Chiefs want to draft quarterbacks the Ron Wolf way

"I like the idea and concept of trying to get a quarterback every year. It’s something that I know (longtime Packers GM) Ron Wolf did, and talking with Ron over the years, it’s something he firmly believes in. A number of us in this league learn from him." - Scott Pioli

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we dont pass on Kellen Moore. Only knack on that guy is a couple inches shorter than most QBs.

by andrew33 on Dec 17, 2011 7:59 PM CST reply actions

I know he's very accurate.

Some question his arm strength.

"I was working for the Chiefs, I wasn’t working for Pioli, wasn’t working for Haley, I’m working for the Chiefs." - Romeo Crennel

by Tarkus on Dec 17, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions

Kellen Moore?

He can throw the long ball pretty well in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c16ankVNds

by andrew33 on Dec 17, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions

not to mention

he’s the winningest QB in NCAAF history, and he’s been studying tapes since he was 6 years old.

by andrew33 on Dec 17, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions

The same two things applied to Colt McCoy a couple of years ago

Moore is probably a third-rounder at the very earliest.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions

Difference is

Kellen Moore had 26 Int to McCoy’s 45 Int in four year career and had 140 td to 112 td. Moore lost only 3 times, while McCoy lost 8 times.

The most amazing part of it is that Boise State lost because they missed a 26 yard field goal in 2010 and 37 yard field goal in 2011. Not to mention they lost 16-17 to TCU in 2009, and their kicker again missed a 37 yarder in the 3rd Quarter and they rushed 20 times for 28 yards. It’s pretty remarkable that Moore should have definitely won two of the three losses, and probably the 3rd as well.

by andrew33 on Dec 18, 2011 12:45 AM CST up reply actions

And im

not positive colt mccoy studied tapes since six year old, I know his father pushed him when he was young, but I haven’t heard of him studying tapes since 6.

by andrew33 on Dec 18, 2011 12:54 AM CST up reply actions

Not to mention

Kellen Moore sometimes did not get to see 4th, and even the 3rd quarter because they were up by so much.

by andrew33 on Dec 18, 2011 1:04 AM CST up reply actions

McCoy's father was a coach

And the Moore thing is overblown.

As for the 26INT vs. 45INT, remember that Moore has always been playing really, really mediocre competition.

The point is that QBs don’t win games; teams do. Projecting any kind of NFL success based on the number of wins a QB’s team has is folly.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 18, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions

Look at the competition...

Moore was playing the school of the blind most Saturdays.

by vic1124 on Dec 18, 2011 1:33 AM CST up reply actions

He played

just as well against ranked/SEC teams during his career. Don’t buy that argument at all. Matt Ryan played for BC and we all know ACC wasn’t a good conference when he was playing there. Philip Rivers played for NC State and so on.

But to win basically all the games in a four year career minus three game in which BSU should have won with a short field goal, is astounding. I bet Luck, Barkeley, RG3… could not win that many games as Kellen Moore won if they went to BSU for those four years.

by andrew33 on Dec 18, 2011 1:44 AM CST up reply actions

False

He did NOT play as well against ranked teams, and he only played them once in a while. If you don’t understand the difference between week-in, week-out challenges and the once- or twice-per-season challenges, then we have nothing left to say.

As for your statement that those guys couldn’t have won as many games as Moore did at BSU, remember that he’s a system QB in the truest sense of the word. Do you seriously not remember Zabransky or Dinwiddie, or did you really not pay attention to BSU football until very recently?

by burntorangehorn on Dec 18, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

Not talking about the deep ball.

Talking more about hitting the out patterns. You have to get the ball there in a hurry. Not saying he can’t do it, just that some question whether or not he can.

"I was working for the Chiefs, I wasn’t working for Pioli, wasn’t working for Haley, I’m working for the Chiefs." - Romeo Crennel

by Tarkus on Dec 17, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions

yup

arm strength is better measured by your 7yd out route than your deep ball

by SillyHatDay on Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions

Hmm

I guess he throws inside the numbers a lot, but I haven’t seen a game yet that shows he can’t make all the throws. He’s extremely accurate, has a very high QB IQ, seems to always play at a high level, doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, and has a lot of long signature drives. Don’t really see any negatives with Moore except that he’s two-three inches shorter than your usual QB.

by andrew33 on Dec 17, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions

What round do you think he'll be drafted?

"I was working for the Chiefs, I wasn’t working for Pioli, wasn’t working for Haley, I’m working for the Chiefs." - Romeo Crennel

by Tarkus on Dec 17, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions

Right now

I think he’s being touted as 3rd 4th rounder? I think after combines, someones willing to take him early 3rd maybe late 2nd?

Instead of taking RG3 who we need to trade a lot of our assets for, I think we should take an OL first round then Moore after trading down in the 2nd round. That would be my dream scenario i guess.

by andrew33 on Dec 17, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions

And the guy

lost titus young and austin pettis both this year, and he’s still keeping his accuracy up and winning. He would had 2 more wins if BSU kicker didn’t miss those chip shots.

by andrew33 on Dec 17, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions

Late 2nd, I doubt

Late 3rd, maybe, but really, I think the guy’s a day-three prospect when all is said and done.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions

5

good player, but he’s tiny

by SillyHatDay on Dec 17, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions

Not to mention

he’s been doing this for four years.

by andrew33 on Dec 17, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions

You know that is a good point

Since GB picked #4 from Atlanta (how stupid do they feel), they have gotten Mark Brunell (Jags first QB and led them to success), Matt Hasselbeck (Seahawks QB) and if I am right Aaron Rodgers (enough said).

by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 17, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions

I would say that's a smart thing if your team already has sufficient depth everywhere else

We’re not at the point yet where we can just throw mid round picks away on QB’s if the don’t work out.

by RamX21 on Dec 17, 2011 10:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions

I was thinking the same thing.

It’s a nice philosophy to say draft the best player available, regardless of need, but you can’t really do that when you’re great at some positions and suck at others.

"I was working for the Chiefs, I wasn’t working for Pioli, wasn’t working for Haley, I’m working for the Chiefs." - Romeo Crennel

by Tarkus on Dec 17, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions