Vision and Identity
The Kansas City Chiefs to date have averaged 13.7 (31st) points per game. While the Chiefs Defense has surrendered 22.3 (20th) points per game, many of those points were scored by the enemy on short fields created by the Offense. The Chiefs also showed an inability to score on a short field themselves when in the Red-Zone. Scott Pioli can answer the 2012 Chiefs riddle in numerous ways via re-signing our own Free Agents and those of other teams this off-season. We have been told and or came to believe that we made extravagant bids on some free agents in the past only to be rejected. 2012 will have the same results on certain key players we wish to have, so I have tried to answer the riddles sans Free-Agents. If we get em Great, if not so what.
I do expect that we will Re-sign our key Free agents Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr. We also re-sign Le'Ron McClain, Kyle Orton, Jovan Belcher, and Barry Richardson.
1 10 Kansas City David DeCastro OG Stanford - Top rated Offensive Lineman in the 2012 draft
via lindsayhbarr.files.wordpress.com
some lust for David DeCastro from the Seattle Seahawks blog
2 43 Kansas City Dwayne Allen TE Clemson - Top rated Tight End in the 2012 draft
3 73 Kansas City James-Michael Johnson ILB Nevada - Top rated Senior ILB in the 2012 Draft
via d.yimg.com
4 105 Kansas City Matt McCants OT UAB
5 138 Kansas City Kellen Moore QB Boise State - Winner, Like Tim Tebow
6 169 Kansas City Dan Herron RBF Ohio State - Thomas Jones replacement
7 201 Kansas City Tony Bergstrom OT Utah - Scott Pioli Double - down
- David DeCastro will take over Left or Right Guard depending on Jon Asamoah. Both played Right Guard in College. Ryan Lilja will become depth in this scenario.
- Dwayne Allen will supplant Pope as the backup TE, and compete with Moeaki for starts, and will allow us to cut the chaff in the position.
- JM Johnson and D Johnson will become a superb ILB Duo, Jovan Belcher will become depth if re-signed.
- Matt McCants along with Tony Bergstrom, Mims and Richardson get to all compete for two-three jobs. Good luck guys :)
- Kellen Moore? why yes, he gets to compete with Ricky Stanzi. While Matt Cassel gets to compete with Kyle Orton for the starters job. Todd Haley would be so Proud.
- Dan Herron takes over that Thomas Jones role and competes for playing time with a possibly rejuvenated Jack Battle.
Depth? We have some depth. I hope so
Geaux Chiefs
What does my Vision look like?
The Chiefs 2012 Offensive Depth Chart as of Today and the future:
| Position | Starter | Backup | Depth |
| QB | Matt Cassel * / Kyle Orton | - | Stanzi * / Moore |
| RB | Jamaal Charles * | Dexter McCluster * | Dan Herron |
| FB | Le'Ron McClain | Jackie Battle | - |
| RWR | Dwayne Bowe | Terrance Copper * | - |
| TE | Tony Moeaki * | Dwayne Allen | Leonard Pope |
| RT | Barry Richardson | Matt McCants | David Mims |
| RG | Jon Asamoah * | - | - |
| C | Rodney Hudson * | - | - |
| LG | David DeCastro | Ryan Lilja | |
| LT | Branden Albert | Tony Bergstrom | - |
| SWR | Steve Breaston * | Dexter McCluster | - |
| LWR | Jonathan Baldwin * | - |
Players with * are signed through the 2013 season.
The Chiefs 2012 Defensive Depth Chart as of Today and the future:
| Position | Starter | Backup | Depth |
| RCB | Brandon Flowers * | ||
| ROLB | Justin Houston * | Andy Studebaker * | Gabe Miller * |
| RDE | Tyson Jackson * | Allen Bailey * | |
| Strong ILB | James-Micheal Johnson | Brandon Siler | |
| NT | Jerrell Powe * | ||
| Weak ILB | Derrick Johnson * | Demorrio Williams | |
| LDE | Glenn Dorsey | Amon Gordon | |
| LOLB | Tamba Hali * | Cameron Sheffield * | |
| LCB | Javier Arenas * | Jalil Brown * | |
| SS | Eric Berry * | Donald Washington | |
| FS | Kendrick Lewis * |
Players with * are signed through the 2013 season.
Kyle Orton 2008-2011
2008 Chicago Bears - Are you Kidding me? This is not a WR cadre in the NFL.
1 Brandon Lloyd CHI 46 26 56.5 364 14.0 82
2 Mark Bradley CHI 1 0 0 0 0 0
3 Earl Bennett CHI 1 0 0 0 0 0
4 Devin Hester CHI 86 51 59.3 665 13.0 216
5 Rashied Davis CHI 62 35 56.5 445 12.7 156
6 Marty Booker CHI 43 14 32.6 211 15.1 101
2009 Denver Broncos - Awesome guys that can catch the football.
1 Brandon Marshall DEN 149 101 67.8 1120 11.1 510
2 Jabar Gaffney DEN 85 54 63.5 732 13.6 259
3 Brandon Lloyd DEN 18 8 44.4 117 14.6 24
4 Eddie Royal DEN 69 37 53.6 345 9.3 128
5 Brandon Stokley DEN 28 19 67.9 327 17.2 206
2010 Denver Broncos - Well no more Marshall, but Brandon Lloyd and Eddie Royal step up
1 Brandon Lloyd DEN 147 77 52.4 1448 18.8 189
2 Demaryius Thomas DEN 37 22 59.5 283 12.9 142
3 Eddie Royal DEN 93 59 63.4 627 10.6 377
4 Matt Willis DEN 1 1 100 17 17.0
5 Eric Decker DEN 8 6 75.0 106 17.7
6 Jabar Gaffney DEN 106 65 61.3 881 13.6 213
2011 Denver Broncos - dah Bears were better than this
1 Brandon Lloyd DEN 32 19 59.4 283 14.9 46
2 Demaryius Thomas DEN 58 29 50.0 517 17.8 122
3 Matt Willis DEN 32 18 56.3 267 14.8 103
4 Eric Decker DEN 89 43 48.3 607 14.1 187
5 Eddie Royal DEN 42 19 45.2 155 8.2 69
all stats are Targets - Completions - Comp PCT - Total Yards - AVG - YAC
1 Kyle Orton DEN 155 91 58.7 979 6.3
2 Tim Tebow DEN 250 120 48.0 1669 6.7
Whatever happens with Kyle Orton the Kansas City Chiefs identity is of a Running team. Selecting Three Offensive Lineman, a TE that excels at both the run block and the catch, and a solid Running Back will allow the Chiefs to pound the ball. Kyle Orton at QB will allow us to catch up in games we get behind the clock on.
That is my Vision of the 2012 Chiefs and addresses the Identity that we have lacked this season.
What do you see as the Identity of these Kansas City Chiefs?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Steve, I absolutely LOVE you "vision" and foresight ... and I hereby elect YOU as the new GM of the Kansas City Chiefs as we move forward from this point
you will, of course, be soundly reviled for not trading away umpteen draft picks and current warm bodies for TCQBWSNBN (or for RG3 for that matter) but THIS is by far my preferred scenario …
Orton starts, Cassel can go fly a kite remain as backup if so desired and our QBotF, be it Stanzi or Moore or someone else, can continue to learn and develop … meantime the Chiefs go on to again show everyone How The West Was Won and re-establish dominance in the AFC for years to come
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Holy Crap that is a Train Wreck :)
I wonder if Keanue Reeves made it of the train?
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
1895 at Gare Montparnasse in paris, France
they did it RIGHT!
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Love that picture -
And I echo your sentiments..
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 28, 2011 8:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Friends, please don't let friends
conduct a train drunk
by His Royal Greatness on Dec 28, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
It does have holes, that someone will shoot at :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I think DeCastro is great...
but I want his teammate. The KC identity will not change until we someone elite under center. The 3 options for that this offseason are Luck, RG3, and maybe Manning. Chiefs have to do everything their power to land one of those 3 players. My vote is that if Indy wins this weekend go after Luck, if they lose go after Manning. All else fails go after Griffen. That fails, stick w/ Cassel and develop Stanzi.
Oh, love the Allen pick too...
but I doubt we can land him in the 2nd. I bet we could get Fleener in the 3rd.
I agree...
he is a big WR, but so is Finley in Greenbay. I would rather have Allen, but I think Fleener offers good value in the 3rd.
there are other TE's if you don't want the all around package.
We have some of them already
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
What?
Coby isn’t the greatest blocker on Earth but he can block, and rather well.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 28, 2011 8:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
did someone say shoot?

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OK. I'll shoot at the holes I see.
Too high for TE and ILB. Rather go with trenches or perimeter there in the 2nd. I think they’re one better DB away from being ready to go high for ILB.
Just generalities, of course. A man who knows his stuff can (and should) defy general rules, in specific situations.
You raise a good point about stealing FAs from other teams, though. There’s no guarantee Pioli can seal the deal on a steal.
would of ≠ would've
will have to be perimeter
The Tackles are not awesome once Martin comes of the board.
Zebri Sanders versus The best TE? I take the TE who can help the RT and catch the ball.
The CB’s are all 190 lbs, we got flowers, so no luck either way
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
how's the crop at Safety position this year?
S/CB depth … would be nice, I think, after OLine, but in MY mind the OLine should be #1 priority
Prof thinks 2nd is too high for TE? perhaps, guess it depends on who’s around or not, I’d just as soon get a VERY good TE for depth and versatility behind Moeaki, even a TE/T/G guy who MAY not be “the best” at any one position but has the ability and smarts and versatility to provide QUALITY depth anywhere along the OLine
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With Berry and Lewis?
I wouldn’t draft an early round guy. The Question is do you roll with Berry and his backups or leave QB, RB of the draft card?
Maybe a UDFA can fill that need
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
of course look at the FA crop ... and I don't think we should (or can afford to) take one early
you and I and Prof and many, many others are on board with the “build the line(s) first” train (and we don’t want THAT derailed, now do we!)
if nothing else ditch Sabby for someone younger with speed and smarts, even if not from the top rounds (and I love McGraw but he’s not getting any younger, has to happen sooner or later)
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Winston Guy from Kentucky might be a late round guy
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Winston was ranked really low on CBS....he is a stud, like you Steve ; )
"Well now she's gone, even though I hold her tight........... I lost my love, my life that night."
who put Steve out to pasture?
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It's your B-Day?
"Well now she's gone, even though I hold her tight........... I lost my love, my life that night."
well, technically ... but I don't recognize it, haven't for years
figure the next “important” one will be when I can retire, but since I’ll be in debt til I’m several hundred years old, retirement isn’t likely for quite awhile, if then :-)
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Paul, John, George and Ringo have something for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=glNjsOHiBYs
"Well now she's gone, even though I hold her tight........... I lost my love, my life that night."
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, shucks! ty!
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FYI: never heard THAT version before ... how AWESOME!
big ol’ manly hug, my friend!
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This draft will go down as the Line Backer Draft
We have three studs already, let the other teams fight over the perceived best and we can grab a solid one :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
... and keep churning the roster ...
Hudson’s looking like he’s developing nicely, Tamba still has a few very good years left, and DJ as well … either a “swing” guy at OLB as depth and/or future or immediate ILB upgrade to and that group should be rock solid for 3-5 more years
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We have not seen Miller at all
we got money sunk in Studebaker and Sheffield.
I think Houston is the guy at SOLB
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I agee regarding Houston
Sheff I think has potential, I do like Studie, not the fastest or best in coverage, but he has “football smarts” that help him overcome other shortcomings, and gotta like the guy’s heart and motor
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Nice template..
Agreed with that first round pick.
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 28, 2011 9:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Thanks 62
We will see what is the lie of the draft come draft night!
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
and this year Free Agency will come first, oh boy!
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ok, so ...
Albert (5) – DeCastro® – Hudson (2) – Asamoah (3) – Maneri (3) – Moeaki (3)
not that I expect Maneri to start next year, who knows … and DeCastro is a “let’s pretend we get a super-rookie to start in place of Lilja” filler name for now
that’s what our OLine could look like in 2012 with a VERY young interior that has the potential to be awesome for years … oh my, yes, I am TRULY enjoying this thought
hey, it’s my birthday (and I am now officially one ear older than older than dirt) and I think THIS is what our new GM (Steve) should get me as a present (angelic smile)
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Happy Birthday Ups :)
as they say a Curse we all have every year, so 32 I think.
In pure Living my young man!
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
and that interior could be as Mean an Nasty as You are !
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
one can only hope ;-)
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and with all the 2 TE sets, going TE early makes sense and only will help and improve blocking over leonard pope
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
you catch on fast :-)
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This line would be freaking sick if Maneri can beat out Brick, and Ocallahan
I wonder if there isn’t another FA tackle that could be available. I like Maneri in as a TE or extra tackle.
Go Chiefs!!!!
oh, I was just using him as "filler" for now ... going with someone other than BRich, for my health
namely, I figured if I did use BRich there I’d get body-slammed by half of Arrowhead Pride :-)
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Well at least we know his knee is solid...
I like what he brings to the line.
Go Chiefs!!!!
seriously, I wouldn't be at all upset if we went OT and OG with our first two picks ...
or OT/TE.OG with our first three … and THEN look at S, ILB, RB
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fix the OL, find another TE, find another HB...Find a new NT, and I think this team can be very competitive for years to come
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
I agree
I do have a question on what we want our NT to be on these KC Chiefs.
A rock in the middle of the line for Run Defense
A penetrator ala Ratcliffe in Dallas and creates pressure for Pass Rush
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
will someone tell SDChief that TE actually IS OLine ... please!
… and thank you :-)
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SD was probably a Martin Rucker, Chase Coffman fan
I was too. Until I figured out TE’s ARE ACTUALLY OLINE WHO BLOCK AND CATCH…..How’d I do ups? Think it’ll sink in?
RG3, its easy as ABC.
very good, my friend ... you've just passed OLine 101
next course in your continuing education is DLine 210 with Professor Kalo
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O Crap
He gave me a D
not recognizing Double teams, Dammit
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
have to re-take the course, Steve
that’s gonna kill you in Student Loans
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I chose Bewsaf's O-line primer instead
worth 3 credits
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
now THAT guy knows his stuff, unlike SOME guys who only look at, you know, defense ;-)
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Whew
I was sweatin’ it there at the end. Why do Finals have to be so hard?
Oline 101 was tough enough, I dunno if I’m ready for Kalo’s Dline 210. Can I take the Gen-Ed “How To Choose Your own Adventure” with Professor BJ instead?
RG3, its easy as ABC.
yeah, but it doesn't count towards your "major"
might as well take a volleyball class … a lot less in required reading
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naaaah
He has to watch Antonio Gates every week
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, that guy can't do anything
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imagine how I feel!
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we get carried by mudpuppies
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that's why they're called mudPUPPIES
what, you thought they meowed? then they’d be called mudFISH …
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I like it
very well thought out draft. I especially like the BOOM-Heron pick in the 5th. What I don’t see is depth at S. I can live with Belcher and Siler duking out the ILB spot if it means we could grab a stout S prospect in the 3rd like Robert Lester or Antonio Allen.
I think that would be huge, especially because it would mark the end of Sabby, Washington, and Langford. McGraw is still a weak point, but he’s night and day better than the above 3. And that’s an awful thing. Rec’d.
RG3, its easy as ABC.
Thanks Shotty
A free Agent NT would be the best possible route, those guys come into their own around 30 anyways. Powe is enough as a groomer unless we go UDFA with another
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'd even start Powe next year before Gregg, I think ... not all that impressed with him (though others might well disagree)
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Kelly Gregg says:
“Happy Birthday, you old Fart”
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
ha!
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I was actually worried about McCants being the answer
hence a double down with another Tackle.
With only Albert signed for 2012, two drafted tackles and Mims would not be the best answer, competing with Richardson. Yes, 4 guys competing with the knowledge you got Two TE’s to help if need be in the gameplan. alas yes a Safety would be nice
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, Winston Guy will be around in the later rounds................he can line up anywhere
and he and Charles can go to the same Barber
"Well now she's gone, even though I hold her tight........... I lost my love, my life that night."
ha!
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Ups talkin' draft in December....WOW! it must be his Birthday...lol
"Well now she's gone, even though I hold her tight........... I lost my love, my life that night."
I know, huh!
I usually wait til March or April … and Free Agency almost never
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I like JM Johnson inside with DJ
waits for cheezy unoriginal nickname
we can call ’em “baby powder”!!!
by His Royal Greatness on Dec 28, 2011 10:15 PM CST reply actions
Wait till you see Kansas Cities
“Johnson”
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 28, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
band aids, baby shampoo ... this could cover a lot of territory
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Good post! and i agree we need a Vision
We have been all over the place the last 3 years and i agree 100 percent on the idea u are attempting to implement.
The only change i would say is I would skew more picks to the defense but I like all your picks and love the 2 TE sets and u got GREAT value in each round which i think is key over reaching. As I say that the idea of Barry Richardson at RT for one more year makes me puke in my mouth so who knows but getting the best guard and best TE would be solid so i cant argue…i would have gone Gaither at LT and Albert at LG and drafted a RT but oh wait…
I think our Defense is close so the one thing i dont want us to see do is draft a NT high and have to wait 2 to 3 years for them to develop. I would hope we throw a lot of money at NT Soliai if the Phins let go and then our Defense is gong to be a top 5 unit.
thanks
The new regime in Miami might not be a 3-4 group, which would be good for us. If Fisher ends up in St. Louis we don’t have to worry about them changing defenses. more talent for us on the defense
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
What I was thinking...on Miami
I think Sparano could end up on this staff as he is a big Parcalls guy.
I am hoping against a big flashy offensive hire and would be ok with a more ball control coordinator IF we keep Romeo and this defense. I would mimic the steelers and build a great defense year in and year out and hope for our Big Big eventually.
I like it overall
but I wonder how durable Moore can be at his size.
i like your draft
I do believe Orton and will be fine with weapons and a rebuilt oline buying time to develop the qb of the future. I think that the draft is solid it hits on gooda needs and in free agency we can address rb, de and safety which makes it easier also trading Cassel and dorsey can net extra picks too. Addressing anything of the shortcoming at ol,ilb,s,de and, te in the draft and filling in the gaps in free agency and resigning everyone would make a stellar team but I like the way you did it cause in free agency finding those leftover positions are there.
by rickrock58 on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
or i would
Give the colts something like a 2 1st this year and next Cassel and dorsey and draft luck or something little less and get rg3 if they want to go that route which is fine 2 too. Indy would buy that they need help on d get Cassel to provide manning backup get 2 first rounders to help rebuild where they need everyone happy
by rickrock58 on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I like parts of it
Especially the DeCastro pick. When we look at our team, our offense struggles to put up points and move the ball more than our defense struggles stopping others from doing the same. And that’s WITHOUT our best overall player (although DJ may have supplanted Berry in his absence).
So we look to the offense. Provided we ignore QB, which seems less and less like an option at this point, the MAJOR problem our offense has had under Orton is finishing drives. And a big part of that is an inability to run up the middle as we get in the red zone.
DeCastro helps take care of this problem (along with Hudson replacing Weigs) adding power to our interior line.
Our skill positions on offense are set. We need some beef, and DeCastro looks to be the best available guy for the line.
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welcome aboard, MN! the DeCastro Train is now boarding passengers at gate 10
how were finals?
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Pretty good
I won’t know about grades for some time, of course. But I feel like I did well… except with Contracts. But it seemed EVERYONE struggled with that one (seriously, you should’ve seen the looks on peoples’ faces as they started reading the test… it was like watching someone go through the five stages of dealing with death).
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with your Chiefs Will?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
here's hoping for the best ... I have faith in ya, young man! :)
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Of course, the MAJOR knock on Orton is his failure to be able to improvise when a play breaks
down, which happens on third downs and goal line situations most often. We will have to see if this condition can be rectified with better blocking, something that we discussed for Cassel all along. With Orton’s arm, I expect much more jump balls to our tall wide outs.
more time with our receivers could help that.
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 30, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Steve, I gotta question for you
You’re all hooked up with PFF, right?
Because I took a very casual poll, and it seems most here want to see a series of in depth posts on every position group.
I was wondering if in preparation for those pieces, if I emailed you which position group I was doing you could throw me the “in depth stats” PFF has on them.
If it’s too much work I TOTALLY get it. I just figured it’d be a great supplement to the film study I do when doing posts like those.
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sure I could do that if you also say they are PFF stats
when should i be checking my email account?
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 30, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I can do that
Is there any way we could just start now, with the defensive line (starters and backups if you can do it)? I decided that’s the position group I’m going to start with…
My email is MNchiefsfan@hotmail.com
Thanks Steve, it’s much appreciated. I’ll try to make it a fun read!
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
sent
if you need some other info send me an email :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
You can see that Orton isn't nearly as mobile as Cassel
Which is unfortunate.
Better in every other category. If he wasn’t such a statue I think he’d be a much more respected QB.
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if we can improve the OLine I wouldn't care if Orton wore 50 pound lead filled boots
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what does running have to do with being a QB?
Thiggy could run
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 30, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
ask MN, he was the one who mentioned mobility
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Ben nor Peyton are mobile
this guy is Mobile
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 30, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
WHO? never heard of the guy (huge grin)
and was fro real thinking of this one, too
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Ben's pretty mobile, when he isn't banged-up.
It’s always all about being able to bully anybody big enough to run your ass down, and Big Ben has that.
Peyton Manning, though, has had clean pocket most of his career. Most defenses that tried to blitz him also left insurance safeties back, and that’s enough for Manning to find a seam or the quick hot route. It’s been frustrating for me as a Chiefs fan because when they threw the blitzes at Manning (a must), they always would let people off the line free and gave Manning plenty of man-off looks that he could easily parse pre-snap for the hot.
would of ≠ would've
I want a QB that can move when he has to
Like when things completely break down, or when an edge rusher starts coming for him.
Look at Rodgers, the best in the NFL right now. He only runs when it’s necessary, but he uses that athleticsm to create another dimension the D has to account for.
I’ll take a statue with pocket awareness any day over a runner who can’t pass well, but it’s nice to have a guy who can do both (like a Young, Favre, Elway, etc.)
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
better a statue with awareness and an arm (Orton) than a deer-in-the-headlights movable statue with no clue what to do
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Agreed
Ideally, you can find someone with both. But that’s rare.
But yeah, I’ll take an Orton over a Thigpen any day.
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awesome! enjoy it while you can ...
because once football starts in the fall we’re goin’ down down down … seriously, what were those people thinking? LSU, Bama, Georgia … we’re gonna get hammered in the SEC
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We are going to spread em out and pound em Ups
No Fear
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 30, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you're right, Steve ...
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put 41 on the Tar Heels
the most NFL ready team besides well you know them Bama and Tigers boys
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 30, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
need to get Franklin ;-)
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sometime, when it's cold outside ... when it's quiet and dark
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I m honored to be your friend, Sir
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I like this post a lot
REC’d
Personally, as unsexy as it is, I’d like to take a RT earlier OR get someone in free agency. I hate barry richardson, but I’m not ready to give up on him as a player (only as a current starter). The dude is big. He seems athletic. And he’s still only 25. I’m just tired of him being a hole.
Same sentiments for Lilja, I like him as depth, but we need to be at a place where he is depth if we’re ever going to ever have a franchise QB. There’s no point in putting this year’s peyton (luck) or whoever the 2014 version is behind a porous line.
I would like another TE too. I don’t know enough about who’s available to know if allen is the guy, I’m done with the days of the Bechts and OConnel types. Pope should be depth.
I think you’ve done a good job of demoting our weak spots.
@relaxingpoo
oh yeah
and the bonus of showing orton’s (lack of) weapons throughout his career is awesome too.
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Thanks
Stats are the stats, but having similar stats with two totally different sets of WR’s is somewhat thought provoking. At least to some of us :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions

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