Thursday Night Football Open Thread
by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 1, 2011 7:06 PM CST
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Are you ready for some Thursday Night Football?
The game will be on NFL Network for those lucky enough to get the channel. The matchup features the 4-7 Philadelphia Eagles at the 4-7 Seattle Seahawks. This game shouldn't have playoff implications.
However, for those fantasy football fans it should be a nice match-up. I'm starting LeSean McCoy even though he is banged up. I'm also starting Marshawn Lynch who is on fire right now. Is it wrong to also start the Philadelphia defense?
Predictions on the game tonight? I'm thinking the Eagles win 28 to 17.
This will also be an open thread for those who don't get the game. Any personal victories today? What are you most looking forward to during the Chiefs and Bears game? Now, let's see those random gifs because I know they will be abundant during this game tonight. Are Seattle's fans the loudest 12th man? Go Eagles! Seahawks! Chiefs!
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I like Mayock as the analyst
He’s not negative (double negative?) and he definitely knows his shit.
"There are two armpits in America. Oakland and New Jersey."- Warren Sapp
What if.....
Haley was fired and…..
We hired Marty again as head coach and got his son Brian as OC?!
Thoughts?!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 1, 2011 7:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't complain
"There are two armpits in America. Oakland and New Jersey."- Warren Sapp
by Dustin SLO,CA on Dec 1, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Pass on Brian...
I WANT NORV AS OC!!!
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There you go
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I tell all my Charger fan friends
watch what happens to Rivers once Norm is gone.
"There are two armpits in America. Oakland and New Jersey."- Warren Sapp
by Dustin SLO,CA on Dec 1, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
dumb idea
And his son is to conseritive.Let Marty win more titles the the VA Destroyers in the UFL
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I think he probably won the last one
by anyone.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
i hope not i like the ufl
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
It was already on life support.
I think it may be on embalming fluid now.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
LV Locamotives baby
I went to a nighthawks game once,it was pretty fun and packed.I think they will be fine for 1 more year
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
It sucks they didn't threepeat.
Especially if the league folds. But at least my second choice won.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
VA
i tried to get my buddy who lives in Richmond to go to the games but he wouldn’t go.I like the league,I really do.Hope they can work out there finacial issues
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
ya the Nighthawks rocked home attendence
If all the other teams had similar attendance the league might have a chance
they need a team in like Jackson Miss
Or other football cities. Vegas and Sacramento aren’t really football cities
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Vegas is a football city.
If you count watching in bars and sports books. Probably more football fans than any other city that doesn’t have an NFL or big time college team.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Ya but there is to much else to do
Lets see,go to the Palms tonight or a UFL game.See what I mean?I would go to the game, but judging by there attendance,I would be in the minority
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Locals don't do a whole lot of that.
Except when entertaining visitors.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I love Vegas
I just love Vegas
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
been there, done that
QBR 20.4 9/18 yards 70 3.9 long 22 int3 Td 0 Cassel
QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko
How about Andy Reid?
He ain’t surviving this season.
Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.
by craig in calgary on Dec 1, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
if Haley gets fired
Pioli will bring in McD – so his golden child has more chances.
QBR 20.4 9/18 yards 70 3.9 long 22 int3 Td 0 Cassel
QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko
I really REALLY don't get why people think Pioli would hire McDaniels
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
What has McD done to deserve another HC job?
He got fired, went to St L and Bradford has regressed…HIRE HIM?
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by craig in calgary on Dec 1, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
He wasn't just bad in Denver... He was incredibad...
He managed to not only suck at his job but alienate everyone associated with him.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
It is probably going to happen
Pioli is that stupid
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
No fucking way.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I hope I hope I am just being paranoid
But remember where you heard it
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how you can say he is stupid...
he definitely hasn’t lived up to the expectations I had of him… But I don’t think there are very many GM’s who have been significantly better than him the last 3 years.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Especially considering how bad the talent level of this team was when he took over.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
there we go again with the talent
It wasn’t half as bad as people say.Pioli let a lot of talent walk out the door that are still playing/starting in the league.Not to mention 17 players still on this roster
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man...
I can’t believe we let Tank Tyler get away.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
point is he is still playing
He is playing for the Saints,which I dare say is better than this team.He could have provided depth which is what we need desperatly
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno...
For all we know he could be just as terrible in the 3-4, as he was with us in the 4-3.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Who do we have on the d-line that is lighting it up?
And please don’t say Amon Gorden
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Powe
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
maybe the buffet table
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon has been very solid.
This year’s version of Sean Smith.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
for what we got him for he has been very solid
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
look at his last 3 drafts with the Pats,fail
2010 was a great draft by the Pats without him.Stupid might be to harsh.But the guy got lucky with 1 pick and now everyone sees him as a genius
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Do we know...
the extent of Pioli’s job with the Patriots in the draft… How much of that was Belichick, how much of that was Pioli?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
he was the gm
And if do the research,it was Brady’s qb coach that really wanted him on the team
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli wasn't GM... He was Vice President of Player Personnel
semantics perhaps… But he didn’t have final say on anything.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
So in that case,what the hell did he do?
Get Bellechicks’ coffee perhaps
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
I thought you knew, you were the one talking like you had all this inside info on how the Patriots work.
But I had read an article before Pioli was officially named GM saying that Belichick ran the ship…
So if thats the case, perhaps Pioli is just having to learn some of the ropes. Clearly you and I disagree on how good or bad he has been… I have really liked his approach and philosophy in the draft (aside from the Baldwin pick), I just think he may have missed the pick…
My biggest knock on Pioli, is that he seems to be trying to fill need instead of taking best player available.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
From what I read he had final say
But if that’s the case and Bellechick was calling the shots,then that is alarming no
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think its alarming at all..
He wasn’t GM.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
then what is experience besides being in the same room with Bill?
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
What is any GM's expereince
before getting their first GM job?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
ok then maybe I can be a GM
And you can be my scouting director
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Im sure Pioli...
got the ins and outs on scouting and roster construction, salary negotiation etc. There is more to being GM than just drafting.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
agree
but what if Pioli said Bill we need that guy.And Bellechick said no Scott he can’t play.And Bill was right
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Then hopefully he learned.
of course it works both ways… Because as you said those last drafts in NE weren’t great.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm sure he helped a lot in that area too.
No team has one single person doing the drafting all by himself.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
just saying
that is Pioli’s guy.
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QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko
How do we know this?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
there is a picture
of Pioli with the letters McD on his ass
QBR 20.4 9/18 yards 70 3.9 long 22 int3 Td 0 Cassel
QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko
Oh its because they have a common former employer...
We should go ahead and try to sign Mangini, Josh McDaniels, Al Groh, Nick Ferentz, John Hufnagel, Al Groh, and Pat Hill too.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Have you ever read war room?
It is Piolis boy
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'd absolutely love to get Reid.
Sometimes coaches just need a fresh start. And in his case, that should be in KC.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
There aren't many coaches I'd kick Haley to the curb for... At least right now...
Cowher and Reid would be about the only two
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
In a year if he is retained I have right to change my mind.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
He'd know what to do with #22 at the very least.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
And the Killer Bs.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
for reals
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
i suggested that to
he will probably want to chill for awhile after dealing with Philly fans for 12 years
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
He'd never be able to handle the vicious KC media
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Only question is if
Nick Wright can adjust the shape of his mouth for another coach.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
lmao
ya it’s pretty brutal
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting DeSean Jackson
So I’m hoping that he has a breakout game with 2 touchdowns and roughly 200 yards receiving. If I can get 50 yards rushing out of him too I’ll be extremely enthusiastic.
This is my fantasy league with a bunch of Bears fans so I need to completely make fools out of them this week. (I had a bad draft and never recuperated.
Go Chiefs!!!!
In my 10-1 league I picked up the Eagles defense on the fly...
Here’s to them stepping up and containing M. Lynch… whom is my opponents running back!
Go Chiefs!!!!
+1 for correct "whom" usage :)
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Lynch is my RB
8.5 pts already!
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
... and that is 1/2 the points my defense
The defense is going to need to get like 8 sacks, and a couple interceptions at this rate to get me back into this game.
Go Chiefs!!!!
so i dont get NFLn...
But, I just turned it on, and there the game is… effin sweet
by stagdsp on Dec 1, 2011 7:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Early Xmas present for you...
You’re welcome!
Go Chiefs!!!!
This is still my favourite football GIF
…Cassel hat fumble is a close second
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by craig in calgary on Dec 1, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
wish you had
the Arron Brooks backwards pass
QBR 20.4 9/18 yards 70 3.9 long 22 int3 Td 0 Cassel
QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko
holy shit!
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Looks like he dodged a bullet there
Go Chiefs!!!!
If only someone would have shown that move to Kennedy
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Im not a fan of Thursday night football...
Part of the beauty of it is the one day a week… Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.
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It's not bad since it starts later in the year
I am with you though. If it was all season I don’t think I’d like it.
Oh yeah...
It could get be worse.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
god I hate that stupid on the bus commercial
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Dec 1, 2011 7:52 PM CST reply actions
FYI... My Chili is coming out quite fantastic
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Victory: Finally had my annual review at work... 6 months late.
It’s cool though cause I’ll get my raise in back pay, right before Christmas. 40 cents adds up when you multiply it by 1000.
Uh Huh Huh...
You said “So hard”
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Kudos to NFLN for playing some Mouse
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Ugh...
Berry did shit like this in just about every game. I was so looking forward to 2011. Charles tearing up defenses and Berry manhandling offenses. Fuck you Stevie Johnson and Orange Firstdown Marker!
is this a gif?
cuz it’s not playing for me…?
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by Dustin SLO,CA on Dec 1, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Holy shit
BEAST MODE!!!!!!!!!!
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by craig in calgary on Dec 1, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions
Go Hawks!
You just know Pete wants Matt Barkley.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 1, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions
we got Jones and Battle!!!
QBR 20.4 9/18 yards 70 3.9 long 22 int3 Td 0 Cassel
QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko
lol exactly. see above vid
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
For everyone (or both of you) clamoring for Vince Young...
REALLY???
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Skip Bayless' second favorite QB.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Go Lynch
I am so happy I picked him up. I have already locked up a playoff spot but still.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 1, 2011 8:50 PM CST reply actions
21 points!
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Keep it coming
if I go up 30 to nothing into Sunday, I will happy as hell.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
it gives me a nice buffer to say the least. had this week chalked up as a loss or squeaker win.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
With AP still an unknown
I need all the help I can get. If the Jags Defense can plant Rivers ass on the ground a few times and get a couple picks, I will an even happier camper.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 1, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Steven Jackson, AP and Lynch
I picked them all up. Traded Jackson for Ravens defense. Went 30 points 2 weeks later.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
I will say that
the Seahawks are odd. They lose to all the bad teams but beat the teams they should not. Lynch is deadly as hell.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 1, 2011 9:08 PM CST reply actions
They're not losing to the bad team tonight.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I know
but that has been their MO this year.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 1, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Drafting McCluster over Golden Tate???
I said it on the day of the Draft Golden Tate was the logical pick but Todd Hailey and Pioli take a scat back with no real position??
Don’t get me started on Terrance Cody!
South Side D
And Charlie Weis was on staff at the time.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I was furious draft day when they took Run DMC over Golden Tate...
But I forgot all about it after that return… It looks like they are about the same value…
I don’t think McCluster is being used properly, he is too good of an athlete to not be getting touches… Screen passes or something, just get him in space.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
I was laughing.
Just because all the mediots had us taking all these Notre Dame guys like Clausen and Tate, and we took none. When Weis was hired, he said he was a coach not a player personnel guy, but nobody believed him.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
And KC does?
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
nope
thats not the point point is McCluster has no position he’s a 170lb player with no position on the field and Golden Tate is a good young WR
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McCluster could be valuable on a team with a good offensive coach.
He was really starting to look good under Weis before he had the high ankle sprain. The Chiefs are lost on offense this year, so it’s no wonder he’s not doing much either.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Im really not that surprised the offene took a major step back.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
They kinda didn't though
it’s more like they just continued where they left off at the end of last year. And continued and continued and continued…
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I'm halfway.
I’m not surprised that they’re sucking under Muir, but I thought Haley would hire a real OC. So I’m only half-surprised.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I wasn't surprised at all when he couldn't hire a good OC
He strikes me as a tyrant hell-bent on his “system”. What OC candidate want’s to put up with that?
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Perhaps they thought Muir would be able to run the same offense...
and if so, why would they worry about replacing him.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Making him the playcaller was the big screwup.
If he wanted to do the Gruden-TB system, that might have worked, but why hire some guy near the end of his career who has never done it before?
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
It was braindead
and pretty much everyone knew it when they announced it
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Well, everyone except ups.
Looks like Haley’s been calling the plays lately, not that it’s helped any. It’s his third year. It shouldn’t be the mess that it is by now.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Considering he's supposed to be the offensive guy
I completely agree
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Im giving Haley one more year...
Im teetering on the brink of not liking the guy… But as of right now, I still really like the guy.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
I tried
but I have to admit. At this point, I’m completely turned off. I’m ready to see him go.
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The reason I am souring on Haley...
last year he was super aggressive, this year he isn’t.
Not going for it on 4th down as often, nor the gadget plays.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
He lost his balls.
He’s become a nice guy to his players, and lost his aggressiveness on the field. IOW, he’s become the opposite of why I liked him in the first place, which was a progressive, disciplinarian.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
agreed
although Javi-cat is nice. but that’s about it.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
and for the love of God
what’s with all the running of McCluster up the middle?
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And
What’s with giving Thomas Jones ANY carries? What’s that guy averaging, like 1.7 YPC?
I can’t wait til next year, with Charles back…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
He's averaging quite a bit more than that.
Nearly double that
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Man I hope he's 100%
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Same here.
Been a staunch supporter most of his tenure, but I think he’s done a really shitty job this year, and too many fans are using the injury card as an excuse for the mess he’s put on the field.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Unfortunately for Haley
you’re not Pioli.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I don't think there is the dissent that is made out to be...
it seems like all of the drama is fabricated.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Drama or not.
I think he’s coaching himself off the team. I’m not even thinking of any riff that may or may not exist between him and Pioli.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I just don't see
how all the blame can be put on Haley…
I’d put it 1/3 Haley, 1/3 Pioli, 1/3 injuries.
Its not Haley’s fault he has a mediocre QB, and a team full of injured players.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
hmmm
fair enough, but without being able to qualify it with any real facts, it just FEELS like haley deserves a bit more blame than that.
He has his hands all over the offense and that’s the one phase of this team that completely sucks.
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Not saying it's all his fault.
I’m saying he’s done a shitty job, starting from the time he named Bill Muir as his OC, up to and including hanging his hat on Tyler fucking Palko.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
By the time he hung his hat on Tyler fucking Palko...
I think the writing was on the wall that the season was over.
I mean what else was he suppose to do? Play Stanzi?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Why not?
Maybe Stanzi sucks, but “unknown” > “known to suck.” And there’s no reason he should be getting a single snap with the first team this week. NONE.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
yes yes a million times yes
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
going out and picking up Orton...
seems like a hail mary effort to desperately cling to that sense of denial in terms of what this season really is.
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I think they did that purely for the possible draft pick.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
and keeping him off of the bears for this weekend.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
That makes no sense.
If they don’t want the Bears to have him, that means they’re still trying to win. But if they’re still trying to win, why isn’t he the starter for the Chiefs?
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Right
They read the “so you’re saying there’s still a chance” post.
After seeing first hand what we did to Palmer (who’s 10x the QB). They are taking this weird stance of easing him in but with a sense of urgency.
I didn’t say its right or I agree with it, but I feel like that’s what they did. Definitely open to debate.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
The Palmer comparison doesn't wash.
That comparison would have been for the Steelers game. Palmer’s game against us was his first week on the team. This is Orton’s second week on the team, the same week Palmer played quite well, as I recall.
Also, keep in mind that Orton has been practicing and/or playing all year, unlike Palmer. And unlike Todd freaking Bouman, for that matter, who did pretty well right off the farm.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
admittedly pulling stuff out of my ass
cuz, you know, better out than it.
Todd Freaking Bouman…..
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think there is something to be said for lettign
a Mid round Rookie QB marinate his first year or so.
I don’t watch practice, for all I know he can’t complete a pass with the second team.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
by all accounts it doesn’t seem like Stanzi is anywhere close to being ready. I can appreciate that.
But if you want to look at handing out blame, I’m still astounded that Pioli and Haley would really be OK with having a left handed QB as their backup. No offense to lefties, but if you’re entire system is built around a right hander… WTF?
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um what?
Montana had a left handed QB backing him up… Just sayin.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Let's compare coaching staffs, rosters and offensive systems
Shall we? :)
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go play with a chainsaw weirdo
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Dude... seriously though
B-Rich on blind-side duty?
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shudder........
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
its not ideal
but you can’t just write off any left handed QB. palko just stinks, i dont really care what hand he throws with.
agreed
BRich won’t be around anyway
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
It should have been taken into careful consideration
considering the O-line personnel. That has less to do with the player and more to do with the powers that be.
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yeah
but they weren’t gonna get a new (blindside) RT just for our rookie 5th rounder
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for nothing Gaither...
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Did anybody see
Stanzi PLAY for Iowa? I’m from Iowa and I might be biased, but the guy’s a winner. Put the ball in his hands and let’s see what he can do. At the very least, he can throw the ball better than Tebow. Or Palko. And if we’re going to carry him on our roster, we should either find out WTH he can do, or cut him. Why waste a roster spot on someone you’re afraid to play?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah a bit
And he looked good in the preseason. But consider that as the third QB, he hasn’t even gotten the snaps in practice. Compound that with no offseason as a rookie and I can understand the apprehension to throw him in. I’d hate to ruin his psyche like this although I can’t wait to see him play.
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yeah...
that sub 60% completion rate, and sub 2:1 TD to INT rate… STUD!
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
His senior year
he completed 64% of his passes, had a 25 to 6 TD to INT ratio, and ranked 3rd in the nation in passer efficiency. He had a 167.2 QBR. He was 26-9 as a starter in college, and won 3 bowl games.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Dec 1, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
At least we didn't
Go pick up Brody Croyle!
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Dec 1, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
It struck me
to be more like Muir was Haley’s stooge who wouldn’t ever question the wisdom of the “system”
Anyone else would have
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Wow, that looked like a Palko pass.
Took forever to reach the receiver defensive back.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
We need a new RT
Vince Young just lit someone up with a great block.
by Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Chargers @ Jaguars MNF
Do the Jags quit, or do they play inspired under a new coach? Would be funny to see the Chargers lose seven straight.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
man I hope SD gets whooped
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Reid one step closer to coaching the Chiefs?
A person can dream, can’t he?
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I'd love it
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Reid and Romeo?
I’m on board fo sho.
What’s RAC contract situation??
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Makes you wonder if they could do something like..
Co-head coaches
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I do like alliterative duos (or trios). R&R and Killa B's
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a Monopoly board.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
A Monopoly Board full of awesome and win.
But all things being equal, I’m for giving Haley another season. OC and QB are bigger concerns.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Problem is, Haley would be the guy hiring the OC.
Again. For the fifth time in four years. What makes you think he’d get it right next year?
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
I don't and that's why he needs to do it himself or GTFO.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think his offensive genius rep has taken a huge hit.
It’s starting to look more and more like he was just hanging on Warner’s coattails, much like Hackett did with Montana.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
would be a great opportunity to regrow those lost balls of his
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I think cassel suffered massively from haley's lack of balls this year too
we should have been playing the shit out of the short and intermediate passing game.
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remember those quick slants to bowe in Indy?
i barely do…
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
That's cassel's type of game
it could have worked all year IMO. But we’re hung up on running McCluster up the middle on every fucking first and third down.
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I don't get it...
In close games when we need a score late, Cassel can throw it all over the field… I don’t know if its Cassel trying to hard not to lose a game, or them just not trusting him at all… It just always seemed to me that this team needed to be more aggressive all the way around.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
absolutely
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I don't have enough information to lay blame at any one person.
If it were up to me though… I’d take the stud OT out of USC Kalil over just about anyone else (since we realistically can’t get Luck), and then take a QB next year (or in the 2nd if one falls).
I like the idea of being able to protect a QB before getting a QB, I don’t ever want to see another David Carr, in KC or anywhere else.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
How about that guy from Iowa?
Kirk Frerenz can develop O-linemen like noone else. Especially beastly tightends, but we already have our Iowa TE…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Dec 1, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
the first drive in the last two games
can we get more of that please?
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
yes would like the ending to be happier
but the tempo was nice
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel and Palko both
seem to thrive in the 2 min.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
because that’s the only time the handcuffs are off.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
but whyyyyyy dammit?
comes back to the “too cute too smart” type thinking.
or maybe its when that carrier pigeon / smoke-signals type play calling takes a break?
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Because Haley sucks at designing and running offenses?
Or at least sucks at hiring people to design and run them, your choice.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Or like
Barry Switzer and the Cowboys…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Dec 1, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he can hire an OC willing to work for him
not the kind we’re all hoping for anyway. I guarantee any prospect would call weise and never look back
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weise?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
reid has always annoyed eagles fans with his clock management skills
but i’d be ok with him. you have to wonder if he isn’t a little burnt out after 12 years in philly though.
Tonight
they were down 17 and took 10 minutes to score 7. I’d say his clock management skills are pretty poor.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 1, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
He IS an idiot with clock management.
But he makes up for it in overall awesomeness.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Reid > Haley > Edwards
also, water is wet.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
this is specifically about clock management BTW
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
the Eagles build from the lines out?
Since when?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
they always go O or D line in the 1st round
outside of Maclin and McNabb, i can’t think of another time they didnt
The Patriots do it nealry every year too.
Which is why the Baldwin pick was such a surprise to me.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
the patriots with pioli
also took two 1st round TEs, chad jackson with their first pick, bethel johnson early, etc. they actually liked taking WR/TE early.
Fair enough
and a RB… which should pretty much never happen.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
The talking heads were all over that pick.
Saying it was another genius move by the Patriots.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
Nevermind...
I had no idea they drafted that heavily in the line in the first 2 rounds
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, thats where they like to go
also went Lito Sheppard and Fabulous Freddie Mitchell in the first. traded out twice.
I just rememer the early 00's when
they were taking like 4 DB’s a year in fear of the Rams.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
i dont really remember that
they had troy vincent and bobby taylor then. they did grad sheppard. they might’ve, i just don’t remember it.
in 2002...
they went DB with their first 3 picks… I exaggerated it a little.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
I would think he has a lot of influence.
But I’m not sure if he’s THE guy. I know he’s a genius for getting high draft picks for scrub QBs. He could probably turn Cassel into a #1.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
YESYESYESKEEPRUNNINGLYNCH
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:13 PM CST reply actions
i found playing ff royally hosed my viewing pleasure of the game as a fan
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I've found that it helps me watch games that the Chiefs aren't playing.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 1, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
I guess a lot of people get that. I'm usually able to separate the two.
But when one guy blows up, its hard not to get excited about it.
Also, fuck the Eagles.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Dec 1, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
I agree 100%.
I caught myself wishing injury on an opposing player once. I quit.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Damn
I was hoping Lynch would just punch it in. I am up 26-0 going into Sunday. 14 point favorite and can screw up the seeding in the East with a win.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
KC Media
when I called into Kietzman’s show today, he mentioned “the way he talks to the media” as a reason to fire Haley.
Do these clowns expect a coach under Pioli to act any other way? Would they expect Belichick or Parcells to tell them exactly everything they want to know? I don’t get it.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 PM CST reply actions
That's stupid.
But about what I’d expect from the local clowns in the media.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
They seem to think a different coach
will treat them differently than Haley does. They’re clueless.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think Haley treats them pretty well, myself.
Certainly a lot better than they treat him. Well, I haven’t watched any of his pressers lately, but in the past (especially last year), I always thought he went out of his way to be respectful, even to his critics.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
They also seem to have a chip on their shoulder
saying the Chiefs play favorites with national media and turn their noses to the local guys. I personally haven’t seen it, but they seem to think Pioli leaks info to Michael Florio. They’re also complaining that Haley’s pressers are too repetitive and they are broken record-ish, but he isn’t going to throw his team or any one player under the bus. I respect him for it.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
If their complaint is that he's boring an uninformative.
That might be valid. But that’s not the same as saying he’s not treating them very well. The Cone of Silence is what it is, and won’t change when the next coach comes on board, as you stated earlier. At least Haley has a pretty good sense of humor to go along with when he’s not saying anything. ;)
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
OMG. Carrol on the post game....
Please get this douschenozzle off my TV screen. Rah Rah Rah… Blah Blah Blah…
Take Irvin with you on your way out.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
And pummel him with Skittles on the way out!
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
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