Raiders Vs. Chiefs: The Best And The Worst
Well, that blows.
In a day where everybody else took care of business, the Kansas City Chiefs left far too many of the Oakland Raiders' on-the-field presents unopened (and unblocked).
Worst game of the year for the Chiefs - Oakland at home. Five in a row. Seriously? My nightmares extend all the way back to blowing a 17-0 lead in the 1999 season finale to miss out on the playoffs (most crushing defeat of my Chiefs' viewing career). Throw in last year's momentum killing season finale, and my Tebow (oh wait, that's been proven false?), END THIS STREAK ALREADY.
The news isn't all too tragic though. My hope wasn't that the Chiefs would just make the playoffs, but that they'd be dangerous once IN the playoffs. Once I saw that the offense wasn't clicking at the same level as it was the week before, my ultimate aspirations had been lost. I don't need another Ravens (or Steelers) beatdown to establish that the Chiefs are not the best team in the NFL this year.
Frankly, I felt overjoyed that I was even watching a Chiefs game with playoff implications on the line in the first place. I have no idea how, with everything the Chiefs have been through this season. And now (for the fourth time this year) I officially declare the Chiefs season over and done with.
Lets revive this game like the career of Thomas "The Suddenly Well Used Down" Jones...
The Best and Worst w/ His Dirkness:
Best news about Kyle Orton - If THAT was "Bad Kyle Orton." Yes, he threw two picks, one throw behind a WR, and the other into the end zone when he decided to wear a blindfold on the play (best explanation right?). I don't care. He still threw for 300 yards. When the Chiefs get "Bad Matt Cassel," they typically throw for under 100 yards. Plus, Big Daddy Orton got it done when it mattered. As of now, I am 100% on the Kyle Orton for 2012 bandwagon.
Worst move the Chiefs could make now - Start Dick Stanzi (on the case!) next week. I'm not sure how prevalent this talk has been, but I've heard a few murmurs on it. Please stop. Stanzi isn't the man for 2012. Right now, Orton is the Chiefs' best hope going into next season. With the Matt Barkley news, the Chiefs won't sniff a rookie QB unless it's Nick Foles (ehh), Ryan Tannehill (please no), or Laundry (as in, I'll be doing your laundry in three years) Jones (no means no). Not to mention, this Chiefs defense is ready to win now. A rookie QB will take 2-3 years to mature into the position (unless Cam Newton and Andy Dalton are the rules and not the exceptions). So unless the Chiefs can make a deal for a QB in the offseason (Peyton Manning, Tony Romo, or What's in the Box?!? The Box! The Box! Awww, it's Derek Anderson), Orton is the man. Or, atleast, I hope so. But lets find out what he can give us when he's super motivated (and he will be super motivated next week). I predict Orton goes nuts.
Worst move by Muir - Not running the ball enough. I'm back and forth on if seeing what you got in Kyle Orton or winning this game was more important to the Chiefs on Sunday. But if you wanted the Chiefs to win the game above all else, then running the ball more was imperative. I HAVE settled on the opinion that Pooh Bear Muir should not retain his job as offensive coordinator.
Worst move by Crennel - Going with a cover 2 defense on a 2nd and 18 (the Raiders first big pass play of the game). The Cover 2 is vulnerable to deep parts of the field. Offenses can split the safeties deep down the middle, or with enough time, can match the speed of a WR with a deep safety 1-on-1 (advantage: WR). It was almost identical to the Broncos' big passing play against the Chiefs a month ago. However, the defensive call made sense against Tebow and the run heavy Broncos, while it was a poor strategy against the vertically enthused Raiders on a 2nd and 18 play (especially with Reshard Langford at safety). Do I feel good about criticizing a defense that allowed two, and only two, plays the entire game? No, no I don't. In fact...
Best non-factor to see - The Raiders' running game. Non-existent. 71 yards on 25 carries from a top rushing team in the league. This defense....Wow. Built to stop the run and the pass now. The biggest weakness will be restored by a (hopefully) 100% Eric Berry. I'm having dreams of a Top 5 defense in 2012.
Best kept secret - Tyson Jackson > Glenn Dorsey.
Best hustle play of the game - Dexter McCluster on Orton's end zone INT. It took me till the second viewing to appreciate, but if Buster McCluster doesn't hustle his tuckus off then Matt Giordano (Piscitelli's third cousin) takes it back to the house (a possession the Raiders got no points on).
Worst short yardage team in the NFL - The Chiefs. Have been for two years now. Why no QB sneak on 4th and one? I'd do it every time. It's mystifying to me that teams don't. Watching Tom Brady sneak in two touchdowns from the one yard line in the postgame highlights didn't help the matter.
Best NBA Jam player - Dwayne Bowe in the 4th quarter. Bowe takes one away from a defender for 15 yards (Boomshakalaka), breaks a tackle on his next catch for 13 yards (he's heating up), catches a TD pass (he's on fire!), and finally snags one for 25 yards with under 15 seconds left in the game (is it the shoes?). Yes, Bowe dropped a TD pass (that led to no points - Orton INT), but he more than acquitted himself by almost single-handedly pulling that game out for the Chiefs.
Worst job security on the team - Steve Hoffman. I hate to keep bashing on the man because he shares the same name as one of my best friends from childhood, but damn son! How many blunders can you have on special teams in a matter of two weeks? A 90 yard kick return to start the game, a fake field goal for a touchdown (nullified, but not forgotten), and conceding two blocked field goals this week. Looking for a strategical error to criticize are you? In field goal formation, why is Barry Richardson on the left side of the line, while Branden Albert is on the right? Anybody?
Worst rule clarification - You cannot jump up to block a field goal from under the posts. Damn, that sucks! I've always wanted to see a player attempt what Brandon Flowers did, ignorant to the fact that it's illegal (don't think it should be). And in case you're wondering if that is yet another knock on Hoffman - Yes, yes it is.
Best game up until the worst possible time - Kendrick Lewis. The most improved Chief of 2011 had one of the best games of his career (pass breakup on big 3rd down was awesome), up until the big play in overtime (I blame lack of pass rush, speed of WR, and good throw from Palmer all ahead of Lewis).
Best Christmas present never received - A Sebastian Janikowski missed field goal. And he thought he did too, you can see him breathe a sigh of relief (and of course, out popped a Polish Sausage).
Best highlight show of all time - NFL Primetime with Chris Berman and Tom Jackson. It's such an easy formula and yet, every other show screws it up. Just show highlights. I don't need analysis from Michael Irvin on anything outside of drug trafficking. Just give me 2-3 minutes to tell the story of every game from Sunday. It's that easy. Unfortunately, Berman and TJ's return was only a one week special, so I'm back to scramble mode for next week's highlights.
Worst news of the loss - We don't get Orton v. Tebow for all the marbles. This would be a huge game, not only around KC, but throughout the entire NFL. And we still get it, there's just way less at stake for the Chiefs now. However, I still want to keep the Broncos out of the playoffs BAD. As much as I hate the Raiders, I hate the Broncos that much more. In fact, I'm curious which rival Chiefs Nation hates most these days. (Cue poll.)
Best guess on Broncos/Raiders hatred - It's divided by generation. If you grew up on the Chiefs in the 90's (like me), then it was the Broncos who consistently ripped your heart out, while the Raiders were more of a joke than anything, therefore leading to more hatred for the Jackasses. A generation older would most all come down on the Raiders because of their success in the 70's and 80's. Younger than me? Might hate the Chargers for all I know. Sound off Chiefs Nation...
Cheer up Chiefs fans. There's still plenty of reason to cheer next week. We can finish off yet another late season Broncos choke job. We can drive a stake through Tebow's mystique. And we might get a glimpse of our future QB at his very best.
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I disagree, orton is way too inconsistent
he’s either packers-good or Oakland-good. Let’s look at his past teams, bears & broncos. Good on some occasion. Horrible on others.
we need to draft a new QB
by Chiefshero on Dec 26, 2011 6:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good luck with that
Because we’re not getting a high round QB.
by KC_Chiefs on Dec 26, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
pioli needs to trade up, offer up tons of money, or go behind the shed and give a reach around.
anything to get a good QB
There are multiple teams with higher picks that will want a QB even worse than we do
Because Orton’s at least a starting caliber QB, even if it’s an average one. There’s multiple teams in front of us that don’t even have that. No way we’re outbidding them.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 26, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take Orton over Cassel any day.
We won’t draft a QB first round.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 26, 2011 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
hey I think orton has potential but based on his past performance and his current 2..
he’s too inconsistent. We need to draft a QB or teach him to become consistent.
by Chiefshero on Dec 26, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, we play a last place schedule again next year. That makes 9-7 or 10-6. Orton
is definately better than Cassel. Schedule will suck us all in for another year of the yo-yo.
Hate to break it to ya
But we play NFC South and AFC North next year. Most likely the Bills and Colts again. That is not an easy schedule whatsoever
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 26, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget how young those Bucs are. Or how well they tackle.
Actually, when I think about 2012, my biggest fear is Cam Newton single-handedly shellacking this team. We can play with the Falcons; we’re basically the same team with a B-/C+ quarterback instead of an A-/B+ guy. And Tampa looks like we did in 2008: Totally disorganized.
New Orleans will be a tough one…Carolina will be scary good if they get any kind of defense.
That might have morphed into the toughest division in the league this year.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
When people say stuff like this it tells me that they arent being objective or dont watch much NFL because there are maybe 2/3 qbs in the entire league who dont have stinkers and thats being generous . All Qbs have up and down performances
by Willie Beamon on Dec 26, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One yard difference?
299 = packers-good
300 = Oakland-good
I liked Orton on the Bears..
ALWAYS thought he was more dangerous than Cutler!
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 26, 2011 6:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well I think the two picks have to be noted.
That said he didn’t seem to be getting the same time in the pocket against the Raiders, I like what I’ve seen of Orton, especially the play-action, (don’t they teach that in QB practice? Cassel doesn’t seem to get it.) but I think even Cassel, could do pretty well with a good line.
by eomer on Dec 26, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One of those picks is on Bowe...bad technique put the defender in front of him instead of behind
Orton threw a bad one in the EZ, but only one.
Better timing with receivers and a little more experience could improve the results. As it is, back to back 300 yd games? Any day over Cassel…
with a better O-line (gasp, some actual push in the middle) and we’ll have a killer O
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Dec 26, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
These are great points. Orton is never going to be elite in any way but at least he
can get the ball out there way better than Cassel will ever do.
by jcox31mc on Dec 26, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
A motivated Orton might be a sight to behold
Unfortunately, WE DON’T PLAY THE BRONCOS EVERY WEEK.
Look, there is a reason Orton is who he is. I’m sick and tired of this hope against hope crap that some journeyman/backup/hobo with gorgeous hair will be the 2nd coming of Lenny D.
If we can’t get a quarterback early in this draft, I’m already ready already to scrap the 2012 season for a shot at a top QB in 2013. Put in Stanzi with a full offseason of work and practice with the ones. Best case: he’s good. Worst case: he’s not good.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 26, 2011 6:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
With a rookie QB in 2013
You’re almost assuredly wasting the prime of this defense. He probably won’t be ready until 2015 or so. Are you ready to do that?
by HisDirkness on Dec 26, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
All the more reason to get Stanzi in there asap
You just are not going to bumble your way into a consistently good QB by continually sifting through the dregs of the league. Try out your “unknown quantity” for a few games, possibly the whole season.
No one is saying Orton can’t be a good quarterback, but consistent is something he has never ever been, hence why he has been benched in favor of other quarterbacks his entire career.
Bottom line: you don’t have to completely start over the entire team just because you draft a franchise quarterback. And regardless, I would much rather have an elite quarterback than defense, no question about it
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 26, 2011 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah because Orton could really lead us to the SB
You can make a case that starting Orton over Stanzi is wasting the prime of this defense.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 26, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Point taken Delaney...but let's not forget, Lenny D was the hobo with gorgeous hair.
AND he happened to find a great coach who happened to beleive in matriculatin’ the ball down the field.
I don’t disagree with you, actually. But I felt that was worth mentioning.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If Orton started every single game
this season, do you really think we go 6-9 up until now? Just curious. Cause if you think we would have picked up a couple more wins like I do then he should be the QB next season. Finding “the answer” just for the sake of trying to find one will end up with a wasted pick.
Add in Charles and Moeaki and Orton has never had a group like this to play with. And that certainly does matter.
by Steve_in_RI on Dec 26, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to tell where those couple of extra wins would be
Considering we were completely blown out in 6 of our 9 losses, and a few of those wins might turn out to be losses with different situations. So it really is just a wash.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 26, 2011 7:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the extra wins would come with Crennel, not Orton
Todd had a penchant for getting blown out in a LOT of games. Maybe better gameplans going into some of those lead to more victories pulled out in the end.
Who was in charge of the defense in those blowouts.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Who was in charge of the offense that couldn't stay on the field longer than 35 seconds
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 26, 2011 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am so tired of hearing the
“it’s the defenses fault for the blowout” talk. You go out on a field and play for 50 minutes. Physically in shape or not, that’s hard for anybody.
tell that to soccer players
they play for 45 min straight then get a 15 min brake only to play another 45 min straight.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
2 or 3 of those blowouts may have turned out differently
had we done anything but 3 and outs the entire 1st half. I think Orton would have made a difference.
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his way" Josh Billings
Kansas City Chiefs - 2020 Team of the Decade
Orton
I think fans should take this into account about Orton. He has never had weapons or good offensive lines and he has made chicken salad from shit before. Give him an off season and Ill bet anyone he would be hands down better than Cassel.
by Brandt34 on Dec 26, 2011 6:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Agree. He can't be worse. Get our players back and draft some help and Orton will help us to
maybe even 10-6 or 11-5 with a last place schedule. Then maybe even win one playoff game. Wait, it depends on who the coach is. If Crennel, we’ll be lucky to go 8-8.
HisDirkness, I just see RAC like so many. He will motivate for awhile, win some and lose
some like the last two weeks and we’re right back where we are now. Mediocrity. It’s the same with HC and QB, they either have it or they don’t and until we have at least one of the two, we’re never going anywhere towards a SB, and usually you have to have both or pretty close.
The only "it" a coach can have is an elite QB
Anything else just doesn’t matter
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 26, 2011 7:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hank Stram took some forgotten bum off the street and did OK with him, if I recall correctly.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a much different time
Long gone are the days of innovation and invention by savvy coaches. This is the time of strong armed, accurate quarterbacks with fearless pocket presence and commanding field operating. The coach does nothing except have a few questionable calls that don’t really matter because their QB will bail them out.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 26, 2011 7:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
As I said several posts above, when I first pointed this out...I don't really disagree with you.
But the job of a coach in today’s NFL isn’t to innovate so much as it is to teach—to instruct on technique, and to hold players accountable to the team’s system.
A quarterback who has shown he can DO those things—above-average arm strength, accuracy, stand-up pocket presence & assertive field command—can be coached to have that kind of success, consistently, if he’s in a system that suits him, has a staff focusing on the bottom line, and is willing to do the work.
Drew Brees wasn’t that guy until what, his last year in San Diego? He goes to NO as an injury risk, but their coach designed a system that suited him and got him to raise his game….and tah-dah, top shelf quarterback. A guy who was ignored by most of the league because of a) an inconsistent start and b) a bum shoulder.
Eli Manning? The butt of jokes, “Manning Jr,” Elisha. Wilted under pressure, poor decision-maker…but his staff stood with him because they saw he had what it took and just needed to put it together. This year? This is the best Eli I’ve ever seen. If he’s not elite, he’s just underneath it…
Getting those two guys to the elite level wasn’t a “coach do(ing) nothing except hav(ing) a few questionable calls that don’t really matter.”
We need to find “that guy” Delaney, you and I (and everyone else on this blog) know it. And we need to search under every rock to get there. Do I think that our wavier wire/free agent pickup is going to be the second coming of Lenny the Cool? No. I really don’t. Bad Kyle is as frightening as Good Kyle is inspiring.
But at the same time, all of the above quarterbacks tell me that whoever we have needs to be given a chance to show they have “it”—that commanding field presence, ability to throw the ball fifty yards downfield in the midst of a zone blitz, or evade the rush and pick up a first down. Whether it’s Orton or Stanzi or Foles or RG3 or anyone…they have to be given a chance, taught the right technique, and allowed to let ’er rip in any condition.
Badass quarterbacks aren’t born. They’re made. Even Peyton Manning midfired on a pass once in his life.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
well; said and what I see keep getting glossed over here is that Orton was never the guy . he played with two first rd picks Grossman and tebow they were always gonna get there chance
which is the case with ALL FIRST RD PICKS. If there is a chance the Colts would give up Manning because they get Luck what chance does Orton have ?
by Willie Beamon on Dec 27, 2011 2:07 AM CST up reply actions
And that bum was a HOF QB
What’s your point?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 26, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, WarPaint, that WAS my point.
Stram was the right coach with the right system, and Dawson was a guy with talent who hadn’t gotten a real chance anywhere else. Delaney seems to be saying that success is all on the superior, once-in-a-lifetime QB and has little/nothing to do with coaching. I’m refuting that, that’s all.
…Sorry if it seemed otherwise…?
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 27, 2011 7:05 AM CST up reply actions
Further, with Vermeil and Trent Green we had the coach (though he was getting up
there in years) and green was probably a notch or two above Orton, so you can see that we aren’t going anywhere without improvement in one or both areas. Our defense is approaching being great but it will all be wasted if we don’t get the right coach, and to me Crennel is not that coach. DC, yes. HC, no.
Is it the game management issues, jcox?
That’s my big deal with him. He brings consistency, respect, knowledge of The Process of player development, knowledge of Pioli’s talent scouting methods…but there’s just something about RAC and the team that makes me think the students are running the school.
It comes down to consistent discipline and game management for me, and I’m just not sold yet.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Good point. I agree there too. The players will run all over him after a year or
two or sooner, like they did Edwards and he’s just too old and mild mannered to be a good aggressive HC. Nice guy is just not the answer and I know what “too old” is, I’m 66 and there is no way that I could keep up the energy to be a HC (and I do have good management abilities and history) but age catches up with you. I admire Vermeil for realizing and accepting it.
See, and Dick ran a tight ship to begin with. The man invented the term "burnout" at his own press conference in Philly!
He mellowed enough with age to take a couple of teams pretty damn far…won the whole thing in St. Louis and (if we had ANY defense) should have made some serious noise in 2003-4.
And the opposite is true with Crennel; I feel like he’s figured out that he has to be stern-ER as a head coach than he was (he HAD to have learned something from his time in Cleveland). But his “tougher” still feels like it’s lacking something—accountability? Efficiency? I can’t put my finger on it.
Not like I “know” what I’m talking about or anything. I’m just some guy with a TV who watches waaaay too much football. So I could be all wrong on this. That said, I still feel like he’d be a somewhat tougher Edwards, and I’m not sure that’s good enough.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Should be another option in the poll.
“Agree with RAC” I don’t “Hate” any team in the NFL, I mean come on, it’s a game. That said I do root for all three teams to lose during the season, starting with whichever one is on top out of the three. Right now? Who cares? I’d say if the Broncos can beat us again they deserve to go to the playoffs. But if I understand things correctly I’d say you should be rooting for the team you like the least, since I don’t think any of us think either of them have what it takes to win multiple playoff games. And it will make next season that much harder for them.
After seeing how well the Chiefs didn’t do against the Raiders I figure it’s a blessing in disguise that they lost. I mean I’m tired of them losing the first post season game every time, and in the long run it should help them.
Don’t get me wrong I was rooting for them the whole game right down to the last kick, but looking back it’s probably just as well. If they could have dominated the Raiders, then I’d think they had a shot of getting somewhere in the playoffs, but not with the way they played.
Uh, if it's okay with everybody I hate the Donkeys, the Raiders,
and I am not too crazy about the Bolts. Matter of fact, fu*k it, I don’t care what anybody thinks, I hate them all. Donkey fans drove around my block honking their dumbass horns after the Donks won their first Super Bowl with donkey face Elway. Yup, I hate the Donks.
"The Hammer"
by G.L. on Dec 26, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Think about what Alex Smith is doing in San Fran
He is a similar player to Matt Cassel, and the 49ers D and Running game makes him look like he’s worth a first rounder.
Orton is better than Alex Smith, and is in a similar situation. Smith has had just as many Offensive Coordinators as Orton (i.e. way too many), and isn’t as good of a passer. Of course, Orton will never be a Tom Brady, but with a solid running game like we had last year, a solid OC, and a stable WR core, I think Orton could take us to the Superbowl.
Still having doubts? See: Trent Dilfer. The dude was just awful, maybe one of the worst QB’s to win a Superbowl title, and Orton is much better than Dilfer ever was.
In support of RAC, the key to winning a Superbowl these days is consistency and continuity. Either in a DC or HC scenario, Romeo must stay.
In support of Pioli, the guy has built more depth than we’ve had in a while, and we are still pretty far under the salary cap.
by husker_doc on Dec 26, 2011 7:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Orton is not better than Alex Smith.
The reason Smith is looking good for the 49ers is because he isn’t turning the ball over this season ( like throwing stupid picks in the red zone).
by ChiefsFetish on Dec 26, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Needed a fourth option................
I can’t stand any of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by LadyChief on Dec 26, 2011 7:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Running the ball.
In the 3rd and 4th quarter we were averaging over 5.5 ypc. In the 4th we were running it for over 6.5 ypc. Why did we stop running the ball?
On Orton, I’m not sold. I think he’s an OK backup plan but 2/9 in the red zone tds the last two weeks sounds alot like why the Broncos cut ties with hi,
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
"Worst move by Crennel"- I don't agree even a bit.
Worst was by far the no challenge on the Orton first down run and second worst move was using a timeout to stop the 10 second runoff at the end of the first half. A shorter kick=more loft= probably not blocked.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Yeah
WTF was he thinking not throwing the flag on that play. Also WTF was that by Orton? That was a no guts play by both of them on that one. That is a change the game type of play and they both blew it…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I don't think the Orton run would've been changed in a challenge
And i was satisfied with Orton’s effort, he’s just a stiff. But how would not using the timeout lead to a shorter FG? I can’t pinpoint the situation…
We got penalized for Orton's intentional ground and there's a ten second runoff for that inside two minutes.
It was 3rd and 18s or so with 38 seconds left. Romeo decided to stop the runoff by using a timeout which was completely unnecesary because time wasn’t a factor and odds were against us making the first down anyway. Coming out of that break Orton didn’t like what he saw, called for another timeout, we get penalized another 5 yards.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 27, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I also think it would've easliy been changed.
Orton came to a complete stop before any part of him hit the ground and when he game down the ball was at/past the marker. The ref came in and backed up the ball 1/2 yard which is suggesting some part of him was down before the ball hit the ground which just wasnt the case at all.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Tell me more, dirkness...tell me more.
1) What’s so “ehh” about Nick Foles? I legitimately don’t know. Is his attitude sour (he did transfer once, from Mich State), not athletic, not accurate…? Do his guys not play hard for him?
2) Also, more on the No Tannehill wagon. I’m not expecting him to be Andrew Luck but his resume indicates a guy with plus athleticism who can be coached. If we skip out on a #1 quarterback in 2012 (and my guess is we do), why can’t he be brought in to keep the heat on Stanzi?
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
See, people bag on both guys knowing our general manager doesn't jump at "big names" on draft day most of the time.
You’d think someone would come up with a good scouting rationale for one or the other of these cats, right? Because with Rainman Pioli in charge, guys who fit his scouting system and/or present athletic value/versatility will be drafted before an RG3 would be.
/cough
Excuse my bitterness, lol.
What’s good on Foles, Steve? Arm strong? Does he see the field, make his reads, have escapability…? I can read all I want on the CBS website but if you’ve see him play, that always helps.
Tannehill, well, anyone who played wideout for two years before switching back to QB is going to be a risky bet, lol…
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
To be honest I don't know that much about him
but I don’t have much confidence in a guy who took his team to a 3-9 or 4-8 record or whatever they finished this year. I’ve watched him play a few times in years past but never saw anything to make me think we should draft that guy. Tannehill I did watch a few times and that dude came up short in plenty of big moments. And bringing one of them in just adds more of the same to the pot. Just my thoughts, but I honestly haven’t looked into any of them too much.
Oh look
there’s a rec! As it should be! Got me with the NBA Jam references. Entertaining read. Our season is over, I don’t know that we’re primed for takeoff, or primed for takeout.
We have the makings of a good team, but we need help. With the coaching staff and with players. We’ll see what Pioli does this offseason. Hopefully he’ll find a way to make use of the money he’s sat on for the last 3 years.
RG3, its easy as ABC.
Here's what will happen..
Orton will be our starter next year.
Cassel will be the backup.
Stanzi will be the third QB.
We may draft a QB in the middle to third round to compete with Stanzi.
Palko will go quietly into the night ala Brodie C.
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 26, 2011 7:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I really hope someone offers something of value on draft day, so Pioli can let go of Cassel.
That is a locker-room disaster waiting to happen.
-Orton: Better arm, more natural passer, sees the field much more clearly and with better anticipation. Can be a head case who doesn’t handle competition as well as he could.
-Cassel: More athletic, more mobile, better team player of the two. Doesn’t see the field well, or sense the rush, but leads a team and handles adversity more effectively.
Yay, the coach’s pet versus the athletic head case for #1 QB of the Chiefs. Spring Ball 2012: Catch the Fever!
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Dec 26, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree on Orton
he has a history of being a bit of a pouter, i.e. when the Broncos fans wanted Tebow instead of him. If it were up to me, I’d give Orton a year to prove himself and let Cassel go.
A pouter????
did you see how the donks fans treated him, I’d like to see anyone try and keep your composure and play at a high standard under all the duress he had.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
by Hoochdawg on Dec 26, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd...and I'm pretty much on board with your best & worst
You could be right about the generational attitudes toward the rest of the West, so I must be the anomaly…
While I’m a Raider-hater from the early days (60’s when I was a wee girl), if my Chiefs can’t be in the playoffs I’d rather the Raiders than the doofus donkeys get the nod. Sort of the best enemy is the choice over the most disgusting enemy.
I also fall into the category of hating the donks from the horse-face days…and he’s STILL there…ugh.
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
I just thought of something funny.................
All of the Chiefs’ QB’s have longer hair than me!
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HUH!?!?!?
Matty Nice and KO have longer hair than YOU do??? Damn … are you a punk rocker chick? LOL! Are you Sinead O’Connor?; always had my suspicions she was a Chiefs fan! Dude … my hair is as long as Blaine Gabbert’s, or just about. And every once in a while I dye it midnight black, too. ;+)
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner. You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really *don't* want me to go down there!
by LocoLoboChico on Dec 27, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Oakland will always be the team I hate the most
SD I cant stand the “fans” or the unwarranted love from the media but has always been the “other team” of the conference
Denver dislike but no real hate except for when the 2 1/2 jackasses were there, and now the second coming doesnt help any
-Kool Aid drinking Cassel Believer-
Buffalo W (0-1) @Indianapolis W (3-2) Denver W (4-5) @Jets W (6-7)
@Detroit W (0-2) @Oakland L (3-3) @New England L(5-5) Green Bay L (6-8)
@San Diego L (1-2) San Diego W (4-3) Pittsburgh W (5-6) Oakland W (6-9)
Minnesota W (2-2) Miami W (4-4) @Chicago W (6-6) @Denver W
Thunder Win-Loss 2011-2012 record (52-14)
Western division champs
NBA Champs over Miami Heat
John Elway says Hi!

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by LadyChief on Dec 26, 2011 8:09 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Lol
Starting Stanzi in his 2nd year would be a waste of the Defense’s prime, but starting Orton isn’t?
Lmao
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Sure
Or somebody else.
I just don’t see how starting Stanzi is more of a waste then starting Orton, neither have proven anything in this league at this point, especially Orton.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 26, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Orton has proven
that he can be a starting quarterback and Stanzi, by seeing him in practice, has not proven that. There has to be another reason besides Haley that Stanzi hasn’t seen the field.
by old_school on Dec 27, 2011 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't really know tbh
I’m not the one who brought it up.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 26, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Not understanding when people think Orton isn't good
Alot of judging of QBs is based on the weapons he has or doesn’t have around him. Chicago never had WR/TEs worth a damn and in Denver all his weapons were shipped away to go with a no-so-good-OL. He supposed to throw it to himself?
by KCinIL on Dec 26, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rex Grossman took the Bears places that Orton couldn't.
That’s really all that needs to be said.
by ChiefsFetish on Dec 26, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
They both went 13-3
Rex was there before Orton, and Love was in love with sexy Rexy. How’d that work out for em?
by KCinIL on Dec 26, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They made it to the Super Bowl or something right?
My memories fuzzy though so I don’t know if I’m remembering things correctly.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 26, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
And they regretted Rex playing that game ever since lol.
by KCinIL on Dec 26, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think they do
They might not have made it to the SB with Orton at the helm.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 26, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
when the talk of claiming Orton on the waiver wire first started I read a article that quoted a bears beat writers as saying the players on that SB felt they wouldve won the SB with Orton
The writers says comes directly from veteran players on the team .
Ill say it again Ortons never been the guy.
by Willie Beamon on Dec 27, 2011 2:10 AM CST up reply actions
Rex Grossman had a really good five or six game streak
at the beginning of that year. Then he became the Rex Grossman of old. By that time, the defense was clicking so much that Grossman as game manager was sufficient enough to win playoff games in a weak NFC.
I’m not so sure that Grossman was clear-cut the better option after the season was all said and done.
by old_school on Dec 27, 2011 9:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
For me it isn't that Orton isn't good.
It’s that I don’t think he’s good enough. I don’t want that feeling that we’re settling for another re-tread just to stopgap until a more permanent option comes around.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 26, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Who's around though?
I just think with him at the helm next year with additions to the line, we’re a top 10 offense. Just my opinion, call me crazy, but it’s been night and day with us moving down the field when he’s taking over. Imagine if we actually give em more than a month with these receivers
by KCinIL on Dec 26, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I chose Raiders
before Saturday, it would have been Denver. I’ve hated Denver since the mid-ninties, but, the way the Raiders fans gloated after beating us on Saturday stirred up a new kind of hatred for that team and every ugly, toothless, inbred felon that cheers for them. F*ck the RAIDERS!
by jonnyu on Dec 27, 2011 12:49 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Damn
not one person had any insight as to why Richardson lines up on the left and Albert lines up on the right for field goals. Anybody???
Well, the right side would be the holder's blind side. Maybe that, or something to do with fakes.
I didn’t actually see how Barry did, I assume not well enough. The one guy I saw on his ass after both blocks was 68 (Maneri) – a light-weight tackle lined up on the inside.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
To answer the question of how many more wins
we would have if Orton was our QB…the 1st Chargers game, the Broncos Tebow completes 2 passes game, the Steelers game & u might b able to throw the Patriots game in the mix but even minus the Pats game we would be 9-6 playing a meaningless game with the division already locked up but in OUR favor…so to those who wanna c Cassel or Stanzi cut it out…Kyle Orton, with only a few weeks with the team has put up better performances than Cassel has in his 3 years playing with us & thats without having Charles in the backfield…imagine Orton wit the play action pass with a RB teams actually fear…give Orton a 3 year run…if u can find a QB develop him behind Orton…have Stanzi battle a vet for the back up role…
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by JustaArrowheadDude on Dec 27, 2011 7:36 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Raiders cheat on the field, Broncos cheat off the field. That's the main difference for me.
I don’t respect the Chargers enough to actually hate them.
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