What The Chiefs To Do List Should Be:
by AaronMannicci on Dec 25, 2011 12:22 AM CST
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Today was a tough lost, and I won't be able to get over it for a while. Looking back at the season, The Chiefs really didn't deserve to make the playoffs, but they really have found out who they were, what they need in the off season, and they know that if they keep making progress they can do some good things in this league. To make it back into the Playoffs last year, here is what I think should be on Scott Pioli's To Do list for this off season:
Fix up the offensive line- Our offensive line definitely has improved lately, but even with this improvement, they are far from being considered a Good Offensive Line. They will most likely have a pick somewhere around the 10th overall, and there's a decent group of lineman this draft. Since OT Matt Khalil will probably be gone by then, I think Johnathan Martin is the next best one this year. I can see them looking into free agency, or into the draft for this position. I would think they would like another young lineman that can replace the Horrific Barry Richardson, and then they would have a fairly young and good offensive line.
Compliment Derrick Johnson and The Pass Rush- The Chiefs pass rush improved tremendously in these past few weeks, but it seems if Tamba Hali can't get it started, nobody can. With Justin Houston and Tamba with the outside Linebacker position, I think their good there. Javon Belcher isn't a big play-maker. There's a player like him on every team. His contract is also up this year too. I would think Pioli would re-sign him, and also look to free agency for a replacement, because that is a pretty big hole in their defense. Many people would disagree with this, but here it goes: London Fletcher is supposed to be a free agent this year, and he would be an awesome pick up for the Chiefs, and he would also give some leadership in the locker room too. But no matter who it is, The Chiefs need some help at the inside linebacker position.
Make Romeo Crennel The Head Coach and re-sign Kyle Orton- If you watched the past 2 weeks for the Chiefs, they defintely looked like a whole new team, and Crennel and Orton have gave them a big spark. There have been numerous players saying that they would like Romeo Crennel to be the Official Head coach, and I totally agree with that. He gave the Chiefs life. He gave them something to play for. That's something that Todd Haley or even Herm Edwards didn't. Also, Kyle Orton threw for 299 yards, and 300 yards in his first two starts has a Chief. Matt Cassel did threw for over 300 yards only 3 times in 3 season. Yes, 3 times, in 3 seasons. And Kyle Orton did it 2 times in a row. Looking back at both of their career's they are really kind of the same player. But Orton has played much better this year, and is worth a lot less more money too. So I'd say Bye Bye to Cassel, and Say hello to your new QB, Orton, And head coach, Crennel.
Draft or Sign a Defensive Tackle and Defensive End- When the Chiefs signed both Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson, it looked like they would have a stellar defensive line for years. But a few years into their career's, they both have made absolutely NO production. The Chiefs can't be satisfied with this, and to be a Championship contender, they need better. Since drafting both of them, They have put up an astounding 6 sacks. Yes, 6. And not even more than 400 tackles. That's bad. There are plenty defensive ends and DT's out there this off season, so they will definitely need to plug up that big whole in their defense this off season. And as you all should know by now, Kelly Gregg is not the answer at Defensive Tackle.
That's all I have for now. Comment with your thoughts and disagreement/agreements in the comment section . Merry Christmas Chiefs fans!
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I cant live with
Orton throwin picks or not gettin in the endzone once we get scoring opportunities. I’ll live with cassel for one more year
by tyson_jackson who? on Dec 25, 2011 1:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Orton is much better than Cassel
And I put more of the red zone woes on the playcalling and the drops rather than on him.
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by Soccer Over Football on Dec 25, 2011 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, and
running plays getting stuffed and illegal procedure and holding penalties . . .
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McNabb
They’re both horrible…..There’s a reason Orton is on team no. 3 and Cassel is nothing better and a good back up…our seasons over we might as well see what we have in Stanzi but than again he will sit on the bench while Orton thinks hes still a Bronco and we let Tebow beat us again. Maybe we should go after McNabb we’ve always like refurbished QB’s.
On Orton
When Orton did a good job against Green Bay, the smart thing to do was wait until the remaining games were played before making a decision on him. So now we’ve seen one good and one not so good. Maybe we should wait until after the Denver game to make a better decision about him.
Really?
I saw an excellent game from Orton yesterday. He had that one mistake, yes, but let’s not forget the perfect pass just before it that Bowe dropped in the end zone. Besides that, Orton just lit it up. All those false starts and holding penalties weren’t his fault, and he was fighting them all day long.
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by AZDynamics on Dec 25, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
truth
he also kept composure in the pocket and delivered a strike just before getting creamed, I forget the receiver, but saw it again on NFL Primetime just a bit ago. The first pick is on him, for sure, but as you said, had Bowe caught that ball (he wanted a flag but it still hit him in the hands) that pick never occurs and KC gets six.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Don't get me wrong
Compared to Cassel, Orton looked great. But that red zone pick was inexcusable. It took away the immediate thought that Orton could easily move on to become the guy going forward. Which brings me back to my point that I want to see this last game to get a better read on things.
by old_school on Dec 25, 2011 7:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He played a good game.
Better than we have had in a long time. Yes, he made a mistake. But how long has he been with this team? Two weeks? Compared to Cassel? There ain’t no comparison.
Would not have been a mistake had Bowe made the catch where the ball hit both of his hands, also would not have been no overtime. Wait all you want.
I understand
Every QB has a pick now and then. I remember when Champ picked Brady in the EZ and ran it back 99 yards. It happens. But interceptions in the EZ are a rarity for Orton. In Chicago, when he had Forté and a couple great TEs, Orton had one of the highest passer ratings in the league in the red zone. So I don’t believe there’s any need for alarm over one pick.
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Inexcusable?
Even though it should have never happened? How about the drop by Bowe on the pass right before that. You know, the perfect pass that Bowe had in his arms.
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by citadelchief on Dec 26, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
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Orton really didn’t have such a bad game yesterday. 21/36 and 300 yards is definitely pretty good for your 2nd start with a very unfamilar team. the 2 picks in scoring positiions is what hurt. if they get him back next year, he’ll have a terrific running game, even better defense, and he’ll be more familiar with his receivers. Cassel had 3 years, and he didn’t take us anywhere, so he should be gone. The goal is to win a super bowl, not go 4-12, 10-6, and 4-5 when he left.
by AaronMannicci on Dec 25, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Redzone panic
is all on the o-line.
A good o-line doesn’t have problems with goal to go on the 1 yd line. A good o-line isn’t forced to throw with goal to go on the 1 yd line. A good o-line doesn’t allow field goals to be blocked.
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Just because I haven't responded, doesn't mean you won the argument!
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Make Romeo Crennel The Head Coach and re-sign Kyle Orton- If you watched the past 2 weeks for the Chiefs, they defintely looked like a whole new team, and Crennel and Orton have gave them a big spark
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This team still has averaged only 14 pts a game with Orton. And Orton threw 2 picks that sealed this teams fate today. How is that any different than what Cassel and Palko have done all year?
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 1:41 AM CST reply actions
oh, saints
Just imagine what the “team” would be able to do with only Luck on the field. Just take my word, that your strategy to trade the entire team and 3 or 4 whole drafts for Luck will not work.
I don’t know if you were one of them, but many people wanted us to draft The Sanchize and said he was the franchise QB we needed to take us to the promised land. Three years later, see what the JETS THINK about the guaranteed awesomeness of this guy. Again, just because a QB is a 1st round pick does not guarantee their success in the NFL.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
But you can't deny if this team had good QB play they would be in the playoffs this year.
Its a QB league and we don’t have one. I’m not saying trade up to get anyone, but if they think Luck, RGIII, or anyone else is a franchise guy you gotta get him.
Of course he could bust, but you have to take a chance if you think Luck can be what he is projected to be.
by Crown Chief on Dec 25, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
First of all
I never said 3 or 4 drafts for Luck , I said 2. I gave stats and facts, to support the reasons it would make sense to make that deal.
1. A franchise QB is the difference between success and mediocrity(ask the Colts,or better yet,dig up playoff tape of this team in the 90’s)
2. between the 08-09 drafts ,less than half of those players drafted are still in the league.
3. When the Saints traded for Ricky Williams in 1999 ,they lost out on 4 decent players when it was all said and done. Only 4 picks out of 14 panned out to have any success in the NFL. By the way ,Williams is still playing. I would never make that type of deal for a RB. A FRANCHISE QB is entirely different.
4. Luck has no major flaws either mechanicly, mentally , or physically .
5. As I have stated , you get 14 picks in 2 years of drafting(minus trades ,compensitory picks) .Out all of those you might hit on 5 guys. But, when I looked at what the Saints could have had 99-00 and the league average 08-09 ,teams walked away with at total of 3.5 players in 2 drafts combined. Most of those picks aren’t even going to make the team. let alone become impact players.
It makes all the sense in the world to do it ,this 1 time , for this 1 player.
As far as Sanchez goes , I didn’t think he was an elite QB prospect. He had his flaws coming out of USC , not the least of which was arm strength. But, the guy has been to back to back AFC championship games, so lets give him some credit …..huh. This idea he has been a total bust is just ludicras. Frankly, I don’t get the hate for this guy ,especially around here. I don’t know if it is because of his hollywood looks, the fact he plays in NY ,or what it is. The guy isn’t a bad QB , in fact if people like Kyle Orton ,how could you not love this guy? And Sanchez has far more upside than Orton ever had. He also has a defensive minded coach and a conservitive OC. I would love to see what he could be with a really sharp offensive mind pushing him . I think Sanchez can be a really good Qb in this league if he is given the right coaching.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
3. You don’t know if the Saints would have picked the same players
4. Cost is a flaw
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 25, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Or you could find a franchise QB in the late rounds
Brady, Romo, Warner…. It’s a gamble, and i believe no player should worth 14 draft picks nor even 7
how rare is that?
name me 6 franchise QB’s since 1998 that are elite guys ,that were taken in round 5 -UFA , not very many. In Fact you named them all
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
But that's half
Of the great QBs since that time. Name 3 great current era QBs taken in the top five picks not named Manning
by MichaelMantastic on Dec 26, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
If St. Louis ends up picking #1 overall, a trade is a real possibility
I wouldn’t give up nearly what you suggest for Luck, it’s just too much to risk on one guy. I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t become a top-10 NFL QB within a couple years, but he could always get injured & be done.
A more interesting idea would be if they decide to keep Luck & trade Bradford. Given Bradford’s struggles this year, we may well be able to take him from the Rams at a very reasonable cost.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
First of all
Your stats and facts don’t prove you right no matter how many times you repeat them.
Second, you will not see any team this year mortgage so much for Andrew Luck. Why? Because they realize that as important as a quarterback is to a team, especially in this day and age, it is still a team sport. I mean, unless you are smarter than the owners and GMs of the league and see something none of them can.
by old_school on Dec 25, 2011 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
how are the Colts doing with out there 1 guy in a team game?
How did the chiefs do in the 90’s with there great team minus the QB?
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's pretty well documented their last 4 or 5 drafts have been busts.
They neglected the team because they were depending on one guy. Peyton wouldn’t have had them contending this year.
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by electriclight on Dec 26, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
How many times did we get past midfield with Palko/Cassel?
And if Bowe catches the easiest fucking TD, the games over. Not gonna put both picks on Orton. And how are we averaging 14 points with Orton, isn’t it 16-17? If you can’t tell theres a huge difference with this guy in than Cassel/Palko then I dont know what to tell ya. We’ve moved the chains so much easier since he’s been there, redzone is still shit. That’s where a full offseason helps out with a much better OL and these very good weapons. Cassels had 3 offseasons, and nothings changed. Time to see what Orton has.
But
Have we scored? Orton has taken this team to 2 td drives ,that’s it. Orton has led this team to 16 points a game my bad, I was a whole 2pts off. The guy is average, we has just seen awful QB play for so long, that average now looks great. Bowe dropped that pass ,but Orton threw that next past right to the CB. If he throws it out of the endzone , we get a FG and the game is over. You can’t have it both ways
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
The way the ST was playing
the FG might have been blocked
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
How many points did we avarage before, 10?
Both way? The FG is not gauranteed, next play could’ve been a fumble, penalty, anything. Bowe flat out dropped a for sure no doubt 7 points, HUGE DIFFERENCE. Hit em right in the damn hands. You make no sense, you go from saying Orton is no different than Cassel/Palko and then say he’s avarage cuz we’ve seen terrible QB play(from Cassel/Palko). Agree to disagree as always.
I didn't say Orton wasn't better than Cassel/Palko I said he is average(Palko is the worst QB I have seen in my life)
Tuna noodle casserole is a gross meal. But,compared to a turd sandwich it is delicious. And that is what we have been fed the last 3 years at QB,a turd sandwich. Now ,a gross meal comes along and it tastes great compared to crap. But dont kid yourself, it’s not great. I don’t know to many resturaunts that made there fortune off the TNC special and I dont know many teams that are going to win a SB. with average Orton.
Low expectations = low results
As far as Succop goes, he bailed out Orton last week against GB. How many times does he have to do it? He has a big leg, but you are asking a guy to kick 2 50+ yard FG’s outside on a cold day. They weren’t 25 yard chip shots. If Orton did his job , he wouldn’t have needed Succop to make long FG’s to win the game.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
You're just not giving Orton any slack at all . . .
Do you realize that was Orton’s first start ever for the Chiefs? That he had only one week of taking all the snaps in practice as the starter and only one other week in which he took 40% of the snaps? A huge part of passing in the NFL is timing – passing into a window where the receiver is going to be. And he and the receivers don’t even know each other yet.
Not only that, but the team has driven him nuts with penalties and the running game has been sporadic, especially down in the red zone.
You really have to take all factors into consideration when evaluating a player. If you don’t, then you don’t get the true picture of how good he is.
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I'm looking at his overall CAREER
Was that his excuse in Chicago? Was that his excuse in Denver? If not,then what was is his excuse for mediocrity? A passing window? Those picks came when there was no one around. That is where he struggles,in the red zone
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
In Chicago,
Orton did fine in the RZ. Look it up.
In Denver, even Josh McDaniels admitted that they weren’t going to do well in the RZ while they didn’t have a running game, which was near the bottom of the league.
I have written thoroughly, on this board and several other places, about Orton’s career. Unfortunately, I have to keep re-explaining it because of people’s inability, or unwillingness, to do any research of their own. But I’ll give a very brief synopsis, if you will:
In 2008, Orton played the first half of the season well enough for the media to use the word “hot” in describing him, until he incurred a high ankle sprain in the Detroit game, midway through the season. His performance thereafter declined, although he still did a credible job.
In 2009, Orton was still dealing with the high ankle sprain. Then, halfway through the season, he incurred a high ankle sprain on the other side, so now he was playing on two high ankle sprains. Still, even though he couldn’t play near his capabilities, he did well enough that McDaniels said he did a “good job.”
In 2010, he was finally healthy. The results? During the first 11 games of that year, Orton was on a schedule for 5,000 passing yards for a 16-game season, having passed for more than 300 yards in six of those 11 games, plus a 299-yard effort against your very Chiefs.. He had 20 TDs, 6 INTs, and a 106.0 passer rating.
In his 11th game, against St. Louis, Orton suffered rib injuries on both sides, even though he passed for 347 yards and 3 TDs in the fourth quarter, and finished that game with a 110.5 QBR.
But by the next week (the rubber match with KC), his injuries had set in to where his game suddenly tanked. He was done for the year. But, for those previous 11 games, John Elway himself said Orton had played “at a Pro Bowl level.”
There is is in a capsule. Again, if you evaluate a player, you need to take allllllll the factors in consideration.
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How many games did he win!!!!???
Fantasy nerds care about stats ,I care about wins and losses. For that .he is 34-34 as a starter. Orton has 68 starts and 7 4th quarter comebacks. Mark sanchez has 46 starts and 7 4th quarter comebacks. What is the difference man? And my your own diatribe ,Orton is injury prone
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 26, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not trying to debate you . . .
I’m only trying to point out some things that might be encouraging to you. If you want to pound your head against a wall and just argue every point I make, then there is no use of going on with you. So I won’t.
Except to say, as a FINAL comment, that Orton was one of the winningest QBs in the league before joining the Broncos, at 21-12. Last year, during that 11 game run I mentioned, the Broncos’ defense was dead last in the league and the running game was near the bottom. So how many games do you suppose Orton should have won? That is a rhetorical question since I’m closing down this conversation, except for my response below.
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ps ,you are a donkey fan
So hell yes you want Orton as our starter
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 26, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
I really don't believe I deserve that.
I didn’t come here to smack. Everything I have said is in the Chiefs’ interest. You might notice that I have been very respectful with all my posts here. Had I known you would not reciprocate that respect, I would not have given you a sniff. So I won’t from now on.
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when did I insult you ?
I mearley pointed out your fan affiliation. If you are an Orton fan,than great I want to see links when you you defended him in your mile high forum that’s all.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 26, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
You flatter yourself . . .
Research it for yourself. I have already invested too much time with you.
Have a nice day . . .
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OK look
I don’t want to ’’smack’’ either…ok. You are always welcome on AP and don’t let my response detour you. I am a buzzsaw that you ran into on here….that’s all. I mean no disrespect and I am in no position to question your intentions.
You guys had Elway, while we had Grbac,so you know what a franchise QB means. We need a franchise QB and from what I can tell, Orton is not it. I look at the numbers and what I see is an average QB throughout his career. That is it. So,again I mean no disrespect ,but, we really disagree on Orton . No big deal
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 26, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
No problem . . .
You raised some very good, viable questions. It’s just that, when I explained the extenuating circumstances, you seemed to have your jaw set in your opinion, and nothing I pointed out seemed even to bring you to a “wait-and-see” mode.
I don’t have any Arizona swamp land for sale, and I don’t really have a dog in this fight. Nor do I expect anything I say on this board will persuade the Chiefs FO to buy into him. I just encourage you to open your mind a little bit and at least see what he can do for you. At the very least, he seems an improvement over what you have had recently.
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well we can agree to disagree
I see an average QB and that is way to much to bare in these neck of the woods. I wish he is more, but.. I doubt it …oh well
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 26, 2011 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
Well, As a Chiefs fan...
You are wrong Saints. Orton has played better in 2 games as a starter for the chiefs than anyone has since Trent Green. The offense looks smooth, and still lacks an efficient run game, o-line, and safety valve (TE). He is moving the ball down the field 100% more than I’ve seen Cassell EVER do.
As an avid Chiefs fan, I was skeptical of the Orton signing. But, I have to admit (as a fan and spectator) I don’t find myself holding my breath as Orton drops back to pass… like i did when watching Cassell. Palko isn’t even in the question. He’s a fucking poor man’s Tyler Thigpin. Orton has confidence in his arm strength and accuracy that Matt Cassell has never backed up. He’s got all of the things you look for in a QB except for the athleticism. I’m confident in our QB situation now. The glaring weakness is the O-line and D-line/ defensive pressure.
Remember when people were dogging on Alex Smith similar to you are with Orton??? San Fran ignored the skeptics and added a quality pass rusher in the likes of Missouri’s Aldon Smith. With his production the team looks COMPLETELY different. Ask San Fran how “Marginal” QB play is working out for them.
SF team and coaching are making up for Alex Smith defitiances
Orton is hot and cold, as he has proven time and time again. San Fran are not going to win a championship with Smith and you know that .In fact ,if they had a franchise Qb ,they would be SB favorites with there TEAM. QB is what is holding them down.
As an avid Chiefs fan, I was skeptical of the Orton signing. But, I have to admit (as a fan and spectator) I don’t find myself holding my breath as Orton drops back to pass… like i did when watching Cassell
that doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsement
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 26, 2011 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
Appreciate the info.
Thanks.
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by electriclight on Dec 26, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Enough with the food shit
I live in Chicago, I saw Orton. Do you remember the weapons around him? Look it up. They were terrible, Marty Booker was the “best” option. And Denver, McDouche took away his top 2 offensive weapons, you don’t expect him to suffer? Going from Brandon Marshall to Eddie damn Royal, come on. You beef up the OL get our injured guys back and give Orton a full offseason to get the timing down with our WRs we’re a top 10 offense next year. Just my opinion, we agree to disagree and I guess hopefully we’ll find out soon.
oops I fucked up that block oh well
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 25, 2011 1:46 AM CST reply actions
Jesus Christ
I really hope we dont have to watch Cassel and Palko AGAIN so that everyone’s memories can be refreshed about how much they suck…
Obviously Orton isn’t our long term answer, but with JC and Moeaki coming back next year, he should be a decent option for QB next year. Unless we do move up and take RG3…
^^This!
I would prefer to see them begin developing Stanzi, as well. It’s time to fish or cut bait with regard to Stanzi, too. Pioli needs to keep bringing in QB’s through the draft as well… but I doubt a first-rounder is in the cards come April.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
C'mon now, Stanzi is developing this year. We'd all like to see him play again, but I think
the team has gone out of it’s way not playing him. Seems like they’re protecting him, so maybe he got hurt as reported earlier this season? I, for one still see a future here for Ricky and am ready to see him compete on the field.
Aaron
I agree with Crennel & Orton, & the need for an OT. However, next priority should be RB; JC is coming off injury, Jones is nearing the end of his career, and Battle is playing about as well as is is capable of. Also, sign Bowe & Carr.
one week left
Jones is nearing the end of his career,
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by electriclight on Dec 25, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
weird part is Thomas Jones has
probably played his best as a Chief over the last two weeks…
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Not weird at all.
The Chiefs aren’t getting the same defensive looks anymore. Teams have to respect Orton’s arm and the talent we have at WR. They can’t just throw 8 guys in the box on every down anymore.
Jones has more in the tank than people realize.
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by citadelchief on Dec 25, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Historically, I supported Matty -
But Orton is better.. We need better!
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 25, 2011 2:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yep, I'm with you...
I was pretty supportive of Matt last year and thought he deserved a chance this year, but saw regression, not progress.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
I am leaning more toward this..
I was never really sold on Orton but I do like he is capable of throwing 300+ yards a game. Regardless if we resign him and or keep Cassel, it’s obvious neither of those guys are the franchise guy that we’ve lacked.
Crennel I can see doing a good job as head coach, but how long will he coach for. My biggest concern here is with the other teams looking for a new coach is if we don’t hire Romeo he’ll be gone after this season and I don’t want our team to go through that. I think Crennel as a HC with a very strong established OC will do the trick. The OC should also be someone who will potentially take over when RAC retires. The real question with our coaching staff is what do we do with a good special teams unit that has been fallin apart the past few games?
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 25, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Special teams coach has to go.
It’s as though we’ve never considered the possibility that the other team might fake a punt or FG, and it follows that we don’t have any of those in our own playbook.
I agree with the Crennel HC grooming the next OC for the job 3-5 years down the road. I’m not sure it worked all that well in Dallas, but it seems to make some sense if Crennel is HC as he’s getting up there.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Special teams had a very bad game
but you don’t fire a guy based on a single performance. Special teams have been about the only consistently good part of this team over the past two years. Hoffman also ‘discovered’ Succup & has been a big reason for his success in the NFL.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
We've had trouble with kick coverage and return blocking all year.
Jalil Brown has emerged as a top ST player. But there are still a lot of guys out there who shouldn’t be. McCluster and Arenas are both more than capable of making big plays in the return game, but nobody can block for them.
50/50 on talent and coaching.
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by citadelchief on Dec 25, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I pretty much agree with this
Crennel is a very safe choice and I hope that he ends up being hired for the HC gig. You know what you’re getting with him, he’s well respected by the players and they are going to play hard for him…he’s proven to have a good working relationship with the GM, and he knows how to delegate authority, which was apparently Haley’s downfall. He’s the type of coach who, given a talented roster & coaching staff, will guide the ship with few problems along the way.
I know I’m in the minority, but I want Josh McDaniels brought in to be the OC…with an eye on replacing Crennel once he decides to retire. The guy was made to look like Satan himself in Denver, but he was very highly respected by everyone in NE and I think he’ll eventually become a very good HC in the NFL, particularly working hand-in-hand with a GM, players & staff he’s already very familiar with.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
The List
1. Resign Bowe and Brandon Carr
2. Bring back Orton to compete with Cassell-see how Stanzi develops. The next year’s QB crop could have 6 potential franchaise QBs-Landry Jones, Murry from Georgia, Matt Barkley, Wilson from Ark,, Osweiler from Arizona St. and Bray from Tennessee. There is only 2 elite QBs in this draft and 5-6 teams in need of QB. The price is too high to go for Luck or Barkely (unless they are in love with Tannehill or Nick Foles.)
3. In Free agency build the middle of the defense NT, ILB and a quality safety-possible Garay from SD and an ILB that is an improvement over Belcher.4.
4. The draft should give them an opportunity to draft a Tackle in the first, a C/G in thesecond (needs to be bigger than Hudson), a TE to compliment Tony,a running back to compliment Jamal, and a receiver that can stretch the field.
by houstonvincent on Dec 25, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions
no mention of RGIII?
I know he may stay in school but as Heisman winner it’s a good time to come out… and lots of people on here mention him as their favorite choice.
But, yeah, I think camp starts with Orton, Cassel, Stanzi, and possibly another later-round QB draft choice.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
I like fletcher but he is 36 years old.
He was a beast all season though. Maybe he has another year left in him.
by chiefFANatic on Dec 25, 2011 11:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Two glaring needs jumped out from Oakland loss.
1) Lack of ability to power a one yard gain on a critical short yard play. We need a bigger stronger addition to interior of the O-Line. ( As well as a new RT)
2) Lack of speed in Defensive Secondary killed us> Lewis is only a $.73 guy. Rashard Langford is only a 4.65 guy. Neither is McGraw exactly a speed merchant. Deep ball to wide open WRs cost us a chance at another division title.
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Damn Lewis has a cheap contract!
Only 73 cents!
Talk about the steal of the draft!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 25, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
that explains our cap room
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by electriclight on Dec 25, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, (4.73, 40 yard dash time)
Lewis, Langford and McGraw are very, very slow. We can’t afford too many DBs that have trouble protecting against an easy TD by an opponent with speedy WRs. WE need more speed in Defensive Backfield.
Made worse by lack of pressure and lack of penetration or push to cave the pocket.
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Lewis ran the 40 with a bad hammy btw
Kinda bad to point that out
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 26, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Outside of the pass rush
our lack of depth at S has been killer. We could use another S not named Sabby, McGraw, or Langford back there in any way, shape, or form.
While I like Crennel, and I won’t mind if he became the new HC, Orton is consistently struggling (offense in general) to score in the redzone. If we don’t trade up to select a QB (I keep wishing), are people going to throw a fit if we take a guy like Trent Richardson? Just throwing it out there. Agree with the OL help, not a big B-Rich fan myself, but if Martin/Reiff are gone and T-Rich is there….tough to pass on.
RG3, its easy as ABC.
DeCastro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richardson
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 25, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agree that QB is a need.
Neither Orton nor Cassel has the ability to extend the play an allow that extra move for a WR or TE to get open. Our QBs have been vulnerable to pressure due to lack of escapability.
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Belchers replacement...
Miles Burris=Beast
by Caleb Alan Rhoades on Dec 25, 2011 11:58 AM CST reply actions
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