Who is rushing the passer for KC?

Interesting stuff from PFF via AA.

* Dorsey, Jackson, Gregg, Gordon are all very good vs the run... not productive rushing the passer

* DJ has been good rushing the passer in limited opportunities, and grades outstanding vs the run

* Sheffield has essentially been benched... hasn't really played in the last 4 games... but had 6 QB pressures in the first 4 games... 2nd only to Hali on the team in pressures... why was he benched?

* Houston is GRADUALLY improving... could be a very solid player by the end of the season

* the Chiefs rarely rush anyone other than the front 3 and Hali... for every 5 pass rushing snaps Hali gets, the next LB may get 1

"Top Pass Rushers by Snaps

1.Tamba Hali: 252
2.Glenn Dorsey: 148
3.Wallace Gilberry: 135
4.Tyson Jackson: 128
5.Allen Bailey: 122
6.Kelly Gregg: 116
7.Amon Gordon: 71
8.Cameron Sheffield: 62
9.Justin Houston: 51
10.Derrick Johnson: 43
11.Jovan Belcher: 17
12.Andy Studebaker: 16
"

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I did a further breakdown on how some of the other 3-4 DE’s have done, compete with snap count percentages.

I hate math…

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2011 2:03 PM CST reply actions

nicely done

I am surprised that Dorsey isn’t a better pass rusher… but I’m REALLY surprised not to get any kind of production from Gilberry, Houston, Sheffield and Bailey… considering that’s what they are supposed to be here for.

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

Houston

For some reason they just don’t send him a lot. I think they think he can cover pretty well so they want to use him like that. His coverage numbers are up and down but he’s a rookie.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

bringing him along slowly?

What’s up with Sheff?

the guy had 6 pressures in the first 4 games… now NO pt?

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions

I would like to see a breakdown between 1 gap and 2 gap systems, and then subpackages snaps

To get the #s from pressures/sacks/etc.

Getting a pressure as a 3 tech in a subpackage(like Gilberry last year) is much different than getting pressure from a 2 gap 5 tech(like Dorsey who also stands his ground against the run letting Tamba penetrate every play). Hell Dorsey played a lot of 2 gapping in base sets last year next to Gilberry letting him run wild IIRC

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

There are more numbers in the comments

no matter which way you slice it, Dorsey and Jackson are way behind compared to their peers at pass rushing.

Systems will cause subtle differences, sure, but no system can be responsible for their numbers being that low.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions

I went through the comments but it wasn't really broke down in those ways(unless I missed it)

You wouldn’t compare Sapp to like Ted Washington, different tasks.. just like subpackages(which Justin Smith beasts at) when our DEs get taken out of the game. A team that runs 1 gap systems wants penetration and playing the run on the way to the QB, our system asks DEs to occupy blockers and free LBs to make the tackle.

I just don’t see how you can actually compare the two without it messing up the %s

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 8, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions

well, you can kinda figure it out based on the names...

those guys from SF are KILLING IT… I don’t know much about their defense, though…

Would you say the PITT defense is the closest to KCs in terms of gap responsibility?

Dallas would be the most different, I would guess…. in that they run more of the 1 gap system.

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions

Dallas is one of the few teams running a 2 gap system now

They switched from 1 gap under Wade to a 2 gap under Ryan, Bal/Pitt/NYJ all run mixes of 1 and 2 gap depending on the play

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 8, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions

would you say that KC uses 1 gap on their sub-package?

nickel/dime with Gilberry/Bailey

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

Gilberry always 1 gaps, just trying to get penetration

Bailey has done both, and failed at both. He is a rookie but I would still like to see Dorsey back in those packages next to Gilberry, or possibly Powe(I know right) or Tjax even to hold his ground.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 9, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions

Regardless

When the QB drops back to pass, they aren’t occupying blockers anymore. They are supposed to be trying to get back there.

They aren’t coming close.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions

It's different when you are setting up to take on 2 blockers and hold your ground then attempting to get to the QB

Rather than from the snap attempting to get to the QB.

You have factors as play action passes in there as well

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 8, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions

If it is the scheme holding back Jackson and Dorsey

from getting to the QB then the Chiefs are running an idiotic scheme.

There are plenty of other 3-4 DE’s playing better in both phases (though admittedly Dorsey and Jackson are playing the run well).

There will always be factors that impact these numbers but T-Jax and Dorsey are way too far down the pass rushing totem poll to blame it on much more than the fact that they suck at beating their man.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

this made me laugh

If it is the scheme holding back Jackson and Dorsey from getting to the QB then the Chiefs are running an idiotic scheme.

I do see your point… BUT… my thought is that the scheme is to bring pressure from the OLBs… so the defeciency isn’t on Jackson/Dorsey as much as it is on Houston/Studebaker/Sheffield

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

I'd also add that KC uses a sub-package specifically to rush the QB

and that group has struggled…

again, that normally includes GIlberry, Bailey, and an OLB like Houston

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions

Hell Houston was still dropping into coverage now in then from Subpackages

I so do not understand dropping Houston back so much, especially in subpackages where its 3rd and long and we NEED pressure

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 9, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions

I have to kinda sorta agree with the scheme seeming to be idiotic

I don’t think we(or any NFL team) can run a defense like we do anymore. Tying up 3 Dlinemen to hold blocks, send 1 guy after the QB from different angles in Tamba, then play a bend-dont-break coverage behind it. Leaves the QB too much time to march down the field

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 9, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions