My Open Letter
by Flowers24 on Dec 15, 2011 4:58 PM CST
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I'm not a sportswriter right now, I'm a fan. More specifically, I'm a Kansas City Chiefs fan. I feel hurt, lied to and angered by the news today that Todd Haley was fired.
Whether you liked the man or not, at least he wasn't phony.
Scott Pioli,
How could you do this to a fan-base that is one of the most loyal in all of sports? You may not personally like him, but he got results didn't he? Yes, the team is 5-8 this season, but let's be honest for just a minute, shall we?
The team is still churning the bottom of the roster and couldn't withstand the injuries it suffered. Haley tried his best to make it work, and halfway through the season had his team in first place; yet he's fired.
Who's fault is it that Tyler Palko is the backup quarterback on this team? In today's NFL the backup QB is one of the most important positions on a team, and it went unchecked. You know, like a long-term nose tackle and even a short-term right tackle.
Haley didn't deserve the fate he was levied this week. He took a young and still rebuilding team to a division championship last year. This team is clearly on the rise and now we have no clue what direction it's going to go.
If some of the rumors turn out to be true and you hire Josh McDaniels, you will lose the trust of this fan. He has shown no ability at all to be a head coach. Lord knows he certainly never won a division title.
Personally, I don't care how you and Haley co-exist. Be professional. How would this be looked upon if two players couldn't get along? Grow up and bridge the gaps. You're running an organization and you can't even get along with someone YOU hired? This doesn't bode well for the future.
I wonder how Derrick Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles and other improved players feel about his firing? I wonder if it will cost the franchise Bowe now with the uncertainty looming over this team like a hazy fog in the night.
By the way, Scott, tell your boss Mr. Hunt that the Steelers - the team he keeps saying he wants to emulate - wouldn't have done something like this. They would've come together as a collective unit and been patient. Instead, we're back to square one.
I expected better out of you, Scott. You better be right about all of this. If you're not, I hope you don't expect better out of me.
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I thought of writing Haley a letter of support myself.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
It's the thought that counts
Fuck 4 weeks of Palko
For constantly playing Palko, Haley needs to be fired
by ArrowheadHunter on Dec 15, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm actually convinced it WAS Haley's fault that Palko was the backup QB
The GM puts the roster together, but the head coach decides who plays. Never starting Gaither was on Haley. Starting Palko over Stanzi (right or wrong) was on Haley. Giving Jones so many carries was on Haley. Time will tell if it was Pioli or Haley who should’ve been dismissed, but I think you have to at least see how the team does the rest of the year under Crennel.
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 15, 2011 5:03 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
He wanted to limit Jamaal's carriers for when we needed him and to prolong his career
And he still got hurt.
As for Gaither, I don’t think he was a good fit for our blocking scheme. Although at this point, I wouldn’t call what we are doing “blocking.”
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I actually agreed with limiting Charles's Carrie last year
I have no idea why Jones has been getting carries over Battle this year though
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 15, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly can't tell the difference
Neither of them can break tackles, but at least Battle falls forward for that extra half-yard. That adds up to a nice 3rd and 6 rather than 3rd and 7 each time.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
When people tackle Battle it looks like it hurts
When they tackle Jones it looks like they just stand in front of him and he goes down. I just think it looks like Battle would do more with those carries than Jones would.
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 15, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
usually hear some helmets smacking or a big collision. that wears the shit out of a defense over the course of the game.
You can't tell a difference because you're comparing them to Charles.
Look at the stats, Battle is 4.0 YPC versus Jones at 3.0 YPC. That may seem like nothing compared to what we’re used to, but it’s the difference between “relevant” and “awful”.
Agreed.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I like JC and Battle out of the backfield next year (with maybe a little more ball carrying McClain in there, especially in short yardage situations)
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Who’s fault is it that Tyler Palko is the backup quarterback on this team?
Todd Haley. Last I checked, the coach creates the depth chart. Todd Haley is the one that had a clipboard holder move to second on the depth chart while a promising young rookie was relegated to being inactive whenever possible. Pioli doesn’t control the depth chart.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Dec 15, 2011 5:03 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Pioli does control who he signs FOR that depth chart. Not Haley’s fault that he had only Palko and a 5th round rookie QB as backups to Cassel.
by BAyers2929 on Dec 15, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there's a fifth rounder whose doing a pretty serviceable job in Houston right now.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Dec 15, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah and Pioli passed on him to take Stanzi...
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
by KSU-Chief on Dec 15, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that Romeo said in no uncertain terms that Palko would not play
even if Stanzi was the only available QB, indicates to me that it is well known that Stanzi is an upgrade over Palko.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Dec 15, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How do you define no uncertain terms?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
"Orton will start on Sunday. And if he can't go, Stanzi will start"
sounds like no uncertain terms to me.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Dec 15, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
If Stanzi was ready to play
then there would be NO reason to start Orton. Why so we can win a few games to lower our draft pick? So the GM doesnt look like a DBag for picking him up on Waivers when we were out of the playoffs? If Orton does start it will be because either Stanzi isnt ready or Pioli is telling RAC who to play. Either way it is BAD for KC…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Sure there would (be a reason to start Palko)
Romeo isn’t trying to get higher draft picks, he’s trying to win the permanent job.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
He would have a better resume if
he won a game with Stanzi. No one will care if he wins a game with Orton. Haley won a game with Palko. I dont want them to start Palko at all. I really think the only reason RAC is playing Orton is because Pioli is telling him to… Why would you not want to see where Stanzi is as a player unless he really isnt ready. Winning a game with Orton or losing all three with Stanzi isnt going to do anything or hurt RAC going forward…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Sorry, I meant there's a good reason to start Orton, NOT Palko
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I think he's starting Orton because he thinks Ortons a good veteran QB
In his pressed he mentioned Orton lighting up the Chiefs. I really think Romeo just wants the team to play as well as possible for the next 3 weeks so he can be the next head coach.
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 15, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
and romeo wants the hc job
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 15, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yates was 5 or 6 picks later than Stanzi.
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his way" Josh Billings
Kansas City Chiefs - 2020 Team of the Decade
why would you not at least try your fifth round rookie after all those terrible outings by Palko?
not even giving Stanzi a shot was all on Haley. Palko is possibly the worst QB to EVER start a game in the NFL. how do you go from being CUT in the UFL to “more reliable” than a 5th round rookie?
BOOM!
by 808NaNz808 on Dec 15, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How do we even know Stanzi isn’t horrible? I mean, he couldn’t beat out TYLER PALKO on the depth chart all season. You’d figure if he showed ANYTHING at all all season, he would have been out there.
Gaither "couldn't" beat out Richardson
but look how he’s doing in San Diego.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
Gaither?
Maybe Gaither shouldn’t have had terrible work ethic and he’d have over taken Barry. If you didnt know, SD has lost about 6 tackles this season. Without Gaither they’d be starting Tolbert at LT. Of course they’re going to praise him, because without him, they’d be starting a guy off the streets and Rivers would have been hurt 2 weeks ago.
by BAyers2929 on Dec 15, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We'll find out how good Gaither is this weekend
He’s got Suggs Sunday. Hope Suggs eats him alive.
But, if Gaither stands pat, holds him sackless, no holding penalties… then Pioli…… OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!
what if haley was the one who told pioli that gaither wasn't cutting it?
haley and the coaches (muir) work closer than pioli with the players. even so, gaither could have been too lazy to WIN a starting job and he wanted one handed to him like san diego. haley is about competition and earning your due. maybe gaither didn’t want to do that. no one outside the coaches and GM knows what really happened there.
According to PFF, Gaither has allowed zero pressures in 2 games.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
The only times I've been able to watch Gaither with the Chargers
He was straight holding the crap out of the DE every play. It was ridiculous. Of course that was his first game and the refs seemed to be handing SD the game on a silver platter… so he never got a flag.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Palko looked horrible in preseason. Everyone wanted him cut.
Stanzi looked sharp in preseason. Not saying it means anything, but i’ve never seen Palko even resemble an NFL QB. At least Stanzi made some NFL throws in preseason. And if Stanzi is indeed worse than Palko, he shouldn’t be on the roster next year.
by ChiefsFetish on Dec 15, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe
Stanzi hadn’t learned the offense. Still probably doesn’t know it but Crennel had to go with the popular option. Which was not Palko
by BIG_CHIEF18 on Dec 15, 2011 9:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Notice that we're fighting facts with conjecture though?
We KNOW Palko is as horrible a QB we’ve ever seen. We KNOW Gaither is a better T than B-Rich. So we say, “well what if Stanzi’s worse? What if Gaither had a bad attitude?”
I’m not saying either is impossible, but there’s two situations in which a horrible player stayed on the field while the player behind him didn’t get a shot. The common denominator? Todd Haley. He of 2.7 over JC, Mike Goff over Wade Smith, And putting Copper and Urban in the games over Bowe and Breaston.
That’s a LOT of the same type of thing for one coach, and it starts to look like a pattern of stubbornness after a while.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 15, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Then you also know
That one of the reason he left his last station was he refused to play RT, and now is happy because what.. he is playing LT
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 15, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
OK, there's some circumstantial evidence
That MAY back one ONE of those instances. And the others?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
He also said when he was signed.
He would play either position, and in fact, was the backup in both positions.
"I was working for the Chiefs, I wasn’t working for Pioli, wasn’t working for Haley, I’m working for the Chiefs." - Romeo Crennel
Charles couldnt "beat out" Jones on a depth chart
Couldnt read too much into that with Haley
by Chiefs fan in ST Louis on Dec 15, 2011 6:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not true...
Apparently you forget about a guy named Brodie
Love the fire and desire
but Palko seemed to fit the Haley mold. Haley liked him in ARZ, liked him in to be the backup QB
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
and if it was Haleys decision to stick with Palko
then Haley is indeed responsible for Palko’s results. Which is a laughable (fireable offense)
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
by Jay Cotton on Dec 15, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If McDaniels is hired as a HC....
This fan will really consider dis-owning the team until 2015, when both McDaniels and Pioli will be fired after three losing seasons.
by BAyers2929 on Dec 15, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If McFailure is hired, there wont be a team in 3 years. Haha
"Oh I'm Sorry I Thought This Was AMERICA"
by porkchop_sandwiches on Dec 15, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, because the players he drafted and signed in Denver is totally stinking it up right now.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
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by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 15, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
I am already ready to disown them if McD is hired.
Won’t be easy, but I will question what this organization believes in
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 15, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever.
Noone on this board is disowning the Chiefs. You all are freaks (like me) and will never not be interested in what happens here. I tried to pick a different team to root for this season… didnt work, I just dont care. Apart from specific players I like seeing do well, I cannot participate in artifical “fandom”.
by Ole_Miss_Guy on Dec 16, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Because it's the USA: where we only give second chances in the movies.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-15-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 15, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder how Derrick Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles and other improved players feel about his firing? I wonder if it will cost the franchise Bowe now with the uncertainty looming over this team like a hazy fog in the night.
Yesterday, Nick Wright was reporting that Haley was making Pioli’s job of negotiating a long term deal with Bowe more difficult because Bowe was contantly being berated and talked down to in practice.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Dec 15, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
What ^he said
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
He's caught his fair share of balls
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
And dropped as many TD's as Brandon Marshall
That isnt good if you know :)
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
He’s also dropped his fair share of balls. Especially that WIDE OPEN TD in NY on Sunday. I swear I could have caught that and I have hands like griddles.
Its a fact that recievers drop passes...
Top, elite, world class, WR rarely do… You won’t hear me put D-Bowe in that category
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
I agree
but Bowe is in the top 15 ever year… Not just in amount of drops because that can be taken out of context. He is in the top 15 in % of targets dropped.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
So I dont get the point...
Does he not get extended? Is he not the top 10 WR that people say Haley created? Should he not play?
My point is he still is a good WR top 17 or so, with a high ceiling to be above average
Is he consisently good enough to have on your team? I’d have to say yes
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
I want him here in the NFL
the issue I have is that if you want to be paid like a top 10 WR in the NFL quit dropping the easy passes… You NEVER see Fitz, A.Johnson, Welker, C.Johnson drop passes like Bowe… He should not be surprised that ANY coach wouldnt be up his ass for dropping passes. I dont agree if some of the language was colorful in nature but he simple doesnt like being treated in any manner other than “I am a superstar”
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Andre Johnson dropped a wide open, medium length pass this preseason.
TO has also had issues with drops in the past, and he’s one of the best ever.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
haha
welker dropped one in the endzone last weekend.
by DuckyoDeath on Dec 15, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
I guarantee you would not catch it
Because if you saw Palko actually throw you a good pass, you would in complete shock.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 15, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My honest belief
is that no matter how much any of them liked Coach Haley, they hated the humiliating blowout losses more. These are competitive men. They would want a coach that allowed them to be competitive and successful more than anything.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
IF they don’t want to get blown out, maybe they should have played better. The coach isn’t out there missing tackles and dropping wide open TD passes. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a coach that got burned on a long TD pass.
I have seen a stubborn coach
make a mockery of calling plays, running an offense, look like a offense, drawing flags, and yelling expletives on the sidelines though
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
True
but quit ranting about how great Haley was and how he got the most out of his players and how hard they played for him. Can’t have it both ways.
And I think we can all agree that it wasn’t JUST the effort. Dexter McCluster can try his little heart out, but he’s not going to succeed on a give up the gut on 3rd and 5.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
yes but what about the bull shit play calling by haley
mccluster up th gut get the guy killed cmon man
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 15, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
If you run it outside every time, you make yourself predictable
McCluster had to take those short runs up the middle to open other things up. If he can’t run up the middle without losing the ball, he shouldn’t have been drafted.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Sudden, remember in 2009 when Bowe was in Haley's doghouse and EVERYONE was applauding the move because it FORCED Bowe to work harder?
remember? how is it different now than it was then? if it was ok then, why is NOW so radically different?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Dec 15, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
(slapping forehead) of course!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
And Bowe turned it around.
He was performing quite well this season as well as last. At some point, you must acknowledge when a guy has turned it around and get off his ass.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Bowe leads the AFC west in drops
Dont really call that a turn around…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Who is more important to this team...
Bowe or Haley?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Bowe also leads the AFC in pistachio nuts eaten on a tuesday
LOOK MA, I CAN MAKE UP STATS TOO!
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Really Craig?
2008-2010 Bowe had a 13.87% drop rate… http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/23/drop-percentage/
I will find the AFC West article that had Bowe having 7 drops this year so far. I cant remember at what point in the season it was but I think it was 2 or 3 weeks ago.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
2011 Drops YTD
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232
Bowe is 4th in the NFL, not exactly praise-worthy, but not #1. You’ll also notice alot of big time recievers on that list meaning because they get alot of balls thrown in their direction. I’m not saying Bowe is having a banner year, but he is by far the best player we have on offense.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
If you read it again
I said #1 in the AFC West in drops.
The whole point of the conversation is that they were acting like no coach would have a reason to yell at Bowe… That isnt the case.
I agree that he is the best weapon but there have been plenty of reason to be in his case this year just like every year in the past…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Reading has never really been my strong point.
I prefer to make smart assed comments replying to things I thought I saw.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jesus, who are the other powerhouse receivers in the AFC West?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I agree man
I just think there has been plenty of times Haley had every right to get on his butt.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
People
were saying that Bowe wasnt signed long term yet because Haley yelled at him… I am just making a point that he kind of had a reason to yell at him. He still drops way too many balls that he should catch. All WR drop passes it happens, I just cant remember the top 10 WR’s in the NFL dropping a higher % of passes. Not just total passes because he gets a crapload thrown his way but % of targets…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I think some sites count balls that are not really catchable.
That site has him at 10… They must count anything that hit his hands… I think that is WAY too many for him this year.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Here it is
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/36252/final-word-afc-west-25
I was wrong it was 4 drops
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Haley did a great job with Bowe.
We should try and hire that guy as our Receiver Coach.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Bowe has enough to do as it is.
"I was working for the Chiefs, I wasn’t working for Pioli, wasn’t working for Haley, I’m working for the Chiefs." - Romeo Crennel
If I recall
It was Pioli that ran Tony G and Waters out of town, not Haley.
On the contrary, there are players that came here to play and get better under Haley.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
If you believe War Room
Pioli wanted Tony G to stay with the team & help in the transition, but he still wanted to go to an immediate contender.
As for Waters, I don’t think he was ‘run out of town’, he was replaced with Asamoah (who’s doing quite well). In retrospect it may have been a mistake in keeping Lilja instead of Waters though
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
immediate contender is BS ... hell's bells, Pioli blew off the entire 2009 season just to evaluate players
… immediately after he brings in a low quality QB without bothering to rebuild the OLine (which he still hasn’t finished doing) … this year he drafts a diva in the first round, just brilliant!
no, immediate contender is illusory BS to appease the masses
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I think you misunderstood (my unclear writing)
I mean that TG wanted to leave because he didn’t want to waste any more time on ‘another’ rebuilding project in KC. Hard to blame him.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
correct
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I actually think the Tony G move was more on Tony than anybody else.
I think Waters moving was more due to Asamoah than Waters (an honestly Lilja was better than Waters last year).. I can understand that move.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Waters himself said Asamoah was ready to play.
And they certainly weren’t going to dump Lilja, who was probably their best lineman last year.
"I was working for the Chiefs, I wasn’t working for Pioli, wasn’t working for Haley, I’m working for the Chiefs." - Romeo Crennel
And that little thing I posted
says that he wants to come back.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 15, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Very Nice Flowers.
REC
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points
Think about that! We got blown out and embarassed every other week. And it wasn’t like we were dominant in the other half of those games.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
We either lose big or win small.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 15, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
ok then so
at what point would the DC not take blame too and be fired, I mean its his defense giving up that many points along with the O not scoring, now Im not calling for Crennel to be fired I like the guy but I also didnt like Haley being fired, I think he should have been given another year
When the O doesn't leave the D on the field 95% of the time
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Jets moved down the field first drive like a hot knife through butter.
"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
by electriclight on Dec 16, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm working on the definitive rebuttal
will be posting tonight.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Looking forward to it
Attempted a more comedic, simple approach to this, but it was pushed off of the fanposts pretty quickly. Good luck
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm also looking forward to it
That kind of back and forth is what AP is all about baby
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
I look forward to your comments on it.
Over the last few days, I’ve been tempted t rec everything you’ve written on the subject. You and I seem to share a lot of agreement on this.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
If your head coach ask for a QB
and you get that QB, and he doesnt pan out, and said coach continues to play said QB. and said QB is garbage, then its time to toss the baby and the bath water
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
Nicely Done
I agree with some of this but as stated above Gaither not really getting a shot and the Palko failure are on Haley. Yes we should have had a better #2 QB to begin with but starting that guy 4 games is all Haley.
The Pitt example is superb, this is what I have been thinking. Everyone talks about wanting that stability but as Joel pointed out head coaches last approx. 2.5 years here in KC. That’s not appealing. Not to anyone who wants to be a coach and not to any fan.
Ugh, I hate the reset button, even if it needed to be pressed.
I'd love a coach to stay as long as Cowher Fisher, Reid, etc...
but which one of the previous coaches in KC, you could look at before they were fired and say " I like where the team is going?" I’d say none of them…
This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...
Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE
I know
That’s the hard part. I still don’t even see anyone out there who will be available that I am excited about. I also think Haley will be a great coach but it’s hard to just overlook the week in and week out of being unprepared and inconsistent. Either way it’s just not an easy decision. I’m not completely for it or against it right now, just up in the air waiting to see what happens next.
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 15, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
The Pitt example is superb, this is what I have been thinking. Everyone talks about wanting that stability but as Joel pointed out head coaches last approx. 2.5 years here in KC. That’s not appealing. Not to anyone who wants to be a coach and not to any fan.
I for one thought that Haley’s firing was unfair (with the limited information we have). He played Palko, but we don’t know why he didn’t play Stanzi. He could have been hurt or anything. Romeo isn’t planning to start Stanzi either. He is starting a crooked fingered Orton. Not listing injuries is also a part of the Patriots way. And then there was the lockout. With a full offseason, we might not be having this conversation.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
Appreciate the honesty, flowers
But why does the clear point that Haley leaned towards players he was familiar with, like Palko, Pope, Urban, etc. get shifted to Pioli? You think Pioli told Haley he was going to take these players BECAUSE he had worked with them before? You don’t think Haley had any say over the personnel on this team? You don’t think Pioli got most of his info on who to sign/release from the coaching staff? I just don’t get how this gets ignored to defend a terrible in-game coach that was getting blown off the field by the opponent more often than not.
With that said, while Pittsburgh has been lucky in their coaching endeavors through their history, there is NO other franchise that has been able to emulate what they have done. When a coach just isn’t getting a response from his team, when the coach’s ideas just aren’t producing results, when the coach just can’t seem to figure out which direction the team should be heading, what other choice is there but to try something different? If you can get the coach to try something different, then keep on with him to see how it rides out, but is there any evidence ri show that Haley was willing to try something different? We all know the answer to that, and the only thing Pioli/Hunt can do now is find a coach that is willing to adapt to obstacles to try to overcome them, not continue to bang against them with the same tatic hoping to breakthrough
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 5:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Piggybacking on Delany's point
Pioli specifically brought Haley in because he was looking for someone who would partner with him in personnel evaluation. He wanted someone with a scouting background, and Todd’s pedigree as the son of Dick Haley was a big driver in that hiring decision. The offensive staff on this team has all the makings of Todd Haley. Pioli assembled the defensive players, but he gave Todd a wide berth on the offensive personnel. That is why we have so many cardinals cast offs like Pope and Urban. That is why we have Palko of Western PA. Pioli wanted to find the next Bellichick in terms of a coach who would also provide valuable player evaulations input. And he’s recognized that mistake. I guarantee that Haley was the one that wanted to keep LJ (everything about LJ’s prior comments during the Herm era would’ve indicated someone not buying into the Pioli model).
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
I'll even try to defend Haley here on trying something different
Haley tried to go through preseason differently than any other team with this unique offseason. It didn’t work.
Isn’t this the same argument people try to use as a negative on Pioli? Pioli tried to get a franchise QB with Cassel. It didn’t work.
Hindsight is 20/20
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 5:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Does that mean
When Pioli insists on Cassel next season we can fire him?
by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 15, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
He won't
Pioli will be trading up for Barkley. Write it down. I’ve been saying it for a month.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Doubtful
Not with the other holes that are on the roster. Maybe in the following draft, but I think he’ll want to fill out the rest of the roster before giving up many picks for one guy.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I would say it depends on if its possible to get his replacement
If we pass in a top QB in the draft, then Pioli deserves to be questioned and ultimately fired. If we aren’t in a position to get a new QB, what other options have him?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 5:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we
aren’t in a position to draft a new QB, it will be because Pioli failed in one of the facets of his job. It’s pretty simple.
This space for rent.
That might be the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen
If we aren’t in a position to draft a QB, i.e. we had enough wins to be out of position in the draft to take a QB, then Pioli failed? Because Pioli’s main facet of his job isn’t to win games?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 6:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Part of
his job is getting the players needed to win a championship. That includes manipulating the draft order if necessary. I probably should have spelled it out for you.
This space for rent.
He should make an effort to move up for a QB
I think if there is evidence that he attempts to, even if he ultimately deems the price tag to be too much for the move, that would be sufficient for me. Although, I do believe that he will move up to the #2 or #3 spot and select Matt Barkley.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Never in my life have I seen the Chiefs get blown out as consistently
as under Todd Haley. It’s ridiculous.
If you like getting blown out, then Haley is your guy.
If you like creepy assholes who are either too stubborn or too stupid to do things the right way, then Haley is your guy.
If you like your coach to ramble and say absolutely nothing whenever asked a question which interests you as a fan, instead of just talking a little bit about your favorite team from a first hand perspective, making press conferences unlistenable, then Haley is your guy.
Good luck with that.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 5:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Agree, I can't think of less professional coach
Maybe Ozzie Guillen, but that guy is kick ass
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Love me some Ozzie
If we had a polarizing coach like Ozzie, I would be against firing Haley. But Ozzie earned the right to be that way, as coaches talk, championships walk. Haley is just ho hum/dodge questions with the media. I wished he would be more fiery with the media like he was in practice and on the sidelines
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 5:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bill Parcells?
Jim Schwartz?
Gunther Cunningham?
Billy Martin?
I can go on.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
JoePa?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Jerry Sandusky?
I heard he was really hard-on the kids at Penn State.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Mark Mangino
I heard he wipes his ass with a beach towel and then just throws it on the locker room floor for some unlucky towel boy to pick up.
Nick Wright said it so it must be true.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I've heard that from more than one person
same with Majarius
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the floor in that locker room?
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
by Nick Britt on Dec 15, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your right
Haley was my guy.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
When will know who the next guy is?
Why give yourself a 3 week jump and do nothing at all?
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed Steve
This whole thing is just full of unanswered questions.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Just like Haley's game plans
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
I just dont want to argue anymore here about Haley
I’m not going to change my feelings on his abilities as a coach, but I’d just like to finish out the year with three strong efforts for Romeo
Right there beside you brother
only…if the epic fail that eveyone says this season was continues…can we be silent?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Why would you be silent?
We fired a coach because this team was not performing. If an interim coach can’t turn it around in 3 games, why would the complaints differ?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 5:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because the "new"majority doesn't want to hear that Haley's firing was a mistake.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Why do you find the need to constantly position yourself in some contrary minority?
Is it for attention? Or do you just have a crush on Creepy Todd?
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would say that your perception belongs to you
the truth or fiction of it is as yet unclear and unproven.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Right but he makes a fair point
You are now waffling on all your positive spin NOW that disagree with something the team has done. You’re dogging the entire organization from the top down suddenly because you don’t agree with a move.
I see that as fairly ridiculous, but I’m sure you care.
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Dec 16, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Even if Romeo fails,
Doesn’t mean firing Haley was a mistake. Haley was horrible this year. Time to move on to the next one. Haley was hs own definition as a YO-YO guy.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Whoever he is
he better show some love to Stanzi, or the masses will revolt.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
The masses of Iowa Homers?
Sheesh I wish sorta we hadn’t drafted the dude for all the crap you all spew cause he ain’t on the field. If Blaine Gabbert and Chase Daniels could have got selected by the Chiefs I would not act like you all do
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not a Stanzi homer , by any stretch of the imagination
Chiefs homer yes., Haley supporter yes. but I do hope like hell we get to see Stanzi play before the end of the season, just to put to rest one way or the other what we have in this kid. so hopefully we have better topics to discuss than alot of the crap thats been permeating this site lately.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
We got blown out sure....
But I don’t understand how some major factors are ignore. For example, as stated above,
1. the offseason. Haley’s offseason program is a big part of what he does.
2. Last year. How can it just be ignored? Blow outs are not as important as losses when speaking of negatives. We have won more games than anyone thought we would win under the circumstances, and likely as many as any coach in the league could have strained out of this current roster. We went from 2 wins to 4 wins to 10 if I am not mistaken. And all of a sudden after 3/4 of a lockout season he is an awful coach. Ok.
3. Injuries. Again, no team in the league would have survived the loss of their Starting QB, their best offensive player, their best defensive player, and their best tight end.
I just don’t get how none of this matters. I know we can’t change things and it is what it is at this point. I am just discussing with those who believe that Haley should have been fired.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
by Enite on Dec 15, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
or me
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Ditto
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
True
"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
by electriclight on Dec 16, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
"In Pioli we trust"
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 15, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
No, e pluribus unum
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
"The Right 53"
“It’s a process”
Yes…all worn-out and tired phrases.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 15, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
you forgot whoever gives us the best chance to win on sunday will play
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 15, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Rec
it has to be the 1st time you ever put those 4 words together:)
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Unless we pool our money & buy the Chiefs, what choice do we have, really?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Chiefs Will!!!!
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Even if you believe Haley is a good coach...... it doesn't matter.
If the HC and GM can’t get along then they’re just going to fuck over the fans year after year with their childish feud. At least one of them needed to go and maybe both.
I am Haley's biggest supporter...and even I agree with this
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
but the point as made is correct
it is a workplace after all and personal feelings should not enter into it
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
completely agree
and this entire article is far too dramatic. There were perfectly legitimate reasons for firing Haley. This letter is just obnoxious. His preseason plan failed, egregiously failed. His offensive system was completely dysfunctional LONG before Palko was our starter. Cassel couldn’t score to save his life either. Offense is supposed to be his specialty. And don’t throw that on Muir because a) Haley obviously gets say so on his coordinator, and b) if Muir was the problem haley had all season to fix it and WE STILL CAN’T GET A DAMN PLAY IN ON TIME. That is unacceptable.
haley made a lot of mistakes.
The article is right that there is a lot of fault on Pioli, too, but blame is shared and Pioli is doing the right thing by moving on because he just couldn’t work with haley. but even if they worked great together, haley was messing up left and right it was getting embarrassing.
by malgorthewarrior on Dec 15, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
embarassing is winning 2-4 games a season
I think the Chiefs would have finished with 7 this year even with all our injuries
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly disagree
I know it makes me a bad fan and all, but if we’re not making the playoffs anyway.
I’d rather lose 14 games by 3 than 9 by 26.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Totally irrational point of view.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
well, now we know ... it's not how many games you lose, it's the point spread that counts ;-)
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
In the crude words of Jon Gruden
Fuckenay.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
I think you guys are skipping the first sentence of that statement
Obviously wins are the only thing that really matters, but if you aren’t making the playoffs anyway, then your record is meaningless. If you don’t make the playoffs, your record is all about your pride and judging your team’s progress.
In this scenario, my point of view is completely rational. I think a 2-14 team that is in a position to win every game is closer to being a contender than a team that’s getting blown out every other week, but winning a game here and there.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
So Indy wins it all next year?
Winning is far harder than playing close. I remember Haley in 2009 in Philly decided to run the ball down by a couple of touchdowns.
He got roasted by us fans for not attempting to win the game.
Can’t win either way so score means nothing other than someone won and someone lost
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Since when was Indy playing close games?
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly, Indy has been getting that ass whupped.
Their coach and GM should be fired.
Miami, on the other hand… I’m scratching my head just a bit on that one.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because they lost one of the best QBs in the game to injury?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
See the 2008 Patriots
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 16, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
So what you are saying is that Hoodie really is a genius?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
I think he's the best coach in the league right now
bar none. (McCarthy has been good and so have a few others, but he’s been good over a longer duration)
I think it’ll be interesting to see how he’ll do in the future as the team’s roster start to have less and less of Pioli’s fingerprints on it. I remember during Pats week hearing how most NE fans have been pretty underwhelmed with how things have gone in the personnel department since Pioli left.
I think it’s funny that they’re all saying it was all Pioli while we’re all saying it was all Belichick.
Maybe Belichick was the stronger of the pair, but he still needed Pioli’s help to push the team from elite to dominant. Then again, maybe they were just kind of lucky there for a few years lol
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 16, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
Don't say that too loud :)
maybe they were just kind of lucky there for a few years lol
If the fans find out, they’ll stop spending 9 Billion dollars a year to watch this stuff! :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
looks like the way Pioli prepared the roster he agrees with you
We ain’t winning and I ain’t spending Clarks money on a loser
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
That is a very nice twist
on the truth that a loss is a loss and a win is a win. The ‘closeness’ of either makes little difference to the record keepers.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
But it does make a difference to the evaluators.
And that’s where we stand.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Dec 15, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
To 'some' of the evaluators
Haley is what buoyed much of my enthusiasm for the Chiefs going forward. In some ways now, that has lessened and I feel the grip of the old losing ways creeping back in. If that happens, the fans will wish that it had been pioli that went away and not Haley.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
by Aiken_Drum on Dec 16, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What makes you feel that way, other than the change at HC and QB?
A game has yet to be played. All’s we know right now is that that game will be played with Palko on the bench.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
No, it's not irrational.
It speaks to how competitive the team actually was. A 3 point game usually could have gone either way. A blowout is a blowout, it’s embarrassing, pathetic, and not productive.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just to offer a counter argument......
A blow out could be more productive. A blow out shows the team definitively that they have to do better. Close games make a bad team think that they are closer than they really are to being a good team.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
And both points of view deal with things that did NOT happen
A win is a win and a loss is a loss. In the words of the Tuna—you are what your record says you are.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
With all due respect to the Tuna and yourself
Bullshit…you are NOT what your record says you are. I think we all knew that the 0-7 Dolphins were a much MUCH better team than the 0-7 Manningless Colts.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
Now how am I supposed to deal with that? I take the Tuna’s word or yours. Hm….
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
As far as things that matter go like the playoffs and draft position,
you are what your record says you are.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
right now? what do you mean "right now" ... since when are you ever a "sportswriter" instead of a fan? come on, man :-)
I’m not a sportswriter right now …
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
oh, and Flowers, FWIW ... train wreck'd, my friend ... well said
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Sir
I did write for a while as a sportswriter/columnist before I moved on at an actual newspaper…so technically I’m a paid writer :)
Regardless, a fan first and foremost
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
ha nice zing
most sports writers don’t write under names like “flowers24.” aren’t these called fan posts anyway?
most of the fans that get the front page posts on here wouldn’t make it long in journalism because there are word limits. there are a couple of people that publish a novel a week.
by malgorthewarrior on Dec 16, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Dear Scott:
You’ve done some good things, some shitty things and some “meh” things. If you don’t get us a top tier QB this offseason, you’re dead to me
Signed, Craig
Dear Open Letters:
Everyone seems to write you these days, and I think it’s about time to wrap up this format,
viva Haiku’s
Signed, Craig
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions
A top tier QB
Was all Haley needed in the end.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Interesting, other than Norv Turner
There aren’t too many coaches who fail with a top-tier QB….I sense a connection there.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
So a Top Tier Qb
is a good thing ?
Not just ones you pay 60million? but they have to actually be good also?
No long a KC Chief fan.
Just a follower.
Ya along ways from fixing this broken Franchise.
You been to Arrowhead? I bet most Chiefs fans can't read let alone come up with witty haikus
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Rocking Camaro
Your T-tops set my soul free
As does Super Tramp
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 15, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Mullet waves in breeze
Stereo jamming Free Bird
God I love T-Tops
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
101 The Fox
Ozarka Chiefs N’ Chopper
Look away now Wolf
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 15, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Awww...that was a bit below the belt.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
craig chiefs getting 14 pts take um or not
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 15, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I would took the Packers by 30 if \hley was coaching.
I actually think they play inspired this week with the change and make more of a game than most expect. Packers by 14.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
So I know Scott Pioli is the GM
and is in charge of personnel. But I’m just curious where all of the Cardinal retreads come from? Like Lance Long, Leonard Pope, Tim Castille, Jeremy Urban, Anthony Becht, Steve Breaston, etc. I mean, I highly doubt it’s just a coinicidence that we keep bringing them in and Haley just happen to coach them. Obviously he had some influence on the roster. Pioli must have “worked” with Haley on this, right???
Pioli must have "worked" with Haley on this, right???
He absolutely did. Pioli virtually gave control of offensive staffing to Haley. Pioli focused his scouting efforts on creating the defense. And we have a pretty solid defense now, and one of the worst offenses in the league. Everything about this offense has Haley’s fingerprints on it, and it’s been a miserable failure in every regard.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Just look at the personnel on the offensive side of the ball, it's damn near self evident
All of those former cardinals; Thomas Jones, who Haley had an open bromance with; drafting a 1st round WR from PITT (although I believe Pioli liked him as well); Tyler Palko of Western PA; all of these guys have Haley’s fingerprints all over them. The only ones that have Pioli’s fingerprints are the OLine and Moeaki. And even where the OLine is concerned, I wonder if Pioli even buys into the ZBS.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
You believe Pioli liked Baldwin?
Read War Room. Nobody tells Pioli who he is drafting. It is his room.
as it should be
that is the one place Pioli should rule
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Read it, he absolutely did like Baldwin
and although no one tells him who to draft, he does seek out the opinions of his coaches. In the presser when he hired Haley, he mentioned one of the big reasons was Todd’s background in scouting and player evaluation.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Fair enough
You just made it seem like Pioli might have liked him. I think by saying you “believe he liked him” that’s where I got it. No biggie. Go Chiefs.
might it be because we were drafting all those defensive players?
and McCluster with Arenas was a double down on the woeful Chiefs return game we have bitched about for 5 years.
so three drafts
Cassel?
Asamoah
Hudson
Baldwin
a FB
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
A coach that deserves to be fired
Steve Hoffman.
Seems like we never block a punt, field, or return a kick for a TD anymore.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
It's weird how that happened after Pollard left.
by ChiefsFetish on Dec 15, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
it isn't where you parked your car either :)
"Nah. Basket weaving was too hard, so I changed to journalism." - Joe Namath, in response to a jibe about whether he had majored in basket weaving.
Ahh, I had almost forgotten one of my favorite things about Pollard.
He did have a knack for blocking punts.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 6:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope Pioli sticks with the ZBS
Because Albert at LG, Hudson at C, and Asamoah at RG is a scary interior line for the next 10 years.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
You forgot about
our former starting QB, Matt Cassel… you know, from NE.
This space for rent.
Not really
I think Pioli went over Haley’s head to hire Jim Zorn and that created some tension. Pioli was supposed to give Haley control over his staff, but I think he took over that duty in either Season 2 or 3.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
When you set franchise records for blowout losses and other negative stats
pretty simple, you lose your job…..and I’m a Todd Haley fan.
considering the bad history of the Chiefs dating back to the 70's
that is one hell of a bad accomplishment.
And what of the franchise records he set on the positive side?
Biggest turn around in team history? He gets nothing for that?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
It's like the Men In Black guys erased the positive things Haley did.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
yeah he gets credit
but you don’t keep your job because of things you did in the past. lots of coaches with successful seasons and playoff wins get fired.
hely couldn’t get along with pioli, that’s enough to warrant a firing anyway.
but more importantly, haley couldn’t run the offense worth crap. before palko was injured we still couldn’t score. in 3 years we never had a great offensive game against a winning team. after over 10 weeks we still couldn’t get a damn play called in on time. wtf?!?!
Haley made enough mistakes to lose his job. It’s really that simple. Pioli is not the only GM that would have made a change in that situation and other coaches have been fired for less. stop crying over spilled milk this is the nfl-a vast majority of coaches are fired.
by malgorthewarrior on Dec 16, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this assessment, partly...
3 days ago I would have fully agreed with it all. Pioli needs to be a professional and get along with his staff, from top to bottom. He should have expected some of these results with the pieces that Haley was given. But since Haley was fired I can’t help but look at all these allegations coming out of One Arrowhead Dr and not hang a lot of the blame on Haley. He was a hothead plain and simple. What we saw on TV on Sunday was only the tip of the iceberg. Apparently he said something to Bowe recently that was bad enough for Bowe to go to his agent and report it with him (according to NW and others). He obviously was rolling with players that DIDNT give us the best chance to win just to spite Pioli since their relationship was so dysfunctional. And he frequently erupted on the sideline at players, other coaches AND officials. This situation had become out of control. I put blame on both sides. Now its up to Pioli to bring somebody else in and be a professional. He’s paid millions of dollars to be the face of this franchise, now he needs to suck It up and do his job both behind the scenes and in the public eye. All eyes are on YOU now Pioli…
by Chiefs08Matt on Dec 15, 2011 5:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
So if you're in a toxic marriage
it’s best to hold onto it for the sake of the kids? Or is best to cut your losses and attempt to move forward? We’ll never know what went on behind the scenes. Usually where there is smoke there’s fire and for all season we’ve been hearing around league circles there is smoke coming from Arrowhead. All we know is the relationship wasn’t working. Right now we’re in the wake of the divorce – things look ugly. Yet it’s like they say, the darkest hour is right before dawn.
Moving forward I’m perfectly content with RAC as our HC and see it as ‘convenient’ we have a coordinator on staff with previous head coaching experience. This isn’t coincidence. All we can do now is watch this play out and remain optimistic. All these people bashing Pioli & Hunt were the same signing their praises when Scott was hired. We have a far more talented roster and coaching staff then what the previous administration gave us. Let’s keep it loyal to our soil and watch this thing play out. Scott has one strike against him, let’s finish the count before we call it a strikeout
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 15, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Crennel is not the answer
I would rather have McDaniels honestly.
If you are nearing your 70s and haven’t made it as a head coach, it isn’t going to happen.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
All I know
is KC hasn’t had this talented of a defense since Marty ball. I’m perfectly fine with Pioli & RAC continuing to build it until we find a long term solution for the HC job. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And defense isn’t the problem side of the ball
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 15, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Well stated Shuffle
I agree wholeheartedly.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
I greened that Shuffle
You are 100% correct. I was singing the praises of Scott when he came aboard. Funny thing about marriages though. You put your trust in a partner and then that Partner starts sleeping somewhere else. If you think that doesn’t change the perception you have about your partner, then I have some koolaid for you. For all we know, Scott is as much a part of the problem as any other player in the play. Maybe he is 100% the problem. If it turns out that way and this team falls apart, there won’t be enough tar and feathers in the state of Missouri to take care of Mr. Pioli.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
said it last year.
and a lot of ppl here jumped all over my case for it. example: no OC wanted to work under haley. true statement, obviously.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I'm not getting involved with the Rift
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 15, 2011 5:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well, whether you like or not, Pioli has custody.
The courts have determined Todd Haley is too vulgar and unkempt.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Funny
He had to go. That’s all I got
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 15, 2011 7:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
I like Haley. I would have been fine had he stayed. but even to a fan of his it was becoming obvious he was just in over his head. for a guy that preached the mantra of progress everyday for three years he couldn’t make any on offense.
by malgorthewarrior on Dec 16, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
onward and upward.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I was saddened by Haley’s departure. I believe he is being scapegoated for Pioli’s inability to bring in depth of talent (what good GM has Tyler Palko as THE back-up QB?) and Clark Hunt’s unwillingness to spend on free agency (what are we, like $20 million under the cap?). I’m a fan, but I called the Chiefs yesterday and told them to not renew my season tickets. It’s too bad, Haley deserved better.
so keep the tickets when we get blown out every game
and give them up for when we win? huh.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
We haven't won yet my brother.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
ahh but we will.
things WILL be better..
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
You have any time frame on that
or is it just an open ended statement? :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
we win more games next year
than this yr? lol
seriously, though. these ppl who claim they are turning in tickets, etc are fickle. things will definitely get better, and i hope when they want to get season tickets, they get a letter saying: DENIED!!!
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Ha Ha
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Like September 11, NEVER FORGET
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Just so you are clear about something...
I don’t understand 90% of what you comment. :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Great Job
Firing Haley was a mistake. The roster lacks depth. Those that think the coach is responsible for the players on the depth chart behind the starter are crazy. The order is controlled by the coach. The players are controlled by the GM. That’s the GM’s resposibility. This wasn’t a marriage, it was a working relationship. Pioli decided it was okay to take the team back to square one. He was wrong. His first 3 moves when hired were hiring Haley, signing Cassel to a $60 million deal and drafting Jackson with the #3 pick. If you don’t like Haley then Pioli went wiff, wiff and wiff on establishing a foundation. If Daniels is hirede then we can safely say that Pioli was just another ray of light shining off the brilliance that is Bill Belichic’s ass.
by IDChop on Dec 15, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
there were plenty of coaching errors
it wasn’t just about depth. this team has a lot of talent and couldn’t even keep it close. as far as backup QB you are dead wrong, sir. if haley didn’t want palko all he has to do is tell pioli “I need a different backup.” do you really think pioli is so invested in palko that he wouldn’t replace him, because it seems to me crennel was able to bench palko within minutes of getting the job.
i’m tired of everyone blaming it all on talent. you don’t say competitive one week, and then with the exact same players get blown out a bunch of times, if it’s only a talent problem. it was also a coaching problem including our inept offense which has plenty of talent.
I am a Haley fan, I wish him well, I would have been fine with him staying another year. but i’m also not blind and it was obvious the guy had a lot of problems.
by malgorthewarrior on Dec 16, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
i will say one thing
Todd’s press conferences compared to romeos are night and day different. Romeo is discussing ALL injuries in detail and talking about who is next if a guy can’t go.
Todd would have called all that family business and repeated a coined phrase :)
I didn’t mind Todd’s approach, but it makes me wonder. Was that all Todd’s decision, or was it Pioli’s (or both), and did Pioli change his mind on it, or is Romeo not caring if Pioli doesn’t want this information talked about?
Yep
All I know is watching Romeo’s press conferences is way better than Haley’s. I almost forgot coaches could have opinions and rationale for their decisions.
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 15, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, we got so much important and deep information from Pioli and Hunt the other day ...
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
i don't think water boarding would work on hunt or pioli
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 15, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
I have no objection to trying ...
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
how about all the season ticket holders respond the same way when pioli or hunt ask them if they are going to re new there season tickets or not.
an eye for an eye
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 15, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haley had his favorites which one of them cost him his job.
Haley went through 4 OC in 4 years. Won’t say I’ll miss him but he is the one that would not play Stanzi.
I said in the preseason when Haley named Muir as OC that it would ultimately cost him his job
My prediction saddened me and now I am a prophet.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Please predict something more positive while you still have the magic
by Chatch McNasty on Dec 15, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
I had a dream that Larry Coker got hired as OC at KU
It was so random that I honestly expect it to come true.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
i say haley is more to blame for the play calling than muir
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Dec 15, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Considering that Haley wasn’t even the CHiefs head coach for a full three years, this statement gives credence to how much the average fan was paying attention.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
You're making mountains out of molehills here.
The Chiefs are on their 4th OC in as many years due to Haley (I’ll grant you that Weis doesn’t appear to be particularly easy to work with either)
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Does Chan even count
He was “Cut” before the season like a lot of players
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
then again
2.7 < 4 years so how could Haley ?
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
you apologize too much
this is a simple situation
coach screwed up, gm screwed up. gm higher up in food chain, responsible for turning situation around, must fire head coach to rectify situation.
that happens every year in the nfl to almost 25 percent of teams. it’s not some tragedy or something. let it go, man. haley was a fuck up. way of the world.
by malgorthewarrior on Dec 16, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Two quick things
1. I must be insane because I liked the Haley approach to pressers. I don’t believe the public should know everything.
2. Let’s all get over the fact that we had a coach who did some cussing and swearing on the sideline. Seriously. By “all” I mean people who think all good coaches apparently speak in Tebow-tongue on the sideline.
I’m out. Take George Washington -6.5 tonight. Bye.
Night Ups
… oh, wait … never mind
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
THat bothers me
but I don’t know why…)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
i didn't mind
Todd’s approach to pressers. Hell if you are insane I’m really insane because I enjoyed Herm’s pressers, Todd’s pressers, and Romeo’s.
I guess I just like hearing people talk about football :D
I liked Haley's toughness
But I DID get tired of blow-out losses and I DID question alot of his opinioned starters.
Why didn’t we hold onto Gaither until the end of the year???
Wouldnt we have picked up a draft pick?
interesting point
if someone wanted to dump a bunch of money on Gaither we would have possibly got a supp pick
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Unless they had a feeling someone was about to take Mims
But I don’t see that happening.. idk, again not a huge deal but something to be thought of.
Would SD have been looking at either Mims or Gaither, due to their LT problem?
the main reason
was apparently it was rumored that another team was going to sign david mims and they didnt want to let him go. But still they shouldve cut wiegman or lilja or maneri instead of a guy who actually has talent and can block
by tyson_jackson who? on Dec 15, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Maneri, let Wigs finish it out.
Classy player deserves to go out a starter. Especially when we arent playing for anything.
yeah i get what ur saying
it just frusturates me cause our o line could be gaither, waters, hudson, asamoah, albert right now and instead its the worst in the nfl
by tyson_jackson who? on Dec 15, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Dont know why people say its piolis fault that palko played
No. Palko played like Absolute SHIT. Even a moron should know any play is better than Palko. I liked Haley too, and regarded him as an offensive guru in his stint at AZ. However, how the hell can you keep starting Palko. Bad for team morale, fan base, and gives us NO fucken chance to win 3 games in a season.
Yet Palko won one game Brodie Croyle never did
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
The only thing I see common with Palco and Croyle.
They are both shitty quarterbacks.
Yeah
I remember back when everyone was clamoring to give Brodie a shot over Damon Huard, even though Brodie was not very good. I was one of the few outspoken critics of Brodie at the time.
I think Stanzi is a better QB than Brodie was, but the fanbase sentiment is eerily similar.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Because Orton was hurt and Stanzi hadn't earned it
I think Haley felt Palko had done more to deserve a shot as a starter than Stanzi. We don’t see the practices. Maybe Stanzi isn’t putting in the work in the film room, who knows?
Haley would have started Orton against the Jets if he could have gone. He has all but admitted to that.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Heard a stat on the radio the other day
The Chiefs have lost by more than 20 points 30 times in team history.
9 of those losses were under Todd Haley.
Haley is a guy that preaches being the same guy every day, yet his teams were the most inconsistent we’ve ever seen.
Yo-yo coach
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I just have a terrible time trying to understand the relevance of that stat
mixed in with all those were wins too.
Losing 13 games in a row seems worse to me than sometimes getting blown out
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not just sometimes
He’s responsible for nearly 1/3 of the blowouts in the entire history of the team.
Some days his teams just failed to show up at all. Thats all on coaching.
THat is just not true.
None of those teams failed to show up…we have proof in the video.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
by Aiken_Drum on Dec 15, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks, that's really productive.
Do you have an actual point, or do you just like reading what you type?
That’s what I thought.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
God forbid someone tell a joke
Sheeeeesh…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Not up in here!!!
Not up in here!!!
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
Come on MN!
Why so serious?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Finals
They’re killing me.
You don’t happen to be an expert in Constitutional Law with an 80 page outline available, do you?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Sure
The one I have is available for a mere $1300 but you will have to use your own paper to print it out. :)
How ya doin’ on them grades anyway?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Just one final down so far
Felt good about it. However, I’ve got my second one tomorrow, and the studying just is not going well. We’ll see.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 15, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Hang with it
You’ll do fine.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Rec'd
We seem to be on opposite sides of the Haley firing, my friend, but I like this lol
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Think about most of this season's wind, Steve...
Nail-biter against the McNabb led Vikings. Fumbled snap causing overtime against the Chargers. We had to come back down 17 against the Colts. The COLTS.
I can’t think of a loss this year on which we scored more than 10 points.
It’s appalling and embarrassing. The blow outs have got to stop.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so all we have to do is score more than 10 points?
Awesome! does the cabbage patch
"Nah. Basket weaving was too hard, so I changed to journalism." - Joe Namath, in response to a jibe about whether he had majored in basket weaving.
Reading comprehension
is just so underrated, it seems.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 6:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What would you say about Denver's wins?
or the Cowboys losses
Shit happens
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
I've been saying since Denver drafted him
that Tebow is a winner. Plain and simple. Looks like he’s proving it right now. Until his deficiencies start losing them games, then that’s the end if that discussion as far as I’m concerned.
And Dallas has been underachieving for years now. I put that on their coach.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
All I'm referring to is the quality of the wins.
The Colts had a 17 point lead on us and they don’t get leads on anybody. Just an example. The losses are humiliating. Just several examples.
What is happening here is a far cry from the seasons where you lose a lot of games, but the team fought hard and kept themselves in it.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sometimes stats and facts are ignored to prove a point.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
I heard that to
I had to reply it to make sure I heard it right
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 15, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Todd Haley on audibles....
hahahaha they asked him about KC and he never mentioned scott pioli, hmmmmm…..
by tyson_jackson who? on Dec 15, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions
we need a gameday thread for this show
his personality is hilarious—not sure if i dislike him more or like him more.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Dec 15, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
I like Haley. Just didn't like him as our coach.
I think he is great on Audibles.
by ChiefsFetish on Dec 15, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
this is a tv show
the field on Sundays is a different place.
Like a battle field
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I just love how he keeps making these snide comments
and you can tell he really, really wants to speak his mind, but he doesn’t want to burn many bridges. keyshawn’s the worst host ever though.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Dec 15, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
It's got to be weird for Haley to give actual answers without skating around the questions.
by ChiefsFetish on Dec 15, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
He is saying We a lot
sad process and the Jets were impressive last week
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
i love the digs the guys are taking on each other
i wish they recorded what was going on during the commercials like they do on PTI
by 1kmilesfromkc on Dec 15, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
I just remember hating looking at Herm's face and hearing his voice on ESPN after he was fired.
I’m enjoying Haley. Is it me or does Todd seem extremely relieved right now?
by ChiefsFetish on Dec 15, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Hobo vs relaxed
yes he looks happy
I swear it is like looking at an ex girlfriend (that I didn’t want to break up with)
I wished it would have worked.
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
very cool
rest of the season sounds good to me
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'll keep watching this show while he's on.
I enjoyed this week. I’m looking forward to Todd getting a new job and working with a GM that isn’t such an egotistical control freak. I’ll bet he finds success there. Todd might be responsible for finding me another team to root for. As long as they aren’t in the AFC West.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
I feel the same way
I really liked the hire. I liked his ballsy play calling. 2009 Steelers game, 2010 Chargers game. I was so pro-Haley. Then the blowouts started happening….
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder what changed ????
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I was thinking the exact same thing while watching!
I hope he dominates in the NFL soon.
But I'm being sarcastic...
if you try explain what changed about this season from prior ones you get bashed as a Homer and a Cpt America hater.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
audibles
Haley takes a sly shot with an elite qb comment… then Keyshawn takes a huge shot at the Chiefs regarding their QB less state when they played Denver. Burn unit!
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
by Falcon58 on Dec 15, 2011 6:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Pioli hires Josh..."I can't even manage a McDonald's"...McDaniels
I might stop watching…
that three-headed Muir-Zorn-Haley
play-calling monster was befuddling. What other team in the history of football has done that? It seemed seriously dysfunctional and I would like to know why the hell they did it. I liked Haley but I guess it had to be him because that ridiculous preseason was mos def his.
Nuh uh, Pioli set up the play calling situation!
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 6:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
this year alone
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
my favorite part of the letter:
By the way, Scott, tell your boss Mr. Hunt that the Steelers – the team he keeps saying he wants to emulate – wouldn’t have done something like this. They would’ve come together as a collective unit and been patient. Instead, we’re back to square one.
Classic moment on "Audibles" on ESPN with Haley
The fan question was about if Jason Garrett would get fired if Cowboys don’t make the playoffs. Trent Dilfer said that Garrett needs to “stop trying to outsmart everyone”….as he stared right at Haley while saying this. Fantastic
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 6:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not sure what you saw there, but a better moment was right after that:
Haley: “Do you think I should have been fired?”
Dilfer: “No.”
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
by Falcon58 on Dec 15, 2011 6:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sorry, before that.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
by Falcon58 on Dec 15, 2011 6:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Was that when they were talking about not judging a coach by his first year?
I turned it on right when they were saying that
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It was right at the beginning of the bit about Garrett.
There was a crack made about Keyshawn being right and coaches getting fired. Haley posed the question, Keyshawn stopped and looked at him, Dilfer said “No”, and Jerry said, “We’ll talk off the air.” Everyone chuckles.
Personally, I agree with them. I don’t believe he deserved to be fired. Not necessarily. But I also think it was inevitable. His conflict with Pioli translated to his job performance which was never going to allow him to keep it… and Haley knew it. I hate that it was detrimental to our team… but I don’t fault the guy for doing the only thing he felt he could do to voice his disagreement with the way Pioli is doing things. Honestly, I hope McDaniels does end up the HC and he fails miserably. Then maybe we can get rid of Pioli. I no longer believe in Pioli. He’ll have to do a lot to prove me wrong. That goes somewhat for Hunt too.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
And how exactly was Pioli "doing things" that Haley felt compelled to disagree with?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Dec 15, 2011 7:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So it's more important for you to see Pioli fail than it is to see the Chiefs succeed?
What if Pioli hired McDaniels and he does a great job…is that a bad thing?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
If he made that move I would be pissed but will still root for success, However there is little to no history that says he will succeed.
Like all employers sometimes you have to look at the person’s skill sets and past success and experiences..
If you hire him just because you know or like him—that’s a recipe for failure.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what to think anymore -
At first I was angry about Haley’s dismissal..
Then I think about how he stuck with Palko.
We just have to move on now;
Hope Pioli knows what he’s doing!
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 15, 2011 6:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You KC Cheifs
going through HC’s like the Raiders.
40 years n counting!
meh Kyle Orton...
Bring in Stanzi, show you can develop a young QB.
Have some balls man. This is your last shot..Stanzi!
Some of this is speculative, as far as I know.
I’m didnt know if was hard fact that Palko was Pioli’s idea, and not Haley. Looks like Pioli is allowing Romeo to play Stanzi if that is his decision.
But all together, I agree with the author, and I hope Mr. Hunt does to.
You better be right Pioli, cause Todd did have his bright spots.
How are we "back to square one"?
A lot of us fans are over-exaggerating and panicking. If we draft a QB, hopefully Kellen Moore in the third round, and draft two OL before that, I don’t see how we are “back to square one”. We had such a lack of talent back then, and its such a turnaround of talent. It is again SOLELY the QB’s fault. No team can consistently be good with Cassel or Palko, and will never win a superbowl with them as QB especially at a time where the quality of QBs in the NFL has gone way up.
maybe we are over reacting
but until Pioli fixes those spots and does draft an upper pick QB, who knows.
Plus now he has to come up with a Head Coach and the possible coaching changes.
Lots of unnecessary changes for a little too much ego
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Disapointing it didn't work, cause I really like Haley
but it’s over now, have to move on, Haley will probably catch fire somewhere else eventually. Too bad.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
the beach bum look?
visor, beard, muscle shirt, shorts … gameday, it’s on
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If Haley stuck with Palko to stick it to Pioli
Then he really just stuck to the fans.If that report is true,I can’t see why anyone supports Haley in KC.Bad personnel moves,ok.Playing politics with the front office while hurting the fans,unacceptable
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 15, 2011 7:12 PM CST reply actions
Says you
you don’t know anymore than the rest of us. Yet Pioli plays those games with the fans and you are fine with that
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Eki Manning would have been fine
and Rodgers according to Haley
obviously Haley in talking about rookie QB TJ Yates is not impressed with any rookie QB’s
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not fine with that I have made my thoughts clear about what I think about Pioli
And I said IF
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 15, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
and he was not impressed with San Francisco or Houston as playoff teams
just like the 2010 Chiefs is the read I got
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
who said that Haley?
who/what are you talking about?
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 15, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
awwww
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 15, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
That's not what he said
Keyshawn refered to the Niners as the feel good story of the year. Todd said they’re the Chiefs of last year. He said nothing negative about the team.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 15, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he meant anything negative
but at the same time the 49ners aren’t overly impressive, like the chiefs of last year.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
its a process
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 15, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
He did say they already celebrated their accomplishment
that is what I thought he meant as to being satisified to be in the playoffs
The Chiefs were and exited quickly
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
I missed Haley's appearance on ESPN. Anyone know where I can find posted somewhere?
Gone scalpin'...
It'll probably be replayed on ESPN.
Let me see if it shows up again.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
Nope, it won't be.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
The one thing that bothers me about post like this.......
It seems the writer is suggesting that Pioli makes all the decisions on the players. In fact I would say Haley most likely carried a ton of influence on who was on this team. Its not as if Pioli told Haley who would be on the team. So if you dont like Palko, thats fine but Pioli and Haley should share that blame. But the decisions to start players is soley on Haley. So as I see it. the Palko debacle as with any player is 2/3rds the fault of haley.
That is all
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by la flama blanca on Dec 15, 2011 7:37 PM CST reply actions
Dear Scott Pioli-
Thank you for recognizing a turd when you see one and flushing it.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Dec 15, 2011 7:37 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Cassel is on IR
not gone forever
He floats down here
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
but he'll be circling the drain for the next year for sure
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Dec 15, 2011 8:14 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Bottom line is the dude started Palko for 4 weeks and saw nothing wrong with it
The ineptness was legitimately hard to watch. Stanzi should have been put in, there’s no 2 ways around it. ANYTHING is better than Tyler Palko
by RamX21 on Dec 15, 2011 8:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Wasn't Croyle the backup in 2009 and 2010?
and he got two starts and lost both, I think maybe that was Pioli’s watch too
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Croyle was already here, already familiar with the team.
Pioli had a lot of gaping holes to fill. He brought in a QB, and I don’t think assuming Croyle would be a serviceable backup for the time being was crazy.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He was like 0-9 when Pioli got here
So if we had played Palko 10 more games or so he still in losing all of them would be a better backup than Brodie Croyle
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Think about Bama
Pioli wanted NO ONE to challenge his Golden Boy for starts
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
OK I disagree with that Brodie argument and always will.
He wasn’t given much of a chance to succeed. Those teams were awful. Way worse than now. I’m not saying Brodie is good, but I think he could have gotten a win with this team just the same as Palko, and it also wouldn’t gave been as ugly. At least Brodie has an NFL arm.
But I can’t disagree totally about Cassel. His untouchable status has frustrated me since the beginning.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So the scenario
The Golden one gets hurt and done for the season.
Haley doesn’t like rookie QB’s (lots of Head coaches don’tlike to play rookie QB’s)
we get Orton on friday before we play New England, So Palko starts and loses.
week two vs Pittsburgh we are in the game and send in Orton and he gets hurt.
Back to Palko.
Week three we beat Chicago in a Tebow like moment :)
Starts Palko vs New York and though we are losing it ain’t really the moment to put in the only QB you have a Rookie on the road in New York.
I don’t get the Palko started 4 games and sucked; worse than the Alternative might have been
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how it could have been much worse.
Palko does not have NFL ability… it really is that simple. He can’t physically be successful as an NFL quarterback.
The guys in charge (Haley) should recognize this, and try something new.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
One has nothing to do with the other.
Not even close to the same situation as starting a high school QB 4 weeks in a row in a crucial stretch of the season
Stanzi was also a College QB
so both players were college QB’s
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Stanzi has a better arm than Palko
Not even a question. Palko doesn’t belong in the NFL, guy got cut from a UFL team. As a HC you have to know what you have on the bench and Haley clearly throughout his tenure failed to see talent on the bench. That falls squarely on the shoulders of Haley. With average QB play we convincingly beat Chi and we beat Pitt fairly easily. The Jets game would have been a nail biter. Fact is Haley was just too stubborn for his own good. Haley is going to learn from this and go on to be a damn good HC, I’ve said before, we got him 1 stop too soon
Does the fact that Orton got injured after a single play
and the additional fact that Ricky Stanzi has never taken a snap in an NFL game, combined with the fact that the team was still in playoff contention HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DECISION? I’m just asking although I am not sure why because it is more than obvious that Haley was supposed to win a Super Bowl WITHOUT players. Otherwise he was just a piece of garbage off the street that was better at handing out money to strangers than coaching a football team.
HAY ZEUS MACNAMARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
No matter what you write or how many caps you use it comes down to this
Is Tyler Palko a better QB than Ricky Stanzi? The answer is no. He should have been benched after his second start at the latest.
How do you know that?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
This team is full of potential that Haley can't use right
Jackie Battle, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas, Jon Baldwin
A good coach would use these players to his advantage.
Agreed, particularly on McCluster and Baldwin.
The two are pretty much opposites, and it’s delightful. Baldwin is hyper-rangey receiver who had the ability to stretch the field and be a killer on deep balls. McCluster is uniquely talented and could be a huge threat if a coach would figure out how to get him the ball in space.
The fact that neither has produced is a pretty glaring statement about who Todd is and who we thought he was when we hired him.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
or the QB we have to get them the ball
or the premier RB that is usually the focus for the opponent, not the gadget guys
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, and Palko cannot get them the ball.
If a QB is what Haley needs to run a successful offense, then he fucked up. And he paid for it.
My biggest problem is that everyone knew pretty quickly that Palko couldn’t do it. Haley is the one getting paid to recognize that fact.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I sure Hope Stanzi gets to play on Sunday
cause a guy on the bench is always better than the guy on the field
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
only one of those you can make an arguement for
Is Mcfumble, and now we can’t blame Haley.
Battle is PS fodder.
Arenas is our returner/ Nickle
Baldwin broke his damn hand.
And im not sure McCluster is the player we all hoped for. I guess now that Haley is gone,
ill start McC on my fantasy team.
No long a KC Chief fan.
Just a follower.
Ya along ways from fixing this broken Franchise.
The Chiefs have lost 8 games and it's because it's more than Haley playing Paliko.
You can start with Tyson Jackson being a non-impact 5th pick overall bust. Jerrell Powe and Jalil Brown for never being able to get themselves on the active roster on Sundays. Cameron Sheffield not being able to beat back ups Cory Greenwood or Andy Studebaker for playing time. Having Demorrio Williams impersonating the 1985 Ken Jolly. Having Sabby Piscitelli, Reshard Langsford, and Donald Washington on your roster. It’s trading away Tony Gonzelas and cutting Brad Cottam and signing Leonard Pope, Anthony Becht and keeping Jake O’Connell. It’s telling Brian Waters that we are moving in a new direction with David Mims, Steve Maneri and the often injuried Ryan O’Callaghan and Ryan Lilja.
It’s too bad that as Chiefs fans we still don’t have King Carl to blame any more for this kind of personnel ineptiness.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 8:39 PM CST reply actions
OK..
- Tyson Jackson is pretty much our best D- lineman right now
- Jerrell Powe and Jalil Brown are rookies, little early for that kind of criticism
- Corey Greenwood is a MLB and Studebaker plays on the other side. You’re asking Sheffield to take snaps away from Hali.
- Mims, Maneri did not take Waters’s job. Asamoah did and he’s fine. Also, Waters isn’t doing as awesome in NE as people seem to think. He’s starting, but if you watch their line play he appears to be the weak link.
- I agree about Cottam.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 8:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just saying of 53 players I named 17 that probably would not be on many NFL rosters and then add that you lost your 3-4 most positive impacting players to injuries and we wonder why we are 5-8.
If you go to the games—please isolote your view on TJ. Watch the 1st 10 plays and see how many times he gets pushed out of the play or to the ground and double check if he is being single blocked or double teamed. The good/bad news is that will probably be only 1 defensive series but you then will see why I said what I said. And if you can’t believe what you are watching—watch again in the 4th quarter.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I have watched.
He stands firm against the run, tackles well, and gets more pressure against the pass than Dorsey. Dumping him would downgrade the talent level on our D-line, something we can’t afford.
We have really good players all over the field… I think folks overestimate the average NFL roster when comparing the Chiefs to other teams.
by bamachief5558 on Dec 15, 2011 9:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haley is gone, I'm elated. #winning
by FrankPitts on Dec 15, 2011 8:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Orto's your QB
enjoy your elated feeling while it lasts.
No long a KC Chief fan.
Just a follower.
Ya along ways from fixing this broken Franchise.
If Haley would have had a winning season
how the Hell would Pioli get rid of him? I mean, all the information coming out points to a Pioli that wanted Haley gone before the season started, because he could not agree with haley on who to draft, who to select for the team, and Haley is a hot head who gets in your face.
Plain and simply this season was trash for no other reason then front office politics. I’m not glad Haley is gone, I’m sad that Pioli and Haley could work out their difference and get on with the business of winning, and Hunt was probably in the mix as well.
Last time I will talk about this though, you got to move on in life, but I wont forget, with some says “In Pioli we trust”.. Yes Trust to back stab you if you don’t agree. thats about it.
I will say I want Pioli gone!!!!!!!
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 15, 2011 8:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I still like to pretend like we have one of the best GM's in the leauge
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
Wasn't he being phony though
Saying week in week out the players that give us the best chance to win will be out there, and then run Palko out there for 4 weeks. I’m sure he’s a good guy, but getting blown out 9 times when the previous 9 took over 300 games, he had to go. Wasn’t really that much different from herm.
by KCinIL on Dec 15, 2011 9:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think Herm likes Sportscenter...... alot.
Haley seemed like a coach, Herm not so much.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
Herms a great coach
Just not the head coach.
by KCinIL on Dec 15, 2011 9:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're either getting better or getting worse
Todd Haley wasn’t helping my league.
I also have to say, if we the fans are this split on the subject you can bet the locker room is going to
Start leaking out all kinds of stuff about Pioli and Haley, a locker room that stuck together will now be split.
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 15, 2011 9:03 PM CST reply actions
I know, you look at this team this time last year
and we had an up and comming coach and whole lotta young talent. Then I look at the team now and I am like uhhhh we suck
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
How'd you figure?
Do you honestly think grown ass men are gonna give 2 shits if their head coach and GM were buddies?
by KCinIL on Dec 15, 2011 9:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
do you really think all the player don't care about the head coach?
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 15, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Who said they didn't?
I’m sure they liked Haley. And I’m sure they like Romeo. Maybe Pioli pulled the trigger now to not lose this team. Continuously looking unprepared and not even looking halfway competitive while getting our ass whipped falls flat on the hc, and I’m sure the team understood.
by KCinIL on Dec 15, 2011 9:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what will it mean if Green Bay hangs 50 on us?
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
That my prediction was right. LOL
Just kidding of course. Well, kinda.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
What if they do?
They put up 30 pretty much all damn year, that’s not saying alot. You can tell if a teams looked unprepared and just not even there. And it just got ridiculous how many times I had to see it under Haley. By Romeo coming out and saying not only is Orton fine, but he’s starting, and if not Palko, nope, Stanzi will play. That just shows right there Haley wasn’t trying to put the best product on the field. It had to happen.
Players like winning as much as fans do
If they improve under Romeo, than I think they’ll be rather united
If things don’t improve, I think you’re right.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 15, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
It's interesting that in years past Chiefs fans--including myself and the KC TV and radio media would have crucfied the GM for having bad personnell on the team.
The offensive coordinator for no touchdowns in 40+ drives or the defensive coordinator for allowing 25+ points in half your games. But in the last 5 months all we heard was that it was the head coach’s fault.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions
it's like the president
he is the face of chiefs. So they get rid of him to try and boost fan confidence
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
In other words your saying--selling tickets. Right?
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Perception
It’s like every 4 years, elect a new president so change can come, and it never happens. It’s a show and the fans money is important for business.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
yep Blackouts are coming
I think the Raiders game might be the 1st one
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Off topic.
And you know what really sucks for me personally about the Raider game? I was selected to go down to the field for that game but I can’t go because in-laws are coming to town for Christmas. I found this out today so needless to say, this day has really stunk for me.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
Sorry to hear that. Are you suppose to hold the flag or get to watch the game from the field?
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
No no nothing that cool.
Just go down to the sideline for 20 minutes before the game and get to talk to players coaches etc. It’s not a huge deal I guess. But just to get on the field for any reason would be a great memory for me.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
I don't think that will happen. It's a rarity in 2010-2011 that the NFL follows it's own blackout rules.
I am sure that they sold 60,000+ tickets and that will be good enough for the NFL in week 16. Now it possible however that only 40,000 fans show up since it is Christmas eve.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
So is that why Haley was working on the Abe Lincoln look?
"There is no try. Do or do not."
by Cassel This! on Dec 16, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Well no reason to keep me up at night
I appreciate all the comments here.
Cheers.
by Bigcherokeechief on Dec 15, 2011 9:16 PM CST reply actions
I know--I think it's crazy because all of this probably went into motion at this time last year.
Charlie Weis quit on the team 10 days before the playoffs because he wasn’t man enough to wait a few days and walked away a hero. Haley was blamed. I am sure that if the truth is known last spring when Haley would not accept McDaniels as Weis’ successor at OC, it was the beginning of the end for Todd. Todd believed in the Steelers way of building a team and Pioli believed in the Patriot way.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 9:24 PM CST reply actions
Mixed feelings.
I have been one of Haley’s most loyal supporters. After the loss to the Jets, I proclaimed that he had to go. I also have been consistent in my belief that he did not have the team prepared to play competitive football, to start the season. Desoite that, I continued to defend him as a coach that had to learn, along with a young team. That support continued right up to week 4 of Tyler Palko.
Palko continuing to start just started to not make sense to me. I know Orton was injured, and that Stanzi is a rookie, but our team set records for offensive futility in the NFL., under Palko. In fact, Cassel was not playing to a high level, when he was injured, but something about the Palko situation smelled. I mean, Stanzi certainly couldn’t do any worse, could he? I also wondered how the players on defense felt, when they were playing at a level that we have yet to see from this unit, only to see the same QB continually return to the field, and no points being scored. We talk about team chemistry and playing as a team, but you can’t tell me that the players, themselves, had to be wondering why Palko wasn’t pulled, at least for a quarter, to see if Stanzi could create any offense.
I may be overanalyzinbg the whole damn thing, as I probably do, at times, but I just smell a skunk. I will support coaches and players, to a fault sometimes, especially when they have displayed previous success, and had provided a level of optimism I hadn’t felt since the Vermeil years, but my loyalty isn’t blind.
I mentioned in a post that us fans don’t see the team practices, and that we don’t know enough to make a sound judgment, once again defending Todd Haley.
Something happened after the Jets game that just set me off. I still think there is more to Palko not being pulled, that just Orton’s injury and Stanzi’s inexperience. I smell something political abput the whole situation. I’m not one to generally fall for conspiracy theories, but there had to be something going on behind the scenes here, and I just have to wonder if the success of the team was all of a sudden secondary to prove a point, or to spew vengance on someone. That bothered me, and still does. It just didn’t add up to me.
You add the Gaither move into the whole damn mess, and I just see a team starting to spiral out of control, that certainly appears to be related to an issue between the HC and the front office. Hell, I may be blaming the wrong person, and I like Haley, as a person, and as a coach, but I just think somewhere the success of the team became less important than personal pride.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
I am with you. Supported Haley. I blame Pioli more than Haley but from all the rumors if they were not getting along to the point that Todd could have been defiant if the rumors are true I move had to be made.
I don’t blame him for the Paliko thing but he should have made a change at half last week.
Orton was not ready to play against Pitsburgh. He tried to play Orton in Chicago but he immediately got hurt.
I don’t think Orton could take snaps in New York. (He can’t take them this week yet in practice).
Haley should have been more open with the fan based about Orton and should have throw Stanzi out for a try last week even if it was a series or 2. .
Defenses were playing 8 in the box and within 10 yards when we already di not have a running game threat. Blame it more on the offensive game planning (which is Haley fault ) and the OL and WR execution of the game plan.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 15, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what to think about Stanzi
As long as the Chiefs were still in contention for a playoff spot, and Haley believed that Palko gave us the best chance to win, wouldn’t we have chopped his head off for playing Stanzi if ultimately him losing with Stanzi took us out of contention for that playoff spot? It seems to me that Haley was in a no win situation as far as the fan base was concerned.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Having seen what Palko brought to the table...
wouldn’t we have chopped his head off for playing Stanzi if ultimately him losing with Stanzi took us out of contention for that playoff spot?
I don’t think so. I think Stanzi would have absolutely been the best move. Maybe not to start a game, but after 4 yards of offense in the first half, certainly.
Hell, all joking aside, I really would have preferred to see them come out with Javi and Urban in the wildcat the whole second half. It wouldn’t have won the game, but at least it would have shown that we were doing something other than rolling over and playing dead.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 16, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Here is where I disagree
As a HC you don’t just throw the playbook up in the air and call whatever falls out. To me, it would have been more irresponsible to put Stanzi in IF Haley thought there was no chance that Stanzi could do it. Whether or not his assessment was accurate is another matter. He did what he thought gave the team the best chance to win. The fact that many people disagree is fine, but he still did what he thought was best. This is where I also disagree to a point with the argument that he was just playing Palko to piss of Pioli. I believe that Haley only had the one choice after Orton got hurt. Stanzi, for whatever reason, was not ready in Haley’s opinion. They even discussed this as coaches during half time and it was agreed not to play Stanzi because of the difficult situation it would put Stanzi in. Baptism by fire often ruins the subject that gets baptised.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Todd Haley's first year....
wasn’t his team….it was Carl Peterson team. 2nd year- getting closer to where he wants to be, still not there, Easy schedule or not, he won. Third year, still closer to where the talent level needed to be….probably one of the more talented starting rosters I can remember…..injuries. Goes 5-8 (better than I expected, especially without our top player(s)) Now….we are back to square one. Another coach comes in, wants to reorganize and it will undoubtedly take a few years to get there….so what does Pioli do when that happens? Fire the next one? and the next? I am not in a position to tell Pioli he is wrong or what he needs to do. That is why he makes the big bucks and I don’t….but if this whole big ego thing keeps up, it is going to be a looooong few years for the Kansas City Chiefs as long as he is GM.
by icough on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Amen.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
by Hoochdawg on Dec 15, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen. Squared.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Bronco fan here.
Even more than a Bronco fan, I am a Football fan, and this move makes me sad. I dislike Hailey. I think he is too hot headed and a little arrogent. But I think he was effective. I dont think he can be blamed for injuries any more than any other coach and I also think that 5-8 is a respectable record with your remaining roster and difficult schedule. Last year he was a coach of the year candidate and now he is playing golf. This is an indication of where the leage is heading. Coaches no longer have the luxury of having a full season to put a product on the field. They live on a game by game basis. How long will it be before a coach gets fired before his first regular season game? I hope I am just being pessimistic.
Thanks for the outsiders viewpoint
and I agree with everything you said, also hope your wrong about the league.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Anyone know what hair products Tyler Palko uses
His hair looks fabulous
For all those people
crying about Haley being fired, keep in mind he basically fired himself. He’s the one that decided to stick with Palco when it was obvious he had NO talent whatsoever. He’s the one that insisted on ramming Jones into the line, and starting him over Charles the whole time he was here. He’s the one that thought his method for a shortened preseason was smarter than EVERY other team in the league. Face it, he’s an arrogant prick, and flaunted it in the face of management. A first time head coach should have a bit more decorum, and not be so full of himself. Heres to hoping our next head coach is more of a professional.
Yeah, that's right.
A Head coach shouldn’t be confident in his own ability, he should be a yes man to the GM—who REALLY knows how to run a football team.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Confidence != Arrogance
It’s clear as day you think management is why this team is broken, and that Haley was the man to fix it.
It simply amazes me you’ve finally come to the obvious reality this is a bad team because Haley was fired. The only way it adds up is you’re more of a Haley fan than a Chiefs fan.
I understand how much it sucks to keep going through coaches, and I share your opinion on the management of this team – but Haley wasn’t working. If that’s because he was too good for this organization, and this not a good fit, you should focus on that theme in my opinion.
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Dec 16, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
Of course I am a Haley fan.
As long as he was part of the Chiefs solution, the feeling was that he would get it right. I was willing to wait (at least a while) longer to see if he could do it. I think the decision was made too soon. Why is this so hard for you to understand? When the team you love adds a coach that you believe will help it win and then that coach gets released, taking with him the skills that you thought would help the team move forward—how is that being more a Haley fan than a Chiefs fan? My argument about Haley is because I think he was the right choice for the team.
It simply amazes me you’ve finally come to the obvious reality this is a bad team because Haley was fired.
Those are your words, not mine.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Fair enough
You’ve been honest about your support of Haley, so I apologize if I’ve hounded you on that subject. It just seems ironic to me you became this bitter towards the team over the firing, but you’ve explained yourself well.
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Dec 16, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you again.
I left you another note on the other thread as well.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Pass the Haley tissue please.
I might have a tear starting to form in my right eye.
Pointless
This entire letter is pointless. apparently Haley got in Bowes shit so deep that Pioli was worried that they may have trouble signing him. Haley was scolded twice and still did it.
No one could work with this bum, he looked like shit and was a poor ambassador of MY CHIEFS. Multiple OC’s none of which were allowed to do their jobs…and our offense suffered because of it. Temper tantrums, stupid gimmick plays that seldom worked…horrible offense for an “offensive coach”, this guy is worthless and we are better off without him.
Good Riddance you bum. Pioli, you’re next!
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
If the Chiefs hire Josh McDaniels, I will cancel my season tickets.
Tell us what you really think lol
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Dec 16, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Especially after seeing Haley's
BS act last night on TV…I’m done with that guy :)
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
If the Chiefs hire Josh McDaniels, I will cancel my season tickets.
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