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Good morning! Welcome to Arrowheadlines where we have your Kansas City Chiefs news from across the internet. We have some good stories and stats on KC's defense and at least one NFL analyst thinks that squad may have what it takes to stop the Packers. Enjoy.

The Chiefs are suddenly getting superb play from their linebackers. That's nothing new for Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali, but rookie Justin Houston, who had three sacks, and Jovan Belcher, who had seven tackles, had perhaps their best games of the season.

Houston's play has steadily improved since the middle of the season.

Haley Says Chiefs Coming Around On Defense from KC Star

Brian Urlacher pulled Todd Haley aside after the Chiefs 10-3 victory in Chicago on Sunday afternoon. He'd just stood on the opposing sideline and witnessed, firsthand, what Derrick Johnson has been doing all season long...

...Johnson's play this season is head-turning because of its consistency. He's making all of the plays. Not just the game-changing plays, but everything in between as well.

"When Urlacher gets me after the game and says ‘that number 56 is something else' you know that's saying something," Haley said.

Derrick Johnson On Pace To Shred Chiefs Single-Season Tackle Record from The Mothership

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NFL.com Video: Chiefs With Blueprint To Beat Packers?

Quarterback Kyle Orton made a brief appearance in the Chiefs' locker room during the period when it's open to the news media. The index finger of his passing hand, injured in Sunday's win over Chicago, was bandaged, but there was no cast.

Chiefs Buzz: No Cast On Orton's Finger from KC Star

Q: What about Tamba [Hali], will he be ready for this weekend?

HALEY: "Tamba is a warrior, a true warrior and I think sometimes you take it for granted the punishment he and others put on his body and you take it for granted because there he is on Wednesday again out there stretching and fighting through the agony and pain but then practice the whistle blows and there he is going full speed again and then no matter how beat up he is during the week when it blows on Sunday he is something else. I try not to take it for granted but it easy to fall into that trap. But Tamba's pretty beat up but I didn't see anything that alarmed me anymore then other weeks other then some blood dripping all over the place."

Q&A With Todd Haley 12/5 from The Mothership

The Chiefs' passing offense still needs to get better. Tyler Palko improved in his third start. With Kyle Orton dealing with a finger injury - he was injured after his first pass as a Chief, Palko may get further chances to improve. Kansas City has to score more points.

Kansas City Chiefs: Moving On from ESPN

Jets running back Joe McKnight, who leads the NFL in kick return average, has a hyperextended right elbow that could sideline him for the team's next game against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Jets' McKnight Uncertain vs. Chiefs With Hyperextended Elbow, Tomlinson's Knee Should Be Fine from The Washington Post

Members of the Chiefs Community Caring Team will once again visit a local KFC in advance of a special fundraiser benefitting First Downs for Down Syndrome (FDDS). The appearance will take place at the Raytown KFC (9924 E State Route 350, Raytown, MO 64133-6519) this Tuesday, Dec. 6 from Noon (12 p.m.) - 1 p.m. Together, representatives of the offensive line and cheerleaders will sign autographs, pose for photos and remind KFC patrons of a special promotion taking place one final Friday this season.

Chiefs And KFC Continue Support Of First Downs For Down Syndrome from The Mothership

Not that the Bears didn't do plenty to deserve to lose-to drop them to 7-5 and leave their playoff hopes reeling-but when a weak opponent throws up a prayer and it's answered, it means that God's not on your side. You'd almost rather be truly snakebit.

Without God On Your Side from The Chicago Reader

What a genius Todd Haley is. Once again, he went with Tyler Palko as his starter, only to watch the vagabond lefty go 4-of-5 for 27 yards and two sacks in the first quarter. (It looked worse than it sounds.) Finally realizing the error of his ways, Haley began the second quarter with Kyle Orton under center, only to see Orton bang his throwing hand on a defender's helmet, dislocating the forefinger. Re-enter Palko.

Instant Impressions: Week 13 from ESPN

"We took it like clockwork," said Horn, a receiver who played 12 years with the Kansas City Chiefs, the New Orleans Saints and the Atlanta Falcons and who says he now experiences bouts of dizziness and blackouts. "They don't meet with you to tell you what will happen five years later. Had I known that there were going to be complications, I wouldn't have taken the shots."

N.F.L. Sued By Ex-Players Over Painkiller Toradol from The New York Times

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The Chiefs’ passing offense still needs to get better. Tyler Palko improved in his third start

This drives me crazy. Palko was no better than the 2 weeks before, in fact I think they moved the ball worse. The TD was on a fluke play, and the only reason he didn’t throw 3 Int was that the defense couldn’t hang on to the ball.

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by saskwatch on Dec 6, 2011 6:20 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

All true

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Hadn't heard that had happened with Urlacher talking about DJ to Haley

That is pretty impressive that he is catching the eye of one of the best in the league. What a turnaround story for DJ the last two seasons. I had wrote him off after 2009. Uh oh, cue Aiken to tell me I’m not a real fan for not believing
:-)

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 6, 2011 6:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

He was giving MAXIMUM EFFORT and you showed no faith?

You're a terrible fan

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Dec 6, 2011 6:24 AM CST up reply actions  

If you recall...

I shared much the same sentiment about DJ that you did. Haley is much smarter than both of us, yes?

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Dec 6, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Except when it comes to Gaither, apparently...

Although one game doth not an argument make I suppose.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 6, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Jury is still out on Gaither

wait a couple more weeks and then decide.

Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.

by Hoochdawg on Dec 6, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Has Aiken really ever told you that you're not a real fan?

Or are you willfully employing a fallacy for dramatic effect?

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

He did me.

Shrug.

"Tyler's our starter." - Todd Haley

by Tarkus on Dec 6, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

me two

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by LadyChief on Dec 6, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Love It!
“When Urlacher gets me after the game and says ‘that number 56 is something else’ you know that’s saying something,” Haley said.

by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 6, 2011 6:26 AM CST reply actions  

Me too -

DJ is playing like the true leader of this defense!

Angry Red, 'nuff said.

by chiefsfan62 on Dec 6, 2011 7:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

oh yeah, a true genius among the great football minds of the ages ...
What a genius Todd Haley is. Once again, he went with Tyler Palko as his starter, only to watch the vagabond lefty go 4-of-5 for 27 yards and two sacks in the first quarter. (It looked worse than it sounds.)

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 6, 2011 7:29 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

It's funny

All the quotes dealing with ata-boys & whatnot, you and I look at the most alarming one of them all.

This should be telling & concerning.

ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 6, 2011 7:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Because it's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to notice after a win

And I don’t see the logic in saying Kyle Orton is ready to go after 10 days of part-time practice in the system, but Stanzi can’t be trusted with the football after 15 weeks (including training camp) with the team. The guy ran a pro style offense really well for three years in college, so please Haley stop the BS about him not being ready for the NFL (he’s certainly as ready as Tyler).

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I really think it's "company policy" with offensive rookies. Hell, any rookie.

Studie had to prove himself to be unqualified as a starter before being subbed out and eventually replaced at OLB, and that took 1/3 to half a season.

Baldwin, injury or not, was babied into the system. Why…? He should have been cramming the playbook for three months. Granted, it takes a LOT to get a wideout in track in the offense, but he had a huge mental head start.

Hudson. Weigs is basically dead, baby. Like, “Weekend at Bernie’s” dead. Why isn’t he on the field?

And last year…if Tony Mo hadn’t shown himself to be an otherworldly talent when healthy, he’d have part-timed it too (he was 2010’s Justin Houston). Otherwise, look….Asamoah sat a year…

If so, I really expect Stanzi to be competing to be #2 next year, if not getting some throws to see if he can’t be #1. Looks like that’s the way of it in KC.

Note: I am much more comfortable in an ordinary year, taking time with a QB than a wideout or lineman. But this year is proving to be a little extraordinary, right?

"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."

-Bill Muir

by go_saleaumua on Dec 6, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

go-sal, you're right to a great degree, but still ... jmc has a point: how can Stanzi NOT be as "ready" as Orton or Palko?

I mean, he HAS been looking at the same playbook, yes? practicing the same plays? practicing with the same team? sitting in the sam,e meetings? he DOES know what a football is, yes? (or is the NFL pigskin THAT DIFFERENT from the NCAA model?)

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

I get the feeling that Haley is too insecure to adjust once he’s made a decision. I mean, what if Stanzi comes out and plays well? Everyone would be saying “Why the hell didn’t you put him in three weeks ago?!?!? We could have another couple wins!”. But if he waits ‘til next year & Stanzi plays well it’ll be due to the full offseason of work. I also think this is why he prefers to have people like Weis and Muir running the offense as opposed to a younger guy like McDaniels.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Dec 6, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

more to the point: if we wait til next year and Stanzi is horrible then, we'll have wasted all this time finding out if he really is or isn't the QBotF

who knows, but let’s see something from him, for better or worse …

you know, skills deteriorate if you don’t put them to use, just as muscles atrophy if they aren’t used (like my brain, for example)

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 6, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

So, your brain is small?

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by LadyChief on Dec 6, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

just old, rarely used and wrinkled ...

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 6, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

No one said I disagreed with either of you :)

"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."

-Bill Muir

by go_saleaumua on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

TRUTH, the really ironic thing is that you and I, after all the going around and around with each other when I first got onto AP, a year ago (and since) we've been in agreement on a LOT of things

who knew?

amd agreed … how can that “genius” label be applied with a straight face?

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 6, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd call Haley more super-hit or super-miss

Doesn’t seem to be a middle ground with him.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 6, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Who ever, with any seriousness, called Todd Haley a genius?

A good football coach, yes. A good head coach? The jury is WAY out on that one. Way, way out.

…seriously, when did someone attach that tag to the guy? Inquiring mind waht to know.

"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."

-Bill Muir

by go_saleaumua on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

The Chiefs are being rewarded for

their patience with DJ.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Dec 6, 2011 7:30 AM CST reply actions  

He is a stud now

Did you not see that TD pass he threw? He will get a 60 million dollar contract at the end of the season.

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I never was all that high on DJ

but after the performance he turned in last season and now what he’s done to improve this season…the guy absolutely deserves a Pro Bowl nod. My hat’s off to DJ. I don’t think a higher compliment can be paid to him than one of his peers, one of the best, to pay a compliment like Urlacher did.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 6, 2011 7:47 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah I'm with you on that one.

I was afraid to get too attached to DJ because he was just so inconsistent before. So much talent displayed in quick flashes, then he’d disappear. I figured he was going to be another one of many " what if" stories of unrealized potential.

I’m so glad I was wrong. The guy is fantastic and we’re really fortunate to have him. Honestly I think we don’t give him enough credit at this point just because he’s been so consistently good, we’ve come to expect it, and in turn – take it for granted.

Especially with Berry out for the season, DJ stepping up and being a real leader on the defense has been absolutely huge.

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by TRSChief on Dec 6, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

sad to say

but did the Eric Berry injury is helping the d whether we like it or not

by Harvey Hurtado on Dec 6, 2011 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

Which means we're going to be effing incredible in 2012 on the defensive side of the ball...barring major injury.

And if we show Carr the money. I really think we need to keep these corners together.

"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."

-Bill Muir

by go_saleaumua on Dec 6, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, if Pioli can keep the group together & continue adding depth

it looks like a dominant defense for the next 4-5 years. It’s about damn time too.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Dec 6, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Carr is going to get a very attractive #2 corner offer.

If someone tries to recruit him away to play #1 corner I don’t see us getting into a bidding war. Seeing how we handled Shaun Smith gave me the impression that Pioli pays players who earn a raise but won’t offer more than he thinks is reasonable.

by Aesthetist on Dec 6, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Which I'm completely okay with.

I’d like to see Brandon stay, but he can be replaced. Jalil Brown, despite his obvious rookie issues, is the same size and build as Carr. And he has a better football IQ. Carr has always been labeled as being more athlete than football player. Raw ability and such. At least, that was his scouting comments. Sure he’s grown as a player and has literally almost the same stats as Flowers. But I don’t see getting in a bidding war. I can see this team paying one CB and continuously drafting a CB every two years at least. Not a bad system for your budget.

Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.

by Falcon58 on Dec 6, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Who told you this?
And he has a better football IQ.

College scouting reports become invalid after four years in the league.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Does the 'transitional player' tag still exist?

If so I could see both Bowe & Carr being tagged & either work out fair long-term deals or be allowed to leave after next season. It’s not like the team is pushing the salary cap, so there’s no reason not to keep both of them.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Dec 6, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Shaun Smith was overhyped.

Amon Gordon, who unlike Smith isn’t on IR, has been cheaper and i would say more effective than Smith ever was. Smith was a fan favorite on this site, but did not carry as much value as Brandon Carr. I would not relate the two when talking contracts.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

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