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A Closer Look At Rookie Linebacker Justin Houston

We're going to take a look at Justin Houston in this post. I know that this post has changed from week to week but I wanted to write about something positive and re-watching the Jets game one thing stood out early, and that was Houston showing off his versatility. So I thought why not just show-off our rookie third-round linebacker and have a discussion on him and why it's so huge that he's come around these last few games.

He hasn't been perfect by any means but he's given us another pass-rushing threat opposite of Tamba Hali recently, and it is HUGE that he's come around and shown that he can make some plays for this defense. There's no reason to think he won't continue to develop every time he steps on the field and that's one less position to worry about heading into the offseason.

It's not going to be long before most fans' attention starts wandering towards the mock drafts and player rankings for those declaring for the draft this year. A teams' success can be directly related to at what point in the season most of the conversations switch toward mock drafts and trade scenarios for the fans. That's about now for any Chiefs' fan that hasn't already started based on the recent Chiefs' struggles.

But most people can say right now that the SOLB position for the Chiefs is going to be held-down by Justin Houston and his back-up, Andy Studebaker, heading into next season and beyond. And not just as a position filled, but a position (and player) to be optimistic about when thinking about an entire, healthy Chiefs defense in 2012. Here are some examples from the Chiefs recent game against the Jets of why being optimistic about Houston holding down the SOLB position for the Chiefs in the future is a good thing.

Here are six plays that show the versatility this guy brings to the Chiefs defense. Thanks again to Clay for editing these clips.

Star-divide

In these consecutive plays on the Jets first possession you'll notice what makes him such a talented all-around linebacker and one of the great ‘finds' of this season, if we want to look for such a thing.

First play. 1st quarter - 3rd and 4 with 13:07 left. Houston is lined up on Jets' running back LaDanian Tomlinson. After the motion, (And DJ probably reminding Houston of his responsibility) you'll see Houston take a few steps up-field. I believe he's been called to blitz/cover the RB. Basically try and take him out of the play. If LT stays in to block, you blitz, if not, you cover him. Either way on this 3rd down play you'll see a very understated athleticism for a SOLB in a 3/4 system.

LT was Sanchez' first look when he dropped back and began his progression. The line did a good job picking up the blitz but by Houston coming up-field on those first few steps, he took away Sanchez' first option. LT may have had a wheel route called from the beginning, or option-route (sideline or upfield), and was the hot-read on a blitz, but when he turned his route up-field, Houston was right there with him stride for stride.

I'm not impressed that Houston can run with LT, I'm impressed that he could change directions like he did after taking those first few steps up-field. It's nothing earth-shattering or highlight-reel material. But when looking for classic examples of what you need from a guy in that position, this is a good example of having ‘fluid' hips for a LB and covering in space.

Because covering RB's in space is just one piece of the puzzle, the other being a physical enough player to take on the strong side of an offensive formation and play against the run. The SOLB must be able to disengage lineman and make plays in traffic. That skill combined with what we saw Houston do in the last play is why finding a good SOLB isn't always easy. You must be athletic enough to cover in space, but also big and physical enough to take on offensive lineman. The other side of that spectrum is next.

Second play. 1st and 10 with 12:19 left in 1st quarter. You'll see on this play, which is coincidentally the very next play in the game, that Justin Houston uses his physical skill-set to get off the double-team and make a play on the running back. Houston gets double-teamed on this double-tight to the strong-side play and still Houston makes the tackle for just a one-yard gain.

Finding a player that can perform like he did on these last two plays isn't easy and the Chiefs have found a good one. Like I said above, these aren't all-world plays, but it's showing off a versatile skill-set that's needed to be a 3-down linebacker in the NFL in this kind of defense.

Third play. Same drive. 1st and goal with 9:45 left in 1st quarter. Houston is lined up head-on Dustin Keller (#81) split-right. I'll just call this an example of recognition and reaction skills. Not only does Houston get a quick jam on Keller, he gets to his "zone" in the right flat, where LT is quickly headed, fast-enough and through a possible ‘pick play' by the WR in the perfect time that Sanchez looks LT off when he sees Houston there.

After the pass (bottom of screen) and in the second replay you'll see LT open in the end-zone, but he was the first-read for Sanchez on this play, and Sanchez made a quick, bad decision on where to go with the ball after Houston initially got in the throwing angle of Sanchez going to LT in the flat. You'll see Sanchez' hand come off the ball as to say, "I want to throw it now but that Houston guy just jumped it and now I have to go somewhere else". That thought-process could have been an INT for the Chiefs if Flowers was 6'3, or 6'1 and had mad one-handed skills.

Fourth play. 3rd and goal with 8:59 left in 1st quarter. Does this need more than a link to explain? He's lined up outside the RT and is about to 'do work'.

Fifth play. 1st and 10 with 13:40 left in 2nd quarter. The defensive line did a great job as a whole on this play, which resulted in a loss of yardage. But Houston sealed the edge and kept the play from being bounced to the outside, which is one of his main responsibilities and something Studebaker had struggled with this year. Great job on this play by Houston.

Sixth play. We're going to end this post with this one. 3rd and 3 with 12:19 left in 2nd quarter. I'm hoping to see a lot more of this over the next few years. How about you? Interesting to note that in this dime defense by the Chiefs, Houston is lined up on the weak side while Tamba is on the strong side.

Thoughts on Houston and what his development could mean for the defense heading into next season?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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It looks like Pioli got us another 3rd round steal. Chalk another one up for the ganja.

I’ll be shipping my famous pot brownies to RG3’s house before the combine.

by ChiefsFetish on Dec 17, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Please do that!

Houston was my first round pick coming out, until the combine and the pot test. When he fell to our second round pick, I was all excited and then Pioli bypassed him. I was sure that he was going somewhere else and then, lo and behold,, he was still there for our third!! For a change, things worked in our favor and I think he will be one of the best in the league.

Now, get to work on those brownies for RG3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by cowboyChief on Dec 17, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

You and me both.

It didn’t come without criticism from a few friends.

by fishhooks on Dec 17, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Best steal of the draft it looks like.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Dec 17, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

This time next year I hope we're saying that about Bailey and Powe

What do you make of them? Bailey’s looked better and better as the year’s gone along (then again, he was pretty bad to start off with) and is clearly incredibly strong and fast.

Powe was our best defensive player in the preseason besides Houston, mopping up 2nd and 3rd teamers for the most part.

What do you think? Long term answers at RDE and NT? Career rotation guys? Backups at best?

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Bailey has been night and day different than beginning of the year

Almost broke my television first few games with our dime on 2nd and 1.

But I noticed him anchoring MUCH better against the run recently. Gilberry too actually.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I hadn't seen that from Gilberry

That’s good news.

Bailey’s come a long ways. Hopefully that keeps up. A dude his size and strength with his athleticism should not have an issue being a 3 down player if he’s got a decent work ethic.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

agree

And I am not saying Gilberry is an answer. I just haven’t seen him tossed like a ragdoll like he was earlier in the season.

Bailey’s ceiling is exciting to think about.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Bailey’s ceiling is exciting to think about.

I’ll settle for something akin to Richard Seymour…yeah, that’ll do

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Reggie White or bust

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Good read BJ

and I really think Houston and Hali , will be a QB tandem terror.

Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.

by Hoochdawg on Dec 17, 2011 11:21 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

DT - Smith...

Only Houston is also likely to get some INTs at some point.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Dec 17, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

GREAT WORK

Houston is already one of my favorite Chiefs players and I followed him the last two years at UGA. This is a typical Pioli large, smart, quick, football player. Justin can straight ball out. He was mainly a pass rusher only at UGA and the fact he is picking up so quickly the read and reaction skills proves to me he will not only be a 3 down OLB he has the makings of a special player. The improvements he has made since training camp goes to show that he has the football IQ and work ethic to take the defense to the next level. I have heard he is the Lamar Woodley to Pitt’s James Harrison yet he is more James Harrison in the fact he is more of a complete LB. He can stop the run, shed double teams, establish an edge , but also he is very similar in athleticism to Woodley. He could become one of the most complete 3-4 OLBs in the game. Loved this pick from day one, even after he had failed the drug test at the combine I had Houston listed in the top 25 talent wise in the draft. A steal for sure. follow me @JinxAllessio

by JinxAllessio on Dec 17, 2011 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks

It’d be one thing if he showed one skill that we could use in certain situations. But showing all of these different skills this early has the makings of one special player.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought it would take more than on year or at the minimal this one year plus next years training camp to develop some of the skills he has shown. The ability to drop his hips into passing lanes and coverage are something that have impressed me. His recognition skills are that of a 3-4 year veteran. Such a stud and to think what could be done with him with a full training camp and off season.

by JinxAllessio on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

I thought we’d see flashes of his pass-rushing skills in obvious passing situations in his rookie year. But he’s anchored well against the run MUCH better than I thought and we’ve put him out in space and he seems to not be lost. Although he’s been put in a couple of bad spots when our blitz didn’t get there.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

And now it makes sense why Haley/Crennel was using him in coverage so much early in the year. Trying to speed up the integration into the NFL as a 3 down LB:
He was mainly a pass rusher only at UGA and the fact he is picking up so quickly the read and reaction skills proves to me he will not only be a 3 down OLB he has the makings of a special player.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Dec 17, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it had more to do with what their game plan was against those offenses they were facing.

I haven’t seen Houston change nearly as much as I’ve seen him being allowed to play downhill more. There for a while I thought they had him confused with a defensive back. Now they’re using Tamba and him more interchangeably, and when in coverage, they’re MEETING the guys they’re covering at or behind the line, rather than just dropping in zone.

I think a lot of it has to do with how much confidence they have in their secondary in any given game. But there’s no question that on numerous plays, where Studie/Vrabel would’ve been barely holding his own, or being pushed backwards, Houston is like a sticker in the offense’s right side, and things have to go way wide or funnel back inside, and if they try to take it wide, they’re just asking for a TFL from Houston. He’s just as athletic in space as Vrabel or Studie, and he can mix it up with the big boys to greater advantage than either of the previous pair.

It’d be nice to see a player whose measurables were more along the lines of Tyson Jackson over there in Dorsey’s spot, and maybe Bailey will grow into that. But it does seem like they’re trending upwards with the whole d-front concept. There are times when they’re in that base D that I’d like to see a S in there instead of Belcher, though. I think that base front 5 is plenty stout enough that they’re better off with an extra DB in there to cover the RB off the DJ jam.

I still see Gregg/Dorsey/Jackson get pushed off the line, but it’s taking doubleteams to achieve that movement. Some of the progress they’re making with OLB and ILB this season is flowing from the improved d-line play, and the main improvement is coming from added stout from Kelly Gregg. I think Gregg’s stumpy arms are a disadvantage to him getting off blocks and as a tackler, but it takes some real meat to move him. I’m hoping to see more Powe these last few games and next season, to see if that gives them a lift. You can always use more push and only way for ME to find out if they can do that is by seeing the younger guy get more snaps. If they can get him on the field, it will help his development and give ME a reading on where he’s at. Is he able to get off his blocks and quick-footed enough to get his feet behind where he wants to go? I get a kick out of just seeing him lined up in a 4-point stance, and I can’t help but think he’s more of a problem to slow down than Gregg is out of that same stance.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 3:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice assessment, as usual.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Dec 18, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Gregg might have more upside, even at this late date, though, if he becomes a devotee of Master Kim.

But the thing I’ve noticed about Gregg that was really magnified by playing against Shonn Green, is his failure to make the tackle every time gets a chance to put the clamps on. I’ve seen him play well to get into position and then simply fail to drag the ballcarrier to the ground. A better NT gives Green a tougher time.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

He had more sacks in 1 game than Vrabel had in 2 seasons at that position...

so I’d say there’s reason for optimism. He’s a guy I actually wanted us to draft in round 1, so to get him in round 3 was absolutely incredible. Hali and Houston will probably be compared to Denver’s tandem of Miller and Dumervil for a long time.

by m.yashi on Dec 17, 2011 11:29 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like the flex.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Dec 17, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Looked like a wing flap to me

unless you’re not referring to this week.

by bamachief5558 on Dec 17, 2011 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The last clip there?

Yeah, I thought he flexed at first, but just watched it again. He pointed to his name twice. I like it.

Basically telling folks to learn his name.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Dec 17, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Bowe does that one too

The best part for me is watching him and Hali get stoked when the other dude gets to the QB. Hali’s had it both ways: with a great pass rusher opposite him and jack squat opposite him. He knows the potential of 2 great pass rushers…

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I loved it when they BOTH got to Caleb Hanie in a 3-man rush.

There are player combos that I’m looking forward to seeing, with maybe 5 LBs on the field, one DT, and 5 DBs. Swarm the run and swarm the QB. Just the one guy in the middle playing stout and everybody else attacking a gap.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 3:11 AM CST up reply actions  

That sounds good to me

Dear Santa, please allow Powe to be a stout NT

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

This is my concern with Crennel becoming HC

He’s done great work with this defense, for the most part. If they, which I think they will, get serious about the defensive line, they will have a very solid defense, especially with Berry back.

As we witness time and time again (see Haley, McDaniel’s, etc) a coach cannot continue to be the position coach and the HC.

It’s already too late for the Chiefs to hire a different HC and ask Crennel to go back to being the defensive coordinator. Plus, I think the job will be his anyway. Who will take his place?

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 17, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Just a note

For every failed HC/Coordinator of the last decade you can probably find a successful one alot of them have a SB ring on their finger as well.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Not really my point

I think he may very well be a successful HC this time around, but the question is, who picks up the defense because he can’t do both.

Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.

by Zayla on Dec 17, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

...But that's what GB said, Zayla. In 9 of the last 11 Super Bowls, there has been at least one head coach involved in runninng the offense or defense.

McCarthy is a good example (offense) in GB…IF we hang onto RAC, which is a big “IF,” why couldn’t he call defensive plays?

Just for discussion, say we do retain Crennel as head coach. He could just delegate running the meetings, coming up with plan framework etc to another coach—Gibbs (linebackers) and Thomas (secondary) both have experience as NFL coordinators. Then on Sunday, just hand the man a play sheet and have him get to work.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Haley should have done that. Might still be coaching

Water over the bridge now, but the one thing that drove me nuts about Haley this season was not starting Palko but allowing Muir to be offensive coordinator. Haley expertise was in this area and he should have used it.

by cvane on Dec 17, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this.

I think dicking around with who was calling plays ended up costing him in the end. He should’ve just took the reigns and ran with it. Although if the rumors of Haley wanting out were true then thats a moot point anyway.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Great write up again. I think the staff really had a great plan for Houston as far as his development is concerned. The most promising thing with him I think is that he has developed alot this year and quickly and that shows that he just only potential but that we actually have a player there that in another couple of seasons will be a great player.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Yep I love these posts with the videos right there to see it.

It’s amazing how far this kids come when it comes to setting the edge. The first 5-6 games of the year it was hard to watch TJaxs good work go to waste because no one behind him could make a play but Houston has really helped lock down that side of the field in the run game.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes...and I was tired of trying to explain plays without everyone being able to see them

It’s worked out well.

Houston is going to be a stud and a lot of people don’t like to hear about the business side of the game. But a starting OLB on a 3rd round deal? Works out nicely when upgrading other areas (hopefully).

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Any three down, front seven player in the third round is a good deal.

I;ll be the first to admit I was a doubter. I didn’t see a three down player, which is why i didn’t want to pick this kid in the first round. But between coaching and his drive to get better I’m a believer now.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Dec 17, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Full disclosure...neither did I

But I was alright when he fell to the 3rd. Although I was pissed that we didn’t take Powe (at the time). I was pretty much screaming at the TV or radio from every pick after Hudson that wasn’t Powe.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

He's been MUCH stronger against the run than most scouting reports predicted

Best surprise by far from him.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Imagine what havoc our D can create once we have an offense that can actually give them a lead

Most of the passing plays against them have been with McGraw or Sabby in coverage…that won’t happen with Berry next year.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Dec 17, 2011 12:18 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

yep

I think we should draft another safety this year again, we cant have McGraw and Sabby on this defense again, they just arent good, imo

by banshee_01 on Dec 17, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Very good point.

Hard to get sacks when the opponent is already trying to run out the clock at the beginning of the 3rd quarter.

by ChiefsFetish on Dec 17, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Great read, rec'd

Its hard not to get excited about Houston. Watching him in training camp and throughout the Preseason he’s an exceptional talent. His mistakes, pre-draft, gave us a major steal in the draft.

RG3, its easy as ABC.

by shotty on Dec 17, 2011 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

I was thinking about doing a "the evolution of Houston" post next...

Now I don’t really need to. The guy’s been beasting for a while now. no one realized it because they looked at the “zero” next to his sack numbers, but he’s been putting serious pressure on the QB for some weeks now (when they actually send him and don’t waste him in coverage).

Houston’s development could be the single most important development for our defense next year, unless Powe goes into beast mode (note to Crennel: it’d be nice to give the big fella some developmental snaps at this point. Gregg’s no spring chicken and a FA).

Houston’s become a pretty good player against the run and is tough for RT’s to handle when pass rushing. His development in coverage has been slower, but it’s there.

Of course, since Pioli’s an idiot who needs to get fire, that’s impossible, isn’t it?

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

"Of course, since Pioli’s an idiot who needs to get fire{d}, that’s impossible, isn’t it?"

IMO, the Haley v/s Pioli debate is quickly becoming a dead horse discussion on here. Pioli didn’t get enough depth, Haley couldn’t coach beyond his bag of tricks, both men hated each other, poor work environment that cost us a decent tackle, blah blah blah. Nothing against you, I’m just saying…that conversation’s going to end sometime, right?

Note…I also McFixed your spelling. I’d pat myself on the back harder but I added extra letters to a reply heading about two minutes ago, and it looks really dumb. Yay hypocrisy…lol.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If I only knew how to post pictures on here, I'd add a horse for our trouble.

Where is ladychief when I need her??

Rec’d, btw. Sad but true, it’s our devotion that drives these discussions…that’s a key fact to remember.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Could’ve done without the shot. I’d just gotten away from Clay’s thread and was feeling testy.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, it's all good. Didn't mean to seem like I was picking on you.

I’ve just cut down dramatically on my site consumption lately because the H v/s P discussion has taken my IQ down a notch or three.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if I'm ready to call drafting Houston a genius draft move by Pioli

It seems to me that picking him up once he had fallen to the 3rd round was a pretty safe move

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 17, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That everyone else missed out on

Can’t have it both ways. You can’t say, “well, Berry was such an obvious pick that it doesn’t make it a good move” and then say “well, the other teams were stupid for passing Houston, so it wasn’t that good a move.”

Yeah, IMO it was an obvious move. But there were risks there. Not to mention the fact that we got him with an extra draft pick that he flipped to get us a guy who looks like he has tons of potential wt WR…

Bottom line is Pioli turned a low first round draft pick into Baldwin AND Houston. That’s nice.

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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd forgotten about the trade....

fair enough.

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 17, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

But to be fair, I agree that it was the obvious move at that point

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

True story

I honestly love this year’s draft.

Baldwin- Flashes HUGE potential despite injury setting him back and horrid QB play.

Hudson- After worrying me in the preseason, he looks like he’d be an upgrade over Lilja or Weigmann already

Houston- Already very solid against the run and rushing the passer, getting better in coverage (from God-awful to just “bad,” but still)

Bailey- Come a long ways into being a solid rotation guy (watch Houston’s 2nd or 3rd sack against CHI. Bailey took two blockers and just manhandled them into the backfield that play) and definitely has improved quickly enough to be looked at as a long term DE

Brown- We’ll see. Haven’t been that impressed, but he hasn’t totally crapped himself out there either.

Stanzi- I have no idea. Probably a career backup, but it never hurts to snag a backup when you’re talking the 5th round.

Powe- I honestly believe he will be our starting NT next year. Dude looked legit in preseason and in limited action this year. I believe RAC’s bringing him along slow because they already have Gregg and Gordon, and since they’re in nickel formation so often they don’t need another NT.

I don’t mean to babble but I’m telling you, this draft has already produced 3 guys that look like legit starters and at least one more that’s shown the potential. That’s a killer draft.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

safe? he fell because he was the opposite of safe. third rd is still where you want starters...

so he doesnt get credit for getting that pick in the first place? or taking the risk? just because houston was a good value pick there? he was also a good value pick at picks 60-74, but didnt go then

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by SDChief on Dec 17, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I really, really wish Powe was getting extended PT.

How do we know he’s “just a NT?” He’s the same size as Nutcracker was last year, let’s see if he has enough movement skills to play the five-spot in an emergency.

Also…how impressive is Bailey going to be with another ten to twelve pounds of muscle and a full offseason to train? Will we even NEED to keep Dorsey on the roster? Between Amon Gordon laying it all on the line, and Bailey getting better every week, we might have ourselves a starting three-man line by next fall.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Bailey is another rook who has made a lot of progress.

I don’t think we need Dorsey OR Gilberry next year. I’m perfectly comfortable with a DL group that consists of T-Jax, Bailey, Gordon, Gregg, and Powe.

Bailey went from getting manhandled frequently early on (generally due to terrible technique) to manhandling double teams at times. The guy is FREAKISHLY strong, and is starting to learn how to use it.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa whoa, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Wallace G stays by TJax's side.

They’re like fire and ice, thunder and lightning, redheads and whipped cream…the perfect combination. I’d like to see Gilberry lose the extra weight he put on this offseason and stick with KC, because we’ve found unique ways to use his hustle and short-area quickness. Jackson doesn’t have that kind of shuffle, you know? He’s just WIDE.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I haven’t liked Dorsey since we switched to the 34 base. Trade him for draft picks…I do like Wallace as well. He is a nice pass rusher, but it will have to be at the right price for a sub package player.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see how he'd want five million or anything.

And I know many on here think we should deal him, and how he’s a perfect 4-3 end etc. Even I speculated on that at the start of the year.

But see, Gilberry went undrafted for a reason: He is slow as molasses. As an NFL 4-3 end, speed is a big part of your game. In the 3-4 as a nickel/dime rusher, his natural strength is an asset and his speed is totally appropriate.

I think he’s found his niche, and ought to get a three or four year deal to stay here and be Jackson in the nickel…or play beside him if we slide TJax inside.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

4-3 UT
how he’s a perfect 4-3 end

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 17, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Too skinny IMO

He’d get blown up eventually, kinda like Klug with the Titans (Hawk homer here).

Part-time work is best-time work for a guy with quickness but no speed, who doesn’t look like he can handle extra weight, but who has pass-rush skills.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't see Dorsey as skinny at all

He was projected as a great 3 tech, coming out of college. Which is the UT in a 4-3. However his pass rush skills have really not progressed to where he would be an efficient 3tech IMO

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 18, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I keep coming back to that thing with his left leg, to explain why he's not as explosive as advertised.

But on every D, you do need the one store-minder. He’s the most consistent at that. He’s not getting upfield as well as I would like, and generally cycles off the field when it’s time to get after the QB. But I think that paired with Gregg, our ILBs have seen flashes of what it might be like to be Ray Lewis.

I’m not at all sure there are a lot of teams that see Dorsey as their answer for UT. If he’s good enough for trade, basically, he’s good enough to keep around. I’m OK with keeping him or trading him, if there’s a good offer. I think KC could do a lot for the D by continuing their DL approach and adding an elite DB to the mix. Bring back Eric Berry and win one more 1-on-1 besides, and they can churn roster all day long on the DL, and be pretty good, with guys like Jax and Dorsey to build around.

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by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Dorsey, I was talking about Gilberry.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that makes more sense

Don’t mind me… Saw Dorsey above, then perfect 4-3 end.. yeah I dumb

Gilberry could make a good 4-3 LDE IMO

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Dec 18, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree he's too slow to be a 4-3 DE

And frankly, his weakness against the run would discourage coaches from letting him be a 3 down player regardless of where he is on the line.

If he’s willing to stick around for a couple of million a year, great. Anything else and I believe we’re overpaying for a one-trick pony who hasn’t been that good at the one trick.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

If he plays specials, and I believe* he does...that's useful

It’s not that he doesn’t tackle or work hard, it’s that he can’t handle extra weight. But the dimesion he brings to the defense is a good one—that extra burst of quickness on the left side.

I agree, he is a one-trick pony and I’m not suggesting he’s a core guy. Give him two, three years and a couple million and let him log some valueable snaps. Less than now…more like ‘10, when we weren’t using the effing nickel package to defend the run (C’mon, Romeo!!).

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Amen to that last part

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

You gotta keep throwing picks at that position, I think, and make Gilberry fight for his job.

Versatility is important, and someone more versatile ought to come along who pushes Gilberry, at the least.

They’ve gotten more versatile than they were, not by changing Gilberry, but by finding other pairings inside, with Gordon, Jackson, and even a little Dorsey, getting some playing time in the nickel. And if they can do that, they’re already deeper than before, when it was nickel/dime front and base front, with basically two entirely different sets of players, and not very deep in either look.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I haven't seen anything from Gilberry to think he's going to help us a whole lot

Two sacks this year? And he’s in there on pretty much every passing down…

Not to mention he’s an incredible liability against the run.

I think a lot of what happens with Dorsey/Gilberry depends on what happens with Bailey. Does he keep improving at the rate he has been? Because if so, he’ll be ready to step in as a 3-down guy next year IMO.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Loved the pick then, and still love it now

He’s going to be a beast for us for the next few years.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 17, 2011 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

yet another time where I can thank marijuana for coming through

houston can get high after his career, til then we get the steal of the third rd thanks to a little bit of weed

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by SDChief on Dec 17, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i can think of many times it's come through for me. ;)

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by skunk420 on Dec 17, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

oops!

Great read, Baja.

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by skunk420 on Dec 17, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

finally

Hey good post B.J.
I’ve been watching Houston very closely all year, waiting for the big-play sacks. I couldn’t understand why Chiefs coaches were dropping him in coverage early in the season only for him to get roasted by receivers. Now I know that they were bringing him along slowly. It has paid off. Houston has been our best pass rusher the last four weeks.
If he continues to develop, I see this defense being a great nose tackle and a good defensive end away from being an elite defense.
The formula for the Chiefs to win an AFC championship is to have a great defense and a couple more playmakers on offense surrounding Matt Cassel because I don’t see Scott Pioli drafting a QB in next year’s draft.

by michaelaglover on Dec 17, 2011 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

a great nose tackle and a good defensive end away

In a perfect world, the flashes of potential we’ve seen from Powe and (more so) Bailey turn into this…

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

true

yes, we very may well have our great nose tackle, but i’m not betting on a 6th round pick being the next vince wilfork. the NT is the most important position in a 3-4 defense.

by michaelaglover on Dec 17, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it anymore?

The Niners don’t have a great NT and their defense is STIFLING. Hampton’s not what he used to be and the Steelers are great. Cody is (according to the BAL fans I’ve asked) decent, but not great, yet BAL’s defense is phenomenal.

I’d submit that the NT position is the most important area on a 3-4 in one way: it cannot be WEAK. However, it seems that there are many defenses with just “solid” NT’s are able to be great all the same.

All that said, I’m not betting on Powe either (although when I’ve seen him play he seems very stout at the POA, and he WAS our best defensive player in the preseason besides Houston. Both good signs for a 6th round rook). I think we’ll know this offseason. If we don’t take a NT type, that means for sure Crennel believes Powe is the answer.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

One of the main reasons Baltimore beat Pittsburgh twice is the movement the Baltimore OL is getting against

Pittsburgh’s front 7. They’re due for a youth movement up front.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 3:18 AM CST up reply actions  

True enough

But IMO the point stands. Vince Wilfork is still the best NT in the game and his defense stinks.

I believe with NT it’s got more potential to hurt you than anything else. Does that make sense. That makes it extremely important to at least have a SOLID NT, but I don’t believe an elite one is necessary

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes. I think you can select for STOUT and PUSH, and be functional.

Bottom line is the ability to eat blocks. Even if you aren’t notching sacks, you can still get enough push to crush pocket vertically, and at least change any kinds of draws they try to run.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Stout and Push

Excellent words for what’s needed up there.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I wanted Lamaar Woodley so bad...

but if Houston keeps this up, we’ll be set. Our own version of Harrison & Woodley.

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by R2J_24 on Dec 17, 2011 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

I just wish Hali was as versatile as Harrison

Although he’s a better pure pass rusher

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

He's looked a lot better against the run this year. That's a start in the right direction.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 17, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true

I don’t think he’ll ever be good in coverage though. But given his ability to rush the passer it’d be stupid to put him in coverage much anyways…

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I have often wondered

What Studebaker would look like inside.He is a big athletic kid,but he struggles to get a pass rush.I would love to see if he can play inside

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Been saying that for a couple years, now, but nobody listens.

I don’t see why he couldn’t push Belcher for snaps @ SILB. Maybe he’s just not durable in the thumper role. He has most of the traits I’m looking for, and appears to be an upgrade in more than one aspect of Belcher’s job description. I didn’t like him in the head-to-head matchup with OL from a forward position, but with a couple steps to build some momentum and his 250 pounds, I think he could turn a lot of those ties at the line into wins for the defense.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 3:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Worked well for Vrabel after 2 years on the outside...why can't it work for his boy?

I like this plan, and wish to sign the petition.

"It’s like you’re out there with another player," fullback Le’Ron McClain said.
"We love him, man," cornerback Brandon Flowers said. "That’s like our brother."
"Todd is one of the guys," receiver Dwayne Bowe said.

by go_saleaumua on Dec 18, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

That's how I feel

He isn’t good at sealing the edge when he’s close to the line, but one would think with his extra size over Belcher (and he’s faster too) he’d be able to hit those gaps harder.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I do as well

But you have to remember,Harrison is 240 lbs’ .Hali is 265 lbs’ .And Harrison has had more expierience as a 3-4 OLB.I like what I see in Hali.I am holding my breath on Houston.I would like to see what Studebaker would look like at inside LB.Maybe,he can be an upgrade over Belcher.Just speculating here

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point on Harrison

Houston’s got me stoked. Dude’s already solid against the run and has shown he can make RT’s look foolish (when they actually, yanno, RUSH him)

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

this is where pioli deserves some serious credit.

for trading back a few spots, we got a free pick, free pick= justin houston, and if houston is the future as our 2nd pass rusher….thats a ridiculously huge steal

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by SDChief on Dec 17, 2011 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

That's why we love the trade-down.

Extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd can be gold.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 3:30 AM CST up reply actions  

He needs to build up his speed,

If you notice on that last play Tamba fought of a block, made the pulling RG and the LT look like a couple of stooges, got tripped up and still almost made it to the QB. Houston had the good fortune of playing against a white Barry Richardson in a Jets uniform, and pretty much ran to the QB unchecked. Houston builds his speed and he will be really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, good player. He has potential.

But hell yeah, I like the progress he’s making as a rookie. His mental development at the pro level is promising. His overall athleticism is nice, like you mentioned the ability to cover, seal edges and fight off blocks. This guy could potentially be a 90+ tackle, 10 sack, 3 INT force very soon. That would be awesome.

Great post BTW, rec’d… why? It’s front page, I know, but I still rec’d it.

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by Tomahawk29 on Dec 17, 2011 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

I think this was just a fanpost, so recs count

I like Houston’s speed just fine. It’s his moves that need work IMO. Although it was nice to see him work a “fake outside go inside” move for the sack. That move only works when you’ve been running around the T for a while.

That and coverage. He’s gotten better, but I wouldn’t even call him average at it yet. His run defense is phenomenal for a rook SOLB though, and his pass rushing looks legit now that they’re sending him. He didn’t have sacks against NE and PIT but he was getting to the QB.

Houston’s not even close to Hali, but who is? :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

recs count....ahaha

I make all my stuff as “fanposts” instead of “Stories” so if a Mills-type convo breaks out it can stick around a little longer on the side of the page. Doesn’t really matter but it stays around a bit longer for convos in the thread.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It matters to an egomaniac like me :)

I miss watching the rec count rise and seeing how far it could get up the all time list….

I clearly am too needy for my own good…

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

use. more. ninjas

I used to post really late at night and I’d always be curious what it’d look like when I got up.

Satch will hop in every once in a while and throw up a 70 rec’r and we all go back to our seats and learn.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha it doesn't really matter what I do now

“Story” recs don’t really matter…

And I don’t wanna make you said, but I’ve been thinking of switiching to “you’re doing it wrong” pics for my more casual posts (which I rarely have time to do)

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone loves a good "you're doing it wrong" pic.

I’ll rec those.

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by Tomahawk29 on Dec 18, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

And by "said", I mean "sad"

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

nice

gonna fire back up a Choose your own adventure here in the offseason. creature of habit.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked those

Fun series for sure.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Houston's more fluid and overall faster than Hali.

Hali plays a little “bigger” and more violently at the point of impact with the O-Lineman. He’d probably beat Houston to a pulp if they were chained together at the waist and it was who could get in more (and more violent) licks in on the other. Hali obviously works on that hand-fighting all the time, and he’s several years and a sea of sweat ahead of Houston in the weight room.

But for running the field, Houston’s faster, right out of the box. One play that’s indelibly etched in memory is a Jason Campbell scramble away from Hali. Hali couldn’t close on Campbell. You could see right there why Hali was selected as a DE prospect, initially, and how it was that Hali managed to succeed as 3-4 WOLB.

Houston probably would have closed on that play. Derrick Thomas DEFINITELY would have. Houston’s a smidge closer to Derrick Thomas in the open field. But like Derrick Thomas, Houston’s still a 260-ish player who has no business trying to cover most decent RBs for any extended amount of time in space. Heh.

I don’t know why I do this to my(our)self(selves), since I’d have a safety lined up next to one of my OLBs all day long, bringing either one or both, with the OLB dropping only when the safety was blitzing, and the offense never knowing if I was gonna bring both, drop both, or which one was coming and which one was dropping. They both might just come and crush the RB, regardless. Or knock the TE on his ass on their way to the RB. Or… .

Hali’s exceptionally quick for a man who can be classed as a widebody. Houston isn’t quite widebody, yet.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 3:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Cannot wait for Berry's return.

If Houston keeps this up this D will almost be unfair.

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by Tomahawk29 on Dec 18, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

He’d probably beat Houston to a pulp if they were chained together at the waist and it was who could get in more (and more violent) licks in on the other.

I genuinely believe this is true about the vast majority of NFL players.

If Houston’s got half a brain he’s begging Hali to spend an extra half hour or so with him a day teaching him hand-fighting

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Seems like him and Tamba race to the QB every time we need a name for these guys

by BuddyMcLoving on Dec 17, 2011 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Nice work BJ.

I loved the Houston pick back in April as I thought OLB was one of our biggest needs. On a lot of blogs I kept seeing people saying the Studie and Sheffield were there and that was enough. Now that people see the difference in average and playmaker I wonder how many people will change their opinions on certain players. From what I have been reading, it sounds like most people have flipped on Dorsey from the beginning of the season when I read people calling him a beast. It will be nice to see what happens with Hali, DJ, and Houston when the DL gets some people that can get some penetration in the backfield….Happy Holidays!

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 2:05 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks AZ

Have a good break, if you get one….

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Dorsey's regressed

Not holding up nearly as strong at the POA from what I see. Teams are running at him and Hali much more successfully than they are at T-Jax and Houston.

Dorsey’s been here awhile now. He’d improved every year until this year, which is very bad news. I personally think Bailey is flashing enough potential and has shown enough improvement to be looked at as a long term replacement. In the short term, Gordon’s outplayed Dorsey consistently when he’s been in there for him.

Not saying Dorsey sucks, but he’s been well surpassed by T-Jax at this point.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree he has regressed

but your comment kind of goes to my point. Although improving…he was an average player even at his best…but yet cuz some fans are so hungry they actually called him a beast…that’s like calling Albert an elite LT. When your team is filled with mediocre players, a few good games by one makes them stand out. Dorsey doesn’t suck, but he isn’t a starter in a 34 base. He seems to be invisible…even when he makes tackles they aren’t like DJ and Houston tackles…they are like 5 yards off the LOS. To me, MNChiefsfan, the following starting postions need an upgrade:

LT, LG, C, RT, DE, ILB, QB, NT TE.

I think we do have some answers…Albert at LG, Hudson at C, and a combination of Gordon and Bailey at DE opposite TJ. Powe looked good in preseason and in the one game he played so there is some hope there, but we still need a player if/when Gregg moves on.

I’m hoping we go in no particular order ILB, QB, RB, TE, NT, S, OL in the draft with adding more depth in FA and resigning Bowe and Carr.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on pretty much every point there

Although I think at his best Dorsey had grown to an above average DE. He was eating double teams quite a bit.

I don’t know what his deal is this year, but it bums me out. I think it’s time to trade him mostly because his contract runs out soon and we can get value for him.

Every position you named there is one I believe we could use help for either depth or as a starter. Personally I’m all on board with QB in the first, and even trading up if we have to. IMO the only CRITICAL needs we have right now are QB and O-line.

We certainly have areas that could use an upgrade elsewhere (like ILB and DE), but they’re not so bad right now that we absolutely have to address it like QB and RT.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right about the critical needs

A better OL and QB would help out our D a lot. I do believe in Haley’s motto of just get good football players on your team, so I hope we do that. I’m not that bummed on Dorsey cuz I never high on him, even in his first year. I saw a lot of Dwayne Roberson in him. I’m more bummed we didn’t trade him in his 2nd or 3rd year and get a lot more then we will now. I hope we get to the point like the Ravens and Giants where they just keep adding to their strength….they both just keep drafting pass rushers and they are able to withstand injuries….I mean NYG lost their entire secondary and still can compete.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes. But you have to build a critical mass of talent in the first place.

I love the overkill formula on D-Line that Baltimore pursues. Look how long they got Ray-Ray to last. I love that formula.

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by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 3:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more with the positions that need to be upgraded

Safety is a bigger need than I think most people think because we’re in the nickel/dime so often. Lot of snaps for that guy.

What they do with Albert will be very telling.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

wasn't there a post

or a fanshot recently, that showed Albert was doing a decent job at LT. had him rated somewhere above middle of the pack for the league.

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by Hoochdawg on Dec 17, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he was top 10, I think.

Meanwhile, Richardson was at the bottom.

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by Tarkus on Dec 17, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Richardson

Makes our entire line look worse at pass protection than it is. QB’s can’t move around the pocket or roll to his side.

Weigmann’s not helping much either. Put Hudson in, replace B-Rich (oh what could’ve been with Gaither) and I’m totally fine with our line.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you

on Hudson, but I do think both tackle positions need to be addressed…not just our RT. Albert/Hudson/Asamoah would give us a solid interior…let us run in between the tackles and allow our QBs to step up into the pocket when our tackles get beat.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That does have potentially

However, with Albert being a decent LT (and one who is uniquely good at the type of blocking JC requires), I see QB as much, much more urgent.

And it is pretty much impossible to get a franchise LT and QB in the same draft.

However, I do agree with you that with a very good LT and Albert on the inside, our line would be excellent.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes it would be tough...but it can happen

I thought St. Louis did it 2 years ago with Bradford and Saffold, but Saffold has had some injuries that have slowed him down. JC def doesn’t require the same blocking….but that makes our OL relying on a RB…plus even with JC we were destroyed by teams with good DLs…and horrible in short yardage. A lot of people talk about our OL cuz we lead the league in rushing last year….they forget the fact that it took JC close to setting an all time record in yards per attempt to do it.

I’m not sure if we need an elite OT like a Long or Thomas…but there are a lot of very good LTs in this league that weren’t top picks.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Crennel elevating to HC MIGHT elevate the line play.

First thing Crennel did was put lifting AFTER practice, instead of before. If Gaither shines in San Diego, it’ll be a black eye for Haley, who might not have the right psychology for OL. Nothing would tickle me more than to see it turn out that Pioli’s picks were pretty good, and it took a change of leadership for things to gel.

I doubt very much that will be the case, but I DO like the way the widebodies appear to respond to Crennel. I think it’s a whole lot easier for those guys to identify with a HC who served his time in the trenches. Like they say, Crennel is one to make things as black-and-white for his players as possible, and that might be something that’s actually very helpful to the offense, surprisingly enough. Holding out the chance that Pioli’s been pretty spot-on right along, a significant improvement in the trenches overnight would say a lot about the Haley firing.

Fact is, as much as I don’t like the size situation in the middle, I get the impression there are numerous lapses of concentration by numerous KC O-Linemen, and it just takes the one lapse per play, to make the play a total bust. I hate all the suck for Luck talk and QB talk in general, with these lapses of focus?/ability?/buy-in? are taking place up front. It’s like proposing marriage to a pretty girl, before you even have a job, or saved up to buy a ring.

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by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 4:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it was 7 based

on some effeciency statistic. I didn’t put much into it being that Jake Long and Joe Thomas weren’t on it…I would take both of them over Albert any day.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Hoochdawg

That statement goes to the point I made above…so Albert has been decent at LT…why accept a decent LT especially if he can be an elite LG which he was in college. I understand that we can’t have a star at every position, but why not take a guy who is average and put him in a position he can excel.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

talking about Arenas being changed to RB? :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 17, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha

I actually think he is becoming a nice nickel corner.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too

He’s made some nice plays there this year. It’s just interesting to imagine..

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 18, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno. I see his guy getting off the line free, even with Arenas up in "press" position.

Then I see the ball go to that same guy, with Arenas in trail position. When I see him in nickel, I know he either gets help or he’s a likely target. I’d almost rather see him at FS, where he IS the help. In any case, I’m still throwing tall DBs at the secondary and hoping some stick.

The thing about Arenas at HB is I don’t see needing to make any compromises. Same height as Dex, but 30 pounds heavier, able to run it inside, catch the ball, and just as big a threat in space. Small as he is, he can STILL jack people up as a blocker.

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by hmills110 on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with elite LT.

What makes me cringe is thinking that KC nursed one back to health and sent him to San Diego!

Unless KC gets very fortunate, though, the one 1st-round LT pick that I’d be thrilled about isn’t likely to fall to the Chiefs. A sure-thing RT upgrade with LT or G potential would be fine by me, if that one elite LT is out of reach. I’m not interested in trading-up at this point, because they can still get real upgrade later in the first and in the 2nd.

Upgrade at LT is always something to look for, but not, imo, something to REACH for. I wouldn’t consider a trade-up to be reaching, if it meant real-deal franchise LT. That would merely be overspending, when there’s a much deeper LT class on the 2013 horizon, and much work to be done at at least 2 other spots on the OL.

It’d be awesome if Mims turned into something, but he’s just developmental until proven otherwise.

At this point, I consider Albert to be far from the weak link on the OL. I think you might be able to find something better, but likely not without trading up in 2012 or waiting until 2013 and maybe even having to trade up, even then.

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by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 4:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you on Safety

We really don’t have much behind Berry and Lewis. It will be interesting to see the personnel changes with Haley gone.

by AZDiamond75 on Dec 17, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

can you say trade bait?

Indy sure could use a dominant under tackle.I’m just sayin

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 17, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a possibility.

I just feel like we’re eager to trade Dorsey for exactly the reasons that teams that saw things the same way WE do would be reluctant to trade for him.

Probably the main chance for KC is an evolving d front concept that involves Dorsey in varying amounts and roles. You can see that Crennel is getting more and more mix-and-match with that front 7, the longer these guys are in his scheme, together. Last year at this time, they had nickel and they had vanilla. Now they have vanilla nickel, with fudge and a cherry on top, with just about every 11-permutation there is.

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by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2011 4:22 AM CST up reply actions  

When I worked the MNF game in New England

I was on the field and saw a Chiefs player jogging. He had sweats and his helmet on (no number) so I thought it was a defensive lineman because he was huge. Turned out to be Justin Houston. The guy is a physical freak and really is starting to become a force.

We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.

by Flowers24 on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

i did say this guy would be a beast

lets just hope he is not on the sam hurd black list

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by sexassassin on Dec 17, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd as usual BJ!

For someone like me who loves the game but isn’t knowledgable enough about the details of the plays and moves, combining the description with the clip is awesome!

These posts allow me to align what I “see” on Sunday with what really occurred.

While I wasn’t too sure about the Houston pick from the ‘character’ standpoint after the drug issue, I’ve been liking what I’ve seen in him since pre-season. He’s just gotten better & better, which is awesome for a rookie (usually falling off at this point of the season).

With the combination of Hali, DJ and Houston, along with some of the others mentioned above, I think this could be one hell of an awesome defense. I’m tickled pink red with the prospects for the coming years!

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by WorL4Chiefs on Dec 17, 2011 5:25 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks WorL4

This has the makings of a pretty special group of players on the defense.

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by BJ Kissel on Dec 17, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Good work BJ!

Houston an Hali should be terrorizing for a few years together. Houston should continue to be a great player

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by Enite on Dec 18, 2011 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

Good post

Houston had another pretty good day today. I know he didn’t take Rodgers down but he was inches away numerous times.

I’d really enjoy reading this kind of breakdown for other up and coming players.

by Wait and See on Dec 18, 2011 9:03 PM CST reply actions  

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