Expectations for the 2012 regime and beyond.
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 3:33 PM CST
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PrintWe all know that the Chiefs are moving on from the Todd Haley era. Right or wrong, that much is crystal clear now, even to those of us with blinders on. Lately, the huge topic is who will lead the Chiefs moving forward as the head coach in 2012. The internet is literally littered with stories about potential candidates for the job. The talking heads are jabbering like bobble-heads while spewing out the big three names for every coaching opening (Jeff Fisher, Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher) and in the race to win the internet, the writing pundits are wearing the letters that spell J-o-s-h out on their keyboards.
At the same time, before he has even coached a game as the interim head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Some people are pointing to Romeo Crennel staying on as the Chiefs permanent head coach despite his slightly abysmal record as the "top dawg" in the Cleveland Browns locker room a 'hip' and a half ago. To me, that opinion will shift greatly if the Green Bay Packers crush the Chiefs at home tomorrow and people get over the informed feeling that is watching a recent Romeo Crennel press conference (the comparison to Todd Haley is night and day.)
What if the Chiefs win tomorrow?
That is a fun question, but that is not what I plan on talking about this afternoon (if you want a great preview of the game watch According to Mitch.) Instead, I thought we all might look internally at what we want out of this organization moving forward.
This is a enormous transition period for the Kansas City Chiefs and one that could set the organization back for several seasons if handled in the wrong way. That said, what should we expect in terms of results from this upcoming regime?
Is it Super Bowl or bust?
Scott Pioli -
We have seen the pictures, heard the stories and wishfully dreamed that Scott Pioli could bring his past success to the Kansas City Chiefs in the form of Super Bowl wins. Well, it has been almost three years and now, one fired Todd Haley later we are still dreaming around here in the Midwest...
What are the contents of those dreams? Well, a few months ago during the NFL lock out (and every year), my dream was to see the Chiefs win the Super Bowl. Obviously, unless we trade for Tim Tebow and a miracle takes place that is just not going to happen. Romeo Crennel could finish the season with three straight wins, but even at 8-8 the Chiefs would probably not go to the playoffs.
So, if we put 2011 in the rear view mirror, and look into the future as Chiefs fans. What are some of the expectations that we should set for Scott Pioli before his shiny new head horse even leaves the starting gate? After all, it will be useless to find this next horses head chopped off and laying on Clark Hunt's bed if "The Don" is eventually fired a couple years from now without the fans giving the man some clear understandable goals to obtain.
Develop a quarterback -
Since the Chiefs traded for Matt Cassel in 2009, they have stuck to their guns in saying that Matt Cassel is the man. Well, moving forward that just isn't going to fly with most fans. Personally, I believe it is safe to say that the majority of Kansas City fans would be uncomfortable going into 2012 with Matt Cassel as the franchise quarterback unless there was a potentially great understudy waiting in the wings (not named Rick(-y) Stanzi.)
Some have suggested trading for Peyton Manning or drafting a first round gunslinger... Whatever the case may be, my first expectation of this new regime is to find an elite QB.
Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr -
Either get these guys signed to long term contracts as Kansas City Chiefs or turn them into ammunition to get another quarterback via the franchise tag in April. There is no reason to let either of these guys walk without receiving something beneficial in return.
That said, my preference is to see them signed on long term. They are both outstanding football players and deserve to be compensated in my mind. Make something happen.
The offensive line -
The Chiefs biggest offseason move on the line was signing Jared Gaither and while he is helping the Chargers win games now, Gaither didn't really do anything for the Chiefs. Moves like that are unacceptable and the Chiefs must do better in terms of acquiring talent on the offensive line.
You can't win Super Bowls in the NFL with bad play in the trenches in my opinion. It is time for the Chiefs to make some upgrades. Truthfully, I don't care how they do it, but I want to see the Chiefs improve their line. Whether it be in the draft, free agency or a plentiful mix of both, this team needs help up front and they needed it months ago. No more excuses, get it done.
The defensive front seven -
The Chiefs need a line that can get after the quarterback. We expect sacks in Kansas City. Draft someone, sign someone, fire someone, but whatever you do, the results better be the Chiefs defense getting more sacks. That is the bottom line, get us players that we can watch get to the quarterback.
Injuries -
Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, Tony Moeaki, Matt Cassel, Brandon Siler and Gabe Miller. These guys should all be receiving the best rehab that money can buy, no excuses. Let's not make any boneheaded team decisions in their individual rehabilitation's. They will all have plenty of time to go through the healing process. We all want to see healthy recoveries.
Be competitive -
Score touchdowns, create turnovers and don't get blown out anymore. The Chiefs tell us they are trying to compete for championships... let them prove it. Improve the play on the field and give us a reason to get excited about this team.
Start with being competitive for the rest of this season and keep it going with these two things:
*Competitive search for a capable new head coach.
*Competitive search for a franchise QB.
Win both of those competitions.
Win games -
Ultimately, we probably should judge this team on wins and losses. Show us a reason to believe you deserve to be in charge of the Chiefs Scott Pioli, because right now, we are mostly skeptical at best. Help this football team win games.
Go to the playoffs and win -
We want success in Kansas City. When I was younger, I watched Joe Montana, Marcus Allen, Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith take the Chiefs to the AFC championship game in the 1993 season against the Buffalo Bills. Despite the loss, it was a good feeling to see my favorite team make it that far. After all the playoff losses and losing seasons it is getting harder and harder to remember that feeling.
Now, I can't speak for all the fans, but I want to experience that again. We should all expect you to turn this team into a winner and this is one of the things I will be judging you on Scott. Get it done.
Win the Super Bowl -
Ultimately, this is every teams goal in the NFL. The Kansas City Chiefs are no different and after four decades of losing, we want it to be our turn. Every season I expect the Chiefs to win a Super Bowl, let's make this happen soon.
Scott Pioli, to put it quite simply, if you take this team to a Super Bowl you will forever be a god in this town and every ounce of ego that you possess will be justified.
However, if the losing continues, then sadly just like the 2010 NFL Coach of the year Todd Haley. You too, will be unceremoniously shown the door, sooner rather than later. Which option sounds better to you?
Super Bowl or bust?
Super Bowl.
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I didn't even read this post yet
I had to come REC it just because of that first photo lol.
Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 17, 2011 3:43 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Now I read the post
I would have REC’d it anyway lol
Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 17, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, I'm always grateful if at least one person likes what I write...
Especially, this story about what they Chiefs should do. It is hard to not get fired up.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
good stuff, Blinders
and no more lame talk about there not being any good posts on Saturdays ;-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Dec 17, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Solid post, blinders.
What would I like to see from this team? Besides more cowbell?….
I dunno about the Bowe Show staying in KC, especially if we hook up with McD either as coordinator or head coach. That spot will be reserved for one of his boys with NE or DEN (likely Brandon Lloyd, which will be good for a hometown kid). I could see us taking an Eric Decker-type WR in the draft, too…
Is that what I want? No. But it’s what I foresee. Hopefully I am wrong.
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
i think its more of clark hunt to decide the next HC
I think the fans will run mcdaniels out of town if hired for hc maybe oc. I can’t see hunt giving the approval for mchoodie for HC. I think clark hunt will reach out to cowher, and make the call.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
The GM need to hire the HC he feels most comefortable with
Meddling owners rarely help (see Jones, Snyder, Davis, Brown, etc..)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I don't think the owner should pick him, but he ought to have veto power.
It doesn’t make sense for the owner to have to look on the field and not like seeing his own head man.
would of ≠ would've
i like our chances or getting manning if healthy, we haven't taken a qb in the first rd since todd blackledge.
1983 was the last time thats got to be a record
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
I was 4
In 1983 and had no idea what football was.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 17, 2011 4:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
it was alot of pain back then we could of had marino
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
or perhaps a decade with Joe Montana and Marv Levy years earlier in 1979...
It’s okay though… the Chiefs handled their business with Steve Fuller in the first round… wait.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I liked marv levy until the chiefs fired him
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
the Chiefs liked Marv levy til the Chiefs fired him
I always liked the guy … only guy to coach a team to the Super Bowl for FOUR consecutive years … that’s a record that will likely never be broken (and yeah, I know the knock: the Bills never won any of those games, so what? they made it there, year after year, and THAT’S amazing enough in itself)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Dec 17, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes kc f**ked marv levy over
He had the team going in the right direction, instead we get dumb ass john mackovic
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
probably the only time a Kicker
punted a Head Coach :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I know, huh
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
tony reed wasn't he the running back with art still as DE
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
ummmmmmmmmmm ... I'd have to look up just when those guys were with the team
or you could look it up … google is your friend
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
i remember art still
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
actually it is a record
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
I think the defensive line/front seven is better then most think and I think being a bit more patient with that group is the way to go.
If you look the starters in the front seven you could make a strong argument that there are two positions where the right starter isnt on the team and thats at SILB and NT. Jury is out on Powe and maybe he is the solution but his lack of playing time makes that a tough argument to sell.
At LB Tamba and DJ are locks as two of the best defensive players on the team and they’re both probably top 5 at their positions in the league. Houston didn’t look like the answer early on but like BJs post said, he’s coming around and I think we have a long term solution there who’s going to get better.
The front 3 are the positions we might be forced to be patient on because of two guys. Powe and Bailey. TJax has completely locked down that left side and now that Houston has become more versatile its freeing up Jackson to do more. He doesn’t have to worry about doing everyones job on that side and I think you’ll see his QB pressure game get better as Houston continues to develop. The NT position is still a huge question mark but we may have a guy there. There are also quite a very nice looking prospects in this draft at that spot but either way, NT looks to be a wait and see position. Dorsey hasn’t looked great this year but Bailey is a guy who isn’t getting much attention but like Houston he has really come on the last few weeks and is getting rewarded with more playing time. He’s an absolute beast on the right side and seems to eat up double teams every time he’s in the game.
I think SILB is a spot we need to fill and who knows, siler could be the guy. But other then that the front 7 just needs a bit more depth because the unit as a whole is definitely on the upswing.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Agree 100% GB
I’m curious as to your thoughts on Crennel as the HC next year.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I'm a bit conflicted on it.
The pros are that you promote a guy who’s been here so not a lot of things change which would really help the transition. These guys have had to deal with enough change over the last few years and consistency within the organization leads to more success. I’m also a bigger fan of a defensive minded head coach because I’d love to have a team that emphasizes defense as their identity with a complimentary offense.
The cons are his history as a head coach. I know he didn’t have a ton to work with in Cleveland so I won’t use wins/losses to judge him but at times when he was there he was just terrible at in game management and that’s worrisome.
I think if he gets the right guy at OC, the right guy as assistant HC to help him better manage the game, then it could work because he doesn’t have to get anyone on board. The players know him and like him and will play hard for him.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Who is that right guy GB for OC
I was wanting to look into who Romeo might be most comfortable with? I wonder if Chan Gailey gets fired if he might be amenable to another shot in KC. but who has Romeo had as OC’s before?
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Rob Chudzinski is at Carolina this year
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
He could be interesting
Especially if we draft Robert Griffin
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
But why lateral move when your QB is Cam Newton?
Unless we get RGIII in KC, Chud stays where he is, IMO.
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions
Personally I think he has to go big and outside his "tree"
Whether he will or not is another matter and another matter still is how much say does Pioli have in the hire. One things for certain as soon as the OC is decided, There’s no one in the organization worth promoting so I would be extremely disappointed with a promotion. McDaniels means Cassel is the QB next year and no one will be happy about that.
I’m not sure who the answer is but there’s alot of guys outside of his tree that would be interesting picks. Tom Clements is the guy I ask for every time this discussion comes up.
I’m actually expecting to be disappointed when a OC is named. I hope he surprises me.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
If Romeo is the new Head Coach I will be happy with anyone HE names
Chuzinski has the #5 rushing offense this season. #1 for rush TD’s and 9th overall in offensive yardage
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I think Romeo wants an OC
That he can pretty much hand the keys to the car with regards to handling the offensive gameplan and play calling.
That said… I have no idea who who that’d be.
Who knows, maybe all of a sudden the play calling dazzles and Zorn gets named OC :)
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So not him :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
what are the chances Mo Carthon gets promoted to OC?
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i agree
isnt he a Haley guy… and Rb outside of JC is weak
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
He's a Romeo guy too, he was Crennel's OC for the first year (2 years?) in Cleveland.
He screwed up pass protections for run protections in the same call in practice once. If I was more awake this AM, I’d turn google on and find the link again…I linked it about a week ago somewhere here.
They’ve known each other since Carthon’s days as a FB on Parcells’ Giants, when Crennel was Parcells’ DL coach.
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
On move I do hope he makes on defense....
Is letting someone else coordinate it, even if he still calls the plays. The advantage he has there is the defensive coaching staff is littered with guys who could easily step up and fill that role. Gibbs would be my first choice.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Gibbs is one guy we haven't talked about a lot
Even as DJ has turned into a top 3 ILB, Hali’s improved greatly against the run, Belcher’s become an OK contributor, and Houston’s become a legit starter.
All under that dude’s watch as linebacker coach.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at what Gary Gibbs did in Dallas, his turned Bradie James and some kid from Troy State into a beastly group of LB's.
That might have been about 5-6 yrs’ back, under Parcells, but still.
He can’t coordinate an aggresive D, though. He was Payton’s DC in New Orleans his first two years and was known for rushing four men, dropping five, and having a LB go either way pretty much every down. Very colorless, bend-but-don’t break style of play and it got the Saints’ asses beat. Until they replaced Gibbs with Gregg Williams the year they went to the SB, they looked like the NFC’s Chargers.
Not sure if his 3-4 would be any better than his lame 4-3….we’ve seen this “Tampa 2” style crap in town before.
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
Agree
I’m concerned about his softness with the players, and his game managment.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Well said
REc.
A lot of it’s difficult to see without knowing how Powe and Bailey are looking in practice.
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I'm excited to see this young defense fired up against the Packers tomorrow.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
As for this: "Is it Super Bowl or bust?"
I think that has to be the mentality. Yes, we have a lot of great young talent but the prime part of those talents careers is going to be pissed away if Pioli doesn’t stop dicking around and find solutions at the key holes on this team, including the coaching staff.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
any chance we can land Drew Brees
Isn’t he a FA after the season? Thought I saw he is holding off talks for rest of regular season…rather have him than manning. Not sure how Mich more manning has in him or if he will even be healthy. Either of these two tho would be huge plus draft a good qb to learn from one of these guys.
by jcrunninwild on Dec 17, 2011 4:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
New Orleans won't lose Bree's
They’ll match any offer he gets IMHO.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I doubt Brees would leave
They’ve built a great offense revolving around his skills, he plays in a dome, the city worships him, and their a SB contender.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Yep, he loves NO & the people there love him
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Although , I do like your train of thought
Bree’s would be an excellent addition to this team, and would be a great mentor to a rookie QB.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
nice idea
but he ain’t comming to KC. No way. He’s breaking Marino’s record, then will get his new deal
My NFL team is more broken then yours!
Agreed
The Saints would be foolish to let Brees walk. I doubt they are ready to start the Chase Daniels era… though Tyler Palko may come available for them and from 1000 yards away he looks just like Drew Brees
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
1000 yards and about six or seven shots of Patron, maybe, lol
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
Nice Post
However, i expect failure from this franchise.
Show me a playoff win, and maybe i’ll start to believe.
We have been Bust for years, nothing tells me that is going to change anytime soon
My NFL team is more broken then yours!
And so it goes...
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
In Redberry's defense
This team does need to prove it.
Hopefully they get to work, win and in a few years we will reap the rewards.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Redberry needs no defense
The Chiefs have set the bar high for how to lose. He’s right. Every time they make a move to pull themselves out of the dumper they go right on with another move to keep themselves in it. The Chiefs have everything to prove and NOTHING to lose. Too bad that we have a young owner that simply cannot see through the veil of political deceit that clouds this teams future.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Meh...
This team is a few great moves away from being an excellent franchise. The problem is that as fans, we can’t trust them to make the right moves to get there.
The Chiefs brass need to dig deep, look past the dollar signs and find their inner constitution that is laced with the will to succeed. Will they? I sure hope so.
We deserve a winner in Kansas City. Now, let’s make it happen!
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
I would love
for KC to become a winner. I was on that bandwagon many years.
a record 7 playoff losses in a row, will make ya feel jaded.
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
I know I was there...
They were frustrating times, but look like a bouncy house to a 5 year old in comparison to this past decade.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
This team is a few great moves away from being an excellent franchise?
Dig deep? Look past the dollar signs? Inner constitution, lace with the will to succeed? What in the name of God gives you the idea that they WILL do this? No, what we have is a record of doing exactly what is necessary to keep ourselves from winning. Hell, the Chiefs could patent their achievements in this regard. We deserve a winner? What makes you think the Chiefs deserve a winner? Most of the time you reap what you sow. I see no difference today.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Haley's firing really ticked you off didn't it?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
What does it matter?
The deed is done and the fall out is in front of us.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
So just so I'm clear on this...
WITH Haley, we were just a team that’d suffered bad Luck and was very close to being good enough to contend, with tons of talent.
WITHOUT Haley we’re screwed for at least 5 years.
I’m trying to piece together how you got from view A to view B. Help me out here. (seriously, not trying to be snarky. I’m asking)
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agree with you here MN
I am a Haley fan. And Pioli. I think these guys put together a very good nucleus going here that can succeed very soon. Last year, they outperformed a bit and this year they are underperforming – in no small part due to a big chunk of that nucleus out. I’ve defended Cassel but am ready to move on. I don’t think he’s as awful as he’s made out but I also don’t think he can get much better.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
agree with this, kabrink
though I do think Haley got the shaft (in more ways than one) … just as Herm did a few years ago
as Enite posted (terrific post: Are Fans The Problem?) it takes time for any head coach to build and succeed (loved his example of the Steelers and how bad Chuck Noll was at first, and he was alos with them for YEARS)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I hear ya
And part of me wishes Haley hadn’t been let go. But again, some of the decisions he made on who to play were absolutely terrible, as well as his clock management and play calling.
It all depends on where we go for our next HC. If we stick with RAC and get a strong OC I’ll be fine. Get a decent coach with a good track record, fair enough. Give McDaniels the job? I will be ready to kill someone.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haley should have taken over as OC officially after Weis left and just done it.
I think this year it’s too difficult to understand who was doing what.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
My gut tells me Pioli nixed that plan and it started this whole rift...
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
as to Haley, I still don’t understand what benefit is accrued to the Chiefs by dumping him during the season. I also don’t think it was unreasonable to play Palko. I think it was only by necessity. Orton surely couldn’t have been ready that first week and then he was hurt. I guess we might get to see if Stanzi is any good. For right or wrong I think Haley just felt he wasn’t ready.
Given the oddness of the timing, I guess it seems like there truly was friction between him and Pioli.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I feel like Aiken
I’m trying to piece together how you got from view A to view B. Help me out here. (seriously, not trying to be snarky. I’m asking)
Cause Pettyness and Ego have derailed the Train. Apparently when Peterson and Schottenheimer were cohabitating they hated each other at times. Would not talk for years at a time but remained Civil and let the Team be the focus of both their hopes.
Pioli designated Todd Haley the Front man for the Chiefs. The only one we got to see and hear from for almost 3 years. Give me an Aiken and others our week to recover from our Stockholm syndrome
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Now that makes some sense
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I don't feel like explaining it to you Mn
Steve’s explanation will give you some of what I feel about this. Do and say what you will. It won’t change the final analysis.
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I don't do anything in the name of God
That makes me feel like a Broncos fan these days… ugh.
Despite your strong words, I don’t believe them. For whatever reason, I think you will find some leftover Kool-Aid under your tree in a few day… Who knows?
Kansas City deserves a winner because it is my home and it is filled with amazing people that deserve to see a Super Bowl parade IMO. Young KC fans deserve to see a winner, because that is not just reserved to appease Boston children.
Life time fans of the Chiefs deserve a winner and we should all cry it one voice loud enough for Clark to hear that we need a winner, a QB and a Lomardi trophy.
Oh and we need them yesterday. Get on it.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
yes
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Plan for the worst
Hope for the best?
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QB in the draft
I`d like to get a Qb in draft, what do you think it would take to trade with Colts?
If they were actually taking offers for it?
Two first, a second, a fourth and a starting player? Personally I think two firsts, Carr and Dorsey would do it and I’d pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat. for Luck.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Swap out Carr with Gilberry,
And maybe drop one of those firsts to a 2nd or 3rd and then I’m good with it.
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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 17, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Carr would actually be the key trading piece we would have to offer them that most other teams couldn't
Its been ages since that team has had a CB that’s any good and they’re desperate for a starter. Personally I’d rather keep Carr and boot Flowers but Pioli already paid him.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I guess as long as there is a quality option signed or drafted at CB
Then it wouldn’t be as big of a deal. I could go along with that. But still I think maybe a first and two 3rds would be more agreeable, from a fans perspective anyway.
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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 17, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
wouldn't we have to tag or re-sign Carr now to trade him?
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Sign Bowe long term and tag Carr
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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 17, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
I don't hate the idea
With the development of Houston, 2nd CB could become less important as our ability to apply pressure to the QB increases.
And seriously, if they’re planning on trying for one more SB run with Manning, I do see an offer like that (Dorsey and Carr along with picks) as something other teams couldn’t match, and one that wouldn’t gut our team.
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I'd be right there with you, honestly
QB is that important.
But they’ve gotta be planning on taking him. Otherwise, why not claim Orton?
Although IF they are planning on one more SB run for 3-4 years with Manning I could see them tanking so they could have leverage for a trade. In which case, they’d definitely want players read to contribute now, rather than just draft picks
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Well first off, I'd want to make sure Peyton Manning was healthy...
His injuries are very scary, especially in a contact sport like the NFL.
Next, I would say that the Colts will wait until the very last moment to trade Manning (if they even do.) If he is proved healthy it could prove to be one of the biggest trades in NFL history… at least top 10.
It won’t be cheap, but it will probably be cheaper than trading up for Andrew Luck would be.
I don’t even think Dwayne Bowe and our number one pick would get it done. In other words… good question.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
if I'm in charge of the Colts (and I'm not) then I keep Manning AND draft Luck or RG3 ...
hell, could trade down, snarf an extra pick or two and STILL get a VERY good QB prospect with Manning as “mentor”
as for getting Manning (or even Luck or RG3) … too much to trade away … we have too many other holes to fill … get the best QB available in the draft, and if you don’t like whoever’s there when we draft, then fill in some OTHER holes
just my take on it all :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
ups they got to give manning a 25 milllion dollar bonus if they decide to keep him
they will trade him if healthy
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
We don't have to play in the Indy pool though
We could just wait for them to cut him and then make our best offer to Manning
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe they will cut him
unless his injuries are too severe for him to play ever again.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
yes but man what would indy fans think if they just cut the guy
a trade sounds better
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
They would feel like I did when we future endeavored Brian Waters...
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
But why would they pay Manning a $28m bonus just to turn around at trade him?
He’s 36 years old, they aren’t going to get multiple first round picks for him. I’m sure they’d LOVE to get something in return for him, but the way they structured his deal, they’d be better off releasing him.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
would you give manning 28 mill at this point
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Are they due to pay him before they have the option of trading him?
Because if so, them keeping him would be a pretty decent sign that there’s a CHANCE to trade for that number 1 pick.
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he's due 28 mill in march
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
When can players be traded? After that or before?
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free agency starts in feburary
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
So theoretically they'll have a shot to trade him then
If they don’t, it seems unlikely they go QB
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yes I think the chiefs got a legit shot at manning
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
yes, his $28 mil bonus is due on the first day of the new league year (March12th?) in 2012.
So they have to decide early and find a trade partner… or pay his bonus.
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Thanks for the info
So IND calls and they’ve got Pey Pey on the trading block. They want our first rounder for him. They give you doctor’s reports showing a completely clean bill of health. What do you do?
GO!
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done deal
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
for 1 st rd pick and manning can help develope stanzi
you would probably get 3 or 4 more years out of manning
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
okay in simple terms help learn from one of the best
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
just like Curtis Painter =P
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by Texas Chief on Dec 17, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't do much good for Curtis Painter.
Doesn’t matter anyway, no way we get him. Too pricey we need to invest in the future and be paying our own guys.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 18, 2011 12:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
not since 83 have we drafted a qb in the first round
it reminds me of the joe montana trade. the chiefs will take a good look at manning if available
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Initially I'd say.. Pass...
because I don’t have a lot of faith in a 36 year old QB coming off 3 neck surgeries in 18 months. I’d rather roll the dice with a LT/QB in the first, Cassel/Stanzi and a 2nd round LT/QB.
However, you are setting the cost for Peyton at ONE first round draft pick and nothing else (which is never ever ever going to happen).
For JUST our first round pick… I might consider him worth the risk, but if they want the Chiefs to toss in so much as a 4th rounder in addition to that 1st… No Thanks.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 17, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
you call bullsnockey on the doctor
with a degenerative disc there is no such thing as a “clean bill of health.” Soft tissue does not regenerate. The nerve stems under pressure do not “regenerate.” The symptoms of that pressure (weakness and numbness in limbs) does not go away until the pressure is relieved. Fusing vertebrae in the spine after removing/artificially replacing the disc will offer that relief, but in now way prevents recurrance with contact in the NFL. See Priest Holmes. It’s frighteningly similar. Peyton is from now on damaged goods.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
they cant afford to ut him with all the guaranteed dollars in his contract.
He’ll be a colt again in 2012 if he wants to… or he’ll dictate the team he is trade to by ONLY agreeing to renegotiate his contract for a team he wants to play for.
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If you're in charge of the Colts and want to keep Manning (assuming he's healthy)
Then it’s imperative to be able to compete now. Which is why I believe with THIS draft they’d leverage there way into a deal that involves draft picks and players ready to contribute this year.
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valid point, and they could do that, trade down and still get a very good QB draft pick ... plus some extra picks and/or extra warm bodies
and yes, assuming he’s healthy … even so, he’s not going to last forever (regardless of where he is) and any team that has him (Colts aside) is mortgaging the future for a few good years (though granted a few years with one of the best ever)
so, in terms of KC … think of the 90’s when Marty and Carl brought in Montana … is our team RIGHT NOW as good as THAT team (Montana aside) … are we THAT CLOSE to being at the top of the conference? I don’t think we’re even in the same ballpark with that team … forget Montana, that team with DeBerg (who was much better than many give him credit for) would roll over this current assemblage of players
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
ups my only thought is i wish we would of gotten a hold of montana sooner
i like the bounty game againest houston when buddty ryan put the bounty on montana Keith cash and marcus allen were sweet in that game along with montana the 93 playoffs
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if 1979 had anything to do with Hunt bringing in Montana with Peterson.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
we had the DE with montana didn't have a qb until montana came
the whole manning thing reminds of the montana situation we need a qb.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
except Montana didn't have a broken neck
I’m not on the Manning bandwagon around here. He’s not going to come cheap enough to take on the risk that he’s done.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
He did have an elbow though
and people were saying that he was done…
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I stand corrected...
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
just kidding with you
I don’t remember Montana’s health status at the time and I’m not arguing your point. I just thought he got pushed out for the younger Young.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
It was a pretty big deal
The Chiefs were praying on one game…
Montana missed the entire 1991 season and most of the 1992 season with an elbow injury sustained during the 1990 NFC Championship Game (he did appear in a Monday Night Football game vs. Detroit Lions at the end of the ’92 season, and was very effective). However, by this point, Young had replaced him as the starting quarterback.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
can't believe I don't remember that
I loved those 49ers. Age’ll do that to ya.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
There are a lot of parallels to the Manning situation...
Yeah but everyone was saying Joe Montana was done. Especially in 1992 before that one game.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
getting it back to Manning though
I don’t think Joe’s elbow compares to Manning’s neck though. Especially with our current OL, I’d hate to be Manning. Pray to the gods that we drastically improve the OL with the young and new guys.
I doubt Archie will allow the Chiefs to sign him even if they wanted to.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Both injuries end careers...
It was his throwing elbow. I wouldn’t bet against Manning recovering, but if the Chiefs bet on him it would be a huge gamble.
If he passes a physical, then I would take the gamble. However, I would rather go young (and not Vince.)
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
He might still throw harder than Tyler Palko with his left.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Manning's a poor choice for this offense, right now.
He’d have to take a beating to get it done in KC, assuming that would be enough to get it done.
I still don’t think we’ve seen just how high Cassel’s ceiling is, and I think it’s premature to put a huge investment into QB before this team is really ready. And when the OL does get some real movement up front, we might find that Stanzi or even Cassel have good enough tools.
I still think Cassel is mainly a good way to make the best of a so-so situation. He mightn’t measure up after the team hits the tipping-point on the o-line, in which case, they can go on the QB rotisserie. I personally think that they will find they don’t have to go on the rotisserie, because there’ll be a lot of QBs who can make all the throws for ’em.
would of ≠ would've
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
yes the best
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I really liked Deberg, too. I just wanted to see them show some patience, and keep team-building.
One of the reasons KC failed to develop their own QBs – besides getting the Marino pick wrong, of course – was failing to build a foundation for their own guys to stand on. Kept expecting the QB to make a complete offense out of an incomplete offense, and every time they chased after another QB, it took them further away from having that complete offense around him.
would of ≠ would've
I'm not sure how far off we are
Last year’s easy schedule makes last year tough to judge. T
he injuries to our 2 best and most important players along with all the other crap(Haley’s poor plan for the preseason, Moeaki going down, Baldwin being injured, crap even Cassel going down) make THIS year tough to judge.
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Put a healthy Peyton on this team, it's hard to imagine any AFC team is better
I mean, the D is good enough…get Moeaki & Charles back on offense, add a RT…who is better?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
RT and G/C.
And they have to come in NFL-ready, because for this squad to turn the corner, the new guys have to START for the team. Let the current starters become the depth.
would of ≠ would've
MN, not sure what Haley did in preseason WAS a poor plan, but that aside ...
I think we’re somewhere in between the two extremes of division winner and joke of the universe … we weren’t as good as many thought a year ago, and 9given the injuries) not as bad as as this year has turned out
I’m with Aiken and Steve: it was a mistake to toss Haley (and you know I’ve been riding hard on the guy since he got here, hated him in 2009 but saw some change as that season progressed, a change for the better)
as for Baldwin: huge mistake on Pioli’s part to even look at the guy, but then I’ve grown sadly accustomed to mistakes by Pioli … this latest is just one more example
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Why was Baldwin a mistake?
He’s looked pretty damn good, when targeted.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
How has Baldwin been a huge mistake?
Seriously, gets into it with TJ, who has gotten into a serious fight on every team he’s been on from what I’ve read.
Gets on the field, and in the VERY limited throws to him has been doing well.
How does that fit “huge mistake?”
T-Jax, Berry, Asamoah, Moeaki, Dex, Hudson, Houston, Bailey, Breaston, Gregg, McClain, Gordon, Smith, Lilja (although NSM this year), are all guys Pioli has brought in and played well for us. Getting DJ signed long term, locking up Hali, locking up Flowers….
Looks to me like there’s been more than bad moves made by Pioli.
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heck even Chambers was a good move
that first half season. Very unfortunate (or plain not smart) to re-sign him though.
And you left out Arenas and dare I say it… Cassel and Vrabel. I know, everyone hates Cassel. I still think at that time he was a good option to go for.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
neh, I'm with Prof Mills, you build a team from the inside out
e, the lines … and yeah he got TJax (and McGee) in 2009 but seems to me he was in too much of a hurry to get “any old QB” instead of concentrating on the OLine and DLine
if I’m coming to a team and there’s ANY question about EITHER line, I’d be spending the draft getting as many bodies as possible to make sure it’s rock solid for years to come … for all the talk about it being a passing league (and it is) the game is still much the same as always, it starts in the trenches … win that battle and most of the time you win the game
have a great and strong OLine then your running game works, and when the running game is working even an average (Cassel) QB can hold things together long enough for the team to win (at least some games)
conversely, when the DLine (and LB group) is strong and takes care of business, it limits what the other team can do … that’s what it’s about, winning that battle up front
just my never-so-humble opinion :-)
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With regards to the line
Asamoah and Hudson can’t be igored in that analysis. Nore Gaither.
If Haley had played Gaither, we could honestly say that Pioli had completely rebuilt the line with a C, RG and T. As it is he’s gotten one young stud in Asamoah and another who looks very, very comfortable out there as a rook inn Hudson.
How would he have addressed the line more? Are you thinking in the 2nd of the ’10 draft? because that I get.
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yeah, Asamoah last year, Hudson this year (who knows how he'll be, Asamoah looks good so far)
Gaither is a non-event in my book … Lilja was a stop-gap (and I’d still rather they have kept Waters than Lilja) … of course everyone hates BRich and half of AP wants to move Albert to RT (or to his “natural position” of _______)
I just think he’s done too little and far too late in the game (as it were) … I think you start immediately with talent, talent and more talent on both lines and THEN go after whatever else you think you need
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Gaither being a "non-event" wasn't Pioli's fault
And Lilja just outplayed Waters last year.
I get what you’re saying, but when you look at the moves objectively you CAN see the line being addressed.
Weig’s was brought in and was an upgrade over Nis (and still is even as a corpse at this point) as well…
And Hudson’s looked solid out there replacing Lilja at LG. As a rookie. That speaks for him likely being a great pick as well.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this is good ... and sadly true
Weig’s was brought in and was an upgrade over Nis (and still is even as a corpse at this point) as well…
point, MN!
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I can see why they've made the moves they've made
Except with regards to B-Rich and gaither. That one I don’t get. And frankly, it smacks of Haley sticking with someone he knows.
Of course, it could’ve been that Gaither was loafing it. I have no idea.
But Pioli HAS made moves to improve our line. He just hasn’t taken a tackle in the first, which is the only thing many equate with addressing the line
BTW, I totally want to see RT and perhaps LG addressed this year as well.
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They've kept OL on an upward trajectory.
Just not steep enough to suit Ups and me.
Ups and I were generally OK with the Colin Brown and Magee picks, too. Even if those picks don’t pan out (and better talent scouting would’ve been nice), they were the kinds of picks you make, and KEEP making. Both Arenas and McCluster were about a foot shorter and 100 pounds lighter than the kinds of guys Ups and I looking for in 2010 with those picks.
Nothing wrong with the Asamoah and Hudson picks, but that’s only 2 picks where they actually took a forward step on O-Line through the draft in THREE YEARS, and the biggest weakness of the offense continues to be trench play. Their TOTAL offensive ineptitude is fundamental. There’s just too little root-hog-or-die in the offense. They get to the enemy 10-yard-line by accident and they’re just gonna march it backwards from there. No way they out-man the defense on the short field. Others might blame it on the QB, and there’s merit in seeing the lack of outside-the-20 scoring (one of the traits of properly-run WCO, btw).
Anyhoo, back to the main point, you DO want your scouting to be top-notch, so above all, those high-round picks on OL DO come right in and start producing. You don’t reach for position, but you can reach for quality, which is to say it’s OK to pick a G or C sooner than needed, but you DO secure a big, mean NFL-ready player, and you’ve made your Brian Bulaga pick. A guy who will, at worst, be one helluva good G, but well-schooled and starting at RT, most likely, and giving you some competition and depth at LT, or at least some position flexibility for if things have to shift around, due to injury.
I was expecting the trade-down last draft to result in skimming a couple top-flight linemen, and, while I think Baldwin is a good pick, Hudson is only one of two guys of his caliber (or better) they should already have under their belts. I’m looking squarely at the trade for Cassel and Vrabel and the Arenas and McCluster picks when I say this. There’s 3 times they passed on making the front 5 better.
And even if my goal were 3-4, and even with the Tyson Jackson pick, I’d’ve stuck with 4-3 concepts on the DL, short-term, going with the bigger LDE, while I slowly assembled 3-4 personnel. I’d prob’ly put Hali at RDE, but give him the option of hands-free-of-dirt operations, and maybe put McBride in there on the weak side, with Hali playing Pirate beside and behind that, like Derrick Thomas used to.
I don’t mind the 4-3, but I don’t like sacrificing run support for pass rush abilities, like most 4-3 teams end up doing with their DEs. I still like the Derrick Thomas/Lawrence Taylor ‘tweeners that make the front 5 an overpowering force, but I don’t like the way KC squandered Derrick Thomas and Tamba Hali at DE, because they were the most capable at the position. Talents like that are wasted with their hand in the dirt all day long. Part of what makes them special is making it harder for OL to get a bead on ’em off the pre-snap look.
would of ≠ would've
In other words, Mills, you would have run the old 49'ers Falcon 4-3.
Like what they did with Charles Haley. I just mentioned this in a post above. (Note—we ran it in ’97, right after Neil Smith took off for the Donkey show. DT was a monster that year).
I think you, Pam, and myself are on the same page with team-building. I don’t regret Scott bagging Cassel—he was the QB we needed at the time, and frankly better lines would have helped him (a little) by adding confidence in his protections.
But we really, really needed to go big or go home with the lines and in a much more serious way than we have.
MN is right—it’s not like the GM blew off the lines, he did go out and get guys every year to make them better. And he will probably do it again this year. I just wish he’d done more, right off the bat, then he did.
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
draft picks
2009 3 out of 9 (4 if you count TE) were DL and OL picks
2010 1 out of 7 (2 if you count TE)
2011 3 out of 9.
7 out of 25 = 28%
was just curious of the figure.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I don't disagree with this, mostly
However, there were a ton of holes to fill across the whole team and I think that they did a decent job of spreading the draft picks and FA pick ups across all the areas. Unfortunately in today’s league, coaches and GMs get far too little time to show success. So, they had to try to fill as many holes as possible across the team to try to show at least some incremental success.
Just as Haley is seen as not credible for playing Palko now, he also could not be credible playing Thigpen. They are the same guy.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Thiggy's far more mobile than Palko ...
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Dude could run, for sure
And he had a better arm (I cannot believe I just said that about Tyler Thigpen, but it’s true)
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I was going to but didn't want to be seen as going overboard
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
let's just agree
that Thiggy is FAR more identical to Palko than he is to Steve Young…or even Vince Young. I generally do not want that kind of qb.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Thigpen is the guy you leave in there for the '09 season while you go OL-crazy.
And look for talented WRs who’ve maybe gone overlooked. Get those pieces in place, so that when you DO go rich at QB, he’s in a good situation. You’re looking for GREATNESS, and I differ with almost everybody in wanting the QB-WR to be a finishing touches. I don’t want my 1st-round QB to have to prove himself by taking a beating for the first two years of his career. Seems like a lot of ‘em do just that, but it doesn’t seem to be the soundest approach.
Indianapolis had a lot of pieces in place before they brought in Manning. Their OL is currently in a trough. That’s the one thing that makes me believe they might want to trade out of the #1 spot. If they go ahead and take Luck, I can see 2012 being an ugly season for Peyton, and Luck getting the starting job by default, and struggling in his turn, because they’re overmatched up front.
would of ≠ would've
I think a lot of us overlook how many games Thigpen played hurt.
They just remember something wrong with his passes, but he was on the cusp of doing some good things and suffered a chest injury, and just kept on playing. I thought he’d paid his dues, and deserved another look, with another offseason of OL and WR build.
That was the kind of nuts-and-bolts team-build I was looking for. The thing about needing team-wide upgrade is you START with the trenches, not only because it can take such a long time, but because it maximizes your chance of keeping your LBs/RBs/QBs healthy and gives the best situation for the roster-churn to turn up guys at LB/RB/QB who can make your team better.
The irony of this whole discussion is that if Pioli would have done the kinds of things I wanted in 2009 and 2010, then I would’ve been on-board with people wanting to go after QB in the first round as early as 2011, and almost CERTAINLY by 2012, assuming they never discovered their own Tom Brady by that time. We could’ve been a player for Donovan McNabb this last offseason, and had a team good enough for him to make some real noise in the playoffs. Big enough arm to make all the throws, and mobile enough if the front 5 are basically 2 high draft picks ahead of where the Chiefs are, after 3 years in Pioli’s hands. (Pretty inexcusable.)
would of ≠ would've
by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
With you except for McNabb....he was never an accurate passer, and now he's just criminally bad.
Still has some zip on the throws, but if they land in a DB’s arms instead who cares if you have a cannon?
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
reminds me of Brodie Croyle =P
/jab upamtn
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Good call
Vrabel did some good things for us, Arenas has turned into a good nickel CB and excellent returner, and Cassel… well it made sense to take the shot I guess…
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I follow the reasoning or can make UP a rationale that makes sense.
But I still would’ve picked the best lineman I could find with the 3rd pick of the 2nd round. I’m sure an instant starter was to be had.
would of ≠ would've
Actually, this team is one or two offensive linemen away from being BETTER than the team that Montana joined.
The BBBs, Moeaki, Charles, pretty good depth with Copper and Urban. Wouldn’t take much more production from the BBBs to sustain more drives and work those bench players onto the field and run the legs off opposing secondaries.
Montana had a HOF-grade LT in John Alt, albeit on his last legs, IIRC. KC’s d-line and interior o-line were the match of ‘most anybody’s during a good, long span, but their tackle play for most of the ‘90s was a decisive difference, as was their lack of bona fide targets at wideout. They did NOT field the kind of big, fast, running-game-extending WRs that Joe had in SF. The unsung aspect of the West Coast offense in those days was you give those wideouts enough room to keep them from getting behind you, and they’d just catch short passes that were almost a guaranteed 8 yards, and they’d get behind you FAST if you cheated up to stop that.
KC was well-equipped to FIGHT that west coast stuff, because they were one of very few teams who could just bring their corners up, jam at the line, and blitz at will up front. They just never had the all-around offense to match, imo. At crunch time, when you HAD to pass, the outside pass rush was just too deadly.
Anyhoo, if KC just got as good on the interior o-line as those Montana teams, they’d be a better overall team. The thing I hated about KC going West Coast was they seemed to think it was just a matter of the lingo and a QB who understood the system. They really didn’t build a dominant WR corps to go with it. SF was every bit as big and athletic up front on offense as any of those KC teams, and SF was BETTER at WR, right along.
I hated the Mike Cloud and Greg Hill and Larry Johnson picks at RB, when they still were failing to develop their own OL and WR talent. As great as our interior 3 were, they had a harder and harder time getting movement up front as games wore on. The whole theory of ball control was topsy-turvy with those teams. They won a lot of games by waiting to open-up the passing game ‘til late, but they were always stuck in the position of having to come back, and living and dying by the very part of their offense Marty didn’t trust or have much talent.
Instead of being PROUD of Bono for earning the title “Mr. Comeback,” I agonized over the fact that they put themselves into a hole, week in and week out, instead of having a better play mix the whole game. If you can play higher risk and score TDs 60% of the time in the crunch, why not go all-out the whole game and score TDs on 60% of your drives, in the first place?
This is gonna bite Tebow this year, at some point. The teams that have their shit together are going to snuff that offense and build insurmountable leads. Good chance that’s what NE does this Sunday, although they have some real weaknesses to overcome in their secondary. But knowing Belichick, I think he’ll just attack that offense like the college offense it is, and not allow his D-coordinator to play conventional cover-2 shit.
would of ≠ would've
i have to disagree here
O wise..
OL no
TE no
WR yes
RB HELL NO
D wise.. ill take the old D
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
If we WANTED, would could incorporate a system much like that into KC, right now.
That’s why I keep saying “Joe Philbin” for coach, even though we all suspect it’ll be some usual NE/Parcells retread.
1) If we bring in an OC who is familiar with receivers, we could refine these guys’ games just slightly and really have ourselves a passing game. Coach Anderson has made them better blockers and (until Bowe this year) better hands-catchers….but our guys’ routes still look like shite.
2) Accuracy accuracy accuracy from QB…Cassel looks like he’s made to be a WCO passer EXCEPT for his mental processing and his right/wrong passer accuracy. At this point, is it worth it to go WC with a man who can’t put the ball on the numbers/in the breadbasket during a game six times out of ten? Is this where we spend the money on Matt Flynn? (Note, will never happen). And no, I don’t think Orton is a WC guy—he’s neither athletic enough not accurate enough, although his passes land in the hands better than Cassel’s do.
3) Our line is not as far away as we think it is. If we find a C/find a LG and leave Hudson in the lineup, the middle of our line will be a lot stronger and will allow the backs the chance to do some damage in the second level or on those fun interior screens we used to see.
But…these are daydreams of mine. We’ll probably trot out Josh McDaniels and run more damned tricky plays based off of the Erhardt system, and blah blah blah because frankly, I haven’t seen proof that our GM is willing/able to think outside his box. And if his issue with Haley started with personnel and extended to authority, well, I don’t see him mixing it up for “Hire 2.0.”
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be safer
and cost less to trade up for RG or Barkley
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Definitely cheaper.
Depending on how the season plays out we might not even have to trade up for either of those guys.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Barkley any good
I watched parts of Sttanford Usc and Luck had some silly mistakes I saw but didn`t watch Barkley very close.
I think we would
if we want any of them, I can see them going 1,2,and 3 right off the bat.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Good point.
Even if we got up to 5 or 6 and were ahead of the Skins and Fins we would still have to move up to make sure we get our guy. Something tells me St. Louis isn’t going to have a hard time trading out of the #2 spot.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
St louis
would be my bet, I think they like what they have in Bradford. even with the regression, but I blame that on his new OC.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
"Blame on his his new OC"
Oh, you mean our new HC next year if the buffoon at the top of this thread really has his way?
That's the one !!!
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sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
You know, it's tough to say
McD is a guy I seriously dislike, but he was able to make DEN a pretty good offensive team without a decent running game.
STL got KILLED by injuries to their OL and WR corps.
If McD is brought in as HC I may very well kill someone. As OC? I wouldn’t necessarily like it, but I’d at least wait and see.
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C'mon MN, learn forgiveness
I’d much rather have him come in as OC, but if HC is the only way to get him here I’m okay with that. I see him as our only hope for the offense.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
His time in DEN was an abject failure
No way I want him as HC or with any say over personnel whatsoever.
He’s got a good feel for X’s and O’s though. Which is why I wouldn’t mind him here as OC
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It`s clear QB makes the whole team better
Get a Qb that can throw for chunks not just broken play swing pass to backs. Open up the field a bit keep our defense off the field and for god sake spend some money in free agency. It drives me nuts that Pioli cuts himself off from a lot of talent because their not the right 53, wholesale change in philosophy and make a difference next season and I want a HC that isn`t already here and not McD
Why do we have any problems with Matt Cassell?
Cassell is not this team’s problem.
Because we've maxed out our potential as a team with him at QB.
He’s like the offenses version of Belcher. They’ve both been feasible starters for the last three years, they occasionally show flashes of brilliance but aren’t consistent enough to be long term solutions.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Need new blood but Pioli probably won`t make change
Agreed
I’m not going to hold my breath on Cassel going anywhere or being replaced. If we’re to believe that Haley and Pioli weren’t seeing eye to eye then I’d bet my lunch money that Cassel was issue #1.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think Palko was the last straw
for all of us
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
I think Palko was just Haleys attempt to get fired because he refused to publicly quit on his players.
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by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I agree. Keyshawn was breaking down the 3 teams that fired HC's
He said in deciding the best available job you have to consider the owner, the GM, and the team’s QB. When he got to the Chiefs he said the GM is looking for a puppet coach because the GM wants to control everything and that KC doesn’t have a QB. I get a feeling this came directly from his good friend Todd, and isn’t just speculation.
by Chiefs_KC on Dec 17, 2011 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
did I miss that on Audibles
I turned it on about 3-4 minutes late
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
seems a lot of people have said that same thing ... ie, that Pioli is looking for a "puppet" coach
and that’s what he’ll get … wouldn’t be at all shocked if it was McHoodie (wouldn’t like it a bit, but wouldn’t be surprised)
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Too early to draw conclusions
And as far as “a lot” goes, given how nat’l media copycats itself constantly, all you need is one guy saying something for a fire to start.
You may be right in the end. Not enough evidence at this point.
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But McHoodie's not a puppet kind of guy.
But he wouldn’t have to be if he sees eye-to-eye with Pioli.
I do think Hoodie would be more likely to do things that gave him the best chance of winning right away, rather than install a system and then get the players to suit it.
I’d’ve stuck with the Arrowspread, until I got good enough talent to push things in another direction. In general, I’d’ve been for more of a gradualist realization of my vision, rather than scrapping everything and starting all over, like Pioli and Haley did. That’s the thing about coaches like Mike Tomlin and Mike McCarthy. They see the main chance with the guys they have and they go with it.
McHoodie’s a lot like that, but lack of depth at DB and up front took that 1st-year vision and scrapped it. IIRC, that was a year when Champ had lots of injuries and just about everybody on their O- and D-lines got nicked, with nobody to really take their place. Good chance they’d’ve taken Tyson Jackson if KC hadn’t. If I didn’t think McHoodie had real integrity issues, I’d be OK with him. I want a guy to look for every possible, ETHICAL advantage, but not a guy who’ll always be bending the rules. If I can’t win fair and square, then I don’t want to win.
would of ≠ would've
There were real failures in talent assessment in 2009.
That’s forgivable, all things considered. But much as everybody seems to love the 2010 draft, I think that a year into it, they should’ve realized their serious needs up front and done more about it. What they did was add some toys that let them win 10 games against weak competition, but Asamoah, while good, was pretty much IT. Lilja and Wiegs? Not bad, but for the NEW guys to give you a reputation as the smallest line in the league says you’re looking for the wrong new guys!
would of ≠ would've
Before Palko Stepped In
We were having the same offensive problems with Cassel. He’s too inconsistent and like Palko he just doesn’t have the physical ability to match his drive and passion for the game.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 17, 2011 4:37 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Do you think Palko ?
Could have gone 11-5 with the Patriots or won the division last year? HA!
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
"Shut up"?
I don’t think so. Who are you to tell me to shut up? Also, I didn’t just say his “one good year with the Patriots”.
I also talked about him winning the division last year.
I see you didn’t respond to whether Palko would have done either.
Good insight though.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
I like Palko
but I also feel I can throw harder than him…
Since he is supposed to be an NFL QB, that is probably not a good thing. It’s a shame too, because with better arm strength I think Tyler Palko could have done both of those things. I think he has better overall “Vrabels” than Matt Cassel.
As they say, it is what it is and Palko being who he is could not have accomplished Matt Cassel’s feats with his soft south paw hurling the pigskin.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Palko is an absolutely terrible QB without the arm required to play at an NFL level
The fact that Cassel is better than him means only that Cassel isn’t an absolutely terrible QB.
And he’s not. But he’s certainly not a consistently good one either.
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No I don't
I also don’t see Palko even making the Pats practice squad, but that’s irrelevant to the fact that Cassel is not the QB we need to be contenders year in and year out.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 17, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
When not on his back he plays good most of the time
by Bilk on Dec 17, 2011 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cassel reminds me a lot of Caleb Hanie in Chicago.
You can see he’s making lots of mistakes, but you see a LOT of it flowing from not trusting what he’s gonna get. And all too often, when, by sheer WILL, he DOES trust what he’s gonna get, he is rewarded by a face-plant, or a season-ending hand injury, because there’s a pass rusher in his face every time he throws the ball.
Sure, a Jay Cutler can make something happen for you, for a time, but the sands run quick through that hourglass, and there’s just too good a chance you’re going to be down to your Hanie at some point during the season. And even if Jay Cutler makes it through the season, that OL is just NOT getting the job done. And in Chicago’s case, neither are the WRs.
would of ≠ would've
Pioli and Cassel are not the problems
With that said, this is a defining moment for Pioli. If he hires the wrong HC, i.e., McDaniel’s, he’s done. The fans will storm Arrowhead and riot. If he gets it right, the team will continue to move in the right direction.
It looks to me like Crennel will get the job. At first I didn’t like the move, but now I think it may be a good one, as long as he has the right defensive coordinator to fill his spot.
More importantly, they HAVE to get the offensive coordinator nonsense figured out.
That’s one of my defenses for Cassel. He’s already had five since he’s been there.
Additionally, this “regime” has only been in place for less than three years.
Herm Edwards had three years. Which would you prefer?
The real problems on the Chiefs are both sides of the lines. Fix them and you’ll have a dynamic offense and a terrific defense and the Chiefs are easily the best team in the AFC West.
They clearly have the most talent in the division.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Pioli and Cassel are not the problems?
have to disagree … and totally disagree that Herm Edwards had three years, he was hamstrung by Carl Peterson for the first two years he was here (but of course you know that as well as any of us)
Cassel is NOT a great awesome QB (as you’re also aware) and he’s most definitely Pioli’s pet project … now, I’ll be the first to grant that the OLine (especially) needs work, but that’s something that by all rights should have been addressed in Pioli’s first year here, a year that he used to “evaluate” … and brought in a patchwork QB (Cassel) and ditched Herm Edwards (who was responsible for getting us our core players that we’ve since built the team around)
Pioli’s wasted an entire year already, and now more than that with his petty differences with Haley instead of truly working to resolve issues and get us the talent and depth we need
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Talent, period.
Depth will take care of itself, if they just get better starters.
But yeah, they’re a year or two behind where the COULD be in the trenches, right now.
would of ≠ would've
If 5 OC's have given up on Cassel then maybe he's the problem
by Chiefs_KC on Dec 17, 2011 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can't fix accuracy completely--some of it's just natural. And you can't coach a guy's mental processing skills.
He doesn’t/can’t read and react fast enough to run things effectively, without a spread system of some sort to “tip the defense’s hand” before the snap. And frankly, if a passer can’t hit the hands/numbers six times out of ten in the NFL, he needs to not be passing.
LOVE everything about #7 and his game….EXCEPT for the above. And that’s why it’s time for a change.
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
what do you think about clark hunt saying he wants to build the chiefs to model
the steelers.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
If Clark really means that....
Then I don’t see how he lets Pioli get away with putting Cassel on the field because Cassel =/= Roethlisberger and even that soccer loving fruit should be able to see that.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Multiple SB rings, Long tenured coach's, Great defense's
What’s not to like.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
In order to that, you need consistency
So, you don’t change offensive coordinator every six months, head coaches every three years, QB’s every eight hours, and get rid of the GM after a bad year.
This team is headed in the right direction.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Lost was Herm Edwards
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Herm brought in talent though
Bowe Charles Hali Albert both CB`s
And did what with them?
Charles sat on the bench. Hali did nothing. Johnson was an afterthought.
Pioli brought in McCluster, Berry, Arenas, Houston, Baldwin (who I think will be a star), as well as others. No, they didn’t all work out, they never do.
He didn’t add depth, and he’s admitted that and he needs to correct it.
Herm Edwards did squat. Haley deserves far more credit for getting these guys to play than Herm.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
He wasn`t a good coach but currently he`s responsible for all of our Pro Bowlers
Granted it took a few years for development but their our core guys and I do like Baldwin and Houston but McCluster sucks. he`s not elusive he can`t break tackles and he`s just not worthy of 5th overall pick in 2nd round
He may not have been worth that pick
However, I don’t think they use him correctly.
For the life of me, I don’t see why he’s not used in more screens, short quick passes, etc.
To run him out of the back field is silly.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
They're only getting him the ball on pre-planned quick passes, before defenses expand.
There’s not good enough protection and not enough QB-HB chemistry to get him the ball AFTER the D’s broken-down/expanded a little bit.
McCluster’s plenty elusive, imo. But for all the talk of getting him the ball in space, they do not succeed in doing that very often. On a better balanced offense, McCluster’s the dagger in the heart. With a better QB, McCluster’s a bigger OW. At this point, he’s not effective enough in pass pro’ to be a really good every-down player. So they’re limited in what they can dial up with him on the field, imo. Those up-the-gut runs are just another attempt to be somewhat versatile on offense with him in there.
With the guys they have, I’d just as soon they draft a tall DB, and train Arenas to be an every-down back. Arenas is pretty close to my ideal measurables and abilities for all-around RB. If I thought he was any good in pass pro’, I’d be tempted to start him yesterday! Have my own Darren Sproles…
would of ≠ would've
I thought Carl was the GM
so, isn’t he responsible for those players?
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Carl got a couple, but a lot of our current core group came in the 2008 draft, and that Herm's effort
Carl wanted to keep on with the Vermeil leftovertures for years and years …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
so your story is that the GM of the Chiefs
in 2008 simply abdicated the draft to his HC? no way.
I know you like Herm and want to give him credit for those players. He definitely has shared credit. But, those guys are more due to the scouts/GM as always. Same as the players today are to Pioli primarily – although Haley definitely had input.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Herm and Carl sat down with Clark after lamar passed away, and that was when Herm finally convinced Clark that the old Vermeil team was over the hill
he wanted to start a rebuild sooner but Carl wanted to win one for the Gipper Lamar and thought that old team had one or two shots left
and yes, give credit to the scouts (the same scouts that Pioli chose to completely ignore in 2009)
believe what you want, kabrink
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I understand and agree that herm wanted to go young immediately
but that’s not my point. You’re claiming that he picked those players. And as MN points out they had 12 fricking picks. They BETTER get somebody. I still say Carl was more responsible for those guys.
As to the scouts, as I said the other days somewhere, go read the book about Belichick. It describes those scouts acting unprofessionally and disrespecting their new boss. I don’t blame him for having no confidence in them.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Irony?
Herm, the head coach, is responsible for the great players on this team now, not Carl Peterson, the GM.
Yet Pioli, the GM, is responsible for the bad players on this team now, not Haley, the head coach.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 17, 2011 10:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Carl got a couple, but a lot of our current core group came in the 2008 draft, and that Herm’s effort
That’s a load of crap. The 2008 draft was in part very good because of a trade CP hd swung for a bunch of extra picks, and because they got kinda lucky with JC.
And it’s also bull to give Herm exclusive credit for a good draft but absolve him of all blame for the mistakes of the previous 2 years.
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yeah and at one point jc was going to be a redskin if they would of given up a 3rd pick
the chiefs wanted a third the skins said 4th the chiefs said no
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's on Pioli
but a good GM should listen and consider all offers. And make low offers for other team’s players.
JC was not a proven commodity at the time.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
yeah they were in love with LJ
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if they were in love with him.
I just think they saw a guy that had once been highly productive and hoped that they could bring him into line and have a stop gap talent until they could get the rebuild under way. Remember, at the time, LJ was saying all the right things and acting like he would come into line. Of course, that’s just impossible for him.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
LJ was a discontented barometer for the state of the KC OL.
There was a time when Priest Holmes and LJ were a pretty devastating 1-2 punch. Run that stretch play (or whatever you call it), find the weak spot and follow your blockers for the guaranteed positive yardage and the every-down possibility of busting it for more.
LJ was a liability in pass pro’, and not that effective in the screen game. Holmes was like a Marshall Faulk, in terms of all-around play, and exceptional running.
But I still thought Carl was a fool to spend such a high pick on LJ, when the biggest hole on that team was on the DL, followed by mediocre safety play (great athletes, but liabilities in coverage).
would of ≠ would've
Meet the new regime same as the old regime
1 playoff appearance for herm and a loss 1 playoff appearance for Pioli and a loss
That playoff appearance had NOTHING to do with Herm
That was the team that Vermeil left him.
Haley, on the other hand started with the team Edwars left him.
In one year, he turned that around and went to the playoffs
What did Edwards do after his first year?
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
You think this year is a fair assessment?
First the lock out, followed by Haley’s mis-placed strategy.
Then you lose Charles, Berry, Moeaki and Cassel, with Palko as the back-up and you really think this is a valid year to judge this team?
Also, no back-up for tight end, or running back. What would you expect?
The offense didn’t give up 89 points in the first two games.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
you think making Herm out to be a failure when he inherited an aging team (that he still took to the playoss despite major injuries) is a fair assessment?
Herm wanted and needed to start the youth movement when he got to KC, but King Carl wouldn’t allow it, and instead saw an old team grow even older and more decrepit …
it wasn’t until Lamar passed away and Clark took over that Herm was allowed (by Clark) to start the badly needed rebuild … a rebuild that he had ONE season to work on (2008)
so please, let’s not talk about “fair” here since you’re not using the term appropriately yourself, ok?
ok! (angelic smile)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
i think some of the age on the team was that peterson was trying to make one more run at the super bowl while lamar hunt was still alive.
just my opinion
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
that's precisely what Peterson was hoping for ...
it was a flaw in his logic as the “window of opportunity” had closed due to age (and then injuries to Green, etc) but that was his hope and “reasoning” at the time, yes
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Edwards wasn't to blame.
But prospects of the future under Herm didn’t look all that bright, either.
would of ≠ would've
Herm was a joke
He was with the Jets and he was in KC.
There is simply no question. I can’t remember the last time I heard someone support him.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
just a bit ago when I supported him
yes, he took both the Jets and the Chiefs to the playoffs … obviously a HORRIBLE coach, right
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
dear civic minded citizen: your vote has been duly noted and appropriately shredded
yrs truly,
Mayor Richard M Daly
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
that's ok
I’ll go register some dead people and vote again.
Mayor Richard Daley Jr.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Apparently that doesn't happen ever here in America
There’s no such thing as voter fraud. Didn’t you know it’s all a conspiracy to steal votes from Democrats?
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you probably know my beliefs but I'm going to skip politics tonight!
don’t want to light that torch
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
yeah, I don't know why I said that
I’ve stayed out of that stuff a lot more the last half year.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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Good for you, let others burn the bridges :)
AP’s got enough angst these days as it is.
"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.
by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Tyler Palko for president!!
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To counter Ups
Herm could have told Carl not to trade for him if he was not going to bend on the roster.
Maybe Herm never wanted to go to the Chiefs and Carl made him, but I doubt that. Herm was given a task and he failed.
The arguments for Herm and Todd both point back to Clark Hunt saying he wants to be like the Steelers. It ain’t gonna work if you keep your firing pimp hand strong.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
I`m enjoying our little back and forth zayla
I think current regime needs to find more talent. The depth thing is on them and only them. Yes I think we can judge the team this year because everyone had a lock out and although Haley had a weird training camp that`s no excuse for this seson. MY gripe is that Pioli hash`t gotten enough good players since he`s been here especially this last offseason. Why do you think we are so far$ wise under the cap?
I agree
They lack depth. They’ve also signed Johnson, Hali and Berry to big contracts.
They also know they have to deal with Bowe and Flowers, and they damn well better sign them.
I don’t think any team in the NFL could have lost an one of the best running backs, top safeties, number one tight end and starting QB and been expected to do much.
Yes, injuries are part of the game, but this year was just beyond weird.
They have some serious work to do in this off-season. I think they all know, from Hunt down that their fans are losing it and it’s time.
They have a good, great core of players now and they are at a cross roads.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
yes, Pioli brought in Dex (who's done nothing of note) ... Baldwin (a diva) ... McGee, Cassel (oh joy!) ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
except run up the gut for no gain
whats his insurance at loyd’s of london.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
a lot, I hope :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It's weird that while doing nothing but running up the gut for no gain
He’s been able to rush for 426 yards while averaging 4.5 YPC, while throwing in an extra couple hundred receiving yards.
Those numbers, on our offense, make him our biggest contributor not named Dwayne Bowe this year.
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yeah i like mccluster but he's going to get hurt running up th gut .
put the guy in space and how many more yards might he have
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I’m just saying that despite being used improperly he’s produced.
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I'm not against McCluster running up the gut.
If the edge threats are big enough and productive enough, defenders are going to get wrong-footed when he goes up the gut. Plus the play-action game has to include some possibly futile runs up the middle, regardless of who’s in the backfield. If they don’t show that willingness to run Dex up the middle, then defenses don’t have to play it honest, and that’s the death-knell of the offense.
Still, I’d be one to test the edges and establish that threat, and work that up-the-gut stuff in as a deadly change-up.
would of ≠ would've
How has Baldwin done anything resembling a diva?
By getting into a confrontation with a guy who’s been in fights on every team he’s played for?
And you may wanna check Dex’s stats. Given how pathetic our entire offense has been, the fact that he’s actually producing at a decent rate is nothing short of astonishing.
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by arguing with The Franchise (Jamaal) the day before that on the practice field ...
and why was he arguing with The Franchise? because The Franchise was upset with The Diva … and that was because The Diva was dogging it in practice
when The Franchise told The Diva that his practice habits left much to be desire, The Diva took offense and several other players had to intervene … the next day, of course, was when The Enforcer and The Diva had their tete-a-tete
the rest, as they say, is history
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I heard some guy told his friend's boss's cousin's uncle's daughter's lawyer's secretary
That Baldwin saw TJ at a party and pretended he didn’t know him.
TJ got real mad and left him a mean voicemail.
So Baldwin wrote “wash me” on TJ’s dirty car to get back at him and told his friends not to talk to TJ anymore.
So TJ tripped him in front of the entire school and everyone laughed.
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well hey, I was close :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It was a really dramatic day at KC High :)
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c'mon ups, name ANY GM that makes no mistakes
Pioli has drafted as well as any GM in the NFL since he’s been in KC
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Zayla, you and I will simply forever have to disagree
Herrm had this team headed in the RIGHT direction … the fact that King Carl prevented him from doing so for two years seems to be something that you (and others) conveniently overlook (or refuse to acknowledge)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
HERM???
He had this team headed in the right direction???
Are you really serious?
Herm? As in Herm Edwards? Are we talking about the same Herm?
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Herm
is right where he should be.
If Herm ever coaches again, please let it be in Oak,Denver or SD.
I think Herm would be a good college coach
My NFL team is more broken then yours!
It amazes me that colleges haven't come knocking...
I think Herm could do very well in college. Penn State needs some one that positive.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Herm
He would be a hellava recruiter.
Maybe he loves just talking.
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
Well that is just a fact... not a maybe.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think it is a great idea
but only if you follow through with the plan… booting your head coach in three years is terrible follow through on the Pittsburgh plan.
Mr. Hunt you’re doing it wrong.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
Well said.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 17, 2011 4:44 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd strongly suggest that you (and anyone else who hasn't yet) read THIS post ...
talking about the Steelers and their Head Coach, among others
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Well written. The insane amount if years in which we have not attempted to draft a franchise QB I think is directly linked to our playoff drought. Montana was the last guy who won us a playoff game, that is just ridiculous. We have a lot of talent but some big glaring holes. Obviously the Steelers way is not quite what we are doing as we have another HC who didn’t last and I don’t see any prospects out there that make me feel we are going to get a 10+ year guy to make us contenders.
HC and QB and upgrade the right side of the friggin line already. Even RAC should be able to get us playoff wins if we fix our needs.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 17, 2011 4:43 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
clark hunt meet bill cowher
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Bring Cowher back to Arrowhead!!!
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by ChiefsFanForever on Dec 17, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
And we disagree.
But in the end, we ALL just want what’s best for our team.
by ChiefsFanForever on Dec 17, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
That, I agree with
But the fun of this stuff is our different opinions of how to get there.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
In the end ...
All I want is to have my dream of Chiefs hoisting the Lombardi Trophy over their heads once before I die … and I’m only 36. Bwahahahhaa!!!
by ChiefsFanForever on Dec 17, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Id rather have a FO guy from pitt, over Cowher
Tomlin is alot better then Cowher.
One thing in common, somebody is getting them good players
My NFL team is more broken then yours!
Agreed
They consistenly churn out good players, year after year after year.
It’s very impressive.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
cowher is a consistant playoff contender just like marty was
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
and Tomlin
is the next level, not hoping to go to the SB, but expected to win it.
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
Now to be fair... Big Ben has a lot to do with that
Give Cowher a QB like him and I think they’d have been a genuine SB contender every year as well.
But the main point still stands. Their FO guy does a consistenly fantastic job. Look at all the talent that’s in PIT, then think of how many guys they’ve let WALK in the last half decade.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Yep, he's overrated
but only because some around here expect him to win 3 super bowls in a row here.
He’s a good coach, but he ain’t god.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Why do Chief fans have such a hard on for Cowher??
He is NOT coming to the Chiefs!
He wants total control and he’s not going to get it in KC.
He is not coming to KC, get over it, wipe away your tears and move on.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
He'll get whatever Mr. Hunt decides he wants him to get.
by ChiefsFanForever on Dec 17, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
No he won't
Because Pioli is the GM for now and he’s not going anywhere for a while.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
Hunt is still the boss...
He who signs the checks, wields the power.
by ChiefsFanForever on Dec 17, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
and he has said once again that he's not coaching next year
-although, I’ll grant that they always say that.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
i wouldn't say overrated he had the steelers in the playoffs alot in his tenure
i think clark hunt will decide the next coach
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
trying to attribute that to Cowher is kind of like our current situation with trying to emulate New England
The Steelers organization is good, from top to bottom. The HC is just part of that. Plugging Cowher in here in KC and expecting the same results is like putting single Mustang part in your Focus and expecting it to be Mustang fast.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 17, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Something very profound could happen with the Chiefs
fan base in the next three games. We know Orton is just an average quarterback, but suppose with Haley out of the offensive play calling tiumvirate the offense actually moves the ball. We have seen Cassel struggle for the last three years. What is everyone going to think when an average quarterback comes in and has some success? Could be very interesting to say the least.
"The Hammer"
Worst case scenario, IMO, isn't if Orton looks terrible, or Stanzi comes in and looks terrible
It’s that one of them does just ENOUGH to make management think that QB isn’t a glaring need.
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on paper orton got a legit shot at the qb spot next year
no manning or if the chiefs make no trades for a qb, and pioli allows for open competition for the right 53
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
I believe Orton beats out Cassel in an open competition
And Stanzi is a hundred to one shot.
So yeah, I can see Orton getting it. But is he good enough? I don’t believe so…
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I would agree, except the worst case scenario has already happened.
We are at least 5 years from any significant turnaround on this team.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Minus Todd haley?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Who cares MN.
Who cares.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Bad day?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
No--great day for me
Bad day for the chiefs. I know that you and many others may disagree, but hey, who cares what I think?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
It's not a one or the other from me
Like I’ve said, I don’t agree with how the firing went down, but I can understand the football side of it.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Understanding the football side of it
and agreeing with the direction it takes the team are very different things. Most here will find fault with my objection so i don’t feel like making the argument. Have a great Christmas. It’s going to be a long, long time before the Chiefs will.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
You too Aiken
I’m withholding judgment until I see what they do about HC.
If Pioli tries to throw McDaniels in there (at HC) I may join you in a rousing game of “sling hand grenades at Pioli’s house”
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I care about what you think Aiken.
While I disagree with you on Haley, I still respect your opinion and your input. You make lots of good points that many of us don’t think about.
by Mr.Pibbs on Dec 17, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
“I’m so fat!”
“No you’re not, you look great!”
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
That was unkind and uncalled for.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Ah c'mon, I was messing around
Should’ve added a smiley face.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
So... why?
I’ve been wondering for several posts now.
Making sure no one misunderstands me? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Haha thanks
Got tired of seeing people flame me?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Nope. Got tired of people misunderstanding your satire posts.
Even though I agree with you about 90% of the time.
Haha thanks
Could’ve used you saying “satire” BEFORE Aiken got mad at me here though.
Next time, i expect you to get here more quickly, all right?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Cruel is a better characterization
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
And dramatic would be a good characterization for this convo
You gotta admit, your little exchange there bore a striking resemblence to the exchange I put up there :).
Hey, we all fish for compliments sometimes, man. Especially when we’re feeling down.
And for the record, I care what you think about the Chiefs too!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
It's ok MN
Keep wailing away. I am only here to be somebody’s punching bag. Kicking a fan when they are down is exactly what this site is all about, right?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
You're an adult, Aiken.
I made a joke. I didn’t kick you in the stomach.
Sorry if it stung that bad, but dude, you’re being very melodramatic.
I honestly thought it’d get a laugh out of people.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
That's right
I’m an adult. That doesn’t lessen the pain when one is trivialized. It’s all good. This is what this site is about—when you are wrong you are wrong. I was on the wrong side of the Haley fence. Pummel away and don’t stop until the site colors red from the blood of your conquest.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Um... your feet stink too?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Sorry
I don’t understand.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Well you told me to pummel away...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Sorry...
I still don’t get it.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Well, if I'm gonna pummel away
I’m getting personal.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Um, I am sorry for being dense
but I still don’t understand.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Do you think that people put you and Todd Haley getting fired in the same group?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
No...
Todd Haley was the coach of the Chiefs and you are just a fan that likes to write about his favorite team. Like a lot of us on here.
Todd Haley shouldn’t have been fired and some days I wish I was as polarizing a figure as you are on AP… you get great response.
Despite our disagreements on whatever, you should feel pride in your accomplishments here.
Always remember, no reaction is a bad reaction unless there is no reaction at all… you affect people on a day to day basis, based off the work you have done here.
To me, that counts for something.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
I sincerely thank you for that
I take it as a huge compliment. Even though I am “just a fan”. :) Trust me, you don’t want to be as polarizing a figure as me…too many people simply hate your guts. To those that have enjoyed what I have to say, I am humbled. Where it goes now is uncertain. Thanks CBO. You see things as they are instead of how they are colored. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
You too Aiken
I can’t tell you how many times I have felt down about this team… only to read your posts and go… oh, I didn’t think of it that way.
I owe you Aiken… Merry Christmas to you too.
My goal is to have my opinion head, not loved. If I am hated or loved it doesn’t matter. I just want my opinion to be felt and you can be rest assured that your opinion is felt.
People mention you when you are never around. That is great for a blogger… you could really take this somewhere if you tried… no doubt in my mind.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks CBO
I’m just too damn ignorant of how to make good on that. Happy New Year. :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Aiken_Drum
You are a great writer and you spent a good portion of your time this year entertaining Chiefs fans and giving some doubters hope.
No one is kicking you right now, I think MN is doing his best to relate to you.
Cheer up man…
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
I MAY have picked the wrong time to joke around...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
There is never a wrong time to joke around....
okay well never say never, I guess.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks CBO
but some defeats cannot be overcome. I now only accept that fate that the football gods predestined for me.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
We haven no chance.
The Packers offense will roll over this defense just as they have every team they have played this season. Romeo will try his best, but this teams psyche is stretched so thin it cannot handle overcoming this type of foe. Prepare for more of what we have already seen this season.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Orton and stanzi get hurt
And Palko’s gonna lead the upset
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
Now THAT
would be ironic…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
For the Chiefs
They can’t go to the Super Bowl
However, they can at least stop and undefeated streak and beat the potential Super bowl champion.
That has to count for something in the locker room.
As for Palko… hopefully they have hmmm doing constant left arm shake weights. Get him ready.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Ironic?
No, for this team, that would be PAR for the course.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
It's gotten tough to predict what to expect week to week, for sure
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
The Chiefs losing sucks...
Haley getting fired sucks, but we were never once wrong to have hope.
On the bright side. Listening to Crennel has been fun.
The Chiefs have an opportunity to keep moving forward.
Justin Houston is a stud.
Jerrell Powe looks promising.
Jonathan Baldwin can catch passes with pro bowl safeties attached to the ball.
Branden Albert is a great left tackle IMO.
Rodney Hudson looks beastly.
Javier Arenas is improving weekly in coverage.
Derrick Johnson is a monster.
Tamba Hali eats donkey’s whole.
Allen Bailey is coming around… looks like he is gator hunting.
Steve Breaston just makes plays.
Kendrick Lewis will be a great safety for years to come.
The Brandon’s can cover.
Dustin Colquitt is the best punter in the league somedays.
Succop has been money most of the season, even past 50.
We are less than 10 months away from the return of
Jamaal Charles
Eric Berry
Gabe Miller
Tony Moeaki
Brandon Siler?
Matt Cassel
The Chiefs play tomorrow
and beer is still great cold.
Smile, we will win again!
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
All of which was created on Todd Haley's watch
Will it continue to improve or will it regress? We now have Bill Muir and Jim Zorn in charge of the offense. Romeo has intentionally distanced himself from these two by his actions. Whether or not they succeed is now irrelevant. If they succeed, he will replace them next season because it will prevent controversey. If they don’t succeed, he will replace them next season because they suck. This team is going to go through major changes and any positive results from that will take time. The process continues it’s tedious nature and right now, I’m not in the mood to be ok with that.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
I agree Todd Haley and Scott Pioli get the credit for this team.
but I don’t want them to FFF up what they built.
This organization needs to be focused, calculating and move on. They are in a position to succeed immediately.
Yet, they could just as easily screw it up.
I don’t want that to happen… do you?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
But my belief in their ability to not let that happen has been badly assaulted.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
and rightfully so.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I want them to replace some coaches
But you are forgetting something vital…
An entire offseason.
The Chiefs have accumulated three years of game film on the 53.
Yes they may can some dead weight, but that won’t be bad if they make the right hires.
They have several months to get focused and re-energized with a roster over flowing with talent that needs to be properly coached.
OTA’s, meetings, work out schedules will all be in place. It could be a beautiful process if they handle it right.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Or
It could be the first year of another HC who sees things completely differently and changes gears. Whether or not he really can make magic is in question. His track record does not show improvement. I’m not saying he can’t, just that he hasn’t.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Not as HC
that is true. It’s part of why the dream was real. He didn’t have the negative baggage that some ‘tried and true’ coaches have. Haley had his faults just like every other coach. He wound up crucified for those faults because of circumstances beyond his control. There are other organizations out there that would not have been so quick to make that decision. I know it’s difficult to overlook the record of a team in a season, but given where we were and the circumstances of how we arrived there—i just think Haley wasn’t given a fair shake. Others will disagree and to them I say…pummel away.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
He was and he wasn't
Like always, there’s pretty legit arguments on both sides.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Jeez
don’t you get tired of being a politician?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
For someone to have posted "when winning isn't enough", and to talk about how we can't get past the "win/loss record"....
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 18, 2011 12:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Depends on who the coach is...
To be honest, I am more worried about getting a creative OC than any other issues on this team. Iffy on McDaniels as OC.
Get healthy, install a better offense with better consistent QB play and that will make all of the difference in the world.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd
You’ve been catching a lot of grief around her lately, and I’ve been as guilty as anyone. Just because we disagree with your opinion doesn’t mean we don’t respect it. Keep preaching the good word, brother.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 17, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for caring.
I really mean that. I just feel completely disconnected with this team right now because the direction is so unclear. I’m not happy with the Chiefs at this point but hey, why should today be any different than any time prior to the Haley hiring? We will trudge on through the marsh with absolutely no idea of where we are headed.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Totally agree with your last sentence.
One thing we all have in common on this site. We are all Chiefs fans!
You know, for as much as we go round and round, Aiken
I’m sorry you feel disconnected from the team, man. That’s tough. I felt like that during our 4-12 season when LJ went down and we lost a billion straight to end the season… our roster was old and wasn’t getting addressed, our “glory” days behind us.
It’s a tough feeling. Maybe the xmas season helps you pull through.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
see, and I felt like that when Herm was fired
at the least I was hoping Gailey would be named HC
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I wanted Herm to get another year too
Just because I felt like that was a tough year to judge someone.
But then again, I wanted to give Thiggy a shot so I may have loyalty issues…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I never wanted him to get a first year
I still can’t believe Carl did NO shopping or interviewing other guys and then traded a valuable draft pick for him. I don’t care who it is, I’d never use a draft pick for a coach.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
BONES!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Dec 17, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BOOM!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I'm sorry for you UPs
I can only say that Herm rode the team downhill all the way. While I can see your point, Herm never really gave me anything to hold on to. Haley was much more of a leader than Herm (IMO). Sorry if that upsets you. It’s just my perception, which is worth absolutely nothing.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
it's ok, Aiken
some people tend to see the negatives and some tend to see the positives … in a variety of things and ways
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
And then some realize
that they see nothing at all…
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lE6Htee0sA
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Hey, this is about the Chiefs
Beyond that is a totally different story. The sad part in my heart for this team was beginning to heal. Now, we’ll just have to wait and see where we go from here.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Hopefully anywhere but "Chiefs announce McDaniels as next HC, Crennel to resign as DC"
(shivers in fear)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
be afraid ... be very afraid
mwahahahahahahahahahaha
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'm a little concerned but not overly much
I really think Pioli is going to feel he needs to go with a more proven guy this time around.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
This is what truly frightens me...
I don’t share your confidence in Pioli. I think he picks the guy he wants and damn the torpedoes.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
And hey
Who knows, maybe they don’t make a totally asinine hire as HC and we turn out OK.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Given this teams history
there is absolutely nothing that gives me that hope.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Except the hiring of Todd Haley :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
There was that
but then, we have moved beyond it.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
I've never seen the Chiefs win a playoff game
So yea…come on Pioli and Hunt…get this figured out quickly. Our patience is wearing thin.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 17, 2011 5:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I guess this would be giving away something
But I’ve seen them win the Super Bowl
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
KC vs Vikings
I actually wrote down the score before the game….. 23-7
That’s the last time I’ve ever had a score right
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
That is an awesome story...
I would love to read a fan post about that experience.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
I was about 12
My father and brothers and I were getting ready for the game. I was running around so excited. The Jets had won the year before, but that was suppose to be a “fluke”.
The Vikings were suppose to set things straight again, put the AFL/AFC in their place.
I was drawing getting ready for the game. I drew a scoreboard with the score on it…
Chiefs.. 23 Vikings…7
How do you like that, so it was.
That was really the game that made the AFL respected. It was no fluke now, they were just as good. The Chiefs gave them a total beat down. There was a lot of yelling in the house that day.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
by Zayla on Dec 17, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I love that story
Maybe you need to write a score down for tomorrows game. :)
Excellent stuff Zayla, wrecked through the roof.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs 31 Packers 28
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
by Zayla on Dec 17, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you don't actually think that's going to happen, do you?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
well, since Haley sucked so bad and everything was his fault
then tomorrow they should be an awesome team
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
i bet they score more than 10 points
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
you mean falco
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, why not?
Would I put money on it? No.
Orton will throw the ball to Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin and they’ll see if they can at least get some points.
Who knows, maybe the defense can do something.
Look at like the Giant game, with a slightly different outcome.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
by Zayla on Dec 17, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
awesome!! love the story and tomorrows score!
Let the Orton era start!
by jcrunninwild on Dec 17, 2011 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry dude
I saw our last playoff win but I was like 13
that pioli picture is the look on his face after clark hunt told him we aren't hiring mcdaniels for hc
i’m hiring cowher deal with it.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Wait until you see the look on Hunt's face
When Cowher laughs at him
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
I'd like to see Fischer come to KC
But I’m pretty sure it’s going to be Crennel’s job
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
i don't think
Fisher or Cowher would come to KC.
1) Pioli calling the shots
2) No Qb
3) Not a high profile job
will be the likes or Cromeo, McD..ppl that failed previously.
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
Fisher has always worked with a GM
He doesn’t need full control. And if they make a move for a QB somehow then that’s 2 problems down. Then if he’s that good of a coach he’ll turn it into a high profile job. Problems solved!
Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 17, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Fisher didn't want Vince Young, but the owner did
And it ended up costing Fisher his job so I doubt he comes to KC where he can’t have a say in who’s the QB again.
by Chiefs_KC on Dec 17, 2011 7:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who's to say he wouldn't
No one knows for sure that he would or wouldn’t have input on some of the personel decisions. Maybe it’s something that would be talked about during the interview process and he decides it’s the right situation for him. I’m just saying I don’t think Fisher is as unlikely as a lot of people seem to think he is.
Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Dec 17, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Are the Oilers/Titans a high profile job?
He was with them for what 16 years?
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Fisher
runs a 4-3 d.
Fisher vs Adams over Young might have to many similarities to
Haley vs Pioli over Cassel
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
Not following your point.
I’m actually not too high on Fisher and am not advocating him coming here. I was just making the point that KC is a higher profile job than the Titans in my opinion. I don’t think Fisher would have a problem coming to KC if they offered it.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
well
as far as higher profile, they are about even. But Fisher like you said, was 16years with 1 team.
He going to be looking for a bigtime job.
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
what big time jobs do you think are/will be available?
So far it’s “only” KC, Miami right? Maybe Indy will become available? Chargers?
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
doubt anyone's going to Chargers while Smith is there
that is, nobody who’s good
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
you mean they wouldn't take 14 and 2 marty back
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
kabrink, you got that one right
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
how about marty
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 17, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
Was Fisher in Houston before the move to Nashville
4-3 Defense is the insurmountable problem though
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
It's almost a shame
Because Houston and Hali at DE, T-Jax and Powe in the middle would be IMO a very good line, with a good combination of power and speed….
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yah, we do have some very good 4-3 talent
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Of course, Houston's developing into a fine SOLB anyways
A LOT of how next year goes depends on Powe and Bailey.
Bailey’s been playing pretty well as of late, after being terrible to start off. And I’d like to see more of Powe, who has looked fine every chance I’ve gotten to see him.
Those two pan out to their physical potential (and Bailey’s very fast improvement indicates he may very well do that) and our defense is looking pretty all right.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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I prefer at least 3 bigs on the line, whether it be 3-4 or 4-3.
You can go with 2 bigs plus Hali and Houston in a lot of longer down-and-distance situations, but I do prefer that big front 4, plus a 5th ‘tweener against pro set. 3 wides is common in today’s NFL, so a lot of your 4-3 looks, with or without the ends having a hand in the dirt. I kinda prefer NOT hand-in-the-dirt, when they’re giving up 30 or more pounds to the linemen they face. Easier for them to keep the inside-outside question open if they get that one step before the OL can get his hands on ’em. Harder to manhandle ’em in the run game.
I’m not at all eager to return to the days of Hali getting run over on the strong side in the run game. Gotta have more stout than that Jared Allen-Tamba Hali DE duo gave the Chiefs. It didn’t help that they couldn’t seem to get that special DT (O’Neal-McGlockton-Sims all busts, to some degree). O’Neal would’ve been fine next to a Saleamua. McGlockton would’ve been great, if he hadn’t been damaged goods. Sims would’ve been great if his initials had been “J. P.”
would of ≠ would've
you're pretty sure?
there is nothing out there that would make any of us pretty sure about who it will be.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
nj chieffan 16 if you want real pain, try being a chief fan in the 80's
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Like being a Royal fan
for the last 25 years
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
85 was a good year for the royals
always in rebuild mode
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Maybe this year
At least they’re fun to watch now
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
yes they got some young talent
i just got tired of them dumping players and payroll all the time. at some point you got to build the team around some players, the royals were always dumping talent.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
and this is coming from the commish
so it must be true…
They do indeed Rog, they do indeed.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Who wrote this article
Trade for Tim Tebow. REaLLLY but you banging on Stanzi who hasn’t played a down in the pro’s yet REALLY. Tebow is fad he’ll fade out before season end. Next yr everybody will have tape on that gimic offense like people did the Dolphins when wildcat first came out and losing will begin again in Denver. Really !! this guy who wrote this crap is an idiot
Yet incredibly, he manages to string together sentences at higher than a 3rd grade level
And it’s getting tougher and tougher to say that about Tebow every week. 6 in a row?
You might be right, but to say it with such certainty displays and idiocy that you seem really determined to accuse others of.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
The Tim Tebow trade was sarcasm... I despise Tim Tebow.
I love Rick(-y) Stanzi, I wasn’t getting down on him at all, sorry it came off that way. However, I don’t think we should go into next year with him as the QB of the future alone. The Chiefs need to make a move.
Appreciate your passion, I hope that clears things up for you.
I’ve never claimed to not be an idiot… I’m just another Chiefs fan.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
So Chiefs fans are idiots to you then?
: )
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 17, 2011 6:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha....
good stuff.
Apparently its just me and Texas Chief… any other volunteers?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
You rang?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
there ya go ... answering the call of duty :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I go where I'm needed
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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joed, welcome to Arrowhead Pride, and it's perfectly fine to disagree with anyone here, but ...
DON"T YOU EVER CALL SOMEONE AN IDIOT!
it’s rude and disrespectful …
thank you for your attention (angelic smile)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
for starters,
anything other than a QB or OT taken in the first round, and heads are gonna roll.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
too many opinions.
personally i think if we can’t get luck or griffin, then we stay away from QB in the first.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Landry Jones!!!!
(ducks)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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maybe in the 3rd round
I have a feeling he’s going to drop like a boulder.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Based on what I've heard I don't want the guy
Get me Luck, RG3, or Barkley. However you have to.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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not sure i'm in love with USC
qbs. name one who has really done anything. i look at barkley as risky for a first rounder, but only because my first preference is the other 2, and that OT is an absolute must. i really dont understand why we havent drafted a tackle in the last 2-3 years to begin with. in any round. foolish, and the product on the field proves that.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I don't watch enough college ball to say anything on these guys
but I do tend to agree with you on USC QBs. They always seem far over-rated. I’m fine with actively avoiding that guy.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
nfl
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Sorry that was funny
Louisiana Lafayette TE Green
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
Evan Rodrigez -Temple
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
interesting article and quote from pioli
See if he sticks to what he said last year…
by jcrunninwild on Dec 17, 2011 8:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
A question I have
When is a SB in the picture.When do we expect a championship? How many years/drafts is it going to take?
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions
Is that what the dart board says lol
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
That is part of the problem...IMO.
We should tell the team that we expect a Super Bowl every year.
Instead some say we are good with a rebuild long term, some are happy with .500 during the process and others will be patient during the course.
However, then we lose a few games and everyone flips because we are not going to win the Super Bowl. I will always feel that we should expect the best out of our team every single season. The Super Bowl is always the goal. Everything else is just a move made to get there.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
that is why
If we aren’t going to the playoffs,just lose every game.Maybe I am different in that belief,but that is the way I have always been. 6-10 gets us nothing. 5-11 is another 2 draft slots to our goal
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
This is the part that I find funny
people that want us to lose games so that we can get higher draft picks but then those same people wanted Haley and Pioli fired for not winning enough games
by badassz1987 on Dec 17, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
We can go round and round on this Saints...
Losing pathetically hurts more long term than the benefits you get from picking high IMO.
I will never want the team to lose every game. I want to see the Chiefs win every Sunday, nothing more, nothing less.
Think about it for one second logically please… just try. Are you with me?
One one hand you have a team that is so bad that they will lose every game trying their absolute best.
On the other hand you have a team who leaders are convincing them to throw every game so they can get better players.
Do you honestly want either of those teams?
The Chiefs aren’t the worst team in the league and they shouldn’t be rewarded for being the worst team. Play your best at all times and then use your smarts to get the best value at your position in the draft or manuever up and down the board using draft tactics. Let the talent evaluators earn their money.
There are a lot of hall of famers not drafted in the top 10.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I am a saints fan as well
So yes,if we can’t make the playoffs then bottom out. A draft slot is everything,what if we go 7-9? That is 3 draft slots away from getting an impact player. Not to mention,we don’t even make the playoffs.Talk about adding insult to injury.
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 18, 2011 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
here is the list of HOF players
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/general/draft/round.aspx I do not ,I mean do not own this info lol. But ,I am saints _chiefs and I approve this message
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 18, 2011 2:05 AM CST up reply actions
saint_Cheif
when i feel we actually have a shot at a SB- is when we have a QB.
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
You and I agree totally Redberry
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 18, 2011 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
ask romeo in next week press conference
they actually answered questions last week, well atleast romeo did
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Thanks everyone...
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Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Dec 17, 2011 10:40 PM CST reply actions
just fuck up GB's season
it dont matter how. Orton, Stanzo, palko….Wreck it.
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
yeah the kyle orton show plays tomorrow
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
i dont think its superbowl or bust
at least not in the next 3-5 years. if we can show that we can be competitive to be in the playoffs every year that is a big step forward, and winning a couple of playoff games. Winning a superbowl is a huge leap, of course thats what we all cheer for & want to happen, but as a fan putting things in perspective for where we are, and even where pioli started, thats just not a realistic goal. So like i said, in my opinion, being able to make playoffs consistently & start winning some playoff games is a realistic goal for the next 3 or so years, once we start doing that consistently (like new england, pittsburgh, baltimore, indi (before this yr)) then we will be close to the SB & give ourselves an opportunity to win it every year.
need a damn QB
this is more important then the HC. A great Qb can cover up a HC’s downfalls
Clark wants to be like Pitt, and he hires a NE guy?
I knew Haley was a mistake a week in
by FrankPitts on Dec 18, 2011 6:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
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