Time for Some Kool-Aid
One game means close to nothing in the grand scheme of things. Anyone can win the lottery. Any given Sunday a team can get lucky. There's no way to determine where things will go based off such limited information.
Who gives a crap? Not THIS guy!
So I'm going to give up any shot at even attempting to hide how biased, ridiculous, and Kool-Aid drunk this post will be. I'm not even gonna try to make a decent write-up that has an overall theme. I have an 8 hour final tomorrow and don't have time for that kinda thing.
Instead, here's some thoughts on what I saw out of the BUOTY (Biggest Upset Of The Year. Duh), combined with thoughts about next year, combined with... you know what, just read the stupid thing. I don't have time for a good intro. I'll just say that, if one wants to get totally hammered on Kool-Aid, relive the warm fuzzies from this game, and dream of what could be if we decide to be as optimistic as possible, THIS is the post to read.
Again, I'm totally aware of how little you can really tell from one game. I just don't care, and will therefore ignore that the rest of this post
-First of all, he's a better quarterback than Matt Cassel. He goes through progressions better, handles pressure better, throws a better ball on short, medium, and long routes... pretty much every aspect of the game that matters. He also does a great job selling play fakes and screens, and does a GREAT job getting the ball to the sideline quickly on WR screens. We've run those WR screens all year and they hardly ever worked. Why? Because if you take even a half second too long to get the ball to the sideline, the defense closes and it's over.
-Second of all, I'm a TAD concerned about our not finishing drives. According to Donkey fans I've spoken to about Orton, this can be a cause of concern. Apparently he has a bad habit of looking much better between the 20's than in the RZ. Although to be fair, he DID get the ball to McClain for what should've been a TD (although it would've been a tough catch). But why am I even talking about this? Back to the Kool-Aid!!!!
-Third of all, now we know that with a competent QB our offense can move the ball. Although there are clearly other things at work here that I'll get into in a moment.
-Fourth, I think I've figured out why Orton gets no love. The guy is just not a cool looking person. You know the stereotypical QB look? Square jaw, muscular looking build, cocky grin flashing? Orton looks more like the nerd who gets wedgies from that guy.
-Last, Orton deserves credit for a heck of a game. Not sold on him being "our" QB, but he couldn't have done much more in his opening statement. Honestly, if he plays like that on a consistent basis, fine. I'm sold. Call me Premature Pete all you want, but like I said, this is Kool-Aid time! Again, if Orton can play like he did today consistently moving forward, sign me up to go O-line in the first. To you, Orton, I say...

On the Play Calling
I'm not going to get into a debate about Todd Haley. I've said it before; I understand the football side of the firing, but did not like the way it went down. That said... I loved our playcalling for most of this game. Here's just a few changes I noticed.
-Le'Ron McClain FINALLY getting some carries. And looking like he should have been this whole season. The man is fast for his size, powerful, and HITS when he gets tackled. Also, he abuses defenders blocking for our other RB's (which IMO earns a fella some touches). He's needed to see carries all season, and it finally happened.
-Great use of screens. You run screens after you've got the defense thinking "pass." We could hardly ever successfully run a standard screen because teams were never scared of our passing game. They were executed very well and for the most part called at perfect times. Same with our WR screens, which I mentioned earlier.
-Only a couple of times did I say "what the crap?" after an offensive play because of the playcalling. That's down from roughly 25 times or so a game. Was Bill Muir wrongly despised all this time? Were we wrong?

On the DEFENSE
-Before I even start on this, allow me to point out that prior to today, the Packers hadn't scored less than 24 points all season. They'd scored over 40 five times. They were considered unstoppable. Let's let that sink in for a glorious moment...
(waiting for it to sink in... waiting...)
-How about Tamba Hali? I've heard he's good or something. I'll say it borrowing a phrase I heard from hmills: If I had to pick a "gladiator" to do battle for my life, and the contest was having two guys chained together in a fight to the death, I'd take Hali over anyone. That guy is ruthless, relentless, unstoppable, a machine sent from the future who ONLY is after your quarterback. That's ALL HE DOES. He'll never stop, no matter how many blockers you send his way. He's the Terminator of pass rushers.
-Gotta give love to my boy Justin Houston as well. No sacks this week, but he was getting in Rodger's mug all day as well, AND sealed the edge a couple of times for nice stops against the run. Hou-STON, we've got ourselves a pass rushing duo that rattled AARON FREAKING RODGERS.
-You and I are picking out defensive players we want playing for us. We're picking ILB's and you get first pick. I don't care if you take Patrick Willis, Ray Lewis, Mayo, or any other fool who isn't named Derrick Johnson. Because if you do, I get Derrick Johnson: THE best ILB in the NFL right now.
-Speaking of killing alligators with shovels, who is starting to love them some Allen Bailey? Dude showed off that speed that comes with his 290 frame, as well as the strength to just brush off the G's feeble attempts at stopping him. He also laid the best hit on Rodgers all game. I could just hear his inner monologue as that play went on...
"I'm faking right and heading left. This dude's way too slow to keep up. Fooled him! Time to get to the QB! What's this foolio guard thinking trying to slow me down? Does this dude not know that I've eaten possum?"
-Dole out some love to our secondary. They weren't perfect (CB's hardly ever are, especially against a QB like Rodgers), but MAN they played well. Not just The Brandon's either. But Arenas, Lewis, and Daniels as well. Anytime you hold an offense like that in check, your secondary played a great game.
-Even our line was getting in on the fun. When the announcers use the phrase, "They just built a wall" multiple times while your D is on the field, the big boys are getting it done.
-Big picture? Our D is ready. We've got some spots that aren't as good as I'd like, sure. But when you watch what we've got RIGHT NOW, we're ready to compete with any offense. Put Eric Berry back on that field, and throw in the fact that Bailey and Houston will have a year of development under their belts next year (not to mention Powe. Don't sleep on him, I'm telling you)... I'm getting goosebumps here. Our defense could be scarier than the Cookie Monster in withdrawal.

(and yes, I TOTALLY made up that ridiculously stupid joke as an excuse to post that picture. I don't know why, but I find it hysterical).
On Our Future in General
Players are already rallying around RAC. Orton just played the best FULL game we've had from a QB all year (yeah, I know, no TD passes, and I know Cassel had 4 against IND. But Cassel was also terrible for 2 full quarters of that game. And I said FULL game :). See with the term manipulation to make my point correct?). Our defense is fired up and ready to compete. Our WR's are BEGGING to be involved more and are performing when getting throws their way.
Oh, did I mention we just beat the best team in the league while missing our two best players, our best TE, with a QB that was coming off an injury and hasn't even been here a month, and a HC who didn't know he'd be HC until Monday?
For today, the Kool-Aid is flowing and our future could be bright. Too much to take from one game? Yeah, it is. And I absolutely don't care, even a little.
I'll be objective when a little more time has passed from our victory over the best team in the NFL. Yanno, the one we'd never, ever, EVER win... right ups? Here's a picture just for my favorite guy here on AP... The words of which show what I think of his ability to predict the outcome to games and win at fantasy football (love ya ups!)

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Who in the name of God body-swapped with Barry Richardson today? Dude was DOMINATING Clay Matthews all day.
That’s like saying, “yeah, Dex totally ran over Ngata on that goal line run.”
It’s just not a sentence I ever thought I’d say.
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Perhaps BRich is a guy that responds more to Romeo's coaching styles
Some people buckle when yelled at. Though that is a stretch to see that turn around in a week.
by Chief Fan NZ on Dec 19, 2011 2:53 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah that was unexpected
As was Lilja completely stopping BJ Raji one-on-one at one point. My jaw nearly dropped to the floor.
Maybe the Packers aren’t as good as everyone makes them out to be, they’re defense wasn’t ever really considered good this year but I didn’t think it was that bad.
If Orton had more time with the WRs we probably would’ve blown them out horribly.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 19, 2011 4:35 AM CST up reply actions
No doubt
There was that one play in particular during the game and the camera was right on Lilja just man-handling Raji. It’s like everyone on the O-line had them a big jug of MNchiefsfan Kool-Aid!
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
Perhaps a QB with a little pocket presence goes a long way towards making your line look a little better.
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Who'da thunk?
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
You may want to consider
that there are two people in that equation. Matthews isn’t immune to having a bad day or coming in over confident or just mailing it in. In the grand scheme of things, we’ve seen enough of BRich to feel pretty confident in one thing: He needs to go.
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Very true
Although it’s fascinating how well the line played with a serviceable QB who gets throws out on time and recognizes blitzes.
How much worse did Cassel/Palko make our line look? I’m VERY curious to see what happens the next two weeks.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
One thing I've noticed that is missing in the RedZone is the fade to Bowe
Not sure if this is because it is a timing route etc, and Palko is terrible and Orton needs more practice, but this used to be our bread and butter. Chuck it up there and let Bowe or Baldwin out jump the defenders to the football. Surely couldn’t hurt.
And with those one-on-one jump ball matchups on the outside
you can open up some shovel passes in the middle. The Eagles do it all the time. Denver has even taken to it. I think it’d be a great fit for Dexter.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
The NFL seems to have fallen in love
with the back shoulder throw. It seems like many teams are using the corner fade less this year. I have no idea why we wouldn’t want to throw fades to Bowe/Baldwin. It’s a matchup they’re born to win.
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Yeah Baldwin would have had a TD if Orton would have threw it high and in front
Instead of a back shoulder
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 19, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
No excuse, but I do wonder if the wind had anything to do with that.
It was quite gusty and if you couple it with rusty timing it could have been a double whammy. I can’t remember what quarter that was though and what direction the wind would have been cutting. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
I think the deep pass to Baldwin (that he should have caught) was impacted by the wind as well. When they showed the field cam with the Maddenesque view of the play, it looked like Baldwin had to bend his route straight deep instead of continuing across because of the pass. I think it was just a tough pass to judge and it threw him off. That being said, it still hit him on the damn hands and he should have hauled that in.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's a bit harsh on Baldwin
He had it in his hands but the defender made a great play and knocked it out, it would have been pretty spectacular to catch that
by Chief Fan NZ on Dec 19, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I may have missed the defender's play on it
I thought it just hit him in the palms and he couldn’t scoop it up – so yeah that was probably a bit harsh. I do still think the wind played with that pass and caused the difficulty to shoot up a few notches.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 19, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
When I saw the replay
It looked like the defender knocked it out.
That was a heck of a throw against great coverage though, putting it only where the WR could get it.
I’m VERY interested what Orton looks like with another week of full practice with our receivers.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's the one play Cassel is money with
With Bowe & Baldwin on this team it should be pretty much non-defend-able. Zorn needs to get to work on this..
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I've got it!
Keep Orton to move the chains between the 20’s
Plug in Cassel inside the red zone!
We’re golden!
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IMO Cassel was never money with that play
He was just tossing to one of the NFL’s most physical WR’s.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I believe next week will be the true test for RAC as a HC
Can’t see another meltdown after an emotional win at home like the Dolphins game
meltdown, no ... letdoen or "comedown" from an emotional high is possible ... it's by no means a "gimme"
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We just need to see the same effort for the next two weeks
If RAC proves he can keep these guys playing good football…win or lose….I’ll be fine with him being our HC. If we go right back to looking flat and uncompetitive next week, then we’re really just the same as we were with Haley.
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*nod* this will be the true issue ...
not just one week, but the next two weeks as well (my guess, just a guess, is that IF the team responds well and plays hard, even if we lose a game, that Crennel is HC next year … we shall see)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Exactly
It’ll also be interesting to see how the defense in particular performs if the offense again can move the ball.
HAS the defense been that seriously crippled by an offense that couldn’t stay on the field?
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Orton and Red Zone
at least we got to the RZ unlike Palko and 75% of Cassel’s drives. It was also his first game in a while and with a new team. He still has a finger issue. I don’t think he will have a problem if he gets more time. Denver fans can complain all they want but Orton has the best WR group he has ever worked with. He will only get better as time moves forward.
by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 19, 2011 2:18 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
He was very, very good under ANY circumstances. Given the circumstances, he was exceptional.
I’m interested to see whether or not the coaches say, “all right, we’ve got something here” and start going shotgun 3 receiver sets more often.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
These realy jumped out
He also does a great job selling play fakes and screens, and does a GREAT job getting the ball to the sideline quickly on WR screens
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Besides finding the open guy quickly, Orton showed us what a quality QB performance can mean to the Chiefs.
Keep in mind that Orton does not have super career numbers:
79 career QB Rating.
58% career completion percentage.
6.6 career yardage /pass play.
He may have more tools here in KC than he had in Chicago where he was required to hand off to Forte 1st and foremost. In Denver they were down a bit in O-Line, WR’s and RBs. TE has been spotty in Denver with Gates hurt and less effective than in the past.
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When he was in CHI it was TJ and Benson...
But yes, one can look at his career and see potential reasons for mediocrity. The real question is: are those legitimate reasons or hollow excuses?
Hopefully the next two weeks answer that for us.
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Orton's performance does take the sting out of losing ground in race for top prospects.
It may quiet the talk of a top three QB and shift talk to a Top tier LT and that may cool to Top tier CB or Top tier OG or NT or even god forbid a RB.
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If Orton plays that well in the next two games
I’m all for going O-line, D-line, or perhaps even ILB in the first.
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Don't be so quick to settle for mediocre QB play
it’s what got us into this mess in the first place
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He's most likely the best option available
Give him a better OL & he can be pseudo Trent Green for a while.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I could live with that
even if he were only a Trent Yellow, it would be far preferable to Cassel
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Dec 19, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny stuff!!
You Play to Win the game!!!
by Wichita Chief on Dec 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Good one ups :-D
Trent Yellow
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Dec 19, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Hence...
If Orton plays that well in the next two games
What we saw Sunday wasn’t even close to mediocre.
If he can provide that week in and week out we’re fine at QB.
Not saying it’s a sure thing, but it WOULD make me more than comfortable rolling with him, especially if we’re in a spot where we can’t get RG3 or Barkley.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel's
And it’s not close.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
IMO they are both bridges, and I like Orton’s much better. Even if it was just one game.
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Exactly what I've been thinking '85 - this is the best overall group of WR's Orton's ever had...
and I’m looking forward to what he can do with some ‘chemistry-building’ time with them and more familiarity with the playbook.
While I’ve been hearing that the general consensus is that Orton’s just a tad better than Cassel, he looked a lot better yesterday…reading the defense (new for us to see); doing check-downs (again, new for us..); spreading the ball around (yup, new); pocket presence (wow, another new); zip on the ball (new); decent level of accuracy on short, medium and long passes (gee, new); calm under pressure (um, yeah, new); making the line look good (did I just type that??).
I liked it…liked it a LOT.
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by WorL4Chiefs on Dec 19, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent. New is a good thing for a city starving for some real QB play
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel, Orton just showed us how 3 weeks of practice is enough to beat world champions. Yeah, Matt again has been proven to be a backup QB. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
I LOVED the fact that we saw today what our defense can do if they get some rest
yeah Orton didn’t punch it in, but he let the defense rest while he produced LONG sustained drives. Our D has the potential to be like “Hey offense, just put up 14 points and leave the rest to us. Hell Yeah!”
BOOM!
And our offense kills our D with the short fields
We’ve given up the most TDs on drives under 50 yards in the league or something
by Chief Fan NZ on Dec 19, 2011 2:23 AM CST up reply actions
It was incredible what a difference it seemed to make
TBH, I’ve felt like our D has been legit for weeks and weeks, even in games where they gave up points line NE and NYJ. It just seemed like after 2 or 3 consecutive stops, they’d lose momentum when our offense would go 3 and out or turn it over.
The menal aspect of the game cannot be underestimated. If you think you HAVE to win the game on defense, it’ll lead to pressing and mistakes. Also, if you believe that no matter what you do on D the offense won’t allow you to win, it’ll lead to giving up more quickly.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Could not have agreed more! TOP on our offense was key to our DEF success
and BTW, awesome post! MNChiefs
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel, Orton just showed us how 3 weeks of practice is enough to beat world champions. Yeah, Matt again has been proven to be a backup QB. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 19, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
Always more fun to write after a win
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Mcclain was balling like he was running barefoot through Nokatomi Towers
Haley tried to shoot him down like Janz Gruber, but he kept crawling through those air ducts and finally tossed the adversity out the 50th story window.
Pay Mcclain and Orton (Zeus! "he didn’t say jesus, he said ’ hey Zeus!’. My name is Zeus) and hope none of them turn into Live Free or Die Hard
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 19, 2011 3:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions 7 recs
Greatest Christmas movie ever.
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“Uh, it’s set at Christmas? ‘Now I have a machine gun, ho ho ho.’ When Willis kills Alan Rickman he uses gift wrapping tape to stick the gun to his back. They even play Let It Snow (the Deano version) over the end credits.”
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by Rev. Slappy on Dec 19, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Wrong, Batman!
that version is by Vaughn Monroe …
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by CatChief on Dec 19, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. Because I love everything about this comment.
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
greened!
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Stop making comments better than my posts
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Complete game by a QB
Thought that was one of your best points. Cassel has rarely put in a complete game where he was solid throughout.
I am starting to think that one of Haley’s biggest problems was playing the best players. LJ over JC, Thomas over any other RB, Palko over Stanzi and Orton. He has a (short) history of not getting the best player on the field. And I know that DJ blossomed under Haley (or is that more RAC) but maybe we missed out by not having DJ starting during Haley’s first year.
Time to face the brutal facts.
To Be Fair
TJ had a pretty good game yesterday. I was miffed when I saw that he started but the dude looked like the TJ of old. I always thought it was Haley who insisted on playing TJ but maybe it’s Muir.
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
Thomas Jones
Had a great game I thought. I wonder if it was because of the ridiculous blocking, the play action, or because of the passing threat but he was making some really nice runs. I was pleasantly surprised.
by Knightwolfbr on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
3.2 ypc? Yes it is better than his average lately. But.......
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I thought he looked a bit spry the last few games
He had some big runs that got destroyed by penalties, he’s been robbed of a lot this season by poor discipline from teammates. We didn’t shoot ourselves in the foot that often this game. He only had one reception, but it was for 27 yards and could have been a TD with a little better blocking up front. It was still an explosive play. Thomas still hits the hole hard. The problem is that there often isn’t a hole. Those of you with NFLN, watch the short-cut replay this week, it’s on tomorrow I think. When he has a hole he still has some speed and agility and a good dose of strength. I think Orton’s excellent play-action actually opened the run a bit – and they had to play the pass and couldn’t play too aggressive from a lead (since they almost never had one).
He won’t be back next year so I hope he can finish strong and make a case to continue to play. He’d be a helluva #2 for many teams, he still has value. I want him to go out with a bang.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 19, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
My biggest issue with TJ is that when he gets hit, he's stopped dead in his tracks.
He never seems to get an extra yard or two, whether with power or agility. He’s hit and stopped instantly.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
TJ was a great back until last year.
He does not have good ability to cut back or bounce outside anymore. He is now a one cut and go runner. If the hole isn’t there he is stopped dead.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Is Orton a great QB.
No. But what this shows us is that with half way decent QB play this offense can be pretty solid.
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Now wait til JC and Moeaki come back
“Oh hey running game. lets mess these mofo’s up”
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 6:18 AM CST up reply actions
to be fair
We DID have 139 yards on the ground, which is respectable. And the rushing game iced it when it mattered.
But yeah, it’s tough not to imagine a blowout had JC and Moeaki been out there.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
True story
And if we do that we have to take into account the what-should-have-been-a-safety-no-call-hold on Tamba, and McClain’s drop in the end zone, and GB’s line being injured, and…
My head hurts :)
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
And two catchable balls thrown to Baldwin.
Through my rose colored glasses I saw that our D was getting enough pressur on Rogers to throw off timing just enough to make the difference between easy completions and tough receptions.
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The one deep ball to Baldwin
Was an exceptional play by the DB to swat it away.
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True , but the point was it did hit his hands (at one point).
It will be interesteing to see if Orton can get on same page as Baldwin (or other WRs) and get down the techniques and timing of back shoulder passes.
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Hopefully he does
And also hopefully they incorporate more jump ball stuff, which is what Bowe and Baldwin are best suited for.
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Yeh, and I would trust Orton more than Cassel to deliver the ball.
Timing and familiarity.
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Agreed
Imagine what a top QB could do
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 19, 2011 6:33 AM CST up reply actions
Or...
Imagine what a a top OT could do for the run game, time in the pocket. I feel like the risk/reward of reaching or moving up for a top QB means that other pressing needs don’t get filled. Build depth on both lines, deepen the secondary, get another TE. If a top QB prospect falls to us in the first round, by all means pull the trigger. If not, we have two solid (not spectacular) QB’s in Orton and Cassel.
BTW—nice post, MN. I kept repeating to my boys last night—we beat the Packers!!
I wasn't really saying a top QB draft pick
Meant a top QB, one of the very good to elite QBs. I really do not think we will get an OT in the first who could beat Albert at LT, then there is Sanders/Datko/Wagner who could be had in the 2nd-3rd for G/RT prospects.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 19, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
So then
Who do you take in the first rd? It seems logical to me to draft an OT to either push Albert at LT, or to fill in at RT (though I agree that a RT is 2nd or 3rd rd pick). I see Albert, Asamoah, and Hudson as starters, with space at G and T. I am not confident that Albert is the franchise LT, but I also know that he is improving and moving guys around isn’t a sure thing. There is also FA to pick up a quality G in the offseason. Spend some of that cap $ and get it done, Scotty.
If we lose Carr I would look heavy at CB in the first, there is good talent there.
Otherwise OT might be the best option, if Luck/RGIII/Barkley are all off the board. I would not be opposed to DeCastro in the first. We will likely be in a bad spot, the top 3 OTs are gone/didn’t come out, QBs are gone, no real need for a WR/CB in the first if we keep Bowe/Carr(I’m still not sure we would go WR if we lose Bowe), no NT’s worthy of a first
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 19, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Trade down?
Then it makes sense to trade down and get an additional pick or two for the draft. The Chiefs have done pretty well in the top 4 rds in the last several drafts, and if we can parley one first round pick into a 1st and a 2nd, I’m all for it.
Howz about Devon Still?
For a bone-crunching, 2-gap RDE, as a bookend with T-Jax?
Personally, I see Alligator Hunter as a pass-rushing penetrator. So … if Romeo is willing to adapt some with the times, and use Bailey as our RDE 1-gap shooter, then I’d be happy as a teenage virgin in Paradise with 72 French whores. I think this bruh’s forte could be blowing up the backfield against the run AND the QB, IMO. Our Justin Smith, if you will. Otherwise, I just see him as a role-player you could line-up anywhere along the line in our nickel-sets to pass-rush. I think it’d be a waste of his talents to be stuck being a 2-gap block-eater. (shrug)
But yeah … I, as well, have thought about Pioli going CB in the 1st if Carr walks. Pioli/Hoodie like DB’s, and/or DL’men in the first two rounds, it seems. Or TE’s, WR’s and RB’s.
Chiefs/Piloi’s Drafts: From 2009-2011.
2011:
1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Pittsburgh
2 55 Rodney Hudson C Florida State
2010:
1 5 Eric Berry SS Tennessee
2 36 Dexter McCluster WR Mississippi
2 50 Javier Arenas DB Alabama
2009 (top 2 picks):
1 3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State
3 67 Alex Magee DT Purdue
Pat Drafts: 1st and 2nd rd. from 2000-2011.
2011:
1 17 Nate Solder T Colorado
2 33 Ras-I Dowling DB Virginia
2 56 Shane Vereen RB California
2010:
1 27 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
2 42 Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona
2 53 Jermaine Cunningham OLB Florida
2 62 Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
2009:
2 34 Pat Chung DB Oregon
2 40 Ron Brace DT Boston College
2 41 Darius Butler DB Connecticut
2 58 Sebastian Vollmer T Houston
2008:
1 10 Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
2 62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado
2007 (top two picks):
1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.)
2006:
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
2005 (top 3 picks):
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
2004:
1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (Fla.)
1 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
2003:
1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
2 36 Eugene Wilson FS Illinois
2 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
2002:
1 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado
2 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville
2001:
1 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2 48 Matt Light T Purdue
2000:
2 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
3 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner. You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really *don't* want me to go down there!
by LocoLoboChico on Dec 20, 2011 4:28 AM CST up reply actions
But, since I think ...
Pioli won’t trade for RG3 nor Barkley, I hope he trades back as far as possible in the 1st (or even into the 2nd) and gets as many extra draft picks as possible. We won’t get the top two LT prospects. Nor the top three QB prospects. I don’t think any CB prospect is really worth a top 16ish pick after the top two are grabbed earlier … not really, really? I still like Donta Hightower, and he could go in the 1st, maybe – if some team really, really wants a SILB, or MLB; and especially now with Te’o going back to ND.
I like Josh Chapman for NT, as I think he’s the most polished and NFL-ready NT prospect. But I think he could be grabbed earlier than one might think by a team really needing/wanting a NT. I really, really don’t want to see Kelly Gregg out there again next year. But I don’t have much hope for Powe amounting to much if he can’t beat out sucky ass Kelley Gregg by now – unless he’s just not being given a chance either ; cause Romeo loves his vet D players, as well. Plus, with Pioli’s/Crennel’s focus on “versatility,” and being in nickel sets so much, I don’t think they’ll keep 2 pure NT’s, unlike most other 3-4 teams do; they’ll just roll with Gordon as the NT plug-in in case of injury.
I don’t know? Heh, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Pioli grab Dwayne Allen, or even a RB in the 1st or 2nd rd. Personally, after reading how badly he wanted Jason Kelce in the 6th, I think he might draft a true Center this year, and they’ll roll with Hudson at LG someday? They seem to be pretty much in love with B-Rich, Maneri and Mims for RT depth/possible comp next season. So I wonder if they’ll draft a latter rd. (3rd or later) OT/OG for even more comp between all of them … like Datko, Sanders, or that guy from Wisconsin; they want VERSATILITY along the O-line, too.
OTOH. If they let Bowe go one way or another, it wouldn’t surprise me if he went with another WR in the 1st or 2nd for his replacement? But I still think Pioli would be more likely to grab another TE his receiving replacement, if they do trade Bowe, or let him walk. But a CB somewhere in the first three rounds wouldn’t suprise me. I just hope he’s done stockpiling OLB’er prospects for at least this draft anyway. I think Houston, Sheff, Stud, and Miller (if makes it back from whatever injury he had this preseason) is quite enough or now.
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner. You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really *don't* want me to go down there!
by LocoLoboChico on Dec 20, 2011 5:14 AM CST up reply actions
Is there C prospect that's considered ready to start this year?
Because I wouldn’t hate that. Hudson looks ready to go at G.
I also wouldn’t hate getting DeCastro. Everything I’ve read about the kid indicates that he’d be a MAJOR upgrade on our interior, which would allow us to actually run up the middle…
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Yeah, and consider that....
DeCastro (Stan) at OG is rated higher than the very good (Stan) OT Martin.
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by KCporkchop on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
nice!
good to seeya, Bro … and thanks for coming over for this “KC Masterpiece” … helluva post, helluva GAME!
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Straight from the Master!
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all in
That was some sweet Kool-Aid! And it makes for a much better Monday than I’ve had in, well, two weeks, since we beat the Bears at Soldier Field.
Now, Orton has another week of practice with his receivers. A few more days to let that finger get stronger. A few more days for Zorn (I’m not convinced he’s not calling plays. There were a lot of shots of him looking at that playsheet and talking into the headset.) and Muir to give Orton a few more tricks of the playbook.
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
I noticed that with Zorn as well
Something to watch. While our playcalling wasn’t RADICALLY different, it was significantly better.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
How about at least four different good screen plays to RB plus a couple to WR.
RBs Jones, McClain, Dex and Battle wre all used successfully. A fifth attempt (to McClain) was blown up and maybe should have been thrown in the dirt.
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Those screens were wonderfully executed and called at great times
I personally am of the belief that Bowe should get at least 2 WR screens a game. there isn’t a WR in the league harder to bring down. Hopefully we see more of that.
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Well written, MN
I’ve been grinning ear to ear like an idiot since the game ended yesterday. Well, really since the offense didn’t look impotent and foolish with Orton pretty early on, and we went into the half with a lead.
This article just rekindled the idiot-grin. So if I’m carted off from my job and tucked away in a padded cell today, I’m throwing some of the blame your way.
Orton definitely looks miles better than Cassel back there. More compact throwing motion and much better looking release. He looked like, well, an actual QB.
Now I’m torn – do we still try to go early QB in the draft if Orton re-signs? Or do we keep Orton / stanzi / 3rd+ round project QB and draft some beef early?
Give the guy a little time to throw along with this – yes I’m going to say it – outstanding WR corps, and a real honest-to-goodness NFL quality offense is representing our Chiefs.
I’m trying not to be drunk on kool-aid too much, as it’s not my m.o. to overreact toward the positive or the negative. But I’ve tasted blood and I want more. What we saw yesterday is probably not even the full potential of what this team is capable of if we can just get things smoothed out a bit. (I’m looking at YOU, red zone conversions)
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Keep Cassel
Any NFL team worth their salt has two serviceable QB’s. Just ask Chicago. Caleb Hanie is killing them. We have Cassel for another year on his contract yet, anyway.
Hence the keep Orton
and draft RG3. There are two serviceable QBs right there. #7 might have trade value. Not sure that Orton does.
RG3 is unknown
as an NFL commodity. Granted, if we move up to take him, then we are throwing a lot of resources into potential. An elite NFL QB is the hardest position to predict, and the guy with all the skills may end up being a bust. I agree, though, if we do go after RG3, then you let Cassel or Orton go. Pretty close to interchangeable.
Picking up Orton and releasing him would give us a compensatory pick in 2013, but those tend to be later rounds.
^ this..
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
YEP! YEP! SC.
The time to get RG-3, or Barkley, is NOW! Along with Luck, RG-3 and Barkley are the only guys with the potential to become excellent to ELITE for the next two 2 plus drafts.
I don’t see Landry Jones (if he goes back to Okie and declares in 2013; like he should cuz he ain’t ready for prime-time yet!), Tyler Wilson (some things to work on still; and need another big year to prove he deserves to go high in the 1st in 2013), Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, E.J.Manuel, Geno Smith, Casey Pachall and Logan Thomas being anywhere near what Luck, RG-3 and Barkley could become. Those guys will be more your average possible 1st and 2nd rd. QB’s for 2013 and 2014 – i.e.; comparable to Ponder, Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Kaepernick, Dalton, ect., in my no-nuthin opinion. Its either RG-3 or Barkley NOW! Prince Clark and Don Pioli can PUT UP … or SHUT UP this draft.
Oh holy North Star, I want them to trade Cassel for that border collie with the monkey that rides on his back, if nothing else (but seriuously, we need the extra picks we might-could get for Matty Nice – and hopefully Dorsey too; but I want Cassel and Calabaloo GONE!
Yep! Make Orton an offer he can’t refuse with a heavily front-loaded, or with muy guaranteed money, 2-year contract. Because, quit frankly, given our horrid O-line play this season – our hopefully new LG, Hudson, and hopefully new RT (at the least) will still need time to develop, and/or gel (whether they be draft picks, FA’s, or a combo thereof ). I don’t want to throw neither RG-3 nor Barkley into the fire – only to be busted to pieces in their first season cuz we still have suckass OL. It’ll take at least a season to improve the OL play to my satisfaction before throwing either one of them into the fire in 2013; they gotta stay healthy to succeed.
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner. You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really *don't* want me to go down there!
by LocoLoboChico on Dec 20, 2011 6:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I went to GB's site
And while some fans there were complaining about Pope’s fumble, many on there replied by basically saying, “we’re lucky that wasn’t a total blowout.”
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Pack fans are awesome and respectful ... gotta give 'em props, and you did :-)
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Not a Fluke
The best part of yesterday’s victory is that it did not include any spectacular cirtcus catches. ahil mary’s, special teams or defensive scoring, or any freakish plays. No turnovers even!
While the sports analysts kept pointing out GB’s injury situation they never mentioned KC’s injury list. The other thing about injuries is that they should not be held against the team who inflicts the damage with cflean play, i.e. the Chicago game where DJ takes out their RB with spectacular, aggressive, clean football.
As a fan I was left with the feeling KC could hang with GB in a five game series.
"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
I was too
Although that feeling is probably wrong.
But both teams fully healthy? I think Berry, JC, and Dex are more important to us than Jennings and their linemen are to them. Their starting linemen were pretty bad regardless…
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
There were some ugly ones for sure
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
The one that just flew threw Jones' hands
didn’t even touch them…how does that happen? If a KC fan can ask that…it’s bad.
I agree
Rodgers had to have been upset.
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GB had a starting OT miss the game, A OG has hurt going into the game and they lost two O-Lineman during the game.
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Even with that
there were MULTIPLE opportunities for the WRs to make plays and they failed. This was a huge help for the D in getting Rodgers and Co off the field.
Indeed, feel terrible for the fella with the broken leg.
When I saw the slow-mo replay after it happened I knew it was broken and I cringed like I do when I see Joe Thiesman get tweaked by LT. A few moments later they said he was in an air-cast and that confirmed it 100%.
Horrible injury – I hope he gets on the mend quickly and has a full recovery.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 19, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly, No game turning turnovers. That point crossed my mind when I reviwed stats.
KC earned victory the hard way. Lead in Passing, Rushing, Total yardage. 4 sacks to none. Lead in 1st downs and ToP 36:11 to 23:49.
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Is Orton of this year better
Than Trent Dilfer of the Ravens that won the super bowl? I personally think KC should resign him. He does things that Cassel can not, he’s more fun to watch. Trade Cassel for draft picks. Start Orton back up Stanzi. Use picks to draft other positions.
by DizzyKC on Dec 19, 2011 8:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
OH YEEAHHHHHH!!!
Kool-aid man’s here… bringing quenching refreshment to all you thirsty Chiefs fans. I think we saw two pieces of the puzzle yesterday. Orton and RAC. Let’s make it two in a row and put some coal in the raiders stocking. They’re used to coal… it’s the same as their cold black hearts.
that's it, I'm gettin'me a new attorney (for my soon to be expected lawsuit against our own beloved Idiot, more on that later, maybe)
I was with ta, Min. all the way with ya, all they thru … feelin’ GOOD and even thinkin’ Koolaid thoughts, and then you did it, MN … you blew it, you lost me with that LAST dig … I mean really! is it MY fault that I ended up with Sam Bradford and EVERYONE on the Rams got hurt? I mean DUDE! I did take Tamba Hali, for all the good it did me …
sheeeeeeeeeesh, some people!
back to the post … Orton! omg, he looked like a REAL QB, in Chiefs red, too! haven’t seen one of those since … since … ahhhh Trent, I miss the old days, the Greatest Show on Turf II days … we moved the ball, controlled the clock (ok, so we didn’t score actual, you know … TD’s or whatever they are, but still!) … WE controlled the tempo of the game, most importantly OUR lines were better than THEIR lines (neener neener!) and I think we agree that it all starts on the front lines (and if we DON’T agree, well you’re wrong and that’s all there is to it)
the TEAM looked ALIVE … from the get go (btw, Satch, I just noticed you got bounced from the playoffs … my sympathies! MN, just noticed you also got bounced from the playoffs … HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! serves you right, make fun of ME, willya!) … it was like Opening Day (wait, that’s baseball and these are NOT the Royals, thank goodness!) but whatever, y’all get the point … this team played with fire, intensity, focus and other words that mean the same thing
FEEL GOOD! oh HELL yeah! BOOYAH! but come on, man … seriously, MN, don’t tell me YOU expected a win today … you’re right, I sure didn’t, but let’s face it, how many people did? not just “ok I got dibs on KC” but really, truly, deep down in their heart of hearts expected a win?
right then … Koolaid for everyone, it’s Raiders Week!
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I'm still getting over losing Britt early in the season
The first couple games him and Rodgers were matching other guys’ TOTALS for me
sigh…
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that was the ONE drawback of our D playing lights out
Is that my star FF QB let me down.
Oh well. I’ll take it :)
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Good post and thanks for taking time out of your schedule to share your thoughts
I wish you had more time for a longer write-up. I’d like to read your thoughts on how the receivers suddenly seemed to be open yesterday. It’s always been one of my pet peeves that so many people on this site defend bad QB play by claiming the receivers aren’t getting open. I mostly just ignore it and assume that those folks don’t get to attend games.
You can see so much more of what is happening in the secondary when you’re in the stadium. It gives you a completely different perspective. (This paradigm is also on display any time a person bags on Flowers or claims Carr is the better CB. But, I digress)
Despite all of Orton’s flaws, he’s always been good at finding the open guy. In this game, we got a nice reminder that sometimes a QB can throw a WR open. That sometimes our guys are open and all we need is to get the ball to them in a timely manner. Bill Muir did not suddenly have a play design epiphany and Leonard Pope did not suddenly learn how to run a route. The opportunities have always been there. Yesterday we finally managed to take advantage.
Rec.
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by KC_Satchmo on Dec 19, 2011 9:08 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I'm taking a quick break from my exam so I'll address that receiver issue
I, like you, was STUNNED by the number of times it seemed like Orton was hitting guys who were open. Even when Cassel or Palko completed passes, it seemd as though defenders were always right next to them.
It was, quite frankly, like watching what I’ve gotten used to seeing OTHER teams do. And it’s bugged me for years.
It’ll take the rest of the season to have any kind of real idea (fortunately, we play a very legit DEN defense to close out that should tell us something), but it’s tough to not wonder if QB wasn’t 90% of our problem on offense at this point.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
but it’s tough to not wonder if QB wasn’t 90% of our problem on offense at this point.
Nothing to wonder about. It has been the majority of the problem. I just hope we don’t fall for the trap of thinking that since we found a QB who is a little bit better than the last guy it’s time to stop looking.
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He looked more than a little bit better than Cassel yesterday
I’m not saying he’s the final answer, but yesterday at least, he looked like he could be.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I agree
However, he didn’t look “a little bit better” out there.
He keeps it up for 3 full games, what are we supposed to think?
It’s a tough call, especially if we win out and aren’t in a position to draft a QB with trading multiple firsts.
All this makes me even more ticked off that Haley did not get Orton in there sooner, and called a flea flicker (a play that’s notoriously slow to develop and exposes the QB to a bigger chance of getting hit) for his first play in. Also, I believe Orton could have gone against the NYJ (but that’s purely speculative)
Regardless, the result is that we get a sample size JUST big enough to draw a few conclusions but really too small to know anything for sure.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
You can see so much more of what is happening in the secondary when you’re in the stadium. It gives you a completely different perspective.
Very true. Last season my roommate went to a game with us early on in the year. I’d tried to explain how Cassel has trouble finding the open man nearly every play and that so often Charles would be running down the sideline, no defender nearby, but the pass would be thrown into triple coverage while he’d blame the receivers for not getting open. About a quarter into the game he told me you really can’t get a picture of how bad Cassel is if you don’t see it at the stadium because the camera only follows the ball. Hadn’t really thought if it that way until then, but it mad a lot of sense.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I've seen many people have that exact same eye opening monent
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
Yet somehow it wasn't appearant in the film room huh?
Dealing with Cassel must have been a lot like working with the incompetent boss’s son at work.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Didn't you say that those who go to the game live
Can see firsthand why Flowers is the CB we signed long term over Carr?
Could you go into that a little bit for a poor soul who does believe Flowers is superior but has never gotten to see the game live?
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Nice post MN
Even with the lack of ninja reference, wait, did I miss it. Agreed on the defense, we’re much better than some of those blow out games show on D. Ball control, sustained drives, keep our offense on the field and some great things happen.
"If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you got."
Yogi Berra
don't you know? the Ninja was hidden in plain sight all along ... MN was wearing this shirt while he typed out the post ... DUH!

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Honestly, I ran out of funny ninja pics
That or I just can’t see them.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Impossible to run out of ninja pics
You just can’t always clearly see them, because they’re ninja.
For instance, here’s a pic of Ron and Nancy Reagan with Frank Sinatra and a ninja:
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Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
Ha! Nice
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We need Detroit & Buffalo to return the favor we did for them early
If the team gives anything close to this effort over the next two weeks we can win out (I still think Denver is a mirage), but I’m worried about Buffalo not showing up vs Denver this weekend.
Oh yeah, if we win the division we’re going to the AFC Championship game. How’s that for some Kool Aid?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I would find a division championship this year infinitely more impressive than last year
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think I saw any of those "doomed from the start sprint draws" to McCluster yesterday...
That’s a good thing. This offense had become so predicable that I felt I knew the play before they snapped the ball for most of the season. And if I know, then so does the defense…
There were two of them
One of them was called at a good time and he gained 5 yards. The other he got swamped.
But honestly, that’s a play the has HUGE potential IF your offense is moving the ball well in the passing game. It may pay dividends next week after OAK spends a week actually having to game plan for a decent QB.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, there was one to Jones actually.
Didn’t really like the call at the time on that one. I know of at least one to Dex (i think your aforementioned 5 yarder) that I thought was a good use of the call.
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I liked the call to Dex as well
And I can see the idea behind the one to TJ. Defense not expecting it when he’s in the backfield and all that… but regardless, he’s just not the type of back that can run that play.
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I am and have been sold on Orton
Its Romeo I am not sure yet. He didnt do the best job while in Cleveland, but neither did Bill Belichick and look what hes done after. I would love to have Jeff Fisher as HC and Romeo as DC, not sure it is possible though.
I'm leaning more towards Romeo as HC and GM ...
have I mentioned that I’m not too high on Scott Pioli? :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just HC and GM?
Not going for the Trifecta and be the owner as well? ; )
by TheScreenName on Dec 19, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
ok, you twisted my arm :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I've done a little reading on his time in CLE
And a surprising opinion among many sportswriters is that he did a generally respectable job.
Hopefully we see enough over these last few games to be able to draw some kind of conclusion
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 19, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
When they say generally respectable job, they clearly arent speaking about his record
so I would be curious as to what they mean. Then again, it was in Cleveland and thats a hard team to make look good. Honestly though, I would be ok with Romeo or Jeff fisher being HC. Way more OK with it then I was when Haley was first hired as our HC ( though I grew to like Haley, and now slowly starting to hate him again).
by TheScreenName on Dec 19, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's what they mean, that CLE is a hard team to make look good
He DID have the one winning record in like the last two decades…
But yeah, the overall record is tough to ignore.
The only fear I have of getting someone other than RAC is that he probably wouldn’t want to go back to DC after being snubbed. And our D is starting to look like something with serious “special” potential, especially when Berry gets back.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Great post MN, REC

I’ll add a little ninja flair for you
by Chiefsfanindonkeyland on Dec 19, 2011 11:06 AM CST reply actions
nice ... a REAL Ninja Turtle
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
who are YOU?
hmmmmmmm … name almost looks VAGUELY familiar, but … hmmmmmmmmm!
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
And this is the first week this year that I'm drooling to read your analysis BJ!
Just to relive this kool-aid makin game!
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Dec 19, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
MNchiefsfan is still swigging the koolaid....but.....
he forgot to wear his rose colored glasses. Not one mention in post that the Chiefs are still in the playoff hunt. If we win next week and Denver loses in Buffalo the season will go down to the last week……….. Stranger things have happened.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I think Denver will lose at Buffalo
I’m more concerned about San Diego at this point. It’s too bad they were able to somehow grab that franchise LT off waivers….
(on a side note, how ironic would it be if we go into Denver and knock them out of the playoffs with the QB that they gave us on waivers?)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Yeah, And then Bolts go on and win because we gave them an OT.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
TRUE story, my bad
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
MNF thread???
the expat formally known as Chiefsinchina
by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 19, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions
It's beginning to look a lot like Chiefsmas...
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 19, 2011 9:05 PM CST reply actions
Thanks for the humor
Remember how it all started…

and you can never get enough of…
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 19, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd MN! I'm giddy & drunk on the Kool-aid today! :-)
In my mind, from my perspective, that’s impressive. Considering the career year Roger’s is having, this is an exceptional stat to think about and take pride in. Our D held against one of the most elite QB’s of the year. That, to me, is extraordinary
Oh, yeah! I’m in love with our D…we all talked before the season about the scary good potential with the added pieces this D could be…I’m amazed with their play without Berry…and drooling for next year (as long as Piscatelli is gone).
Thanks for another great read! (not bad for a late night spin)
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
Thanks
I was watching highlights of Berry from last year… MAN I miss that guy.
Knowing him, though, he’s spent this time killing it in rehab while studying up on the finer points of the game. Could come back better than ever.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 20, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
I know. It is scary thinking about him coming back.
Especially wiih Lewis playing as well as he is now.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
Great Post MN.
We have been agreeing to disagree here lately, but we are not only on the same page, but we are in the same sentence. I looked at Orton yesterday and said “man, dude does not look like the QB”. He looks more like the back up punter. He needs a new hair cut, oh and a neck!
The D was lights out good. Yeah the receivers had drops, but the pressure on Rodges didn’t allow him to place the ball as well as he normally does. Great post, great game.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
orton
I was saying the same thing about orton yesterday. It’s hard to picture a dopey looking guy as the face of your franchise. It’s silly, but it’s, generally, a handsome position. QBs get cheerleading captains and have kids with good genes. To infinity. Poor Kyle is just a generation or two from having good looking children. KO3 will be a top 10 pick in 50 years. Why? Because Kyle is talented enough and rich enough to get a gold digging woman of good stock. The cycle can begin. As a chiefs fan, we should be happy to be on the ground floor.
I, truly, deeply believe we have a QB for the immediate future. I would still love to draft Luck, Barkley or RG3. No matter who is our QB of the immediate future, we need a true, just out of college, QBOTF. The thing is, having someone serviceable right now makes the chance that someone like Stanzi can get coached up/ready to play in a couple years. Without looking like Kirk Cameron out there. No growing pains.
Orton has NEVER had weapons like we have here. He’s always been making Caesar Salad out of Ceasar Shit. He DID play with Brandon Marshall, and even though he is hardcore enough to say he’s been stabbed, I’d take Bowe over him any day. If he gets a chance with Baldwin, Breaston, Bowe, Charles, Moeaki AND Anthony Becht next year….look out.
He’s got the smarts for game management and a strong enough arm to take some shots when we need it.
If we could get a 4th for Cassel, I’d take it. The way he’s bounced around, Orton would be crazy to not take something like 4yrs/30 mil. Serviceable contract, serviceable QB.
Why not let Jonah Hill (Kyle Orton) get Emma Stone (Chiefs)?
PS- HOWEVER, if Pioli starts drafting ugly QBs to find diamonds in the rough, I’m moving to Foxborough.
Great write up, always look forward to it
I forgot about Bailey eating Possum.
As for Orton. I am hoping beyond hope that he turns out to be as good as he appeared on Sunday. If he plays lights out the next two games and we resign him then that sets us up in the best position we could imagine. It means we would have a legitimate starter there and could use our picks for other needs and depth instead of wasting them in a trade. If Orton locks down the starting spot then we can use that first round pick for the best player available at tackle, RB, or Guard, then use the 2nd rounder on one of the other. If we resign Bowe, get the best tackle available, Hudson starts at center, and Orton turns into a legitimate starter, and Charles returns healthy then we are set at offense. I still think we need a compliment to Charles and Moeaki but we are talking depth at that point and not dire need at a crucial position.
A lot has been said about Orton between the 20 and his turnovers. i don’t think either is an issue. Chicago, he had a great defense and a decent running game but no receivers. He was also a rookie when he took over then again 2 years later. His rookie year he had a lot of turnovers (13 int & 6 fumbles) but not that many since. Since 05 he has only had 8 fumbles with 6 in 2 years. Otherwise he has had years with 0,1,1. 05 is also the only year he had more interceptions than TD’s. Since 05 he is almost 1.8-1 td/int (70-39). In Denver he had no real running game and receivers who had never done anything prior to him and McD. His receivers also weren’t big and physical. No running game and not having physical receivers or legit tight end means a difficult time in the red zone. I think if he can pull it out he will have a running game and receivers like he’s never had before and that will help the so called red zone and turnover issues he has, which I don’t really think he has.
Also, I think we need to resign McClain for next year. Haley had no desire to use him and it showed all year. It’s almost criminal to have one of the best FB’s in the league and have him on the sideline for the majority of the game.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Definitely agree about McClain
And probably Orton as well.
If he’s able to move our offense as-is, with no Tony Moeaki and an offensive line that needs a little re-tooling, why on earth would we replace him to take a flyer on a QB?
It makes much more sense in that scenario to go OL in the 1st round (the more I read about DeCastro the more I’d love that pick) and DL in the second round (NT competition or RDE competition), then use the remainder of picks for depth.
Pick up a RT and SILB in FA, and I’m comfortable with every position on the team…
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mcclain
I just posted that elsewhere. Would he only sign a one year deal with us? He’s young, talented and a vocal leader. I’d sign him for 6 years and not worry about FB again.
@relaxingpoo
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking
if we don’t have to look for a QB then that opens up so many possibilities that all look good. Then again, it’s only one game so we’ll see what he does over the next 2.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
it really doesn’t matter to me. I think he’ll kill himself to beat the broncos, but even if he’s terrible saturday…I don’t care. He’s an upgrade. If we can relegate Lilja to a backup role and replace BRich with top tier talent, I’m all in. Even if the difference is slight, Orton’s beats out Cassel in, nearly, every category. I also think the vote of confidence would be huge for a guy who continues to get shit on after decent play.
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