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Good morning! Some very good stories in today's Kansas City Chiefs news. We're starting to see a lot of praise for the Chiefs' D. Enjoy.

Uncertain of what the future may hold, many of the Chiefs pending free agents are absorbing what could be the final days with their current teammates.

For some players, like veteran running back Thomas Jones and nose tackle Kelly Gregg, the unknowns associated with an expiring contract are nothing new...

...For younger players, like cornerback Brandon Carr, the possibility of moving on is a first-time occurrence. Carr has started every game for the Chiefs since arriving as a fifth-round draft pick in 2008 and is rounding out the final week of the one-year restricted free agent tender he signed in August.

Arrowhead Report: The Final Days Of 2011 from The Mothership

Looking back, Johnson acknowledged this week that he began to see the circumstances pulling him out of Kansas City - and onto a team where he had an honest chance.

"I wasn't like, ‘I don't want to be a Chief.' But could I see myself in the future here? At the time, I couldn't really see it," he said, standing in front of the same locker. "I always loved being a Chief, and this is all I know. But ... that was cloudy for sure."

Derrick Johnson's Pro Bowl Selection Marks Turnaround from KC Star

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Q: I don't mean to minimize the loss of guy like Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki and Matt Cassel, but you guys are 31st in the league in scoring, why haven't you been better in that regard this year?

CRENNEL: "Well not having some of those guys has something to do with it. The other thing is we haven't been operating as efficiently as we need to, to put points on the board. We went through a stretch where we were turning the ball over and when you turn the ball over you can't put points on the board because you don't have the ball. And so that's what happens."

Q&A With Romeo Crennel 12/29 from The Mothership

Wiegmann, the Chiefs' center, will make his 175th straight start when the team faces the Broncos, and he will add to streak of consecutive snaps that is at 11,102. Both are the longest active streaks among NFL offensive linemen, dating to 2001.

Nobody knows whether Wiegmann's consecutive snaps streak is a record; the league does not track such things.

His streak of consecutive snaps started Sept. 23, 2001, against the Giants, the first game the Chiefs played after the attacks of Sept. 11.

Wiegmann Will Add To Prodigious Streak from KC Star

Much has been made of any "inside" information that former Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton can give to his Kansas City teammates during preparation for Sunday's game at Sports Authority Field at Mile High.

That works both ways, Denver offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said Thursday.

Kyle Orton With The Chiefs Works Both Ways, McCoy Says from The Denver Post

Strip away the fun subplots and it's a matchup of two AFC West foes who in spite of their contrasting postseason possibilities, aren't all that different. The Broncos have the "more to play for" advantage, while the Chiefs enter off a better performance in the last two games. Add in Orton's motivation and an inconveniently skidding Denver defense, and it's a rough end to the Broncos' fairy tale.

Sports Network Predicted Outcome: Chiefs 24, Broncos 17

NFL Preview: Kansas City (6-9) at Denver (8-7) from KC Star

Everything about Casey Wiegmann is decidedly old school.

The style of his facemask was in vogue about 20 years ago. He uses a pen-and-paper daily planner to keep appointments. And he prefers a simple wooden stool rather than plush seats that everyone else in the Kansas City Chiefs locker room collapses on after a hard practice.

Here's one more thing that makes the veteran center a throwback: He doesn't miss a play. Ever.

Chiefs' Casey Wiegmann To Make 175th Straight Start, Possibly Last, Against Denver On Sunday from The Associated Press via The Washington Post

Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey offered a different take on his team's defense facing Chiefs quarterback Kyle Orton on Sunday. Namely, it's not that Orton was the Broncos' starter earlier this season that gives him some quality intel on Denver's defense, but that Orton was the team's scout-team quarterback when Tim Tebow moved into the starting job.

The scout-team quarterback runs the opponents' offense against the starting defense in practice.

"It's more scripted for him (in that role), but what he sees from us is what we do on Sunday," Bailey said. "I think he has more of an edge on that than anybody, and for us to say we've got an edge on anything he did on scout team is silly.

Bailey: Orton's Work On Scout Team Big Asset from The Denver Post

That conflict comes to more than a symbolic head Sunday when the Broncos end their regular season by hosting the Kansas City Chiefs -- led by QB Kyle Orton, who was Denver's starter before being dumped off to the Chiefs in favor of Tebow. You think Orton is motivated? A Broncos victory puts them in the playoffs, while a defeat may knock them out.

And what does Tebow have to say about Orton? "I'm happy for him that he has another opportunity. And I'm glad that he's playing and doing well. I wish him nothing but the best -- but maybe not too good on Sunday."

What, Tim? "Maybe not too good on Sunday?" Oh, you naughty devil.

Readers Predict What Tim Tebow Will Be Doing In 2012 from ESPN

New England Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien has emerged as a head-coaching candidate and is expected to receive offers to interview with teams this offseason, the NFL Network reported Thursday, citing sources...

...A position at the Kansas City Chiefs could reportedly be a possibility, said one source familiar with O'Brien's thinking.

Pats' O'Brein Head-Coaching Candidate? from FOX Sports

The Chiefs' coaching scenario seems the most tidy of all, and of course, the NFL is rarely tidy, so it probably can't happen the way we're envisioning. But here goes: Win or lose Sunday at Denver for Romeo Crennel (although a win and a 2-1 interim head coaching record makes the rationale a much easier sell), there's a pretty good shot he gets elevated to the full-time gig. League sources then expect Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli to go out and hire Rams offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to the same post in Kansas City, with the expectation that McDaniels will be let go when Spagnuolo is canned.

Pioli will then have made his own locker room very happy with the retention of the popular Crennel, who he likes and greatly respects, but also will have put in a place a succession plan with the arrival of McDaniels, who could use another couple seasons to let the radioactivity from his failed Denver head coaching tenure die down.

Definitive Guide To Black Monday And The 2012 Coaching Carousel from Sports Illustrated

They are the top three passing teams in the NFL. The Saints are first, followed by the Patriots and then the Packers. The quarterback play for all three has been sensational, but there have been games where each has struggled.

For Brees and the Saints, it came in a loss to the Rams. For Rodgers, it came two weeks ago against the Chiefs in the Packers' only loss. Brady's lowest output in terms of yards came against the Steelers, but his second lowest came against the Chiefs.

Kansas City is a team with two good, physical corners who can play man-press coverage and knock your receivers off their routes. They did that to the Packers and to the Patriots in Week 11.

After Further Review: Disrupting Receivers Key To dealing With Air Elite from CBS Sports

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I'm beginning to believe we are going to lose Carr to free agency

I’m thinking Carr (and possibly Bowe) are wanting contracts bigger than what they are worth to the team and what the market can bear. I’m expecting to lose Carr.

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 30, 2011 7:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

The only reason why I would agree with you is that I believe the team thinks that Javier Arenas can move into a starter role, while Jalil Brown slides in at nickel.

by Topchief1 on Dec 30, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Arenas can barely cover the slot receiver

I hope they don’t think they can move him outside

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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Dec 30, 2011 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't see it happening.

He’s been more consistent than Flowers at times.

by bossmanham on Dec 30, 2011 7:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That may be the case.

Flowers was 5 yr 50 mil wasn’t it? I think Carr deserves at least 5 yr 40 mil.

by bossmanham on Dec 30, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Will be the best tandem

since Carter and Hasty

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.

by KingChief on Dec 30, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he has played well, but no he doesn't deserve to be paid like a #1 CB

If they want to structure his contract so his yearly salary escalates in the latter half, allowing him to continue to improve and show he deserves that top money, along with little guaranteed, I would be fine with that. I definitely do not think he has earned a high guaranteed contract

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 30, 2011 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

FYI: Statistically speaking...

Carr and Flowers are virtually the same. Flowers has more INTs and TD returns, but their stats are nearly the same.

I would absolutely say that he’s worth 5 years and 40+ mil. Unfortunately, the Chiefs may not re-sign him. We’ve got the cash though, so they should pay him. Maybe load up some incentives based on stats.

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by Falcon58 on Dec 30, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Carr has more passes defended

and he is certainly ahead of Flowers in the all-important “availability” category

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by PVChiefsfan on Dec 30, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

If we don't keep carr, Jenoris Jenkins may slip to us in the 2nd round...

He was a stud at UF, but liked the sticky like J Houston…

I hope we can get Carr re-signed but if not Jenkins will be a stud…

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

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by SFLChief on Dec 30, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't think you let a proven player go

and hope for something to playout in the draft. Too many variables there.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 30, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

for sure, I want Carr here...but there are good options out there if Pioli can't get it done...

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

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by SFLChief on Dec 30, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Arenas was horrible last year: However, this was before the Packers game.

Arenas is the primary slot cornerback in the Chiefs’ nickel defense and has been exceptional when he sees the field (+5.0 overall.) His 56.7 NFL QB rating on passes thrown into his coverage is best among Kansas City CBs and tied for 10th in the NFL. He has yet to allow a touchdown, and to top it off, has generated seven total QB pressures on a mere 18 pass rush attempts.

by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 30, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If this happens Pioli goes down a whole lot in my view

We have all this money and we still are not spending it. what exactly arewe waiting for with this. Tom Brady’s contract to expire

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Dec 30, 2011 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Just because you have the money doesn't mean you overspend

I can’t see them giving a contract similar to Flowers to Carr. Too much money on CBs

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 30, 2011 7:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

doesn't excuse letting Bowe go

I’m just saying I’ve heard how we’re not spending big on FA because we want to sign our own guys first, but when we’re 20 million under the cap and theres a player deserving of a big contract not getting one it says one of two things. Hunt is being cheap or Pioli is undervaluing players. (I don’t think its the former).

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Dec 30, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

yes I'd give it to him

Just look at what the top 5 WR in the league have had at QB. Fitz(Kurt Warner), Andre Johnson(Matt Schaub), Roddy
White(Matt Ryan) Wes Welker(Tom Brady). Calvin Johnson(Shaun Hill, Stafford some other bum QB) Dwayne Bowe has had Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and now Orton. One of those is above average. yet Bowe has produced numbers that are only slightly less than those other guys.

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Dec 30, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he gets a top 10 contract

instead of a top 5 because he drops too many key passes

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.

by KingChief on Dec 30, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Top 10 contract

with built in performance bonuses for not dropping the ball…

by kc_okerix on Dec 30, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly. This this this.

Welcome to the real world, Alexandria. Future Chiefs' ____________!

by Falcon58 on Dec 30, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Is be ok with McD as our OC..

He does know Orton, and Cassel.

Angry Red, 'nuff said.

by chiefsfan62 on Dec 30, 2011 7:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

No to McD!

How on earth can you justify him a offensive freaking coordinator when his offense with great qb prospect Bradford is so abysmal!? Sorry, screw him. He sucks. I don’t want him anywhere near kc.

by bossmanham on Dec 30, 2011 7:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don't understand it.

Bringing in the OC that ran the only offense in the league worse than ours? How is that anything but asinine?

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by TheScootness on Dec 30, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

But, but, but...he came from New England.

Yeah, I agree with you 100%. I can’t see all the hype over McD at all. He looked good at NE, yes. Was is really that hard to look good with a Offense like that? In Denver and Saint Louis, the guy has been way less than impressive. The fact that many people want him here just boggles my mind.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Dec 30, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

how can you minimize what Cassel does when it's already as minimal as it gets?
Q: I don’t mean to minimize the loss of guy like Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki and Matt Cassel, but …

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by upamtn on Dec 30, 2011 7:54 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

/groan

You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?

by Mully on Dec 30, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

If Pioli's tendencies are rooted in Patriot history,

which many think is the case, then RD37 is right that Carr may be left to walk.
In other words, the message to the player is

You’re good, but you’re not the Team
.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

They did build the team for success first

before they started letting players leave or trade them away. We are only a 2nd/3rd tier team right now so it would make more sense to bring Carr back.

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.

by KingChief on Dec 30, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I completely agree. Unfortunately.

I personally think they should pay him, but the Patriot way would indicate they pay one CB and develop the next one. Whether he’s on the roster right now or an upcoming draft pick. I’m not sure Arenas is the answer and Brown needs more playing time and practice time. He might be much better next year. Physically speaking, Brown replaces Carr.

I fully expect them to sign Bowe and franchise and trade Carr. This frees up cash to spread around AND gets you some draft picks. Carr is worth at least a 1st round pick. Or a 2nd and a 3rd.

Welcome to the real world, Alexandria. Future Chiefs' ____________!

by Falcon58 on Dec 30, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

It's statements like this that just make me cringe: (from a HC, no way)

CRENNEL: “The other thing is we haven’t been operating as efficiently as we need to, to put points on the board. We went through a stretch where we were turning the ball over and when you turn the ball over you can’t put points on the board because you don’t have the ball. And so that’s what happens.” (just brilliant)

by jcox31mc on Dec 30, 2011 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

and to think..

we almost lost him because todd haley is insane.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Dec 30, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

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