Raiders Beat Chiefs And 25 Things To Remember From The Game
The Kansas City Chiefs 2011 season is over as far as the playoffs are concerned. The Oakland Raiders beat the Chiefs, 16-13, in overtime on Christmas Eve at Arrowhead Stadium after Sebastian Janikowski's game-winner sealed it.
What a terrible feeling as a Chiefs fan. To know that the playoffs are no longer an option...ugh. I'm officially depressed.
Here are all my notes on the game, if you can stomach it right now.
Chiefs lose on special teams early. The Raiders take the opening kickoff back 91 yards for a first and goal. Kudos to the Chiefs defense for holding them to a field goal but you can't lose on special teams against the Raiders. You can already tell it's going to be one of those days with a lot of highs and a lot of lows.
Derrick Johnson is awesome. Do I need to even mention that? It wasn't a big play but on a second and 7 DJ broke through the line and tackled the running back behind the line of scrimmage on a pitch to the right. He's so fast and might be the best athlete on the field. And I typed this right before the play below...
DJ gets the first interception of the day. But Tamba Hali should get half credit for the turnover. Carson Palmer dropped back to pass and Hali came around the corner forcing Palmer to move up in the pocket. Palmer was hit by a pile of Chiefs as he threw the ball and DJ ended up picking off the errant throw.. Great team defense right there. Palmer had three picks earlier this year against the Chiefs so this is four this season.
Uh-oh: Brandon Albert is injured. Trainers were working on his leg and he was replaced by Barry Richardson (who was replaced on the right side by Steve Maneri). Albert came back in at the start of the second quarter. He has started every game in his career so we really don't know what life without Albert is like.
The Chiefs' field goal after DJ's interception gives them 20 points off turnovers on the season. Which is the fewest in the NFL.
K Ryan Succop makes his 22nd consecutive field goal attempt, which is the longest active streak in the league and ties Pete Stoyanovich's franchise record.
Javier Arenas' penalty overturns a turnover. Arenas picked off a Palmer pass and had a nice return but flags came down ruling Arenas was holding. The interception was off and Oakland was given a first down. That's a killer play because it wasn't a great pass to begin with.
First Quarter Score: Tied, 3-3
The Raiders are the Raiders, even with fake field goals. Just a LOL at Oakland right now. They had a terrific punt that resulted in a touchdown but...it was called a delay of game. Perhaps the most Raider penalty ever. Classic Raiders.
Can you block a field goal near the uprights? If you noticed on Sebastian Janikowski's field goal attempt (after the fake that was called back), Brandon Flowers jumped up and tried to knock the ball away. I never thought about blocking it that way. (Update: Kevin Harlan later explains that you actually can not block the field goal like that. Flowers never touched it. Apparently, R.C. Owens is a player who was with San Francisco in the 1960s and used to do that. MIke Pereira of FOXSports.com later tweeted that it looked like it hit the crossbar first, which means no violation by Flowers.)
More classic Raider penalties. Dwayne Bowe caught a pass and quickly fumbled -- actually it was ruled that it wasn't a catch thus it wasn't a fumble -- and the Raiders LaMarr Houston picked it up and started running it back before the officials blew their whistle saying the play was dead. Houston got made and spiked the ball resulting in a penalty. Such a Raider penalty.
Kyle Orton throws his first pick as a Chief. Orton was looking for Bowe streaking across the back of the end zone but didn't see Matt Giordano, who picked it off and returned it to the Chiefs' 41-yard line. The Chiefs have now scored one TD on their last seven trips to the red zone.
Javier Arenas gets his interception. Earlier in the game Arenas picked off a pass but he was flagged for holding but late in the second quarter he snagged a Palmer pass -- with no penalties. It's Arenas' second interception of the season and gives the Chiefs the ball back after Orton threw a red zone pick.
Dwayne Bowe hits 1,000 yards on the season. Kudos to Bowe who has turned his career around after that ugly 2009 season.
Raiders have 10 penalties before halftime. !!!!! That's insane.
Raiders block the Chiefs field goal attempt before halftime. Ryan Succop has a 49-yard attempt ahead of him but Oakland blocked it. That sounds about right considering how this half has gone.
The blocked kick also means Succop's streak is over. He was leading the league with 22 consecutive field goals, a number that had also tied Pete Stoyanovich for the franchise record.
Halftime Score: Tied, 3-3.
The little things that get you beat (/Haleyism): Barry Richardson committing a holding penalty when the Chiefs had a 21-yard conversion on third down.
And the same applies to the Raiders. Oakland's Michael Bush had a 19-yard gain called back due to holding.
Carson Palmer finally hits on a bomb. And it's a big one. Denarious Moore caught a 61-yard bomb from Palmer for six points. It looked like Reshard Langford didn't get over there in time and allowed Moore to slip through. 10-3, Raiders.
Kyle Orton responds with a 43-yarder to Terrance Copper. Yes, that's Terrance Copper. Orton had all kinds of time on a play action fake and found Copper streaking across the right side of the field. The CBS announcers were gushing about how comfortable Orton looked after that play.
Third Quarter Score: Raiders lead, 10-6
Kyle Orton's second mistake. The Chiefs QB threw his second pick of the game when the Chiefs had just gotten into field goal range. That's a tough pick to swallow in the fourth quarter.
Jackie Battle stuffed on fourth down. The Chiefs got the ball back after Orton's last pick and faced a fourth and inches their own 41-yard line. Orton handed it off to Battle up the middle but he was stopped short by the Raiders defense. Oakland regains possession with just under eight minutes left in the game.
Sebastian Janikowski extends Raiders lead to seven points with three minutes remaining. The Chiefs have a comeback situation with Orton. They're down seven points with about three minutes remaining and KC's playoff hopes on the line.
Dexter McCluster! Dexter McCluster! Wow McCluster goes 49 yards on a screen to bring the ball inside the five yard line. This led to....
Touchdown, Dwayne Bowe! Just an incredible series for the Chiefs there as they tie the game, 13-13.
Chiefs game winning attempt blocked again. Incredible, we're headed to overtime.
53-yard pass to Darrius Heyward-Bey ends it. The dream is dead. Oakland kicked the game winning field goal which means the Chiefs are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Another long offseason....
Final Score: Raiders win, 16-13
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I am so depressed
What a Christmas eve!
Ughhh
by juvatbull on Dec 24, 2011 4:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
the destiny of a chiefs fan disappointment at the altar ...that is depressing
let’s be realistic….. the chiefs will never be a super bowel team until they get a true franchise QB. ……. not matt castle or kyle orton or a joe flacco type…….
It’s sooo depressing that we win just enough to keep us from the top QB selections. that being said …..either they spend lots of draft resource on a QB or just get lucky not Lucky with a low draft pick
i Love Crennel as a Defensive coach but i dont know that he has the passion and the fire to motivate players at the end….. perhaps McDaniels as assistant head coach and OC would provide the necessary youthful passion
by BigRedCadillac on Dec 24, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
with that o line
dont go for it on 4th and an inch unless you sneak it. a hand off is a loss of yards, ALMOST every time. oh, and wise up on defense, secondary. we are sick of you giving up big plays at crucial times. we are also sick of all of you getting beat at arrowhead by mediocre raiders teams who arent even at full strength, and commit a plethora of penalties.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Yeah our D got beat at the end, but without them we would never have been in this game.
and the game before.. actually.. any game we had a chance to win was because of our D..
apologist.
because our defense has kept us in all of these games…(true statement) that means we all just pat them on the back and say its ok when they blow the game on first and 10 on the first play of overtime. i dont think so.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Agreed
We’ve sat through so many blow outs that as soon as the defense starts doing their job we give em TOO much credit. Giving up a huge play in OT is just pitiful. It shows such a lack of football intelligence. Anytime there is a deep ball the Chiefs tend to give up the play. That has been the trend over the past 4 or 5 years and it has to stop.
All I want for Christmas...
Is Jamaal Charles back.
by juvatbull on Dec 24, 2011 4:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What a difference it would make.
All of those 10-15 yd. runs (and Dex’s screen) would’ve been TDs, I’m thinking.
by independent739 on Dec 24, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
W/O him there is no expectation of success
Every handoff, I find myself wondering if we will get 3 yds, or 7. Last year, every run play, I held my breath waiting to break one for the big TD.
Our run game just isn’t scary. (to the other team, that is)
by juvatbull on Dec 24, 2011 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And no more 1 yard Thomas Jones runs
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ST coach (Hoffman?) is most likely gone after this season, I'm thinking...
That is, if they don’t clean house completely.
It's possible but
those were the only 2 blocked punts or fgs this season if I’m correct. And they mentioned during the game that Arenas is 3rd in punt returns in the league. There were very few if any return touchdowns. They weren’t great, but Special Teams were not our undoing this season.
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."
-Henry Ford
agree
and Hoffman got Succop back on track too
So no the ST’s were not the problem
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
even though it didn't end up counting
that fake field goal was completely horrible and inexcusable.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
They were our undoing for this game, arguably the biggest one of the season
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 24, 2011 4:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hoffman doesnt do anything to make Arenas 3rd in league
that is all him. Yes, you can say the blocking scheme, but kickoff returners either have it or they dont. Hester and Hall could look good no matter who their special teams coach is. To have 2 blocked field goals by the same player is insane. Succop is another player that Hoffman shouldnt get credit for.
Not for sure here,but at the end of game it looked like Hoffman asked Crennel “is that it?” and Crennel said back " Yea, its fucking overtime!!"…Not the best lip reader but it looked like something similar… It was right after it showed Hue jackoff bending over holding his head praying or whatever. If this is true, that should be an automatic fire
by TheScreenName on Dec 24, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
In last week's game
they could not get the right personnel on the field. They had penalty (was it two?) for 12 men on the field, had to call time outs twice more because they had the wrong number of guys out there.
Today’s game opened with a long return, which led to a field goal, the Raiders ran a fake field goal in the right spot to run one and we were totally unprepared, (thank god they had a penalty) and then had the two field goals blocked. After the first one, you might want to make an adjustment.
That dudes gone.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
No Way
Our special teams have been extremely solid since Haley hired him. Today was a fluke.
A fluke? Are you serious?!?!
2 blocked field goals by the same guy…That tells me the Raiders coach saw something and took advantage of it. It also tells me our guy didnt make an adjustment after the first block.
Also, the fake field goal that was called back was another thing their coach killed ours on. If you notice on a field goal, we line our guys up to the right and try this weird push. Its genius for the Raiders to have a fake to that side then bring it out (their) right like they did.
The Raiders ST coach outCOACHED our ST coach.. It was no fluke. It was simply their guy was better today. By a long shot.
by TheScreenName on Dec 24, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
One was seymour, the other was some non name
Wasn’t actually the same guy
by MarylandChief on Dec 24, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
no...it was Seymour, both times. watch the replay.
and on the second block he came in untouched and #68 didn’t even rise out of his stance to get a hand on him and push him back…ridiculous. Check the NFL stats and see how many times “IN HISTORY” a team has had two FG tries blocked. The second one was very makable. As for the 4th and inch run by Battle..? Never should have happened. Kyle made the first down, should have challenged the spot. BUT, that said, Special Teams needs to improve.
Not a fluke
Last week the issues getting guys on the field was on special teams. This unit has had 2 weeks of stupid and costly mistakes.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 24, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well..
lets go ruin it for the Denver Tebows.
by KCJayhawk on Dec 24, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
id rather lose to denver
FUCK letting the raiders in
For constantly playing Palko, Haley needs to be fired
by ArrowheadHunter on Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hard choice
I absolutely despise the raiders but I also do not want tebow mania to keep going.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
what a game
I’m really starting to dis-like this team. How many times is this crap gonna happen. God what it would be like to have a whole team.
We need to start Stanzi next week.
Orton might not even be here next year, and we need to see what we have in Stanzi.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Dec 24, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm ok with that
I’ve been ok with that since the day I heard Cassel was out for the year.
agree
At least get him some reps to see what we have
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Completely agree
Orton is not the answer. Up and down today like he’s been with every other team.
by Wait and See on Dec 24, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
pretty much the same QB.
Smart. Good arm. Good pocket awareness and shows patience when he has time.
But not a difference-maker under pressure.
Still a step up from Cassel, but less likely to last 16 games, due to relative lack of mobility.
If RGIII slips, that’s an option. Otherwise OL and/or DB. Berry should give them a boost on his return, but safety play on the back end is vershizzle. I’d rather have an extra hat forcing the ball out earlier than pretending the deep help is any help against a QB with time, and they gave Palmer time. RAC’s a little too conservative for my taste, especially when it’s penny-wise and pound-foolish conservatism.
would of ≠ would've
i like how Orton has looked
I do think his ability to throw under pressure and look-off defenders are a step up from Cassel
OL and S depth along w/ TE are the priorities, assuming they can’t get RG3
by stagdsp on Dec 24, 2011 7:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Stanzi needs to start...
…we should see what the kid can do in a live action game against a team playing for their playoff lives. If that doesn’t test your mettle, nothing will.
yeah start him so we can end all this talk about stanzi and in the offseason we can cut him with palko and trade Cassel
by Billy Wickham on Dec 27, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Here's one thing to remember
All you people slobbering over Kyle Orton can now come back to earth.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Definitely. Higher draft pick!
(juuuuuuust kidding!)
by independent739 on Dec 24, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
No
But should appreciate Cassel more. He would have won this game.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Your outta your damn mind
Go back and look at the game-tying drive and look at those throws. No way on Tebows fucking green earth Cassel is that accurate to get those throws in
by KCinIL on Dec 24, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Yawwwnnnn
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
by Zayla on Dec 24, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's how I feel
When Cassels holding onto the ball for 7-10 seconds every damn pass attempt.
by KCinIL on Dec 24, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And this is coming from a person
Who always defended Cassel just the shit just got beyond embarrassing to even attempt to defend him.
by KCinIL on Dec 24, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll defend him until the Chiefs get a better QB
and it’s ain’t Palko, Stanzi or Orton.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
agreed IMO
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 24, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Dec 24, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Orton is better
Cassel had three damn years to learn the offense and couldn’t even pass for over 250 this year. Orton on game one against the Packers throws for 299. You don’t know what your talking about.
Those were the good ole days... wait I wasn't alive then
by bww51689 on Dec 24, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
True.
Orton, even today, looks much better than Cassel.
by bossmanham on Dec 24, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
300 yards
and 2 picks, with Jamaal Charles in there the Defense doesn’t sit on our red zone receivers
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
This^^
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 24, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
say what you will...
…Cassel had the best season of any Chiefs QB …in his second season as a starter. Fortify the line, keep people healthy and see what he can do. To all those who say “everyone deals with injuries, you still have to win”, I say take the Championship Cowboys of the ’90’s and remove Aikman, Emmitt, Novachek and Darren Woodson then see how many games they win. Get real! This team was devastated by injuries and never gave up.Mike Carey and his crew wanted air time and they got it at the expense of both teams yesterday. Put the flags away and let them play. If we had to lose, I’d rather see a nice shoot out 35-32. The stoppage in play kills any momentum teams get going. Honestly, I think if the Raiders got a chance to start winging it our slow safeties wouldn’t have gone into a daze and froze up like they did on the deep balls. Probably would have led to a few pick 6’s. It’s all “Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve” now and they all equal one thing….didn’t. When everything else that we needed to have happen, did happen…our own CHIEFS didn’t take care of business…AT HOME! Sad day…BUT HEY…it’s Christmas. Merry Christmas to one and all.
Cassell wouldnt have fired it right at a DL with Battle wide open in the end zone
Or thrown that pick in the end zone
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 4:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cassel would have held onto the ball and get sacked 5 times
by Ren on Dec 24, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Still gets you a FG
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
double yawwannnn
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Why?
Because I don’t agree with you and everyone else? Ha!
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Cause you are just arguing to argue?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel would have got his token 150 yards, 0int, 0td’s. Resulting in maybe 13 points at best.
by Okie Red on Dec 24, 2011 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Almost there, guys!
Let’s go ruin it for the Tebows and look forward to next year. This team should be scary.
how fucking embarassing
I cannot believe the Chiefs do this shit all the time. Year after year they tend to get pulled down to their competition whenever they play a dirty type team like the raiders. The raiders prove decade after decade that they are absolute scums of humanity that can’t play a clean game and yet the Chiefs seem unable to simply let them be stupid assholes that shoot themselves in the foot. No, the Chiefs have to be LIKE them instead and give away games.
And, once again, I HATE the stupid NFL overtime rule. Why can’t professional athletes be expected to play a whole additional quarter to prove who is the better team that day instead of letting the luck of a fucking coin toss decide games? It’s insanity.
FUCK!
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
It's not luck
53% of team win with the win of the toss. KC won the last OT game when they didn’t win the toss, you know, when Cassel led them down the field to win.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
I still don't care
games should be decided by the skills of the best team. NOT BY A COIN TOSS. Today’s OT period was definitely decided by a coin toss. Now, I won’t dispute that the Chiefs SHOULD have won this game easily in regulation if they had played with half a brain. But, sudden death OT is stupid by any measure. What’s the point of it? It is NOT to decide the better team, it is to get the game over as soon as possible – and that is the wrong goal.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
by kabrink on Dec 24, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But if it's only 50-50, how is that unfair?
or, how is that decided by a coin toss?
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
50-50?
Above you claim it is 53 for the team winning the toss. That is not 50-50. 53 should be an embarrassment to the NFL because that is enough to show it’s bullshit.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
You're never going to get closer
Than a 53-47 split with ANY rules you put in place
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
why not just play a full quarter
there is really no legitimate argument against it
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
What if it's still tied?
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
teams should get equal opportunities in OT
whether it is in 5th or 6th quarter I don’t care.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Except the NFL doesn't want games
Going that long, expect in the playoffs. That’s why they have the sudden death rule. Also, that’s why they have the stupid ties, as rarley as they happen.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
length of game is an ignorant measure
fairness of outcome should be the goal.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
In that case
No overtime at all, game ends in a time.
This space for rent.
If the games end up at almost an even split, it must be fair
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
it's not fair
coin flips themselves are 50-50. But, the outcomes, per your stat is 53-47. That shows it is an unfair outcome. It is NOT 50-50 chance in practice.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
as i said
you’re not going to get, in ANY situation, a closer than 53% average.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
if both teams have a FAIR chance in OT
then I don’t care what the percentage outcome is. It should be the same outcome as the average of all games played in the nfl. Which of course is 50-50 and there fore more intrinsically fair.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
If the Chiefs won the toss and scored like the raiders did
would we really be having this conversation?
by TheScreenName on Dec 24, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Nope...
But those at Silver and Black would be complaining just like it is being complained about here.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Its a rule..
It was fair game..Til it is changed, that is how the game is played. Our Defense should have stopped them.. They didnt. So shouldnt we be complaining about the defense more and less about a rule change that hasnt took place?
by TheScreenName on Dec 24, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Well first off...
we shouldn’t have let it go to overtime in the first place. This game could have easily been won before regulation by a massive blowout. The Chiefs on offense, defense and special teams did no capitalize.
As a result the Raiders won by not putting a nail in the coffin.
Go Chiefs!!!!
injuries
That’s the reason the NFL ends after a quarter even if there’s a tie in the regular season.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 24, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
They do it
because it messes up their tidy TV schedule
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
This OT was decided by a 50+ yard bomb from Palmer over the safety. Not a coin toss
by Okie Red on Dec 24, 2011 6:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Current over time sucks, sucks, sucks!
I played semi-pro football for 10 years and the over time rules were fair to both teams and could be a treat to the fans. When the game was tied after 4 quarters there is a coin toss…that’s where the similarity ends. The two teams then proceed to play two 10 minute quarters as if it was a shortened football game. No sudden death. One season, we were undefeated and went into a game against one of the better defenses in the league. For some reason we weren’t playing to our team’s potential and our opponents were out for blood. At the end of regulation we were tied (by a last minute 45 yard field goal courtesy of our kicker). In overtime…we woke up and realized our undefeated season was nearly lost. We went on to score 20 unanswered points (they blocked a conversion) and the fans got their moneys worth. Sudden death sucks…except in soccer. The only thing worse than sudden death in football is the shootout in soccer and hockey. I say, let them play ’til their legs are jello. Let the better conditioned team win.
I agree with kabrink
I am sick and tired of the stupid OT rule too. An extra quarter, or at least alternating chance to score wouldn’t be asking too much. All the team that wins the toss has to do is get a freaking FG.
I always thought
that if they were going to do sudden death type overtime, they should just have the home team start with the ball every time. Make it a rule. (Though I guess they could have the option of choosing a side of the field instead, but that would only happen in a very rare crazy wind game) It would add a little meaning to home field advantage. It might make the end of games more exciting, as road teams might choose to go for 2 point conversions on late TDs to win it right there, or take more chances at the end zone when in range for a game tying field goal.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
It would also
get rid of the stupid playoff rule, where now you can only win the game if you DON"T get the ball first. It would get rid of the coin flip, and everyone would know where they stand at the end of the game.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
So Orton is better than Cassell....how?
Not saying Matt is any great shakes, but I never understood all the Orton love. He showed his true stripes today.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 4:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He's not better
Never has been and I’ve been saying it all along. Stats, and watching them both prove that. I’ll take Cassel any day.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Stats?
Go look at those stats and while your at it look at the weapons Cassels had and look at the weapons Ortons had. Hindsight ain’t even 20/20 on this one
Cassel love is so OVER dudes
that sumbitch lost enough games for the Chiefs
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
And like I said up top
You guys know I was a HUGE Cassel supporter, but the shit was just enough. Orton is head and shoulders BY FAR our best QB on the roster. Load up the trenches in the offseason, add to the front 7 and depth and let’s fuckin go!
Well.. until 12/21/12!
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
I was at a Mayan ruins in Tulum last week
literally a year and a day prior to the forecasted apocalypse. It was kinda eerie.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Love seeing the old ruins
Never been to any myself, is amazing what ‘primitive man’ could do, hell their buildings are still standing while ours crumble
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 25, 2011 5:47 AM CST up reply actions
Orton is just another mediocre QB
Remember when we we’re all scared of Denver with Orton at the helm? Neither do I.
Remember when Denver had Bowe/Breaston/Baldwin and will get Charles?
Neither do I.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
His weapons weren't bad in his best season in Denver, 2008
that season is probably his ceiling. Marshall/Gaffney/Royal/Scheffler, didn’t have much of a run game though
Exactly they had to throw all the time, and Broncos defense was not that great IIRC
He has not had weapons like he would have next year in KC, from the defense to the running game to the WRs
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
hes completing 65% of his passes and averaging 9 yards per attempt thats not bad at all for a guys whose been here a couple of weeks
by Willie Beamon on Dec 24, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, things are still not clicking
Several times you could see a WR break one way, or stop and the ball be placed somewhere else…
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
their D was terrible
I’m just going to need a lot of time to be convinced Orton is the guy to take this team to the next level.
we dont get to pick who we get to play all we can do is lineup so to complain about the opponent is pointless
by Willie Beamon on Dec 24, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Raiders have one of..
.. the best Ds in the NFL.
by Pacific Chief on Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
the chiefs need an off-season and a number of players back
replacing two 290 lb Offensive lineman wouldn’t hurt either
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
I just won’t be excited going into the 2012 season if Orton is the guy at QB. Maybe there is enough of a supporting cast that the team could do well with him as QB, but I’d be nervous every week. Just want a damn franchise QB already.
Have you watched a Cassel game all season??
The guy usually throws for 120, 150, maybe, maybe 190 yards a game. I’ll take Orton tossing 250 to 350 with an INT here and there. So what, he had 2 INTS, but he actually moves the freaking ball down the field and gives us a chance. Cassel would have had 140 yards and we migh have scored a field goal. I supported the guy for a long time, but anyone watching the Chiefs should be able to tell Orton is a substantial upgrade.
That, and the Bills
That’s what’s really killing me about todays game.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
That is simply depressing. The teams we need step up and we cant do a dang thing
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
The NFL should ban the AFC west from the playoffs
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 4:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Might as well ban the NFC East this year too
WOW a team from the AFC West is going? Each team gets blown out every 2 weeks!!
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Two penalties on Chiefs punt
Oakland has 12 men on field and holds. Why don’t chiefs take the first penalty which gives them a first down and the ball. Ref decides we get the second penalty and Oakland keeps possession. Terrible.
first penalty wouldn't have been a first down
Its a 5 yard penalty and if I remember correctly it was 4th and 8.
Since it was a good punt, why risk repunting and giving better field position?
"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.
it was actuall 4th and 6
Cause I thought the same thing then went back and looked
by banshee_01 on Dec 24, 2011 5:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
rg3 anyone?
please let’s draft him thats all we need
by kcchiefs2782 on Dec 24, 2011 4:20 PM CST via Android app reply actions
too much money, but the best scenerio
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Not for both of them
Plus they have to sign Bowe and Carr
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
They have draft picks
And I hope they sign Bowe, and Carr will cost, and I think Orton will want a long term deal. You can’t sign both Orton and keep Cassel with his contract. It’s going to be one or the other.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Cassel's contract is not that bad, look it up
Orton will not get a huge deal either
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
There’s plenty of cap room. They have to start spending anyway, and what better way than to make sure one of these QB’s ain’t the guy.
I just don't think they will keep both
Orton will have teams that will be willing to sign him as the number one, without a competition. He’ll take that and the money. If the Chiefs dump Cassel and his contract, they’ll sign him.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
We can only hope
Average > Mediocre…
What choice… sigh…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Considering you're the smartest guy here, and it's not hard...
You’d think you’d know that Cassel doesn’t give us a significant hit in next years cap. Nothing like his first couple of years.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Oh MN.. don't bring up facts!
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
cmon Man
5 Million is chump change for an utility Infielder
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel will be making a straight 5.25 million for the year
This year Cassel recieved a $7.5 million bonus plus his salary of $12.5 million. This is a 7 million dollar difference that easily could be used to sign Orton.
Addition through subtraction is hard.
Go Chiefs!!!!
If that's the case
Why does everyone want him gone? Just keep him on the roster. Drop him to 3rd on the depth chart behind Orton and Stanzi. You think that’s a SB QB? Orton? Really?
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Not everyone wants him gone
Many have said let him and Orton duke it out (see above)
I have no idea if Orton’s a SB QB. I’d rather roll the dice on a healthy Manning or trade picks to snag RG3. But neither of those are very likely.
And seriously, what’s with the prickish attitude constantly? You want to ask me what I think about Orton, just ask.
It’s a lot easier to have a genuine discussion and enlightening give-and-take when one guy isn’t trying to act smarter than everyone else in the room.
I’ll give you a heads up… you’re not the smartest guy on AP. By a long shot. We’ve got college profs here. We’ve got former coaches here. We’ve got guys who have masters degrees here.
So check your ego at the door, quit talking down to people, and just talk football. Or, keep being a prick and I’m going to start giving you a much harder time when you say stupid things (like Cassel’s contract is too expensive to keep him and Orton).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That was too intelligent a post...
… please dumb it down a bit. Thanks
by Pacific Chief on Dec 24, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
How's this...
This site is more awesome when we talk football, and talk football to everyone like they’re an equal.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 24, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
That better? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Then there are APers like me who are not
College profs, former coaches, or have master degrees :/
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
And still smarter than me :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Pshhht no need to sugar coat it now, already left me out :'(
Happy Holidays MN
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
You are better at putting ideas on AP, a lot better at making sense
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 25, 2011 5:49 AM CST up reply actions
I started that way, as I usually do
But as soon as I say something positive about Matt Cassel, I am the one who gets the immature BS.
It’s been this way for almost two years, regardless of logic and objectivity.
Especially after last week. It was intolerable. Orton, and very mediocre career QB was all of sudden the “answer”. I don’t care what anyone says today, just go look at last weeks comments.
If I’m approached that way, that’s the way I respond, and always will. If I have a good, reasonable discussion with someone, I will be the same.
The only thing I want, as a Chief fan, is for them to win, as I have for over 45 years of watching them, and I don’t give a damn who the QB is.
Right now, I think the best chance the Chiefs have, with both sides of the line improved, is Cassel.
Happy Holidays.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
So you get BS anytime you post something about Cassel, which you have been doing for 2 years
Yet just joined on Dec 7th?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, this is the only site I've ever been to
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
So why bring up other sites when you are talking about AP?
Again.. not making sense
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say only this site
Nor do I have to. This site is no different than any of the others, so it fits perfectly.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
It is different
as you are longing to learn
You know the Cleveland site?
they don’t post in the topic section, eveeeeeer
newbies stand out like newbies
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care what a "newbie" is
Unless you own it, I don’t care. I have the same right to come here and express an opinion.
Why not just drop it unless you have something to say about football.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
See you missed the last two years of AP deciding who and what Cassel is
You got a lot of catching up to do.
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Just because I haven't posted here
Doesn’t mean I haven’t read it. I’ve been writing and posting on Bleacher Report for the last three years, but because this is linked through CBS I read it, and always have.
You really think everyone here is different from everyone else?
And I’m making no sense????
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
6 months ago yes
Many were on board the Cassel wagon, I bet it is 15 % now
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
I was always surprised
At how many people couldn’t stand him from the very beginning and it just go worse. There has never been a logical reason for it.
Don’t get me wrong, I dont’ think he’s Brady/Brees/Rogers, etc., but I think he can take the team to the SB with the right team around him, such as a Dilfer, Grossman, Williams, etc., etc.
Also, as I’ve said, get a better QB, I’m all for it. They’re just not that easy to find.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Agree
They are not, yet in critical QB situations Orton is head and shoulders better than Cassel. I was not a Cassel hater (nor am I now) till Orton showed what a pro QB could do with this offense. we have had 8 or more red zone opportunities with Orton in 2 games, the rest of the Offense has to do their part too
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
that is a problem with Orton though
moves the ball, doesn’t get enough points to put teams away in the end. maybe that changes with charles and moeaki (hopefully another TE to play with) next year, we’ll have to see. this only matters if the chiefs sign him to a deal of course.
How can you say he's "head and shoulders"
Better when you’ve seen what they’ve done in the red zone in the last two weeks.
Being honest, do you know what the tone in here would be like, against Cassel, if he were the QB in these two games?
They would be ROASTING him for that.
Yes, it’s play calling, o-line, everyone, but the QB is the guy.
This team, QB, can’t find the end zone without the other team on the field.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Cassel couldn't get us in the Red-zone
once or twice a game with Cassel we scored a TD. this year. When we blew out the Raiders Cassel got short fields.
It is what it is
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, Steve_Chiefs, Orton is better when given TIME.
The big difference is clean pocket leads to more positive plays with Orton. Quicker release. Better accuracy. CONFIDENT when given time.
Cassel, not so much, and not so much awareness, but he covers ground a lot quicker and when he pulls it down, he’s a lot more dangerous as a runner.
Cassel’s also made a couple nice completions like the inaugural completion to Copper on 3rd and 7 in the Green Bay game, that Orton made.
With Cassel, there’s always hope that he’ll take the next big step, and you see him taking little steps, every week. Sometimes you’ll see him regress, a little, but he just keeps getting better. The WRs are starting to play like beasts, and Cassel might’ve benefited from some of that, when he got hurt.
In any case, Cassel’s not elite. It’s not easy to tell what his ultimate ceiling is, or how soon he can realize it.
I think Orton’s currently a step up as a pure passer, but he struggles as much as Cassel struggles against the better, more aggressive front 7’s in the league, like Oakland has. And you look at what Detroit did to a San Diego team that was OWNING the KC O-Line with just their base 4-man pass rush, and you have to conclude that the Chiefs are still 2nd-tier on OL.
would of ≠ would've
Good analysis
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
So O-line?
DeCastro should be available when we pick.
Draft DeCastro, put Hudson in at C, and find outselves an average RT in FA.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 24, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
"...no logical reason for..." disliking #7...really?
How can you say that with a straight face?
by SCKSChief on Dec 24, 2011 6:41 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Fair enough...
I cannot see how someone can watch Orton with barely a month on the team vs. Cassel with 2 and a half years and say Cassel is better. But fair enough on all the rest.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 24, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
Crap vs. Crap. Who will win?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 4:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
START A PETITION!!!!!!
Ban the AFC West from the playoffs!!!!! No team in that division looks like they can handle anyone outside of this division!
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
Chiefs went 3-1 against the NFC North
You wanna ban them too? Oh, yeah, they happen to have two playoff teams in that division, one the defending Super Bowl Champion.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
the
Special teams center shouldn’t show his face ever again on the chiefs neither should muir running a dive up the middle run a qb sneak you idiot you didn’t need much
by rickrock58 on Dec 24, 2011 4:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Kinda remind me of L-- E-----
Failed when we easily could have won
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
With a small & used up Wiegs at C, a QB sneak wouldn't have worked either...
Chiefs got beat on the line today
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
yes it wouldve
It was a foot not a yard a sneak is the logical choice there how many times you gonna run a long ass run play on 4th4th and short and get stuffed before you learn!
by rickrock58 on Dec 24, 2011 4:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just because it's your opinion doesn't make it a fact...
Several things…
>Chiefs have tried QB sneak a couple of times this year on 4th & inches & got stuffed every time because their fatties have no push against the other teams’ fatties. Wiegs gets manhandled ALL the time, so it is not logical to choose something that hasn’t worked and has a small percentage of working due to lack of push up the middle (oh, yeah – the same reason they’ve rarely been able to get a rushing TD this year, even when they’re right on top of the goal line.
>I was watching the game & it was 4th & inches -not 4th and foot or yard. Plus, I never said anything about what distance it was, so back off of that shiat.
>You might try writing they instead of you, as I have nothing in particular to learn on this and have also not run any long ass run plays lately
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
you could get push up
The middle on a sneak its not like it was far it was like you said inches so really telling me your gonna run a regular run play in a spot where there guarding and up the middle where there strength is over a sneak where even a slight push is a first down. They were also stoned trying to run those type of plays on 4tha down plenty of times this year instead of a sneak or playaction so don’t tell me it wouldn’t work
by rickrock58 on Dec 24, 2011 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We would not
have needed to make the decision if Orton had made an honest effort to get a first down on the prior play. He did not want to win badly enough, and that has been the knock on him his entire career. Not getting that first down led to a Raider’s field goal. The two BAD Int’s took at least 6 points off the board as well. That’s a nine point swing, minimum.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
trade up
by trading cassel resign Kyle for a yr to play while rg3 gets ready
by kcchiefs2782 on Dec 24, 2011 4:30 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Who wants Cassel?
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
was or jac or MIA is a good spot
by kcchiefs2782 on Dec 24, 2011 4:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
if they want a experienced qb
by kcchiefs2782 on Dec 24, 2011 4:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I will be soon
While I’m at it, I’ll give you the Colts first round pick for Palko, the Rams first round pick for Sabby, and the Vikes first round pick for Cassel
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 24, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
few draft picks with cassel maybe someone will bite
by kcchiefs2782 on Dec 24, 2011 4:52 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I've got a bad feeling about RG3
It looks like St. Louis will have the #1 overall now, and we’d be picking at #9 now. I’d personally try to work out a package for the #1 overall or see if we can get the guy they have now. RG3 doesn’t even read defenses in college, and he takes too many hits.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
btw
Why? Why in the first quarter with 3rd and 6 on 10 (or so – don’t remember exactly) do you just run a wimp ass run up the middle that was clearly intended to position for a kick instead of going for the endzone? It was still an easy kick from where they were BEFORE the play. I was NOT drunk when I saw this stupidity.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I guessing
so we didn’t have a redzone interception. But that’s just a guess.
This space for rent.
You should have been
It would have made it easier to watch. I remember the exact same play and it blew my mind.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
I am glad someone mentioned this
I think a large portion of our inability to score TD’s is linked to poor play calling. The play calling in the red zone has been atrocious, and it seems like we are calling the game from a position of fear and complacency rather than aggressiveness. I have also seen this complacency at the end of the first half in several games, and at the end of games if we were already tied.
Fear is the little death which brings obliteration.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
I hate everything
I KNEW I should’ve checked the score to the Chiefs game before looking at the score to the Bills/Broncos game…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Oh lord...
Are the Lions whipping them?>
Because I’ll hurt someone, Ren. Don’t tell me SD is losing. Don’t do it…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
ugh
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Le sigh...
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 24, 2011 5:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah SD is getting rocked by stafford
3rd qtr and Stafford is already over 300 yds I think – unbelievable
Then DO NOT look at the score
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
If it's any consolation MN
we wouldn’t have done much in the playoffs anyway…
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Chiefs lost
No ifs , ands , buts . Were not good enough yet. Next year should hopefully be a good year. We need major adjustments and make changes. It’s part of becoming a team. We need a OC , well have Charles , mo , and berry back . Plus I think pioli will be aggressive in the draft and in free agency because his job is on the line . Let’s all have a merry Christmas and hope that the chiefs learn from this year . Here’s to next year everyone . Should be great ! Happy holidays!
by chiefsman! on Dec 24, 2011 4:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree - even if we did back in to the playoffs
I don’t think we would win a game this year – I’m looking forward to getting our IR players back and having a whole offseason to prepare
Best attitude on this season.
Happy holidays to you too.
by old_school on Dec 24, 2011 8:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fuck
You know what pisses me off the most. Denver has a qb that cant even throw the damn football and puts up more points on a regular basis than this sorry ass team
He also runs in all the TD's
same as Florida, Tebow is a pig on the football field and soon the Broncos players are going to get tired of that
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 24, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
yeah probably
Last I checked though a touchdown is still worth 7 wether tebow throws or runs, and all we can do is get 3
Not sure what a "pig on the football field" is, but Tebow's getting exposed for his weaknesses,
and they’re the same weaknesses he’s been told about for 3 years, now. It’s putting Smellway into a tough spot.
would of ≠ would've
More picks than TDs is never good, though
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
It's his second game as a Chief.
He needs to develop timing with receivers, that takes 1000s of snaps to really get that down.
by Pacific Chief on Dec 24, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
If Bowe could catch
That number is reversed and the game is won. Damn you, Dwayne.
by SCKSChief on Dec 24, 2011 6:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't watched the replay yet
Was one of the picks off a tip?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
No
1 INT was a pretty bad throw into the endzone by Orton, easy pick by their safety
2 INT was a good play by their CB knifing infront of Bowe
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 25, 2011 5:52 AM CST up reply actions
No
Bowe dropped a sure TD and the subsequent post was a pick.
by SCKSChief on Dec 25, 2011 11:03 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
That kinda sucks
I don’t know what to do with Bowe. Dude is a stud receiver. But if he’s asking for AJ/Fitz type money… can we really pay that to a guy who drops more passes than both of them combined?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I'm not putting this loss on orton
It is a whole team clusterfuck. How do you get a whole football team thats allergic to the endzone.
Theres explosion
To bad its in the olines pants as they wiff on another block
Hello DeCastro
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously...
… people who are clamoring for Stanzi or that Orton is average either play too much Madden, don’t know jack about football or both.
by Pacific Chief on Dec 24, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
there is no such thing
As too much Madden
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 6:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Better than Cassel
Probably 150 yards more than he would have thrown for, maybe more.
This game should have been a win.......another example of overall bad coaching.
Not all Crennel’s fault of course, but he’s not the real answer either.
Sucks that the pieces fit together with the Bills and Lions
but we tripped over our own D***$ and shit the bed – figures
A cosmic, slow-burning gut punch
I’ve never experienced a season with such whiplash in the hope department.
0-3. I’m covered in a pile of exploded knee ligaments. Despair. Binge drinking. There is no God.
4-3. Suck it Rivers.! Home games against the Dolphins and Broncos await! Back from the dead! All hail the Zombie Chiefs!!! Binge Drinking. There is a God.
4-5?? Double you tee eff? Next 4 games are a prison shower scene. Binge drinking. There is no Dana. Only Zuul.
4-7. We’ve been cast down with the Sodomites in Shawshank. Must rid house of alcohol. Drinking the vanilla extract. God is a golden boy QB for the Broncos. Life is pain.
5-7. Leave me alone hope. You are the tease of all teases. Jets and Packers are coming. Winter is coming. Scotch is coming.
5-8. Glug glug glug glug glug.
6-8. What’s all this then? Dolphins popping champagne? Remaining schedule lines up well? Hope, I didn’t know what I was saying. Come back. You had me at hello.
This afternoon – Orton, you jackal! Suck it Tebow! Sexy Dexy! Bowe! Orton, you complete me! Driving! Kick to win it! Coming for you Tebowner! Fat man’s arm. Wrong side of 50/50. Fast man’s catch. Fat man’s leg. The Raiders no less? Darkness. Hope is not a good thing. It is not the best of things. Hope is a dangerous thing. It’s got no place here. I’ve got no place here. Chargers getting violated. Insult. Injury. Can’t breathe. Jack, Jim, Johnnie, Jose, I need you.
When I wake up in the driveway in 9 hours, perhaps perspective will come. Perhaps I will see that being alive in week 16 was virtuous in itself given our injuries and the political turmoil of the front office. Perhaps I will see that the draft brings new hope and an offseason of rehab will bring renewed commitment and discipline and maybe even a QB without bipolar tendencies. But right now I am dizzy from this cruel, unrelenting roller coaster. Right now I must get dizzier. Right now there is only the release of temporary amnesia. And I must forget, quickly. Hope, the money’s on the dresser. You did a job on us all.
by choxer on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
This comment completely sums up the season
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Classic!
Please write more! Go Chiefs!!
by Pacific Chief on Dec 24, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
In your fog.....you will see
…a Chiefs offensive lineman running at you. Do not worry. He will miss you or graze you.
by HowSweetItIs on Dec 24, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
For Tebow?
thats actually good for him, isnt it?
by TheScreenName on Dec 24, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
According to Broncos fans... that is Elwayesque.
Go Chiefs!!!!
man this sucks
all we had to do was take care of our own business and we are in the playoffs with both SD and DEN losing in blowouts.
Winner of the 2010 Arrowhead Pride, "Beat The Insiders"
Start Stanzi! Palko is terrible. Orton started, close enough. CHECK
Sign Orton to an extension!
No to RG3
Haley needs Fired! CHECK
I cant believe we worried about them but couldnt do it ourselves...we were so close
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Raiders got down right lucky.
No doubt about it, two blocked FGs ? Shouldn’t of been in overtime to begin with. lucky , lucky, lucky.
Winner of the 2010 Arrowhead Pride, "Beat The Insiders"
Start Stanzi! Palko is terrible. Orton started, close enough. CHECK
Sign Orton to an extension!
No to RG3
Haley needs Fired! CHECK
I guess we were doomed to lose
We have been unfortunate all season
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
It's hard to imagine
That everything fell in to place, perfectly today, but what I thought would be the easiest, the Chiefs winning, was not to be.
Sucks.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Where in NJ are You???
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
some place called Hillside...Its next to Newark.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm in Monmouth County, on the beach a little north of Asbury Park
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
thats cool. The beach must be fun
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
not now
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
well yea lol
cold
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
I had a bad gut feeling today,
when scored the first FG, my danger meter went high. Our inabilty to score TD’s bit us in the ass too many times. But also on the fact the my Chiefs leave us steaming turds for us a week after an emotionally high game{ex. SD, and GB}. My Mind is on Christmas to ignore the facts that we lost, but my heart is dull after that heartbreaker. I guess the only partial salvation is questions on who becomes HC, OC, DC and the draft. Crap Christmas Eve this year.
Do you smell what the Chiefs are cooking?
An a%#whooping and BBQ!!
Bring on the draft please..........
The Chargers and Broncos get blown out and we lay down
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 24, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I also found out that apparently Bill Cowler talked with the SD organization,
the very idea of Cowler working for the Chargers scares the s#!t out of me.
Do you smell what the Chiefs are cooking?
An a%#whooping and BBQ!!
Cowher had a HC job interview with the Chargers,
Do you smell what the Chiefs are cooking?
An a%#whooping and BBQ!!
Happy Holidays To All
Remember, this is just football.
I hope you enjoy the holidays with your loved ones and at least we may be able to have some fun with Orton and the Chiefs knocking Tebow and Co. out of the playoffs.
Peace
John
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Happy holidays
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 24, 2011 5:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Amen to all that
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Good God O-Line
4th and inches, game on the line, playoffs on the line, at home, vs. our most hated rivals? Rivals who have beaten us 4 straight times at home? Of course, who was the brainiac who decided to take the ball back 4 yards off the line of scrimmage for a running play? Where was the pride? Where was the fire? Push the pile. Incredibly weak show of desire on that play. Pioli, find us some linemen!
Our OL is undersized, old, and not very good...what did you expect?
As soon as they lined up I knew they weren’t going to get that…should have gone with a P/A Fake. I agree with the decision but not the playcall.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Happy Holidays everyone!!
But The question we chiefs fans now have is do we lose against the broncos and let tebowmania continue/win afc west. Or do we beat the broncos so that the Raiders can win the afc west? Im stuck on choosing the lesser of 2 evils…..
Do you smell what the Chiefs are cooking?
An a%#whooping and BBQ!!
Alright boys!!
I’m done till draft time. Gotta focus on my CID school which starts next week 1/2! Love y’all ! Merry Christmas! We will get em’ next year’ and for the next 10 yrs! Raise the glasses and celebrate – no mas Haley – welcome to the (un) certain future of our boys in red and gold!
CHIEEEEFS!!!!
(wipes tear from eye)
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 24, 2011 5:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Amen brother
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 24, 2011 6:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well that sucked
i would rather beat the broncos and allow the raiders in to the playoffs and hope the get far enough that the browns get there draft pick next in round one but lose th champion ship game just my thoughts screw the raider screw the broncos and screw the chargers happy holidays to everyone a
So since the Raiders won...
The Broncos lost, and the Chargers appear to lose… does this mean that the Raiders are in the Playoffs?
Go Chiefs!!!!
That's right
Raider nation is now rooting for us to beat the Fighting Tebows. On the other hand if we lose Tebowmania continues. What shall we do?
by His Royal Greatness on Dec 24, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
I am sure Orton would love to whup
the Tebows in Mile High.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
After the game today
My voice is gone and I have so much to say, but nothing to say at the same time.
I love the Chiefs So much, but days like today really take it out of me…. The results of the Broncos and Chargers game make me sick.
Merry Christmas AP…
We will figure this thing out during the coming weeks.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 24, 2011 6:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
hopefully Weigmann goes bye-bye
& Lilja not too far behind him.
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
Shoulda went for 2..
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 24, 2011 6:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Sure
And we could have run the same play we tried when we needed inches.
by HowSweetItIs on Dec 24, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 24, 2011 7:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
another , play calling nightmare
and shut the hellup about 25 things, to remember about this game, there is one, and that is, succup sucks, and he should be fired, he is the reason and only reason we lost the game, we had the raiders beat, on the last drive, when bowe and breaston made two great catches, then we send in this idiot that sets on the bench most of the game and gets his second field goal blocked, yes, we could understand one block, but two means the kicker sucks, his name says it all, suck up, he has never made any thing consistent over 50 yards, i hope the idiot can rest knowing that ,this was a hard faught game by the defense and offense, and he screwed his team mates, another thing terry the ref is the with out a doubt, the worst ref in nfl history, he needs to be looked at for throwing games against the chiefs, look at his games, they are nothing but penalties, and once the chiefs get going he ends up squashing it, terry the ref sucks, we the fans are really pissed about this game
I didn't get a chance to watch the game,
so I just listened to Mitch and Len on the radio. Without seeing either block, having two kicks blocked in one game says more about our protection than it does the kicker (to me, anyway). Can someone who saw them elaborate?
Okay, after seeing the kicks,
The second block is entirely on the left side of the line – they just got completely steamrolled. I’m not so sure about the first, but even if it is Succop’s fault, blocks happen – one block isn’t nearly enough to cut a good kicker.
Succop had just made 22 in a row
and the protection is what got the kicks blocked, not the kicker.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
woohoo!
Last place schedule!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2011 6:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Woohoo!
Manning!
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 25, 2011 5:57 AM CST up reply actions
Dear Mr.Haley
Tomorrow morning when your all sunshine and lollipops I pray someone stomps on your testicles
We're going to have inge beefy star
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 24, 2011 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
*one beefy draft
(dumb smart phone)
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 24, 2011 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The lingering legacy of Haley's (Muir's) weakass play calling
haunted us today. The first thing is without a season of shitty play calling we should have never had the record we do at this point. No way in hell we lose to Miami, Donkeys v1, Buffalo, etc. Therefore, regardless of where we are sitting, it was all destined by what happened from the beginning of the season.
Upset as I am about it, I am highly excited in anticipation of next season. There is a lot of good to be garnered out of it. The D is stout, getting our studs back healthy, a solid quarterback competition(hopefully, and a rookie won’t fix shit), drafting some frontmen, etc. I like where we are
As bad as I hate the donkeyville assholes, next week when we knock them and the saviour the Frack out of the playoffs, THAT will make my year, and I will grind the faces of all their suckass fans around here in it until next year. I LOVE THAT!
Same exact play blocks 2 FG
Seymour stated that the coaches had seen some things on film and had put the play in and practiced for the Punt Block all week. He stated they ran the exact same play on the 2nd Block. They say the Raiders are getting close to breaking the All Time Leader of Penalties this year, taking the Title away from the KC Chiefs, will they break the Chiefs long standing record?

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