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Good morning everyone. I'm handling Arrowheadlines duties today and there are a lot of stories about your Kansas City Chiefs beating the Green Bay Packers on Sunday. Enjoy today's Chiefs news.

The descriptions of Crennel are a general sketch of what owner Clark Hunt and general manager Scott Pioli say they want in a head coach.

Crennel treats everyone with respect. He is obsessed with details, with fundamentals, with the kind of preparation that means the Chiefs know their opponents better than the other way around.

Crennel makes his own decisions (Orton found out he was starting Sunday's game before Pioli did) without being insubordinate. He gives credit to his players first, his assistants second and himself never.

In big win, Chiefs find leader in Crennel | KC Star

The Packers' 19-14 loss to the Chiefs was the perfect storm of things that could go wrong. Though the game plan of Chiefs interim coach Romeo Crennel will be closely studied, the Packers' loss can be attributed to two things -- the inability to beat man-to-man press coverage and poor pass protection as a result of injuries.

"Kansas City had a great game plan and got it done," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "The Chiefs pressed us from the time we got off the bus."

John Clayton's last call | ESPN

Star-divide

Often times rushing with only four or five, the Chiefs committed to playing coverage. They shaded their safeties to help cornerbacks Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers on the perimeter. When they left the middle of the field open, tight end Jermichael Finley couldn't make them pay often enough. Rodgers threw his way 10 times, but Finley caught only three of them. He had 83 yards after getting shut out against the Raiders, and his 41-yard catch in the third quarter helped set up the Packers' first touchdown, but his day could've been much better.

Chiefs DBs disrupt Packers offense | Green Bay Press Gazette

Winning is fun, especially when it interrupts a potentially historic run toward perfection. But in this case, it's not that simple. Now what should the Chiefs do? Bring back Orton, who will be a free agent after this season? Pay Matt Cassel another chunk of a $63 million contract for a fourth season with the Chiefs? Or maybe draft or sign a newcomer, looking toward the future instead of the present?

This is a tough one. But Crennel said Sunday afternoon that there's a way the quarterback matter could be resolved quickly, too.

Orton impresses as Chiefs contemplate future at QB | KC Star

"I didn't see a bunch of guys running around talking about 16-0. That was my sense of it," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "We knew what type of game we were coming into today. This was no surprise. It wasn't just talk. We answered the questions all week.

"We knew we were coming into a juggernaut and we didn't overcome it."

Packers anything but perfect against the Chiefs | The AP

Green Bay, playing without leading receiver Greg Jennings and top rusher James Starks because of injuries, can wrap up the No. 1 seed in their final two games against Chicago and Detroit. But the Packers no longer have the pressure of becoming the second team in NFL history to win a Super Bowl with a perfect record, or extending the second-longest winning streak in league history.

"I think our goal ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl. The next step is getting that No. 1 seed in the playoffs,'' Rodgers said.

Packers perfect season spoiled by Chiefs | The AP

Video: Inside the locker room

Video: Kyle Orton Q&A

Video: Romeo Crennel Q&A

They followed Crennel's plan almost perfectly, they ran the ball effectively to keep the clock moving and the ball away from the high-scoring Green Bay offense and they pressured quarterback Aaron Rodgers most of the afternoon to keep him out of his comfort zone.

The Chiefs also didn't commit a turnover for the first time since an early October win over Minnesota. The quarterback Crennel installed this week as a starter, Kyle Orton, simply played a near-flawless game.

Players credit Crennel for focused victory | KC Star

But the Packers, who were three games from matching the 2007 Patriots as the only team in NFL history to go 16-0 in the regular season, were quick to shrug off the defeat's significance.

"Really, what is disappointing to me is that we didn't clinch home-field advantage," said Green Bay coach Mike McCarthy, a Baker alum. "That was always the goal. I personally always viewed the undefeated season as really just gravy."

Packers disappointed to lose but still focused on Super Bowl | KC Star

Now Succop, a third-year kicker from South Carolina who made all four of his attempts Sunday, has converted 21 straight.

In fact, he hasn't missed a kick since pushing a 38-yard try wide right in a 20-17 loss Sept. 25 at San Diego and is one short of the franchise record of 22, set by Pete Stoyanovich in the 1997-98 seasons.

Chiefs Buzz | Players had faith beating Packers was possible | KC Star

The Chiefs will want to make certain that Sunday's performance wasn't a fluke and that the team continues showing progress under Crennel. It might not even matter if the Chiefs win one or both of their final two games; improvement will be the primary barometer. As long as Crennel's team isn't blown out against Oakland or Denver, though, he'll remain the frontrunner.

Chiefs blitz | The good, bad and ugly | KC Star

Could you have scripted this win any better as the new head coach? "As it turned out it was a great script. Wins are always good in the NFL. I don't care how you get them. If you can win that's a positive and we feel good about the win."

Romeo Crennel Q&A | KCChiefs.com

Did you have an advantage having faced this team already this season? "It is always better to be able to see a team twice. Having said that they beat me the first time. That's a good football team. They have a great chance to win the Super Bowl. We are happy we played together as a team. Our coaches coached great and we got a big win."

Kyle Orton Q&A | KCChiefs.com

On giving Romeo Crennel his first win as head coach for the Chiefs: "We want to play hard for this guy. We've been through up and downs as a defense, but he's a great guy. He always stays positive. He's a guy we want to play hard for. With him being a head coach, the offense felt the same way. We just want to keep winning for him."

Chiefs players Q&A | KCChiefs.com

"Change is good, but at the end of the day you got to give credit to the players," Johnson said. "Coach Romeo Crennel went out and told us that nobody's going to believe that you can go out and win this game, but we believed in this room. That's all that matters and it shows today ... our mindset changed.

"Of course Kyle Orton did a great job and was a big part of the win. I'm happy he's on our team.

The morning after | KCChiefs.com

By all accounts, Orton's leadership style went over well in the Chiefs offensive huddle.

"How do you think it went," G Ryan Lilja asked jokingly. "I'm looking up at the video boards during breaks and he's Mr. Fantasy Football. He was just lighting it up."

Orton takes control of huddle in first start with Chiefs | KCChiefs.com

First, Romeo Crennel received the traditional Gatorade bath. Up next came the hugs - lots of them. Once Crennel reached the Chiefs locker room, the chants broke out.

"Romeo...Romeo...Romeo."

Chiefs victory filled with raw emotion | KCChiefs.com

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When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Dec 19, 2011 7:16 AM CST reply actions  

YEARS down the road

Hope we can keep that run going.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I think i am..

hard not to be after a game like that. I love it when my guys are underdogs and we pull out the win!

"It's still real to me dammit!"

by Matt in KC on Dec 19, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what we have to watch

Can’t get too high after this. After all, this team is very capable of ripping our hearts from our chest in the next two weeks.

I’m approaching the next two games with cautious optimism for next season. If Romeo can get this team to play well (I really don’t care about wins), just play WELL for the last two and show progress, then I’ll be convinced that he is the guy to lead the Chiefs. If the team comes out and reverts back to the shitball team that they were, then we may need another direction.

Great win yesterday in a seemingly impossible situation. That being said, I don’t think the team has changed their overall stripes just yet.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Free tequila south down Mexico way for me

Ill be half way to drunk by breakfast ha

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

I was there in June…wasn’t much time during the day when I wasn’t. Talkin passed out by 6 pm drunk.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll tell you right now

If we get to the playoffs by a miracle this year, we’re making a run. Just like I said we we’re gonna beat GB, i’m telling you if we get in AFC teams won’t want to play us

by RamX21 on Dec 19, 2011 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

This defense is on the cusp of greatness

We all feel it. We just need an offense that can control the clock and make plays. I feel like Orton can do exactly that with the players he has around him.

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Alright

My gut says we drop the last two. Why? Because we can, that’s why.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

It wouldn't be unheard of

To have a big letdown game after such an emotional win. But I guarantee that Kyle Orton will do everything to beat Denver in Denver. He has week 17 circled already as payback against a bunch of fans who spent the last two years giving his backup more love than him.

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

But can the line play well for more than one game? That’s my concern. Orton was very good, with room to grow yet. The line and running game scare the crap out of me. And I’m still wary of the D’s ability to consistently stop the run and pressure the passer.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, our O Line will have a hard time (again) against Doom and Miller

That’s a nasty pass rush.

Still, if anyone has motivation to shove a foot up the Broncos’ (and their fan base’s) collective asses, it’s Orton.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Very true.

Got to make them fear the pass enough to pin their ears back, first.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

TJ HAS to start scoring on those

His old ass needs to get in the paint. That makes 2 or 3 times this year he’s failed to score at the end of big runs and cost them points.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Shared blame on those

Our O Line has to get push down inside the 5 on those runs. We weren’t getting push, and TJ likewise wasn’t making anything extra happen.

Plug in Amon Gordon at FB like we did with Shaun last year and have Deep Freeze 2.0?

Or let Powe do it. That’d be a load to try to stop on the goal line.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't help feeling that way

Chiefs fans have been conditioned to expect the worst. I want to have optimism but it gets hard not to be skeptical sometimes.

Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 19, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I find it easier to expect crappy performances and losses only to be pleasantly surprised with wins than the converse.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow... Just wow

So I’m in Mexico on my honeymoon and tracking the game on the wifey’s iPad poolside. Of course I end up missing the most monumental win of the season. Either way, I’m ecstatic about the performance of this team. The offensive play calling was solid and it makes me wonder if maybe Haley was the chef that was spoiling the soup.

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 7:29 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

I feel like maybe Pioli kept trying to fix personality conflicts between employees before realizing that Haley was the only common variable in all the cases. A lot easier to fire one guy than your whole staff. Congrats on the marriage BTW!

by KCJayhawk on Dec 19, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

You know what this means right?

You have to stay in Mexico, poolside…Until we lose

I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.

by ChiefRoyal on Dec 19, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

and grow a beard!

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

What a difference a QB makes

Way to saddle yourself to Palko, Todd.

Oh, and anyone else notice that Muir’s playcalling was pretty sumbitchin good without Todd around to fuck with it?

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:37 AM CST reply actions  

I think that may have been Zorn calling plays

and Muir was focused back on the oline because both were doing better than usual

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.

by KingChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

If that was the case, Muir needs to take his old job back.

If Muir is that good of an O-line coach, then that’s where he needs to be. Personally, I’d like to have a new guy in the booth calling plays and let Zorn and Muir focus on what they’re good at.

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by jhoward8780 on Dec 19, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

KingChief ... no, it was Muir

… and Orton on the sidelines when the D was on the field, going thru things with WR’s

Zorn’s contribution was staying out of the way

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Or perhaps, it was just NOT having Haley involved in the plays?

I only saw one stupid WR bubble-screen type thing yesterday and it was pretty effective – usually we see like 7 of those a game and they’re often terrible. Also missing were some other stupid plays that always get called – McCluster inside sprint-draw?

I don’t know if it was just me – but it seemed like a lot of plays were called that I don’t see often, and some of the typical ones that make me scream at the TV were not.

by Ochophosphate on Dec 19, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

One thing to add.

If we end up resigning and starting Orton next season, this guy is going to be a great fantasy football value pick. With jamaal coming back, a full offseason to work with Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, and Moeaki, and his track record as a starter on teams with few receiving weapons, he could put up some monster numbers on this team.

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 7:38 AM CST reply actions  

Great win yesterday!

To be fair, we have seen it time and again.. Once a team loses their head coach they go out and pull out an upset. Im not taking anything away from Romeo and the Chiefs, but emotions were running high this week (with fans too) and I think that was a big part of it. I am still one of the Haley supporters, but what is done is done. I am ALL for giving Romeo this head coaching job. The players really seem to support him and he might have the coaching temperment that this team needs to win consistently. Romeo has my vote!

"It's still real to me dammit!"

by Matt in KC on Dec 19, 2011 7:41 AM CST reply actions  

Let's wait on the coronation

until we see the last two games. If this team comes out and lays some steaming turds the tune might change.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

The tune WILL change

This is AP after all

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Dec 19, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

True, but you gotta have a little more optimism now than you did before.

This team finall y looks legit.

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Not "legit" per se

More like “progressing”. This team was set up to get destroyed after their first three trips into the redzone yesterday. Thankfully, the GB WRs had the dropsies big time and they could never get in rhythm.

They looked much, MUCH better yesterday. Let’s be careful not to say they are “legit”.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Obviously scoring tds in the red zone is critical going forward

But getting into the red zone five times, controlling the clock, and setting the tone are all major steps. And against a team like these packers, the way this defense played was nothing short of inspired.

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

No arguments

These things do not make KC “legit” is my point.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

The defense is legit

The offense, in the hands of a competent and savvy qb like Orton is closer than you think

Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.

by Sudden on Dec 19, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

They aren't "legit"

Improving is where I want them to be right now. Improving while losing would likely be best for this team and their development, but I don’t want to get into the whole “You fucker! How do you root for your team to lose?!?!?!?” argument.

Too many holes to be “legit”. They played well yesterday. One game doesn’t crown them for a season.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

OMG! A real fan would never say that!

And uh…PERIOD! and maybe a ’NUFF SAID! for good measure.

There, I’ve met my obligation. Carry on.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

GB receivers got jammed at the line and were covered well.

Rodgers had pressure all day. Damn. Give the D some credit for those “dropsies” Most of those throws were off target (not bouncing off anyone’s chest) and Cassel would be roasted here for the same throws.

"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

by electriclight on Dec 19, 2011 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Did I ever NOT give credit?

Chill the fuck out, man. They played well, but c’mon. How many balls have to hit the hands then the dirt? Hell, Jones had one that never even hit his hands. The defense was good, but with GB hitting on all cylinders, KC gets beat yesterday.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

RAIDERS FAN!

And we’ll throw in a “HATER!” for good measure.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Very true

I think the Red Zone problems will be worked out, especially after Orton gets another couple weeks of practice in.

Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 19, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

dude, not punching it in from the ONE is not an Orton issue ...

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by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

but we should have had more points in the redzone just from the fact that we were stopped on a 4th down play when we should have kicked a FG and should have went for the next one instead of kicking a FG. Thats 7 more points just right there. Again.. we can nit pick all day long, but we got the win and i dont care how we got it..

"It's still real to me dammit!"

by Matt in KC on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I do, actually

the process is important to me. This team finally showed signs of improvement. I’m satisfied with that…for now. I don’t care if they lose, as long as they are playing well and showing growth. We got a lot of both yesterday. Now, they just have to keep this train on the tracks.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The reason for this win was the QB

We got 18 first downs from passing. Gave the defense time to rest and gameplan further. If Orton had chemistry with these receivers this game would have been a rout. DBowe is a beast in the red zone and Orton didn’t even look his way, they’ll build that.

by RamX21 on Dec 19, 2011 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

Yes

The QB…and Muir’s calls looked fairly good once Todd got the fuck out of Dodge.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Honestly I don't think it was all Muir calling a great game

Orton went through progressions on several plays. It was the execution more than play calls

by RamX21 on Dec 19, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Whatever it was

It was better…MUCH better. I think it’s a result of coaching and I think Todd was a dirtbag that was screwing up the process.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it was Haley being a dirtbag

I think he was just trying to do too much. Over-coaching.

When you have talent on your team, sometimes you just have to put the players in a position to make something happen and let the win come from on the field, not from the sidelines.

You don’t always have to have a crazy formation, then motion a guy, re-set him, then motion another – then move him back. all while letting the play clock run down and never giving your QB a chance to read the defense.

Sometimes you see that the coverage is leaving a seam open and a post route will exploit that, get you 15 yards – you move the chains and head on.

If the LB’s are a little sluggish in coverage or passing off too early underneath, send Breaston on a drag route and reap the rewards.

Sometimes you just let the players make plays. And I think some of that got lost with Todd trying to super-strategize.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Then he was the problem

Just like he was super-strategizing in the pre-season…that worked out so well for the team after all.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh I agree, if that's the case then he was definitely the problem.

Had a similar thing w/ my HS basketball team. Had three players who were all conference, and one of those all-region. Coach insisted on a high-movement “flex” style offense first and foremost.

No matter what, run the offense. Look for layups generated by the all-motion (more complicated than it needed to be) offense!

That often came at the expense of just getting the ball into the playmakers’ hands and maybe setting them a screen. It was frustrating.

Finally took the shackles off and we lit people up. Go figure.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

And again - I'm not stating as fact that that's what Haley did, and that he was 100% of the problem

But if (and this is just semi-educated guessing on my part, based on observations) that was the case, then moving on was a wise choice.

Also, having Orton helps.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Orton was HUGE yesterday

No way to discount the importance of an actual QB in the game. Funny how Palko was inactive…obviously Stanzi IS ready. Strange.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Just watching Orton's throwing motion and release back there, it was just so much more fluid and natural looking

Again, I like Cassel. I think he’s a great guy. But his mechanics have always been a little awkward and slow. That’s not a deal breaker, because Rivers has an even more awkward looking throwing motion, but his release is crisp and he just throws a much better ball.

I’m not going to anoint Orton as the next great first ballot HOF QB. But on the eye test, he looks like a much more natural fit for the position of starting QB for an NFL team than anyone we’ve had since TrINT.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on anointing Orton

He has two more chances to screw it up, just like the rest of the team.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Kyle Orton

He is going to be a Great Backup QB

by alexanderdyer on Dec 19, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey if we get in someone who is good enough to beat out Orton

Awesome, we’re even better off.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Legitimately

win the job. No more of this “#7 is the QB cause we paid him a butt-load” crap either.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I can dig that.

What I’d like to see us do is trading or cutting Palko and then drafting a QB. Then we can see what Cassel, Stanzi, Orton, and the kid can do before making a decision at the end of pre-season.

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by jhoward8780 on Dec 19, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d cut Palko and trade #7. Then I’d re-sign Orton and draft a youngster.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I noticed this as well..

Seemed to be the same plays, just executed much better. I’ve never seen Cassel go through his progressions with that kind of poise the way Orton did yesterday. I hate to jump to conclusions, but it’s clear to me that Orton needs to be re-signed and Cassel let go in the offseason.

by m.yashi on Dec 19, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

It is so nice to actual hear "The Chiefs flat out out-played" somebody

I don’t know if I have heard anyone, “expert” or otherwise, that has uttered the usual sentiment of, “The Chiefs didn’t win, the other team just lost it.”

Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 19, 2011 7:56 AM CST reply actions  

Ok I found one person that thinks the Packers lost it

But it was walterfootball, so I don’t know that I necessarily consider him an expert.

Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 19, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Im so nervous that polio will forcefeed cassel to whoever is the next hc and not resign orton, but he also has to want to resign here as well I guess he could always be franchised…

by arrowheadsoldier56 on Dec 19, 2011 8:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

The real dilemma:

What the hell does this team do with Bill Muir? Yesterday’s Offensive game plan, and play calling for the most part, were superb. Better than its been all season. Does Muir stick around, or should the team get a younger talent in there (Sirianni finally? or is he too much of a Haley guy?) as a HC of the future?

by cheapham on Dec 19, 2011 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

I still think we need to can him

You want him dying in the booth or on the field?

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Valid point

No one wants a dead guy in the facilities. It’s bad JuJu.

Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 19, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Max: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.

by GaryfromIA on Dec 19, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I hear what you are saying

but you cant single out Muir as a Haley guy because all of the coordinators were Haley guys until last week. We need a new OC and if Muir is ok with I would like to see him stay with the offensive line.

by Steve_in_RI on Dec 19, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

In a perfect world I'd love to see everything stay in house

Romeo as the HC, a combination of Zorn and Muir running the offense (OC, QB/OL coaches, however you want to tag them) and then Emmitt Thomas or another strong member of the team as the “official” DC but with the knowledge Crennel was still running it.

by xg311 on Dec 19, 2011 8:40 AM CST reply actions  

In house is rarely the best option

It’s kinda like in-breeding. Eventually you end up with retarded kids.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll defer to the site's stat man,

was yesterday’s win accomplished without getting any turnovers?

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

NFL.com says no

Link

2 fumbles in the game, both by GB and neither were turnovers.

0 INT’s in the game for either side.

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by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

the turnovers were even

we turned it over on downs once and so did they

by RamX21 on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

My only compliment to Haley

is that his players were in shape. There was no Club Herm going on with players coming in overweight and lazy. My fear is that a new coach will come in and not demand the same. Anyone know how RAC’s teams were in Cleveland in that sense? I know he had some bad teams but looking at the QB’s he had there would explain a lot of that. We have some talent on this team, I would hate to see them going back to be fat and lazy.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Dec 19, 2011 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

This is how it should be...every game!
“The Chiefs pressed us from the time we got off the bus.”

by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 19, 2011 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

7 penalties for 55 yards

I’d love to see that cleaned up. That’s the stuff that will kill you come playoff time. (Though that’s still a longshot, it’s less long than it seemed two days ago)

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by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:06 AM CST reply actions  

A lot of that happened on Special Teams too.

ST were kinda sloppy there in the middle. We need to work on that. Also we need to figure out the personnel issues so we don’t burn through time outs like we did yesterday.

Proud Bronco and Raider Hater since 1980.

by jhoward8780 on Dec 19, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Kyle Orton

He is going to be a Great Backup QB

by alexanderdyer on Dec 19, 2011 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

Say it twice, all the more nice!

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by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

what????????????????

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

GREAT QUOTE from McClain!

"Nothing against (Palko) or (Cassel), man, just — Kyle is a new beast out there with us," fullback Le’Ron McClain said. "He ran the whole game on the sideline, coming to us on certain plays, telling us in the huddle — boom, boom, ‘Just get open for me right here.’ "

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/18/3327658/orton-impresses-as-chiefs-contemplate.html#ixzz1gzfxZktu

by jcrunninwild on Dec 19, 2011 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, loved seeing that in that article.

Wonder if that’s enough to make Le’Ron want to come back?

I hope so.

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by TRSChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, good thing you gave us all that link ... otherwise non of us would have a clue where to find something like a quote from McClain in a story, huh!

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I like this quote from RAC...

"I really have no way of knowing that," Crennel said. "We’ll see what the next two weeks bring because every week is a different week in the NFL. Then, at the end of it … we’ll let the chips fall where they may."

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/18/3327648/players-credit-crennel-for-focused.html#ixzz1gzfZPCok

That’s coming from a man that knows this business and knows what his focus is; not gaining the HC job, but playing the Raiders next week.

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by jhoward8780 on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

what did you expect him to say? something different?

and thanks for the link to the story … since NJ Chiefs Fan would never DREAM of adding a link to ANYTHING … EVER!

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

sorry if I was a bit over-the-top sarcastic, but you have to realize we're PROFESSIONALS at this

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotta Love It!

“The Kansas City Chiefs outplayed us,” McCarthy said. “We were beaten.”

How long has it been since we’ve had a coach of a good team say something like this. I’ve been a Haley fan and still am, I think the biggest difference was having a real QB running the show. It’s going to be very interesting to see if Orton can duplicate his performance the next couple of weeks. If he does, the decisions coming out of 1 Arrowhead Dr are going to be a lot simpler to make.

by cowboyChief on Dec 19, 2011 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

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