think KC will likely be out of the running for the top QBs
which, to me, means they SHOULDN’T draft a QB at all
Well, not before round five, then a flyer's OK if there's value there.
Ya know, I’ve started calling him RG3. Keeps me from talking about his dad.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I still hope that Barkley comes out and dilutes the pool.
Plus, I’d be about as happy with him as with RG3. And I’m NOT opposed to a trade for one of those guys, unless we somehow end up in the bottom half of the first round for some reason.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I dont believe
TE depth is worth a 3rd round pick. Moeaki will be back and Pope is a solid back up. I’d rather snag another O lineman or a D lineman
I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.
by ChiefRoyal on Dec 7, 2011 1:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
UNLESS
The dude is Gronkowski 2.0 then all for it!
I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.
by ChiefRoyal on Dec 7, 2011 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Baldwin?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I hope Pope is done after this year
Seems like he’s getting called for a lot of penalties lately and I’ve never been overly impressed with him.
It would be nice to find another well rounded TE to pair with Moeaki (if healthy) to really open things up and give more options/looks for the offense.
Agree on pretty much everything, Stag.
Except using a mid- or high first round pick, which we’ll probably have, for a right tackle. Not on purpose. Tackles taken that high end up at RT only because they failed at LT. Wouldn’t mind using a second rounder on one, though.
I guess the exception would be if, by the time our first pick comes up, the clear best player on the board is an OT. But a need at RT should not enter the equation of how we allocate our first round pick.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I don't think that's always true
Tackles taken that high end up at RT only because they failed at LT.
some guys are just better suited for RT…
but, even so.. I’d be happy with a LT at that point in the draft, if it meant they’d be willing to move Albert.
either way, they NEED another OT… so, value-be-damned if the right OT won’t be there when KC picks next, they should take one
Value be damned? Never, my friend. N. E. V. E. R.
So saith the Pioli.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
really?
I’m happy with the picks, but Jackson and Baldwin weren’t tremendous value picks… they were need picks
the trade down made Baldwin a good value, but he was a late first/early 2nd guy either way
Of course, it's hard to get a value pick at #3 overall ;)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
And of course you realize, you just proved my point by turning Albert into a failed LT.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
not exactly
it’s just a good problem to have, 2 starting quality OTs… one has to play on the right side
This
And I think Albert is one of those guys who need to be pushed constantly to play at his best . I think his improved play is at least partially due to having Gaither looking over his shoulder.
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I agree on all points.
Of course, if Gaither would have settled in at RT on our team we would be looking at one less need.
Maybe they are so impressed with Mims that they were more concerned with protecting him than keeping Gaither
I can only hope. He’s obviously got the physical attributes, so it’s not that much of a stretch.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
hope so
that’d be a nice find… UDFA-to-starting-RT
I also think they have something special in Bair… they haven’t once exposed him to waivers or the Practice Squad… even though he’s inactive, I think they really like what they see in him
Maybe they see Keisel in him.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I missed most of the Monday night game. How'd he look on runs? I remember we were talking about that awhile back.
I did notice in the few plays that I saw, it seemed SD shifted their run attempts from the outside to the middle and had more success….
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I know Belcher is playing ok..
But I still like an ILB..Donta Hightower (if he is still there) in the 2nd..I think when Belcher tackles the runner still goes for a couple of yards..plus he can’t blitz and still seems to be out of position often..I think the def lacks an intimidation in the middle..tackling etc..
Thats just Opinion.. several will say “Donta , won’t be there in the 2nd”..wait til all the juniors declare…Kevin Sheppard and Martez Wilson fell to the 3rd last year..
Sounds about right..
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 7, 2011 1:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Where is this Belcher is solid crap coming from?
I just don’t see it, he still can’t shed blocks well, misses tackles regularly and can’t cover passes to save his life. He’s a liability every time he steps onto the field and DJ is constantly cleaning up for him, he’s more likely to “save” plays 10 yards past the LOS then he is to make plays on the LOS. I’ve seen no real change in this at all this season so color me surprised.
He lays the wood for once this season on Marion Barber, and now he’s a solid player and doesn’t need upgrading? Makes zero sense to me. Its just like a few weeks ago when Battle was the hot ticket. He looks okay for a few games, and then he’s a “Solid” player and the position doesn’t need upgrading. Even though he still showed me reasons why the RB needs upgrading, absolutely zero burst into the hole at 240 Lbs for instance.
Belcher in his role is okay to below-average, but he limits Crennel in his play-calling because he’s not versatile at all. Which limits our defense as a whole. We can easily find someone who can fill his role and then some in the draft or FA and I say we take them.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
I'm still of the opinion that
an upgrade to Belcher is a nice-to-have… not a must-have
I swear I’ve read some good press on Belcher recently,
but, mostly I go by what I see… and that’s a SILB that’s not a liability
you can’t usually get 4 all pros at the 4 LB positions… KC already may have 3 of the 4…so having an average player at the 4th LB spot works
I don't want 4 all pros
I’m very much a supporter of drafting either Tank Carder or Hightower in the upcoming draft, and I don’t think they’d ever become all-pros in this league.
But they are both easily upgrades over Belcher, and I say if you can find an upgrade you take advantage.
And how is Belcher not a liability? He can’t cover worth a lick, that’s a huge liability especially since we run sub-packages 50% of the time.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 7, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
My main concern
is that if DJ were to be injured, the D would crumble the way it did for a while when Berry went down without more depth there. As WarPaint says, the drafted guy wouldn’t even need to be a great player, just an improvement over Belcher.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
yeah, right, like one of KCs best players would ever get hurt!
I guess I see Siler as Belcher’s equal, and I’m hopeful Greenwood will develop as well
I'll have to wait and see what they do with Carr and Bowe
before predicting draft needs, because if either or both leave they will need to be replaced.
"Toby has been cruising for a bruising for years, and I am now his cruise director. And my name, is Captain Bruising."
Stag- I agree BUT
there are some Stud ILB’s in thisdraft.. Id have to take one as well
- Add ILB and I pretty sure we have ageneral consensus of what we need…
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
there are a few that would be fun to watch
I like T’eo, personally
But, it’s pretty obvious that this offseason shoud be offense-heavy
by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2011 5:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would have
QB
RB
OT
G/C
Safety Depth
TE
RB is higher than OT because Barry Richardson is so useless that you can plug in anyone and that will upgrade the line, even more so when Wiegmann retires next season because we won’t have to see him continually get pushed around anymore when Hudson fills in for him. We don’t need to get Offensive Tackle very high in the draft, we could wait until the 3rd or 4th round to find a tackle and still see a significant improvement on the line, it’s one of those cases where the line will end up fixing itself by the process of elimination with minimal addition.
I think a back to pair up with Jamaal Charles that is just as explosive as he is, is a more pressing need than offensive tackle. Getting someone to replace Barry Richardson is a whole lot easier to replace than the production we’ll be missing when Jamaal doesn’t come back from his ACL injury the way people think he will. It was already said that by the halfway point of this season, all three backs we have barely have half of the production Jamaal Charles had at that point last season. Would Ryan Grant, who even when he was producing for 2 seasons for Green Bay was never really that great and is now even worse, and a change of pace back with an injury history (Brandon Bolden) make a difference at all?
Besides that I’m fine.
I just generally think that RBs are a dime-a-dozen...
plug and play if you have a good OL
but, I’d be very happy with a Taiwan Jones-type pick in the mid rounds of the draft to backup JC
Stags...
are you secretly the GM for the Chiefs? I mean, Stags, would you please become the GM of the Chiefs?
haha, yeah right
Seems like I am wrong more than I am right
But I appreciate the sentiment
by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2011 5:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well done stags
Agree for the most part.
I do think they’ll look at an ILB either in the draft or FA. I like Belcher, but an upgrade would be nice and unlike some, I don’t see Siler as that upgrade. I personally don’t think he would have made the team this year if he hadn’t gotten hurt. He didn’t impress me at all in preseason and he was running with the 3’s and 4’s if I remember right.
I mostly agree on the NT, though I won’t be surprised if they go out and find someone to replace Gregg (if he’s not re-signed). Hopefully Powe steps up to be the force I expect him to be, but he’ll still need someone to spell him. Though if Bair steps up (I like him as well), that could free up Gordon to just be NT depth.
I’m starting to think Hudson may be the LG of the future, so they’d still need a center, unless they have faith in Harris on the PS. I could very well be wrong. It could simply be a case of him being able to play both spots so he’s just filling in where needed, but I almost say if he’s comfortable there, leave him there.
I wonder, if Cassel has a perfect O-line
would that be good enough for this team to be very good? I’m not saying I want Cassel but I think he is capable if the circumstances are right. Just look at the 49ers. Lots of defense and feild goals.
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