Chiefs Reportedly Hope To Bring Kyle Orton Back Next Year
by Joel Thorman on Dec 30, 2011 12:28 PM CST
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A few weeks ago I was on 610 Sports with Danny Parkins and he asked me which quarterback I thought the Kansas City Chiefs should bring back next year -- Matt Cassel or Kyle Orton. My answer was both of them. Why not stack the most important position in sports with as much talent as possible?
As it turns out, an Orton vs. Cassel training camp battle is indeed possible next year. Michael Lombardi of NFL.com reports that the Chiefs "will make an effort to sign [Orton] this offseason" and have him compete with Cassel next year.
Chiefs interim coach Romeo Crennel certainly sounded open to the possibility when asked a couple weeks ago about Orton's chances of sticking with the Chiefs beyond this season.
The question is whether Orton wants to return to KC. Reasons not to come back would be A.) more money elsewhere and/or B.) better opportunity elsewhere.
The Chiefs have the capability, as far as the salary cap is concerned, to throw a competitive offer at him. And it'll be interesting to see what kind of offers Orton has this offseason, and whether beating out Cassel in KC may be his best shot at a starting job.
So this tells us that this Week 17 game has a lot of importance. Orton will only play in three games for the Chiefs this year so every game on which you can evaluate him is an important one.
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HA!
Everyone was saying we wouldn’t keep both. Why not keep them both? Cassel has a friendly contract and if one goes down we actually have a quality backup. Also if a team gets desperate we might be able to trade one for a pretty high value. May the best man win.
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I wasn't saying we wouldn't keep both.
I think it’s a great idea to try and sign Orton. Lots of people say he’s the same as Cassel, but the eye test says otherwise…
rec’d!
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I don’t know how people ever said they were equal. Clearly Orton goes through progressions better and is more accurate and has a better deep ball. Ball security may be an issue, but I’m sick of watching a QB play to not lose. I think our defense can handle a few turnovers better than consistent 3-and-outs. With another good draft, and our injured starters coming back, 2012 could be a lot of fun. Viva la Orton!
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That depends
on which time period you cherry pick.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Dec 30, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
though i've tried to forget it
i seem to remember a cassel pick that cost us the first SD game.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
DUDE!
where you been, man? good to see you :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I know. I was just being snarkastic.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
If I rem
From ESPN.com
Orton has had 30 picks since 2009 and 50 TDs. He also had 4 fumbles.
Cassel has had 32 picks since 2009 and 53 TDs with 11 fumbles (9 in 2009 think he only lost a couple though)
I think ball security they are about the same. Only difference is Orton has gotten better with it since his rookie year where he had a lot of interceptions and fumbles.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Agreed!!!
I am sooooo sick of the 3-and-out game that Cassel plays. Orton has proved that he can move a team 20 to 20 with regularity. I know the issue with him is in the red zone, but with a better OC, and a healthy JC, that could be rectified in a hurry.
20-to-20 more often means our D gets a consistent breather, and makes them more effective. I am so ready for Orton to be our starter, IF he and Cassel are the only two options we are delt with.
Well, not everyone was saying that
Many thought we wouldn’t keep both.
Many thought Orton wouldn’t want to come into that situation
Many others thought they would sign Orton and trade/release Cassel
Others thought they would just ride the Cassel train.
Others have thought we would go for Luck or RG3
Others have thought Jeff George would come out of retirement and lead us to the promised land
So, “Everyone” didn’t say that.
Ok, it’s Friday, I can’t help but be a smart ass.
I do like the idea of having both though, and the ability to trade one if needed. I think Orton wins that battle easily though.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Indeed both QB's have flaws but have shown that with the right weapons and PASS PROTECTION, they can both get the job done.
Build the O and D lines with studs and we will be a powerhouse next year with our talent at skill positions and great secondary, i.e. get a contract done with Carr Pioli!
"...and we're gonna be ready for them"!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck".
Some of the best
news I have heard in a long season…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I think 2011 has taught us that having a quality backup is key
I think Orton would start IMO over Cassell and Casell would be relegated to b/u duties again.
Where he should have been ever since he got here...
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 30, 2011 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah we should have started Croyle. YOU ARE A FOOTBALL GENIUS!!!
"...and we're gonna be ready for them"!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck".
^This
Let’s not get caught with our pants down again with no backup.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
My Hope
If we keep both is Orton marches us down the field and Cassel takes the field in the red zone.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
If you have two quarterbacks, you don’t have one.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think the quote is "if you have two starting quarterbacks ... "
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
+ a starter.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
What's your problem with Stanzi?
Bring me some substantial reason Stanzi can’t play well in the NFL. Back it up. Don’t just say “fifth-rounder.”
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
How about you give me a reason he can
Dont say Tom Brady… I have more of an arguement because he hasnt seen a real NFL game… That is all I need. I bet you must think Mims could be a stud RT and Powe is the next Wilfork???
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I never call Stanzi the next Brady.
However, if you look at his body of work in college, you look at a high completion rate, a decent TD/INT ratio, and an Orange Bowl victory. You see a 6foot four inch body at 230 pounds, mobile, with a good arm and improving accuracy (according to RAC).
Those are NFL qualities. It’s not so easy to just laugh him off. Show me your stud college QB that has 3 years in a pro-type offense with a major BCS bowl victory and the prototype NFL body that you think we should draft this year and throw on the field with no development.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
It's funny how you cite all of his college qualities, EXCEPT his draft position.
That also is a statement on what he did in college.
He has just as good a chance to succeed as any other rookie. Which is around 50/50.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Oops, did you just say
ANY rookie’s chances are about 50/50? So, we should give away a ton of draft picks to move up and pick a guy that might have a 50% chance of working out?
Draft position is not the only key to success in the NFL.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Yes, I agree with all of that. Even the attempted sarcasm.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He was lowered in the draft because of the Combine.
This accuracy of the combine scoring can be argued either way so I am just pointing out that this is the reason he was picked late.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
He was lowered in the draft because
32 NFL GMs and their large, highly experienced and highly paid scouting staffs thought he shouldn’t have been drafted earlier.
I know it’s all subjective, but I trust those 32 GMs + scouts more than I trust my own opinion. And definitely more than I trust an Iowa fan’s opinion.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Dec 30, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've got no problem with whom you trust.
I was asking KSU-Chief why he laughs about Stanzi being on the roster.
I believe one GM and highly paid scouting staff saw enough value to draft him and one petulant HC chose to not even begin to develop him, and another who moved him up to #2 on day one of his interim job…
Trust whoever you like, but to fantasize about some sure-shot-soon-to-be-great prospect that we probably aren’t in the position to draft anyway while simply writing off a QB on the roster without even giving him a chance is short-sighted at the very least.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
I agree, Stanzi deserves a shot ... just not necessarily that he should handed the starting job on a silver platter
that said, he needs more time to develop … toss him out there “cold” is asking for trouble for the team AND for him
if he’s good enough to hang another year or two or three and continues to learn and develop, etc, then sure … he could very well be our guy
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Dec 30, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's funny how Stanzi is an NFL reject because of his draft position, while Powe and Houston are "steals" that have a world of potential.
You can’t have it both ways.
When did I say that Powe and Houston are steals?
Are you talking to me, or to your own inner dialogue?
Hell, I never even said Stanzi was a reject. He’s a fifth round pick who hasn’t seen the field, period. I have hope that he will see the field and be good.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
To be fair
It’s much worse than 50-50 on 5th round or worse college QB’s.
And I’m a big Iowa fan and Stanzi supporter.
I was trying to be optimistic.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
:)
That is pretty optimistic…
The chart below I posted has it at 6.3%
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Wow. That 50/50 must only apply to Griffin and Luck then.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I cite his college qualities
because that is the eye test I have to go on plus the couple series I saw him play in the pre-season.
Point is, lots of people are clamoring for RGIII, but he plays in a spread option, not a pro-style offense, and doesn’t yet have the NFL body. Seems like his college qualities are enough for those people. Double standard?
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Is it really a "double" standard if it's professional GMs' opinions against fans' opinions?
Seems like it should be called octuple standard, or something.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Its simple man
The chances of getting a quality QB in round 1 is 50/50 you dont even want to know the stats on a 5th round QB. Dont say you cant just use the 5th round as a reason because he fell to the 5th FOR A REASON.
Until he steps on the field and plays multiple games we have NO idea what he is. He could be great, he could suck or he could be an average QB…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Right. So let him play.
It might take until next year, but he needs to see the field.
Even if KC traded away their future picks to move up and get a “franchise” QB, you won’t know if they will work out until they play, either. Until then, you will spout their COLLEGE greatness.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Here is a great chart for you to look at
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/3/20/804891/success-by-position-and-ro
5th round QB has a 6% chance of being successful
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
So you're saying there's a chance...
What’s that chart say about college back-ups that sign six year deals?
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
it says they're not as good as 29 yo journeymen QB's who've been with the Bears and the Broncos
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
That's some deep stats right there.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
had to search long and hard to find them
(no TWSS jokes, please and thank you)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Here is another breakdown
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=NextLevel4
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Yup, this is a good read
I remember reading it. Will be taking a closer look in April:
Don’t wait for a quarterback. In all likelihood, he won’t be there. Talent-wise, quarterback is by far the most top-heavy position, with the well drying up even before the second round arrives.
To that I say
Dalton.
But yeah, you know I agree with you about jumping for Luck/Griffin.
Actually, I think our best hope for a big time draftee right now is if Griffin goes back to school and dilutes the 2013 talent pool. Hell, maybe Luck goes back, too. I’d laugh.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Why Can't Mims become a stud?
Brian Waters, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates, Kurt Warner, Adam Vinatieri, Wes Welker, James Harrison, Jeff Saturday, John Randal, Rod Smith.
All those guys were undrafted. I think we should see how Mims looks after a full year of being on the roster & a full training camp before declaring him a waste.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
no issue with that
just know he needs a lot of work … isn’t he older? yes?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I think you're thinking of Powe, who is 26 (I think)
Mims will be 24 next season
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
perhaps so
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
David Mims has put in the work
How do you know David Mims still needs a lot of work? No one has seen him since the 3rd preseason game. The Chiefs held Mims out against the Packers to keep film off him. I think the “a lot of work” tag is convenient for those who are out of the know. Ask Tamba Hali how much more work David Mims needs, they go at it everyday in practice with Mims winning more than he loses. This man is going to be the man in 2012 with both potential tackle slots open.
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
You list the guys who made it and not
the thousands who didnt… That is the issue. Can he yeah… Odds are REALLY against it. How many 5th round or later players are in the NFL right now? How many are signed every year?
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I understand your point, I really do
But I think the fact that he was promoted speaks something about how Muir views the guy. Then again nobody outside of the organization has seen him, so who knows… The offseason will be telling, if there aren’t any FA or Drafted OTs brought in I think we may have something in Mims.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
absolutely, a quality backup and a running joke on AP for years
we may have something in Mims
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
We saw him in preseason and training camp.
He broke Dorsey. He also continually dominated Miller and Studie in the pass rush drills I saw. In those, he had the advantage of knowing basically what the defender was gonna do, so that didn’t test his mind much, but he definitely has the physical football skills.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
There's a reason no one has seen Mims....
Listen, not only did David Mims make the 53, he’s been dominate in practice. Why is he not playing you ask? Simple. $1.8MM. Thanks what the Chiefs are paying Richardson this one season. No way are they going to play Mims this year with that kind of investment in Richardson. Wait until next year, Mims will shine and shut up all the doubter (not you). What else does this kid have to do to convert fans? Go Chiefs
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
1.8 mil is basically chump change in the NFL
Definitely not enough $ to keep a better player on the bench, that’s ridiculous.
training camp and gametime are 2 different things
Do I have to bring up Jesse Haynes?
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 30, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
I agree man
I would really like to see what he has but I look at this list and want to puke…
2009 5 3(139) Chiefs Colin Brown OT
2008 6 4(170) Chiefs Barry Richardson OT
2005 6 13(187) Chiefs Will Svitek OT
2005 7 24(238) Chiefs Jeremy Parquet OT
2004 7 30(231) Chiefs Kevin Sampson OT
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Yeah
But none of those were real investments. All late round.
And Svitek is starting at LT for Atl…although he’s pretty poor.
What would you call
an UDFA pickup?
Svitek is a pretty bad backup. They really miss Baker on that side.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
An UDFA is less of an investment
I’m saying we haven’t made a real commitment to filling the RT spot through the draft. I think we’re agreeing.
Mims is an AP fantasy imo. A lotto ticket.
David Mims is a lottery ticket
He’s a lottery ticket that has already been cashed in by the Chiefs or he wouldn’t be on the team. Stop selling this future fixture short. Lottery ticket? That would be Cassell or Orton.
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't Sampson the guy that beat out Lilja?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
None of these Guys are Mims
David Mims is dominate and will be bigger, stronger and more polished at his position next year. Remember, the kid has had only the Chiefs to coach him up this season. David Mims has all the tools to be an All Pro. Just needs to see the field next year. Go Chiefs
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Muir has 33 years as on O - line coach. Mims has 1 year
Ok arm chair GM’s. David Mims has caught the eye of the Chiefs and for good reason. The man is 6’9" 325 quick, strong and has a mean streak. The Chiefs handled Mims the best way this year, coach him up for one season (developmental) and release him to the NFL world next season. It will be a sight to see…. Go Chiefs
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
David Mims is a stud
Not sure the last time a guy was protected like Mims. Had they not move him up, he would be with Baltimore or Detroit now. Next year he will be a dominating starter for the Chiefs at RT. Go Chiefs
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
This is good news!
I believe Orton will look at the weapons he’ll have on offense and say to himself “Self, if I can’t beat out Matt Freaking Cassel and a second-year fifth rounder, I can’t start anywhere.”
Now, let’s move on to getting a RT and Center.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Guard or center?
Or a center/guard? Is Hudson going to be our center our are we moving him to guard?
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure, but the O-Line needs an upgrade
If Hudson is the center, we still need a RT. I like Riley Reiff, but he’s a LT and I’m not sure about moving Albert. Doubtful Reiff will fall to us if he comes out, but I can dream.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I was impressed with
Florida State’s left tackle last night. The rest of their o-line sucked majorly, but I think he could be a steal in the middle rounds.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
Was that Datko or Sanders?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Is he the one who had a prior injury that supposedly limits him to the left side of the line?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No
He is the RT who had to move to LT when Darko went down.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
OK, I knew it was one of those guys who had a stiff hip.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Every mock draft
I’ve seen has Datko as a high (2nd round grade) pick but I came away really impressed with Sanders. I also read his bio on FSU’s website and he seems like an extremely high character type of guy. That, and I’m totally stereotyping him based on his size right now, but he seems like the perfect build for a zone blocking scheme. Here’s his bio…
http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sanders_zebrie00.html
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
I'll be surprised if we stay with ZB as our primary system
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I don't care much either way on the system,
but I hope we don’t stay with ZBS-only personnel.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I think Albert is a better guard so maybe make him a left guard.
He did great this year as a LT but I feel like his real strength is at guard.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Most good left tackles would also be good left guards.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Knoght, how much of Albert at LG have you seen since he's been in the NFL?
IOW, what are you basing this on?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Basing it on the fact that he played guard in college.
Knows that position better and was drafted because of it. He is a good left tackle but I don’t see why we can’t move him to guard so we have Albert, Hudson, Asamoah in the middle. Then we just need to find tackles.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
he has 4 yrs experience at LT in the NFL ... seems to me he knows it fairly well by now ...
the top ranked OLineman in this year;s draft is David DeCastro, OG … since Lilja is a very weak spot there anyway, why not make DeCastro our first pick and sew up the interior of the line for years to come?
keep Albert on the LT spot … DeCastro-Hudson-Asamoah make a solid interior group for the next 10 years
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
True.
I was just saying Albert can be moved if needed. I think we get DeCastro as G and Rief (if possible) for RT. I know he played LT but I think he can adjust.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
my guess is it's one or the other ... of the two, my understanding (as per Steve_Chief) is that DeCastro is far and away the better player overall (ie, top ranked)
ergo, if he’s there, take him … don’t even think twice, don’t hesitate, don’t blink
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
But we'd have ten minutes.
That’s enough time to make, eat, and savor a tasty sandwich. Why would you just throw that opportunity away?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
There you go Ups
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I'd be quite happy with DeCastro
Though the more I think (dangerous thing), I start to wonder if he’s THAT much better than some of the other OGs that’ll be there in the 2nd rd? He does have the benefit of playing next to a probably top-10 pick there at Stanford, which can’t hurt. Maybe a guy like Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin would be a better ‘value’ pick in the 2nd round.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
and then you only have to find ONE Tackle ...
… and since BRich is actually more than serviceable given even a little help, we get Moeaki back and pick up another TE our entire line then looks pretty damned good for a long, long time
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Either way, we'll need somebody else on the active roster next year who can snap the ball.
Assuming Wiegs retires. Darryl Harris finally promoted, maybe, if no drafted or signed center.
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Hudson at Center, DeCastro at LG, Asamoah at RG ... yes, please!
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I was talking about backups.
You can have one center back up all three interior positions, like we did this year, but you can’t have one non-snapping guard back up all three interior positions.
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right, gotcha ... with ya all the way
teeth
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Your teeth are freaking me out now.
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good
it’s working, whatever my evil plan is … it’s working :-)
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Unless we trade with STL to get the first overall pick.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
He'll look good holding the clipboard for Luck.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 30, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
We are not ever going to get Luck
so the Luck killing that will happen is by our defense.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
With Tamba Hali, it's not out of the question
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We all know Pioli isn't going to trade the house for one player nor should he.
We have plenty of holes to fill and one more good draft and we will be looking good.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Nor should he?
The most important position on the field and the solution for the next 10 years is the best prospect to come out of college since Peyton Manning. We have the pieces and picks to make it happen.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 30, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I mean I guess I wouldn't hate it.
It is taking a pretty big risk and we do have some needs we need filled in the offseason. I guess if we can fill those needs in free agency, we could trade away our whole draft.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
A pretty big risk?
Sure drafting a QB and playing them might just fail…
However, the only guarantee that you have when it comes to quarterbacks is you will never find an elite one… if you DON"T TRY!
Trade it all, draft Luck.
If he fails then you pick up the pieces and try again.
Hey I probably would.
But this is Mr. Pioli we’re talking about… not saying he won’t if he feels like we’re close. But I somehow doubt he will pull the trigger.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yea Pioli is not gonna take that huge a risk
miss and he is gone. He will keep mining the mid rounds till he hits QBOTF gold
Never gonna happen
As much as I would like to see it Pioli is never going to make that bold of a move. He is to afraid of being wrong. Which in my mind means he is just fine with being mediocre. If we go into next season with Cassel or Orton as our starting QB then that is what we will be. Mediocre
I dunno. I think we will be a lot better than mediocre.
We did beat the pack without Jamaal, ToMo, or Erc Burry.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
True
I guess I am just getting tired of having regular season victories to tell my young sons about.
I feels ya man.
Hopefully next years different (have never said that before)
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
That is exactly my point...
I am so tired of always “hoping” for next year…
If we only had that quarterback. The guy that takes the fanbase from baseless hope for the next season that something great “might” happen, to a real sense that something great “should” happen.
I would feel much less apathetic about the team loosing if they tried to find a great quarterback and failed. Now I am just stuck with the “hope” that maybe we could put together some magical run and actually win a playoff game.
This is why I think it's not out of the realm of possiblity.
The team is in a position now to take a chance like this. You could debate we’re only a good QB away from being a perennial contender. So if you take a chance and he fails it’s not that big of a setback because the other core pieces are in place.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 30, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
AGREED!
However, on the flip side… if you don’t try and continue to employ an average QB then the you are left hoping that this might be the career year that allows you to actually accomplish something.
The frustrating thing is that if Pioli tries and fails
we might never hear about it, and just assume that he didn’t try.
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GenBrand, we have the picks to throw away, sure ... but we don't have the other pieces in place on the team moake such a foolhardy move worthwhile
w/o a good OLine not even manning could make much happen here … nor Rodgers nor Brees, much less a rookie hasn’t even played a single down of NFL football
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No one is saying that you still don't have to build the team...
However, the quarterback position is by far the most important on the field. I would argue that it is more important than the head coach and maybe the GM.
If the Chiefs were coming off a playoff win in 2016 and it was the consensus around the NFL that they underachieved by not representing the AFC in the superbowl because they have one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the league, would you still consider that move foolhardy?
ask me in 2016 and I'll let you know
I think we all know how important QB is here … but trading away multiple 1st and 2nd round picks for a rookie who’s just as liable to fail as succeed for a team that has multiple holes to fill on both sides of the ball is foolish and a blueprint for continued failure
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Blueprint for failure??
What about spending the last 30 YEARS hoping that some other teams backup quarterback is the answer to all our woes?
I will not argue that drafting a quarterback high is not a risk, it fails all the time.
But in the 45 or so Superbowls that have been played the team that won had a first round pick at QB 25 times!
I’ll take those odds.
well, guess what ... the really good QB's in this year's draft will be gone by our pick, so gee, I guess it's a moot point, huh
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So move up
It’s been done before.
It will be done again.
Identify the guy that you feel gives you the best possible chance to win and go get him.
the best possible chance to win is to finish rebuilding the OLine and obtain more depth at other key postions ...wha
t part about that do you not understand?
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Just like we did under Marty?
I think the only disagreement we have here is that I am no longer content with just making the playoffs.
Just getting into the tournament is no longer enough for me. I want to see my team WIN. I want them to be in contention every year to win it all.
There is no easier way to make that happen then to find a great quarterback.
last time I checked it was under Marty that we last reached the AFC Championship Game
in fact, we were THE most successful franchise in that decade … with Marty
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That is EXACTLY my point..
my definition of success has changed.
We have not won a playoff game since, well losing that game in 1993!!!
That was the last time that the Chiefs actually tried to acquire a top level talent at QB… too bad he was on his last years.
Rebuilds are NEVER finished.....
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Rodgers has made a lot happen with crap Olines. Manning's lines haven't been all that spectacular either, except for Saturday.
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Really like hearing this
Cassel is not the answer. Orton should beat him out head to head.
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Agreed!
Heck, Stanzi might beat out Cassel for #2.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
My only worry is all the QB needy teams around the league.
Somebody will overpay.
And then, there’s the suspicion that Orton wanted to go back to Chicago. There’s no career sense in that, he’d just be backing up Cutler. Unless he just wanted to go back there for this year while Cutler’s out.
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Apparently Orton can beat him out with a week and a half of practice and half a finger.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 30, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Which is precisely why Orton is a starter
and Matt should return to his role as a career back-up.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
In fan voting, anyway.
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So if Neckbeard throws for more than 300 yards this Sunday
will he have thrown for more yards in a three game stretch than any three game combination of Cassel’s in his time here?? I’m thinking so but too lazy to look.
Yea
I looked it up. Pro Football Reference is awesome. Anyways, he needs 515 yards this weekend to do so, so probably not. But you’re right. Cassel has thrown for over 300 yards 3 times in his entire Chief career. And that includes a 469 yard performance last year in an absolute blowout to Denver.
And Cassel
has only thrown for over 200 yards in 18 of 39 games, while throwing for less than 100 yards in 6.
you catch on fast
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Yikes
Stats like that are why I laugh when people say Cassel and Orton are the same guy
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Fair enough
However, I look at that 5.1 next to Orton’s rook year and can’t help but wonder if that makes the difference.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 31, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
WOW!! Just WOW!
Sign Orton and tell him and Cassel that one of you will be the 2nd string quarterback on this team…
The other will be gone!!!
The only scenario that I can see that this would be remotely appealing is if one of them is backing up an elite level talent that we just drafted…
Otherwise… WHO CARES IF IT IS ORTON OR CASSEL!!
Neither one will be able to lead this team to a championship.
Too early to tell with Orton.
We’ve seen him in two games with our weapons and he’s looked pretty darn good. Add a Jamaal, ToMo, and an improved offensive line, I don’t see why we couldn’t win a superbowl. It’s all about the D anyways.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Why would the other be gone?
If KC signs Orton, Cassel would still be under contract. Is he going to retire?
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Dec 30, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Gone?
Because you get what you can for Cassel… even if that is a bag of balls and a chin strap
I don't know, seems like
three serviceable QB’s (Orton, Cassel, Stanzi) is a better option than one starter and only a second year 5th rounder that needs development.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Yup.
Unless someone gets really desperate and want to trade away more than they should.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Dec 30, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
remember what they say in college football...
When a coach says that he has two guys that can start at QB…
It’s because they don’t have 1 good one.
Right!
That’s why you don’t platoon the QB’s. One wins the competition and is the starter, the other is the back-up. Matt Cassel is bright enough to understand that he has had his chance, and a QB competition for next year is another chance. If he is not chosen, he’ll fill the #2 or #3 spot like the team player he is.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
That's true
But I would rather have one of them as the unquestioned backup because there is someone in front of them that is without question… better.
There is no question in my mind
that Orton is better.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Ok
But is he better than Luck or RG3?
What about 2 years from now? Or 5 years from now??
Just because Orton is better than Cassel doesn’t mean we should just give him the job. Being better than Cassel only means that Orton can be a slightly above average NFL QB.
Why not try to get a GREAT one?
as of right now yes, orton is miles ahead of either Luck or RG3
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Maybe...
But for how long?
I am one of those people that had to eat crow on both Cam Newton and Andy Dalton. Right now I would gladly take either one as my starter over anything the Chiefs have fielded in the last 5 years.
With the pieces we have in place, and some good coaching, there is no reason that a rookie cannot come in and lead this offense.
for as long as our OLine needs massive repair, which can't be done with TOP QUALITY playeers if you throw out high level draft picks to get a rookie kid
but sure, plug the numbers into your Madden game and see how well this Ryan Leaf Andrew Luck actually does in your pretend world
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Thank you Ups for actually saying what nobdoy else will.
Ryan Leaf = Andrew Luck??? Nobody knows but apparently we are willing to give up EVERYTHING for him.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Everything?
Just like the Saints gave up everything for Ricky Williams.
That failed miserably, but look at where they are now. They moved on, found themselves a quarterback and now they have a championship to show for it.
You will never succeed if you don’t try.
You will always fail if you don’t
you're right, MrC ... it failed miserably
which is rather the point of some of us … doing things like that tend to promote failure rather than success
the Saints aren’t winning because they drafted Drew Brees, the got Brees from the Chargers (remember?) … oh yeah, a retread with an injury at that! 9can’t win with someone else’s castoffs? really???)
no, the Saints are winning because they’ve BUILT a TEAM
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mind you, I'm saying he's gonna wash out, but the fact remains that ANYONE can wash out
and that includes Luck … or RG3 or anyone else out there
to me it’s just illogical (at best) to toss away so many picks for ONE player who is totally unproven at this level … look at Bradford’s year (this year, after all he did LAST year) and anyone with any common sense (which, admittedly, leaves out a lot of people) it’s easy to see that there is NO guarantee for success if the team has other holes to fill
and we do
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Plus, its not like this is the last chance ever to get a QB.
There will be more drafts. We have other pressing needs right now and we shouldn’t give away all those picks. I think you and I are on the same page ups.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
There are still many holes to fill on this team.
My only point is when you have a quarterback of top tier talent then it makes everyone’s job easier.
It would be nice to have a top tier QB...
but I would rather have top tier everything else. That is how you build a team.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Perfect teams are more rare than top shelf QBs.
If we wait to have a perfect team, we’ll be waiting, well, forever. It’s already been 30+ years.
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yup
it’s a TEAM sport, not a QB sport
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No way!
You mean the QB isn’t standing out there all by himself? What sport have I been watching?
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 30, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Golf Channel
obviously
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by upamtn on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haley actually sucks at golf now.
I’m not sure he was ever that good, he was terrible in that celebrity thing…
hard to do the job when you're on your back, MrC
dude, we can’t score from 2 yds out … that’s not QB, that’s OLine
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LOL he could be better than them both for forever because they have not played a NFL game yet
Ortons 29 yrs old which is actually young in Qbs years if every team that had a QB around that age started drafting for the future then there would be a lot of teams drafting replacements
by Willie Beamon on Dec 30, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Pioli has said that he'd like to draft a QB every year.
I’m sure he was talking about later half of the draft, but still.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Let Orton and Cassle fight it out, and maybe trade the loser.
Of course there are some variables here. Does Orton want to stay and compete for a job, the development of Stanzi, if the Chiefs draft a QB, maybe in the Kellen Clemens class of QB’s, or even bring in another veteran. There will be teams needing an experienced starter, next season, and I think we could trade one or the other, and not keep the salary cap hit, but it all depends on the situation. I do agree. If we learned anything this season, is that you better have a prepared and good backup availlble, not a Palko! (Who I actually defended for a game or 2, making my opinion lack any credibility, whatsoever).
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
Woops! I meant Kellen Moore, not Clemens (and I am supposed to be a Boise State fan).
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
Trade them both in the draft next year for RG3
Dear Santa, All I want for Christmas is a NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!!
To who? Gruden?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Or maybe
Trade for Luck, trade for Jake Long and the NT from Miami, and hire Cowher. Screw Cassel and Orton.
by old_school on Dec 30, 2011 1:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whatever.
Another year with Cassel or Orton is just another wasted year, with our core getting just another year older. Time to be bold Scotty.
by craig in calgary on Dec 30, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
This
Wasting the prime of too many players careers.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 30, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Even if we got Luck/Griffin, I wouldn't want him starting in year one.
So the Cassel/Orton debate does have merit. That’s who our QBotF would be sitting behind and learning from.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yes!
We have a ton of talent, but it won’t last too long. If it takes a couple of years to groom a rookie QB then so be it. Draft one high and throw him in. We do have some talent that’s a bit younger but this is starting to feel like a Vermiel team. The window will close before long.
by TheScootness on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I hear ya Craig
Pioli has to make a move now like Atlanta did for Julio Jones. If we got a big time QB in here this team could go places.
Also, you like RG3 or no?
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
How?
How are we ever going to win a bidding war against a team like CLE with multiple 1st round picks?
I thought it was possible with Barkley in as well, making the number of elite prospects 3. But two? I just don’t see it.
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A guy on another thread suggested we trade Bowe, Dorsey and a pick to St. Louis.
That got me thinking. Bowe and Dorsey are players that the Rams could really use, and probably wouldn’t be catastrophic losses for us. How many other teams can offer a former first round WR and a former top 5 DT, both of whom have seen success in the NFL? We can’t win in a straight pick bidding war, but maybe we can offer something else.
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So the idea is to franchise Bowe
Then trade him, Dorsey, and our first rounder to STL?
It might still take more than that, but I guess I can see the logic there.
However, if we trade Bowe we need to address WR again. Although there’s a decent FA group this year, so that’s not a bad idea…
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 31, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
If Pioli brings back BOTH Cassel and Orton to compete for the starting QB, without giving Stanzi a REAL shot, or without doing everything he can do to try and trade up for RG3, then it’s an enormous failure on Pioli’s part, and will hasten his firing within 2 years.
Don't believe
any story about this team until it happens and keeping Orton and Cassel is just another year of bad play at QB
If we sign Orton
I think they would end up getting rid of Cassel if he didn’t take a salary cut. He would be making too much for a back up
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
The contract would have to be renegotiated.
You don’t just say “Hey Matt, sorry about you losing the QB competition, now we’re gonna reduce your pay. Thanks, man.”
Of course, it’s all moot at this point.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
If Pioli is sticking to the "Patriot Way"
they have gotten rid of better players for lesser offenses than Cassel has had
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
so does that scenario mean we aren't going to draft a quarterback if there is a good one available?
and if we do, what does that mean for Stanzi? He gets cut without ever getting a shot and we wasted an important draft pick?
NFL teams are allowed to have more than one quarterback.
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but almost none of them
carry 4 quarterbacks genius
Orton might be tired of QB Competitions
He probably looks at Cassel and thinks – you had three years as the unquestioned starter no matter how bad you played. I want that! But, realistically, he isn’t going to be given the keys to the kingdom for any franchise and the Chiefs have a good core. My guess is he wants about 4/36M, with at least 15M guaranteed.
I agree
Cassel needs to go IMO…Orton is better and will utilize the weapons in KC much more effectively….With Charles back, and hopefully some improved line play, the offense should opebn up and fire on all cylinders…I think Orton has gotten a bad rap on bad teams…it happens…he was on pace to break Marinos record last year…and had the NUMBER 1 reciever(Brandon Lloyd) last year…you give him a full offseason and training camp to adjust to his recievers and learn the playbook, and give him a running game, he WILL flourish….
If we leave Cassel on the roster it may create a backlash….what if Cassel outplays Orton in camp…if Orton wins the job, is he worried that as soon as he has a bad game he gets pulled for Cassel.i mean, Cassel was just in the Probowl last year….see what im sayin?..unneeded pressure…im all for competition, but when a guy wins the job, it should be his and he should not have to worry…I think you will have a team and a fanbase split on who should be the starter….in my opinion, Cassel needs to go…Orton is better and we has seen Cassel at his best, and that was not THAT good…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
This is not a problem:
what if Cassel outplays Orton in camp
In that case, Cassel should start.
a fanbase split on who should be the starter
When have we not had this? Was there a peaceful period between winless Brodie and rookie flyer Stanzi that I missed?
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to keep Orton you are gonna have to Come up with some real money..
what i meant by that is….Cassel is known to be a good “practice QB”…but we have seen the exact opposite from him during gametime….if he outplays Orton in camp, we may have to endure a few loses before the coaching staff realizes whats going on…
By having them both on the roster you may create a Denver situation……as soon as the starter slips, the chants for the back-up will start…causing problems….AND Orton is going to want that sorted out before he signs anything with KC..
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Yeah, maybe.
I’ve also hear that Orton is a good practice QB. So, we should at least have some damn good practices :)
I’d like to think our front office and coaches will have a little more fortitude than Denver’s. Can’t be a fan without being biased.
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Brodie Croyle was a good practice QB
oh lord, we’re gonna be stuck with Cassel again, I can just SEE it happening
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I actually have heard that Orton is a really good practice QB.
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awesome, I hope he's the CLEAR choice over Cassel (and he should be)
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Thats why I dont see Orton signing with us under those conditions
The guy has just went through 3 of the most drama filled seasons in NFL the past decade I dont think he would sign himself into more drama.
As long as Matts here its his team no QB is gonna volunteer to jump into that situation.
Splitting reps etc only sets the offense back
by Willie Beamon on Dec 30, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Well all the TV experts are talking like Cassel is coming back next year
I have not heard one yet say anything like he should get cut or traded next year
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Time to develop
Evertime I hear someone clammoring to trade up and get a QB in the draft, I cant help but think that a rookie QB, no matter who is, will need time to develop and get acclimated to the NFL. Orton has shown he can move our offense and with an offseason he could get this team rolling right out of the gates. I say sign the man and use the draft to fill our holes and make a run with what we got.
Maybe
But Roethlisberger went 15-1 his rookie year. Ryan, Flacco, Dalton, and Newton all had great rookie years too.
Very true
But I think if you look at the norm for a rookie QB I think you would see the opposite. Anything is possible though…
by chiefs2victory on Dec 30, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
But the best QB in the league right now did not.
We can play the example game all day. The fact is that there is benefit to letting a rookie QB sit and observe.
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Keep them Both
Bing back Orton and Cassel. I think Orton has better field vision, and I’m not totally sold on Cassel yet. Reminds me when we had Elvis and Gannon as Qb’s and Elvis was injured most of the season so Gannon got most of the starts. We had a first round bye in playoffs that year and then Elvis came back from his injury and then stubborn Marty S. decided to start Elvis, who had not played for most of the season, because he was the “Starting QB” and we lose to Denver who ended up winning the Superbowl that year!
The big diffrence weve been having is,
well we dont 3 and out so damn fast when palko was starting QB. I also blame the failure from scoring TDs is Muir. Its obvious he was never meant to be OC and out O-line took a major hit when he stopped directing his full atention on them. Regardless, we are going down the field, the offense is giving the defense a breather, and Mccluster is looking good these past few games. Cassle was always meant to be a backup, and orton is more accurate/downfield passer to our killer B’s. that and Dwayne Bowe needs to stop his dropped passes when its crucial.
Do you smell what the Chiefs are cooking?
An a%#whooping and BBQ!!
I know ... he needs to learn how to block
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Mccluster is too little to block,
a lineman will squash him or a linebacker will split him in two if he ever blocked. Mccluster to me is like the poor mans version of JC. JC can hit the holes and burn defenses, but Mccluster maybe hits the holes and then fumbles the ball as a gift to the defense.
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An a%#whooping and BBQ!!
This is like saying that Albert needs to learn how to catch.
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he does, but only if you want him at his "Natural Position"
Wide Receiver
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many of us disagree, but you're welcome to your opinion :-)
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trust me, ticket sales will drop if McHoody gets hired,
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CAPS LOCK ... TURN IT OFF!
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This 'announcement' aka leak to Pioli's buddy Lombardi
Is a way to get season ticket renewals.
I’m not saying it won’t happen, but that is why we are hearing this now, of all times.
On the other hand, given KC's QB situation,
to NOT try and sign Orton would be foolish.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
I personally...
Think it is somewhat foolish, and a waste of resources to have both on the roster.
You could let them compete and then if Orton beats him out, try and trade Cassel, I’d be ok with that.
I also think if we sign Orton and keep Cassel, then we aren’t drafting a QB, and that is a mistake, imo.
Most of the good QB Drafts picks
Will be gone by the time KC gets their first pick. I say go for Offensive line poeple in the draft.
Whether we move up and get one of the top 2
Or take one in the middle rounds, we should be drafting a QB and trying to find the long-term solution that currently (probably) isn’t on the roster.
NOPE
Look at our Qb drafting history the past 5 years. Nothing but crappy Qbs!
What does that have to do with it?
So we should just give up forever?
And who have we drafted the last 5 years, what 2 guys? Croyle and Stanzi?
Why do you think Orton would negate trying to draft a QB?
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I'm sorry, meant Orton + Cassel.
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Because I doubt they are going to ditch Stanzi
And they surely won’t carry 4.
Well, they can carry four or even five up until cut downs.
By which time we could have given all of them legit shots at being a starter, and at the same time have made some showcase tape for shopping Cassel and Orton to QB needy teams.
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Could trade one of them for one of the same picks we used to get Griffin.
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send Cassel to the Raiders
you did say “seedy teams” right?
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Agreed, you could
But teams very rarely go to camp with 4 legit options at QB. Let’s say we take one in the 3rd round…
If we did so, it would mean that eventually you would almost be forced to cut/trade Cassel or Stanzi, and other teams would know this as well, dimishing your negotiating position for trading them.
You aren’t going to cut the new draft pick unless he was drafted in the 7th round…and you aren’t going to cut Orton who you just paid decent money to get.
It’s pretty clear if we sign Orton and don’t trade Cassel, we won’t be drafting a QB, and the circle of mediocre QB’s will continue.
it's pretty clear that if we trade away multiple draft picks our team will never be more than mediocre anyway
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Please
So if RG3 or Luck are top 5 NFL QB’s our team will be mediocre? You really believe this?
How many top 5 NFL QB’s are on mediocre teams right now, I’ll wait for the answer, even though I already know it.
well, that's just it ... right now all they are ... prospects, good COLLEGE qb's
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Boy you lost me
Could either Luck or RG3 be a bust? Possibly.
Are Cassel and Orton going to continue to be mediocre? Almost certainly.
the whole point of NOT selling the farm for either of them
Could either Luck or RG3 be a bust? Possibly.
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And the whole point of doing so...
Are Cassel and Orton going to continue to be mediocre? Almost certainly.
My main problem with signing Orton and having him and Cassel compete
Is that means we probably won’t bring in any in this years draft. And that means we are still going to be stuck in neutral.
OTOH, as much better than Cassel as Orton clearly is ...
… and as well as Cassel did in 2010, imagine what Orton could do with an even more improved team than Cassel had
see?
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Yeah...
You know I like to deal in reality, so I realize this isn’t the case. But nice try on baiting.
Don't worry, I already know you'll agree with me down the road
Just a question of when. Ask any Den fan.
keep dreaming, sno
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Hey...Aug 6th
This preseason there was a fanpost that asked which QB, Orton or Cassel would be better in our O. Cassel won with 73% of the vote.
You made a comment:
or, as FalconDelaney put it in his Offense Post …
Cassel and Orton are neck and neckbeard
Yeah, you were making a joke, but also saying they were even. I guess maybe you won’t admit to agreeing with me in the future, but you already have in the past.
Working on that fanpost, I see.
Excellent.
Although, I hope I didn’t goad you into official Thorman-type trouble….you’d have to find a way to leave out screen names.
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Telling that we had 73% picking Cassel preseason
and 4% today.
and for the record, I did NOT cast a ballot
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teams very rarely go to camp with 4 legit options at QB.
This is probably true, but the context you put it in would seem to imply that it’s a BAD thing to go to camp with 4 legit options at QB. On the surface, that doesn’t make sense to me. I think it would be great if we had 4 QBs with starting level talent.
I don’t think it’s THAT unusual for a team to carry four QBs. And no, I am not Jon Gruden.
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Mims ... you LOVE that kid
right, Chucky?
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I am probably biased toward Mims, but at least that's because of what I've personally seen.
I was fifty feet away from several of his training camp drills, and at that time he was definitely the most interesting guy to watch. Of course, that was way early when several of the starters weren’t there yet, but he looked great in drills. I know drills are a small part of the big picture, so I’m not automatically putting him in based on that. But I’m not automatically dismissing him, either.
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Your observation on Mims is correct
David Mims, given his shot next year will not disappoint. If the Chiefs didn’t believe that, he would not be on the 53 and Gaither or one of the other 8 linemen brought into camp would be on the roster. The Chiefs know what they have, a steal, a giant and a blindside stopper. Go Chiefs
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Carrying 4 QB's during the regular season?
It basically never happens.
No it’s not a bad thing to do in camp, in theory. But it puts us in a tough spot at the end of camp.
Eh, we carried too many receivers this year,
how much could one extra QB hurt us? It definitely doesn’t FORCE us to trade/cut one.
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Hey, we could do it
I’m just saying no one does. Mainly b/c QB’s are only that. WR’s/LB’s pretty much everything else can help you in some form on special teams.
I've been told that Cassel can play special teams. And tight end.
Luck has receiver experience.
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HA, that's right
He can play TE…for one play at least.
Or a way to boost Orton's confidence and the confidence of the players around him.
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Let's get real
Orton is better than Cassel, but not by much. If this team is going to win, it’s going to happen in one of two ways.
1) Draft a QB in the first round by trading up. So many people want a QB but don’t want to give up anything. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Get over it.
2) Build an incredible defense/ supporting cast around either Orton and Cassel and roll with it. Try to win like the 2002 Bucs or 2000 Ravens. It’s much easier to win with a great QB, but this way is possible.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
by Flowers24 on Dec 30, 2011 2:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If we keep Orton and he beats out Cassel,
which he will, Cassel will be traded. I am confident that someone would still give up a 3rd for Cassel.
After that, refer to Flowers24’s post above for the rest of my opinion.
Resign Orton & develop RG3
Trade up for RG3. Get offensive lineman through free agencies.
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Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3 or Luck.
by ChiefsatWar on Dec 30, 2011 3:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Why the hell waste any more time with Cassell?
Orton is a hands down better QB and has better numbers than Cassell. Orton has never had any kind of weapons really to work with and certainly has not played in front of a back like Charles. Trade Cassell for a 3rd or 4th and give Orton the job. Otherwise if we tell him he has to compete with a shit QB, he might just be inclined to take a job where they will guarantee him being a starter. Pioli, dont fuck this up like you did the Brian Waters, Jared Gaither situation!
Not to be a jerk
But it’s Cassel
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
David Mims has been polished
The only reason David Mims has been sitting on the 53 is the cash the Chiefs are paying Richardson for this year ($1.8MM). No way do the Chiefs play Mims with the financial commitment paid to Barry. With Richardson out of the picture next year look for Mims to compete for the RT or LT position. The Chiefs are handling this valuable asset the right way, develop Mims and watch a fixture for years take hold. David Mims has the greatest upside of anyone on the team, QB included. Go Chiefs
by Big Daddy Booster on Dec 30, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions
Are you related to Mims?
I’m not trying to be funny, I’m really asking.
If so, cool, welcome to AP.
I gotta ask
Big Daddy are you Mim’S Big Daddy.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
If you want as much talent as possible at the QB position...
Why in the hell would you keep both Cassel and Orton?
by KCRiseFromTheAshes on Dec 30, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
Orton Can Throw Cassel Can lead
Unfortunatley as I sit here in Denver, I know first hand Orton can throw it around better than 1 read Cassel, but Cassel is a much better leader! If only we could shove one in the others @ss!! But seriously I think I would almost rather have Orton Staring than Cassel. At least the offense has had some life. Isn’t sad that he is the only person too throw for 300 yds this year and we have had 3 starters! But I concur keep em both. Scary times when Orton excites me for next year. We need RG III if he comes out!
there ya go!
Cassel leads the team in workouts and out of the tunnel on gameday while Orton plays the QB position
TEAMWORK, HOOHAH!
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If they do this
What a great move by the Chiefs! You have two guys, seasoned and experienced who can play, one better than the other (Orton) While you can have Cassel as a serviceable, quality backup with the (hopefully) QBOTF in Stanzi, or some other QB they might end up drafting in this years draft.
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Start Stanzi! Palko is terrible. Orton started, close enough. CHECK
Sign Orton to an extension!
No to RG3
Haley needs Fired! CHECK
Orton is coming back huh
Looks like we have our backup qb of the future
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 30, 2011 11:45 PM CST reply actions
Orton? Good luck with him.
He can pass. Good at not being there when you need him the most though.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
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