Chiefs' Derrick Johnson On Beating Aaron Rodgers And The Packers

by Joel Thorman on Dec 19, 2011 4:57 PM CST

Kansas City Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson talked with NFL Network (H/T Fidelis86) about Sunday's victory over the Green Bay Packers. The question the rest of the playoff contenders are asking themselves is: What did the Chiefs defense do to hold Aaron Rodgers and the Packers to 14 points?

DJ had a lot of really good points to make, among them:

Get to Rodgers. "We definitely mixed it up a bunch but at times we just needed to get Aaron Rodgers on the ground," DJ said. "That was the main part. If we can get him on the ground we can create some problems him and his team." He noted that Rodgers has been getting out of a lot of sacks this year, which apparently didn't matter to the Chiefs defense on Sunday as they racked up four sacks (and three from Tamba Hali).

Keep Rodgers in the pocket: "You gotta corner him in. You gotta keep him in the pocket because he's very fast when he gets out of the pocket." He's one of the best passers while on the run and the Chiefs did keep him in the pocket for the most part.

Keep the Packers offense off the field. DJ says one key was "good team defense", or not giving up big plays, which they didn't (except one 41-yard pass to Jermichael Finley). He also cited the Chiefs offense staying on the field as a big part of their success. KC had the ball for over 36 minutes (and over 20 minutes in the first half).

Press the receivers. "You gotta get up on them and press them because you don't want them to get anything easy."

Get lucky. "You gotta have a little good luck here and there, that definitely plays a part in having success against the Packers." Maybe a few of those drops by Finley and the Packers.

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nice work Fidel :-)

I mean DJ … erm, Tamba … ummmmmm … Joel :-)

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by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions

If Haley had started Orton this week would the outcome had been the same.

I like Crennel don’t get me wrong, but man people can turn on someone at the drop of a hat. Haley didn’t start Palko I get that. Palko couldn’t beat a MAC team. I get that. But if (and all signs looked like he was) Haley had started Orton this week would the outcome had been the same as with Crennel? I support our Chiefs and players, but I think we forget quickly how Cassel (pro bowler of last year) and Haley (wasn’t he the coach of the year and led us to our first division title in a while) have done for us in the past. We got a great core of individuals. We win one game and it is like the sky is falling. Believe this though, if Orton comes out and has a bad half 50% of the threads will be calling for us to draft a QB and put in Stanzi. If we lose by 2 touchdowns everyone will say Crennel is not the answer and Fisher is. I think sometimes we lose focus on the long term, and far to little on the short term. That being said I think the Chiefs played a hell of a game, but there are still far to many questions that I wish I knew the answers too. Only time ……and patience will tell.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions 3 recs

Please take your rain to someone else's parade!

Though you make some good points.

"This was about the most fun as I’ve had on the football field." - Kyle Orton

by Tarkus on Dec 19, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

Not sure we would have seen the same energy out of the players.

They seemed to really get behind RAC.

by CapnCribbs on Dec 19, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions

I saw that energy out of our team in the first half of almost every game.

I think the players had the focus, but it is really hard to have the energy when your defense is on the field the entire game. Only two positions changed from this last game. The HC and the quarterback. I will admit that the offensive line played well, but I would except them to lay an egg next week, and let Orton get sacked 10 times. The OL has to be addressed this offseason. I like what I saw in Orton (love his progressions and arm), but the jury is still out on giving a guy a huge contract after one game. Romeo said it best when the team was so focused because it was Green Bay, undefeated, hadn’t lost in a year. The next two weeks will tell me a lot about or organization. A lot of people said it best as well, when is Pioli going to have to start taking the blame. Had we had some depth, we would be in contention, and last I checked Pioli was a personnel hog.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions

Go read the quote by McClain. I think that answers your question about Haley.

by ChiefsFetish on Dec 19, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions

There were other differences of note

The playcalling was better, with fewer “cute” plays (like multiple draws) and a more “standard”-looking gameplan.

McClain’s role in the offense as a blocker and a receiver was much larger as well. And frankly, it was about time.

Those were the two principal FOOTBALL differences I noticed on the field, and both of them played a large role in our victory.

Obviously we won’t know nearly as much until another few games go by. But there WERE differences besides Orton being in (which made more of a difference than I anticipated) that don’t speak well of Haley’s ability as a coach.

As you say, time will tell.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly

Outside of a couple TJ runs the play calling actually looked logical. We passed on 2nd and 3rd down and looked beyond the first down marker instead of 4 or 5 yards behind it. There is an obvious difference in Haley and post-Haley play calling. You gotta really wonder how much he was benefiting from having Kurt Warner back in Arizona.

by JC25FoMVP on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Exactly

by JC25FoMVP on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

You're partly right, AP will change its collective mind at the drop of a hat. But that's because different people will be making noise.

Most of the individuals around here don’t change their minds too easily. But ~~they~~ we do shut up occasionally. At this moment, the Orton haters are shutting up :)

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions

I disagree, to a certain extent,

The offensive play-calling was much better, which is a direct result of Haley being gone (and I liked Haley, but even I have to admit that he had his finger in the offensive play-calling).

by mikhel78 on Dec 19, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions

well you can also open up the play book a little more

when you have a QB that can read the field and be accurate…Cassel needed training wheels…Orton you can be a little more free with..

Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.

by KCinAZ on Dec 19, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions

How do you know?

We have been running screens all year, Muir has had some moments this year, but once again this is where I get frusterated, and just want answers from our organization. Did Haley interfere with the playcalling this year. We will never know. I know what I saw from last year, and that was Haley involved but just with Weiss. I think it has been Muir the entire year calling the plays, and we just had a QB that is NFL quality.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions

so ... McFadden fan? (angelic smile)

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions

We may have been running screens all year

But the TIMING of the screens (a crucial aspect) and the EXECUTION was significantly better.

Both of which would seem to be a coaching issue. One can only go off the evidence presented. And when playcalling goes from mystifyingly bad to pretty decent, and the only change is the loss of the HC, the most logical conclusion to draw is that Haley was in fact interfering with the offense to its detriment.

I don’t mean to pile on the guy, but I saw a lot less “cute” plays yesterday, and more plays that relied on execution and our best players making plays.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions

The only change is the loss of the HC

what about the QB? I think he played a big part in executing those plays.

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by Hoochdawg on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions

I was sick of Haleys antics myself

Weird, off the wall BS, has been going on since he got here…having JC second on the depth chart and going for it on 4th down waaaaay too much is just a couple of them…..

Im with you, that the average Chiefs fan will go completely overboard over one game…Crennel is a God right now, if he loses next week, he will be a worthless piece of shit…a month ago, neckbeard Orton was the butt of everyones jokes….now he is a savior…Houston had one good game 13 weeks into the season and now, all the sudden "we finally found someone to complement Hali….
Im happy for a good win and want to see more….A LOT more before i annoint Crennel the head coach…or say that Orton is the answer at QB….i will say, I was done with Haley AND Cassel…his pro bowl numbers and wins came against losing teams…They never beat a good team the whole time they were here…

Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.

by KCinAZ on Dec 19, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions

Injuries?

Im not finding a blame but when you lose three of our top players this makes it difficult. Every team has them and you have to work through them. I love your points. I think the blow outs were what did Haley in, we have to be competitve and quite simply we were not this year. Look at Chicago for instance. They are a lot like us. They have lost three good players, and now they can’t beat anyone.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions

My guess.

1. Crennel will do a good enough job the rest of the year to keep his job as HC.
2. Neckbeard will play very average ball over the next few weeks and everyone will want a QB in round 1 still (and they would all be correct).

by ChiefsFetish on Dec 19, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions

Sounds pretty accurate

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions

"Next FEW weeks?" I like that optimism :)

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions

He is not here anymore. So No. He would not have started Orton to begin with. So No.

Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel, Orton just showed us how 3 weeks of practice is enough to beat world champions. Yeah, Matt again has been proven to be a backup QB. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions

He brought him in

He brought him in, and he was injured so I think your thinking is a bit rash. I know he is not here, and I don’t question that.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions

I am someone who still believe Cassel's sorta success in 2010 had to do with some guy named Weis

it’s not coincident that KC played horrid in the playoff game – and the 2 games ending 2010 week 16-17. Right about the time Weis calls it quits and announce he’s leaving for Florida.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions

So do you still believe in Cassel?

Or have you seen enough and are ready to move on to others ventures?

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions

I never believed in Cassel. From the Saturday he was traded, I was like WTF!!!!! and my wife was like What Happened?

by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions

my belief

Is that all of Cassel AND Haley success came against really bad teams we played last year…everytime we played a good team they exposed Cassel and Haley and we usually got blown out…that trend continued this year…Haley and Cassel beat 2 teams with winning records the entire time they were here…Pitt in 09, they were not that good, finished 9-7, finished 3rd in their division and missed playoffs…then a couple weeks ago vs Chicago….they were good til they lost Cutler, then we took Forte out of the game in the first quarter….woo hoo…big wins!…Romeo and Ortons first game they go out and dominate undefeated GB…

Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.

by KCinAZ on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions

The most sensible comment I've seen since the game

All very good points.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions

no

by 12t on Dec 19, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions

Good insight

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions

Good insight on his insight

And it’s “Athena,” not “Atena.” Additionally, Kronos wasn’t a God but a Titan.

Finally, your sig is everything that’s wrong with people that hate Tebow. Hating on a guy because of his religion is pretty weak.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

Fortunately, we'll never know.

by ChiefsFetish on Dec 19, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

Agree 100% DMCbomb

Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.

by Hoochdawg on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions

Heck, I wanna see Stanzi now!

I just know that won’t happen unless it’s garbage time, or Orton gets hurt, or just maybe if we’re down three scores and RAC decides to see if he has a “spark” for the offense.

if Orton comes out and has a bad half 50% of the threads will be calling for us to draft a QB and put in Stanzi.

I’m not coronating the Orton as our long-term QB. He is the best we have right now and there’s no guarantee we’ll have him next year. Plus, Sunday’s 74% completion rate was a CAREER game for him. We won’t see that every week. But man, that and using ten different receivers!

It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.

by neiowakcfan on Dec 20, 2011 2:33 AM CST up reply actions

Remember how much off-coverage our DBs played earlier this season? What changed?

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:15 PM CST reply actions

Rac changed it . . .

He realized that playing a soft defense would lose games (which hinges on your offense scoring at least a few points each game), so he has had to start playing more aggressively on defense to try to make up for our sorry offense.

by mikhel78 on Dec 19, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions

It's not rain

Because the Colts won one game is the QB now the answer….no. I love my Chiefs, and have watched every minute of every game this year. Trust me this has been very difficult at times. I have also watched us disappoint year after year (1994 wasn’t that long ago was it?) I just wish that we had more of an identity as a team. We are so inconsistant on defense, and totally inconsistant without Charles on offense. But the last I checked 52 other players have to accept some of the responsibility. I like Crennel….a lot….as the defensive play caller. This team needs a tenured head coach, that is offensively minded. I also think the Fisher was mediocre at best.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions

Why do you want an offensive HC? Just curious.

Personally, I want a HC who’ll concentrate on being a HC.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions

Every coach has a background in one or the other.

And a lot of Super Bowl coaches have even called plays on one side or the other.

"This was about the most fun as I’ve had on the football field." - Kyle Orton

by Tarkus on Dec 19, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions

Offense because.....

It has been lacking since Trent Greene for God’s sakes. Our defense with Crennel, Berry back, the emergence of Bailey, Houston, and Lewis, and a few more pick ups in the draft will be nothing short of elite next year. Our woes for the last 10 years have been on offense. We have the pieces but just don’t have the chemisty and mindset to fix them. I think a good HC with an offense background will help the OC next year out.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions

hey, I hear there's a whiz kid OC in Arizona who was there when they went to the Super Bowl and he's REALLY GREAT with WR's and ...

oh wait … never mind

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions

Whisenhunt?

"This was about the most fun as I’ve had on the football field." - Kyle Orton

by Tarkus on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions

but that just say we need a better QB

by damdoneugker on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions

I'd rather get that offensive genius guy for an OC, and get a HC who will leave him alone.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions

Do you see Romeo sticking around

If he gets passed over for the HC job? Especially if he wins another game or both and the team looks good?

Because I don’t. And frankly, I wouldn’t blame him.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

^This

It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.

by neiowakcfan on Dec 20, 2011 2:35 AM CST up reply actions

it takes time to get tenure ...

This team needs a tenured head coach, that is offensively minded

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions

Which is why...

Which is why we don’t need another gamble like Haley was. Pioli has to much to lose, and I would bet the farm it will not be Josh.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions

I still wouldn't rule out

Him coming in as OC.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions

In case anyone missed it, it wasn't the offense that won the game

I get such a kick out of the hypocrisy, here and every where else.

If Cassel has taken the Chiefs into the red zone four times and come out with 6 points, you’d all be screaming to bench him for Palko. Which, by the way, fans were calling for early in the year.

NOTE TO READERS- do not get me wrong. Orton was great and I enjoyed that game as much as any game in recent memory (until they slaughter the Broncos).

But, the reaction was SO predictable it’s simply a joke.

If any of you think Orton is the “guy”, you’re on crack.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions

I think you're misreading "Orton is a million times better than Cassel" and translating it to "Orton is The Guy" all on your own

that said, Orton very well COULD be The Guy … but if you (or anyone else) thinks this team is going to find some “savior” in the draft (or anywhere else) who will come in and instantly be our Rodgers/Manning/Brady/Brees then I have a nice bridge to sell you, currently located in San Francisco

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions

Question to upamtn

Question for you. You are well thought of here and make great points. Early this year there was a poll that said something like would you take a SB now mentality, or a long term franchise mentality. I think the results were overwhelming that we would take a SB any day over the later. Would you take a gamble on Manning if here were available. He has questions yes, and maybe only a couple more years, and it would cost us. Would you take the risk on him, and what is your thoughts on our QB position for next year?

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions

If healthy, I would take Manning in a heart beat

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions

I think there is a good reason they are not playing him anymore this year

Keeps the stock on him very high and the jury still in.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions

And here I thought it was the two neck surgeries.

"This was about the most fun as I’ve had on the football field." - Kyle Orton

by Tarkus on Dec 19, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions

I don't know

It seems, to me, silly for him to play anymore. I’m not a doctor, but what’s he got left to prove at his age? This is not knee surgery he’s had. The Colts will be in a tought spot.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions

I would as well

A ticked-off Manning is good for 4 years of SB contention.

That’s plenty of time to groom a replacement.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions

I vaguely remember that post ... I never vote, btw

my answer then, and now, is go long term … and I have nothing at all against drafting and developing, I hope they DO find someone great for the next 10 or 15 yrs … but I do NOT want to see us give away the ranch to get the guy (ie, we aren’t getting Luck or RG3 or any of the top 3 or 5 out there, and so it goes) … we have other holes to fill, and I think a TEAM (team game, remember?) can indeed go far with a very strong defense (see: Martyball) and a mistake-free

Manning? would cost way too much in trades/draft picks for only a few years and that’s if he’s in the best of shape (and if he is, why would the Colts let him go? their best option, I think, is keep Manning and draft Luck or RG3) … FYI: Martin Manley of Upon Further Review did a terrific piece on Manning and other “older QBs” the other day … no way, not worth it by any means

next year I’d love to see Orton stay and start … ditch the Cassel, work with Stanzi, draft someone someplace and pick up a journeyman as emergency … let Stanzi and the draftee slug it out for the future … meantime pick up OLine, DLine, OLine, LB, OLine, CB and RB depth and more OLine in draft and FA (did I mention that I think we need some OLine help? also, please give me some BEEF out there and forget the ZBS … it’s FOOTBALL, for crying out loud … get the BIG guys and be done with it)

I know that Orton is “the best QB in the game” but just from what he did yesterday, it should be crystal clear to any unbiased and halfway intelligent observer that orton is a better QB in almost every respect than Cassel (and believe me, we have a TON of halfway intelligent people here at AP … I should know, I’m one of them)

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Great points.

But haven’t we been developing for the long term since 1994? Give me an average Manning for two years and I give you the farm and the keys to the truck. I also think that Stanzi is not the answer or we would have seen him sometime this year. I think there is going to be a lot of disappointed fans when we take an offensive lineman in the draft. And the QB question will still be up in the air.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions

thing is, we have no idea if Manning will his old self ... or not

and even if he is, or very close, how much of what we have no goes out the window in change to accommodate what HE does best? ie, new plays? new routes? new schemes? I have no idea …

as I said, he’d be costly to get and would last only a few years, at most … and I think Orton gives us a very reasonable chance to win now while we draft and groom someone for the future … and regardless of who we have (please, not Cassel) we still need a strong(er) OLine and more depth … etc etc ad nauseum

think of last year with Moeaki and Charles and Cassel, then replace Cassel with Orton and you have a MORE than serviceable offensive system … add RB depth and more beef for the OLine, more DLine and Secondary depth and you’re looking at a team that should be able to win now AND in the future … without GIVING AWAY the future in draft picks JUST to get Manning or some unproven rookie

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions

Probably not worth the money/picks, etc.

Plus, he’s so locked in with the guys on the Colts he’d have a hard time moving into a new system, players, etc. Just a nice thought though.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions

Not just "some unproven rookie!"

A rookie whose initials make him sound like an Austrian-made automatic weapon.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Nice

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

I remember when the mick drafts had us picking an unproven rookie

His name was Drew Brees. Instead we traded the pick for Trent Green. Trent was the best since Dawson for us but he lasted only a few more years. Last I checked they were carving a bust for Brees in the HoF in the Purdue corner next to Lenny. Frankly I’m tired of watching us draft lineman in the first round whether it be offense or defense. They can be had in FA. Qb is such an important position that it’s worth picking every 5 years in the first round until you get the right one. Victor Riley John Tait and Trezzle Jenkins have yet to lead a team to the Superbowl.

by paulredfish on Dec 19, 2011 9:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

ONE game, and it's "crystal clear"

I guess that’s why you used the term, “halfway intelligent”.

All your other points about o-line, d-line are what the Chiefs need to do to get to the next level.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions

"but I do NOT want to see us give away the ranch to get the guy"

Without “The Guy”, you wind up with a nice little ranch and sell a few cattle until the bigger better ranch being run by “The Guy” comes along and puts you out of business.

You never regret the draft picks you give up to get John Elway. You don’t even remember who they were.

28 years bro….28 years….

In that time:
6 OL
5 DL
5 RB
0 QB
0 SB

Not a coincidence

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions

Great, so where do they get one?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions

Bro

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions

WTF is your problem?

I did not respond to you, let alone call you “bro”

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions

I repeat, where do you get one?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions

I repeat, WTF is your problem?

You so antsy for a fight that you need to pick one with the guy who agrees that Orton isn’t the answer?

I am suggesting that for the first time in 28 years we draft a 1st round QB. If you don’t like that answer…fine….don’t care.

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions

No, I just want to know how we get a pick like that

That’s all. All those picks, Manning, Elway, etc. went in the top. The Chiefs don’t have that, and won’t be close enough to get there, so unless they pull a Tom Brady out of the fith round (Stanzi), how do they get that franchise guy?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions

I think he means packaging a bunch of picks to move up?

Could be wrong though.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Dec 19, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions

We don't know exactly where we'll be drafting next year

Based on this year alone, the Falcons somehow managed to move all the way up to #6 from like 26th or 27th. You can get into the top 5 if you’re willing to pay for it. Ups suggested that you shouldn’t pay the price to do it.

I disagree and say that if you have a crazy high grade on a QB you pay basically whatever it takes. The QB position is just that important.

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions

If they can get Griffin

Do it!

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions

Marino, Kelly,

Rodgers…..

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions

And Brees

We may not get one this year but you never know what can happen. I remember when I was wishing we would get that young man with the neck beard. Obviously I needed to be more specific with my Genie wishes. Funny how our neck beard performed like the one I wanted. He has 2 more games to audition for the job. I really liked what I saw yesterday. Some Qbs need a change of scenery. See Jim Plunket Lenny Dawson and Steve Young for references.

by paulredfish on Dec 19, 2011 10:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

I never vote, btw

P Diddy will find you. Vote or die

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

By the way, where did I say "Orton was a million times better", or

Inferred that from anything? I didn’t, you did. In fact, you didn’t address one thing I wrote.

Additionally, you just brought up stuff I didn’t even refer to.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions

alright, I won't infer anything, instead I'd respond to your very words ...

In case anyone missed it, it wasn’t the offense that won the game

I get such a kick out of the hypocrisy, here and every where else

1) no, I don’t think anyone missed the fact that the defense played exceptionally well … in fact, the defense has been the talk of this board all season despite the blowouts in several games, including last week against the Jets

2) in case you missed it, football is still a team sport that takes BOTH defense AND offense to win … in the case of yesterday’s game, it was indeed the first time all year the Packers scored less than 20 pts, it was also the first time in a long time the Chiefs scored more than 10 … and they did that with numerous long drives (keeping the defense off the field) and ball control and thus clock control (holding the ball for 20 minutes in the first half) … that was the OFFENSE that held the ball, not the DEFENSE

3) hypocritical is saying something that you don’t believe to be true … personally, I don’t know of a single blogger on this website who doesn’t believe what he or she is saying and or thinking, which leads me to …

4) I think YOU know what YOU can do with your name calling … I personally could care less that you’ve been a blogger for BR or anywhere else … simply tossing out verbiage does NOT make one an expert, but I’m sure you’re MORE than aware of that yourself

have a nice life

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions

Actually, I didn't call anyone a name

and, you’re comment made no sense. Are you a tad sensitive?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions

Ups is hardly sensative

I’ve “known” him for a year and a half now. And I can tell you that if you’re offending ups, you’re probably being a jackass.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions

He was referring to the mistake you were making

By interpreting people saying “Orton looks better than anything we’ve had” as them saying “Orton is the guy.”

You misread what he wrote. He wasn’t saying YOU think Orton’s a million times better, he’s saying OTHER people think he’s a million times better, and YOU’RE misinterpreting that as people thinking he’s “the guy.”

Does that clarify the issue?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions

Thats right!

Zayla, when Pioli sold us Cassel in 2009, he was supposed to play like the Orton we saw yesterday. And above average to mediocre QB and a great game manager. Cassel never lived up to that in 3 years. Orton did it with 3 weeks or so with unfamiliar receivers. We’re not asking for a fantasy stud to throw 3-4 TDs to beat the Packers.

I am confident to say that if Cassel played yesterday in the game, he might have thrown 2 TDs but we might have had more 3 and outs, thus keeping the DEF on the field much more. Did you see how fluid the offense ran under Orton’s command? Even when MC had his fantasy stud stats, I don’t remember watching KC’s offense that fluid.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions

I guess one game is very important to you

Ask the folks in Denver.

Also, I guess you forgot last year.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions

Did Orton really get a fair shake in Denver?

He knew his days were numbered once Tebow was drafted and the coaches succumbed to the masses chants.
So far he looks like a bargain for us compared to everyone here since Trent Green. He completed passes to 10 different receivers yesterday because he threw it to the open guy with a catchable pass. I didn’t see any spectacular catches yesterday because our recievers didn’t have to jump ten yards across their bodies to make a one handed circus catch.

by paulredfish on Dec 19, 2011 10:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Not fair

Matt is more of a game managing quarterback behind behind a stud Charles. When he is allowed to play this role he does very well. We have no, no, did I mention no threat at RB this year so we have to allow that we are going to throw more this year. Also besides Bowe last year, name one receiver that could start on an NFL depth chart. Not a TE mind you.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions

Nearly 2:1 time of possession is GOOD offense.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions

Good point

You are right. But, you and I both know it was the defense that won the game.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions

No, it was a team win.

I’d give more credit to the defense because GB has such an incredible offense. But our offense more than did their job.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed

But the offense also did their best to give it away. Penalties and red zone ineptness.

Most teams that did that against Green Bay would have gotten slaughtered.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions

Ha, so if the offense hadn't screwed up, they would have had the ball for 45 minutes.....

The defense did very well, but also had their mistakes.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions

No, but honestly

Do you think most teams that got into the red zone four times and came away with six points would win against Green Bay?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions

No, our defense did very well.

Our offense has one glaring weakness that stood out really badly yesterday, short yardage running. But in every other phase, our offense also did very well.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions

Would you have gone for it on one of those fourth and short?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions

I actually didn't see the first one.

The second one, I was yelling at the TV “KICK IT!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GAAAAWD KICK IT!!!!!!!!!!” So, no.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

I thought they should

Only because I thought GB would score like they normally do.

That’s why Crennel is the HC and not me.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions

It's just that the ONE thing GB's defense is good at is being huge

in the middle of their D line. A big weakness of our offense is handling big D tackles. So we’re not good when we go at those kinds of lines, and those D lineman know we’re coming.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions

A fake FG might have worked better.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions

That thought occured to me

But I don’t think that’s Crennel’s style

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions

That's why I wasn't thrilled with the play calling

I thought they could have been a little more creative, but hey, hindsight.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions

I've seen it all over the internet today, including here

So keep your bridge. There is virtually no difference between Cassel and Orton.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions

here, let ME help

while we’re at it .. no difference? really? maybe you need to check some statistics (since you apparently don’t believe what your eyes tell you … or did you not pay attention to the fact that Orton stood in the pocket, didn’t panic and went thru his progressions?

or is it that things like that don’t actually matter to you? (you know, things that actually separate a good QB from a not good QB)

at any rate, here you go, Zayla …

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/12/19/2647336/passing-yards-cassel-vs-orton

happy reading!

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions

Key word had time in the pocket

I think we can both agree that Matt never had time in the pocket this year. Not because of his progressions but because guys were on him on three step drops. Orton is much better at his progressions, but Matt could have hit those guys yesterday as open as they were on most plays.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions

Cassel is a good, not great QB

But you are right. He would have hit those throws. Palko wouldn’t have hit the sidelines.

Cassel, like Orton, and most QB’s need a good team around them.

I am not suggesting that Cassel is KC’s answer. My point is that this predictable one day response to a one day game by an average QB is silly, and laughable.

I hope he does it again in the next two weeks though.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I hope

I hope we get some grapefruits and trade up in the draft to get RG3. It will cost us but is the final piece of our puzzle.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions

Sadly, that's the price they will pay for winning out

I would take him in a heart beat. He throws as good of a ball as I’ve seen in years, but he’ll be long gone.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions

Cassel is NOT a good QB

he’s not even a mediocre QB

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions

Cassel was a backup. Repeat that Backup QB. With 3 year stints in KC, he can now be labeled as a journeyman Backup.

Up, you’re giving MC more credit than he deserve…GOOD? c’mon

by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions

I'd give him "Depressingly Average"

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Dec 19, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

I can agree with this assessment

when he’s “on”

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions

to be fair he DID start a year in NE and then 2+ yrs here

but again, he is NOT a “GOOD QB” … my response was to Zayla who, it would seem, thinks otherwise

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions

That's true, I do

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions

C'mon Zayla

A good to decent QB would have completed that screen pass to Dex..not the other teams defender…someone remind Zayla what game it was where MC dump a screen pass right into the waiting hands of a defender?

by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions

I never said he hasn't made bad plays

Do you think you can find a QB that hasn’t?

Do you ever give him credit for making a good one?

How about Orton?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions

What do you watch when you're watching KC football?

Do you ever watch other QBs play? The way that Cassel drops back and commands his huddle is unlike any I’ve seen. He is so uneasy and seemed to stiffen up at the smallest pressure. His release are almost awkward looking 70% of the time. Something about him just don’t cut for me as a QB, let alone an NFL starting QB.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions

It's tough when Orton, after being on the team for a few weeks

Played a better complete game than Matty Nice did all season. Even Cassel’s best game this year (IND) included a quarter and a half of total suck.

Cassel’s an average QB, who has entire quarters of complete ineptitude.

Orton is also an average QB, but one who (by the only evidence currently available) is more capable of moving our offense.

However, I agree with the basic premise you’ve been putting forth that one game is hardly enough to judge. That’s the big problem IMO. Even three games isn’t enough to really judge, so we’ll find ourselves with a tough decision if Orton closes the season playing very well.

I’m all about RG3 personally.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions

Cassel could have hit those guys, but I'm not as confident that he would have seen them in the first place.

He has been fairly notorious this season for not seeing the open guy.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions

Apparently you havent seen our O line play the previous 14 games.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, that's right, I never saw a Chiefs game before yesterday.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

Not saying that

It’s just that seeing open guys and 2011 Chiefs offesive line can’t be used at the same time during any sentence. LOL.

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions

OK, then the other explanation is, what, magic?

We had the same Oline yesterday that we’ve had all season. Granted, GB’s defense is not good, I said that myself before the game and even said that this would be the perfect game to get a new QB’s feet wet. But, Cassel HAS had time in games this season, and he’s usually looked worse then than when he’s rushed.

And for the record, I am NOT a Cassel hater, I’ve defended him on quite a few occasions, and still do. But it’s pretty obvious that Orton is visibly better at some fundamental QB skills than Cassel.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions

That makes no sense

Orton comes out and all of a sudden, what, the entire team stopped sucking?

Isn’t a more likely explanation that

A) Orton is better at finding the open man than Cassel
B) Orton is better at “throwing his receiver open” than Cassel
C) Orton has better pocket awareness than Cassel.

When the ONLY thing that changes is QB with regards to personnel, it’s tough to continue the same old excuses for Cassel.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions

but Matt could have hit those guys yesterday as open as they were on most plays.

Then why hasn’t he consistently done so? People mistakenly say that Cassel never has time. However, his happy feet are part of the problem with regards to pressure.

It’s difficult to chalk it up to coincidence that without Cassel or Palko in there the offense line all of a sudden looked better. A big part of being a QB is moving around the pocket and behind the line to avoid pressure. Cassel is terrible at that.

The line played over its head, for sure. But I think it’s ridiculous, when what changed was the QB and not the line, to think that the SOLE difference was the line’s play.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions

Orton was making good reads on packers D.

That is not Cassel’s strong points. Orton got rid of the ball faster, subsequently the OL played well. Lets wait and see these next 2 games. Orton sure made Len Dawson happy with quick reads and nice playactions. we will see.

by Sinny on Dec 19, 2011 5:55 PM CST reply actions

Lenny was probably happy just because

he was looking at the quarterback instead of a stat sheet. Otherwise, he would have know that Orton is the same thing as Cassel :)

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions

I want the Chiefs to win

I don’t give a crap who’s the QB.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 5:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Chiefs WILL but Bronco's WILL NOT against the bills

by DMCbomb on Dec 19, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions

That's the part that sucks

After watching the Dolphins run through them it’s hard to imagine them beating the Bronocs.

Too bad though, because if the Lions beat the Chargers, which is very possible, in Detroit, Chiefs beat the Raiders, which will happen, and the Bills pull off the upset…..

Chiefs would play the Broncos for the division title.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions

Yep.

If only Barber had stayed in bounds:)

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10

by Chiefs_40 on Dec 19, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

What a moron

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

Or.

If only Barber didn’t fumble in OT. That dude screwed us twice.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10

by Chiefs_40 on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions

Jesus mindscrewed him.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions

Did he blame Jesus yesterday?

Just a question

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

no

nor has he ever said Jesus or God or anything other than hard work and determination and a lot of studying and effort have been the cause for any success he and the Broncos have had

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions

You really need to lighten up

It’s called a “joke”. You know, like SNL did, which was VERY funny.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions

That skit was some funny shit.

Calm down Ups. Nobody is picking on your boy.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10

by Chiefs_40 on Dec 19, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, what Zayla said.

Plus, we were talking about Barber…..

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions

True, don't even get me started on Tebow

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions

God hates Barber

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions

god apparently hates the chiefs

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions

But Barber loves Him.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions

What I find strange

Is that he (and the media) talk about all his hard work and study on the one hand and then talk about how he isn’t a good practice player and his greatest strength is his improvisational skills.

If he’s such a hard worker and a studier, shouldn’t he be a good practice player and wouldn’t his strength be reading defenses and following the gameplan?

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by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

If you haven't seen it yet

You really need to see the SNL skit. That’s just what it’s about. It’s a riot. Just Google or YouTube it. Very funny.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 19, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions

Dilfer did a piece or two on how Tebow can read defenses and make the proper play.

He is a hard worker, AND he’s not a very good passer. You can work hard and still not be very good.

I think he’s seen as a good improvisor because he can only throw the ball somewhat accurately when he abandons the new throwing motion he’s trying to learn and goes back to his old loopy-loop motion.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Dec 19, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions

I think you're missing my point

I agree you can work hard and still not be good. My point is that we’re now being told that he IS good and the reason he’s good is that he’s such a hard worker. This is then followed up with evidence of goodness that has nothing to do with hard work.

You know what he’s good at? He’s really really good at buying time in the pocket and giving receivers time to get wide freaking open. (Which is what he needs for his scatter shot approach to accuracy)

It’s a useful skill. You can make a few plays and win some games doing it. But other than the work required to stay in football shape. (Which basically every player does) It has nothing to do with hard work and everything to do with his natural athleticism.

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions