Kansas City Chiefs vs Dolphins: Breaking Down The O-Line Film
by Bewsaf on Nov 7, 2011 9:00 AM CST
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Week #9
The Kansas City chiefs lose to the Miami Dolphins, 3-31. The Chiefs retain a part of the lead in the AFC West with a 4-4 record as Oakland and San Diego lose their games, also.
Jon Asamoah has had a decent year this year, for a first year player. But in the Miami game, Jon was matched up with someone he had problems with all day. Asamoah ends the day with a 66% assignment grade and a -3 power score in run blocking. Those aren't very good numbers, and his pass blocking grades ended up being worse.
If you are a Chiefs fan, then you have seen enough of Asamoah to know he is going to end up being solid. But during a Sunday game in in 2011, against the Dolphins...he found himself in a battle.
If you are interested in the offensive line cumulative grades and rankings in the AFC West then go here, LT, LG, C, RG, RT.
Let's take a look at the rest of those grades...
| Team Run Blocking |
Power Blocking |
Power Blocking Score |
2nd Level Blocks |
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| Did the lineman get the job done or not? These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams. A game in the mid 80s to 90% is a decent score. |
How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated? These scores are good for comparing across teams and finding the most dominant lineman in the league. |
Anything over zero is a good score. The more over zero the more the lineman dominated the defender. Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the defender. |
The number of successes over failures for the lineman when blocking linebackers and safeties on the second level. The lineman must be athletic to accomplish a high second level score. |
Run Blocking Grades
| Percent |
Grade Bar |
Power |
Pull |
2/Level |
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| Grade |  |
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Blocking |
Blocks |
Blocks |
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| Albert |
85% |
 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
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| Lilja | 80% |
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0 |
+2 |
-1 |
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| Wiegmann | 90% |
 |
-1 |
0 |
0 |
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| Asamoah | 66% |
 |
-3 |
0 |
+1 |
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| Richardson | 85% |
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+1 |
0 |
-1 |
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Run Blocking Notes:
- At 14:21 in the 2nd quarter, Barry Richardson puts a slanting defender to the ground. Nice! Richardson had had some poor games the past few weeks in the run game. This week he turns it around and ends the day with a 85% run blocking grade and a +1 power score. Not great numbers...but solid, and a lot better than he had been putting up the last couple of weeks.
- The Chiefs try and get the edge a few times during the game with McCluster and Battle. Jackie Battle just doesn't appear to have the speed to be consistently effective as an edge runner. But, Richardson does set the edge for McCluster at :15 in the 3rd quarter.
- Casey Wiegmann has another solid performance as he continues to "get the job done". Casey ends the day with a 90% assignment grade in run blocking.
- If you would like to see how the Chiefs linemen have done over the past games, then look here.
| Team Pass Blocking |
Passing Power Blocking |
Pressures | Combo Help |
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| Did the lineman get the job done or not? These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams. A game in the 90% is a good score for pass blocking. |
How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated? Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the block. | How often did the offensive lineman give up pressure on the quarterback? Every once and a while a lineman can do his job but give up pressure on the QB. This stat will help glean more info from the line grades. |
How often did the offensive coordinator provide help for a tough defender or a struggling lineman. Yea, two lineman ended up with the same grade...but how much help did either of them get? |
Pass Blocking Grades
| Percent |
Grade Bar |
Power |
Pressures |
Sacks |
Combo |
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| Grade | |
|
Blocking |
Allowed |
Allowed |
Help |
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| Albert |
84% |
|
-5 |
5 |
0 |
7 |
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| Lilja | 89% |
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-5 |
5 |
0 |
19 |
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| Wiegmann | 93% |
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-2 |
2 |
0 |
20 |
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| Asamoah | 79% |
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-9 |
8 |
0 |
12 |
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| Richardson | 84% |
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-7 |
8 |
0 |
7 |
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Pass Blocking Notes:
- Chiefs fans might have guessed that they were going to be in for a long night when on the first play, Ryan Lilja was bull rushed back into the quarterback and Barry Richardson was beat on an inside move. As far as pass protection goes...this Chiefs struggled all day.
- The Chiefs O-Line ended the day with every offensive lineman having no better than a -2 power score (Wiegmann) and at the worse, a -9 power score (Asamoah). Those numbers, power scores, for the O-line are very poor. It tells us that the Chiefs were getting beat regularly, up and down the line. Some of the lineman get their assignment scores up to a tolerable level...but even those players can be found struggling, from time to time, during the game.
- Barry Richardson has a nice cut block at 14:34 in the 1st quarter. I highlight the cut block, because the Chiefs have had their issues with that block this year.
- At 12:18 in the 2nd quarter, Richardson gives up some pressure on the QB...but Cassel has over 4 seconds to get rid of the ball.
- At 11:36 in the 2nd quarter, both Branden Albert and Barry Richardson get beat and their defender pressures the quarterback. Cassel somehow eludes them and avoids the sack.
- 11:20 in the 3rd, to many to block....Cassel doesn't get it to the hot route. Not all of the problems on Sunday were due to the offensive line. The Dolphins decided they were going to send some blitzes during the game. Many times, it was more than the Chiefs could block. On those situations, Cassel must read the blitz, pick up the hot route, and get rid of the ball before the pressure gets to him. Something he failed to do...and was the cause of some of those sacks the Chiefs got on Sunday (not the line).
- As always, the tight ends and backs grades are, here.
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How bad did it hurt to rewatch the game?
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I agree with this whole statement completely
1:20 in the 3rd, to many to block….Cassel doesn’t get it to the hot route. Not all of the problems on Sunday were due to the offensive line. The Dolphins decided they were going to send some blitzes during the game. Many time, it was more than the Chiefs could block. On those situations, Cassel must read he blitz, pick up the hot route, and get rid of the ball before the pressure gets to him. Something he failed to do…and was the cause of some of those sacks the Chiefs got on Sunday (not the line).
A lot of people seem to forget that the QB plays a huge part in stopping them from sending the overload blitzes like that
If he recognize the blitz early and make the correct read quickly there is potential to make big plays against overload blitzes.
Interesting numbers. It looks to me like the pass blocking grades are a lot better than many would have thought.
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Sorry saskwatch
The numbers for the pass blocking had not been changed to the the Miami game. They are correct now.
That makes a little more sense.
The line did look overwhelmed at times. The problems with the passing game were on both Cassel and the line (for the most part I thought the receivers played well, but that can be difficult to tell if you don’t know there assignments, or where they were supposed to be.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
I didn't watch the whole game yesterday, and what I did watch was a choppy online feed
But one of the reasons I’ve been really upset about the delays in getting the playcall in is precisely these situations. When the QB gets to the line of scrimmage with under 10 seconds, he doesn’t have time to scan the field, read a blitz, and make the proper hot route audible.
You can't spell Power without Powe.
by Sudden on Nov 7, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not saying it was or wasn't
but rule of thumb in the NFL is single coverage on the outside is usually a matchup the WR wins
If the corner isn't in great position to pick it off.
Not saying Cassel was perfect. Goodness it’s constantly obvious he is far from it. BUT I’m looking for balance here. It wasn’t all him and it wasn’t all the line or anyone else. It was a failure as a team.
Of course.
At the same time, he deserves some credit for the lack of sacks coming into the game too. It works both ways.
Not talking necessarily about the sacks
as I am talking about capitalizing on the defense when they leave single coverage on guys like Bowe and Breaston
The ability of the QB to read the blitz quickly and get the ball out is huge.
Look at the Patriots.
2007- Brady was sacked 16 times in 565 pass attempts (1 every 35 attempts)
2008- Cassel was sacked 47 times in 516 attempts (1 every 11 attempts)
2009- Brady was sacked 21 times in 578 attempts (1 every 28 attempts)
No obviuosly the lines were not the same, but there is a significant difference between Cassel’s ability to avoid the sack and Brady’s (who is one of the best).
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The QB is playing scared, as soon as that blitz comes his eyes go down and he braces for the sack or the piddly run
The difference between he and Bad Touch Ben yesterday was jaw dropping. One plays with his head up and with confidence even with pressure coming, the other plays like a bitch.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 7, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I think it will be a long season.
I think Miami just wrote the book on how to deal with the KC passing game.
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that was written long ago ... Miami is one of few teams to have read it this year
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I have really been surprised we haven't seen more of it.
KC can deal with this problem when the running game is dominant like last year, but until they prove they can win by running it 40 times, I would be sending the house every play.
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Send the whole damn house then!!
I didn’t watch every snap because of crappy online feeds, but every 10yo girl who plays madden knows how to deal with a blitz. You screen, you draw, or you bootleg. I can’t remember any of these type plays last night. Bad play calling, Cassell could have had huge numbers off 5 yard screen passes last night
by Okie Red on Nov 7, 2011 10:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not the play calling
Its up to the QB to check to those plays at the line. Ya know, make adjustments.
He has to have the freedom and time to do so.
We don’t know what kind of freedom he has, but we do know he often doesn’t have the time.
I've seen Cassel check out of or into plays recently
I’m sure Haley isn’t going to be too upset if Cassel checks in an obvious blitz situation. Last week the plays were coming in on time
Those discussion have been going on since the preseason
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 7, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Brady gets to the LoS with at least 20 seconds every time.
Quite frankly, the coaches absolutely HAVE TO do a better job of getting the playcall in immediately. The QB needs time to read the blitz and make the appropriate hot route audible in order to avoid these situations.
Miami’s defense really took advantage of our coaching/playcalling issues
You can't spell Power without Powe.
I will agree to that to some extent.
But the QB also has to see the blitz once the ball is snapped and get the ball out of his hand.
You know what I like: Short checkdown passes against the blitz and pressure.
You know what I hate: Short checkdown passes when the QB has over 4 seconds to stand in the pocket and scan the field.
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4 seconds to MOST QB's is an eternity ...
for Aaron Rogers it’s enough time to throw a TD pass, eat breakfast and renegotiate his contract … for Matt Cassel it’s just enough time for him to ask himself if he tied his shoelaces before the play
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Or throw a 40 yard TD to Baldwin...
by Tomahawk29 on Nov 7, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeah, like he did yesterday on several occasions, right?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah. Because he had a lot of opportunities with 4 seconds in the pocket...
I’m talking about the Chargers game.
by Tomahawk29 on Nov 7, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a game when I would have been happy to see him complete 2-3 yard passes agiant the blitz.
Its drop back, scan the field, scan the field again, get happy feet, 2 yard completion of 3rd an 9 that kill me.
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This game exposes weaknesses of O'Connell as a Pass blocker and ...
what happens when McCluster is relied on to often to pick up a Blitz as a RB. We were exposed for our shortcomings. I don’t think we can hang it all on the O-Line. However, an O-Line is only as good at pass protection as its weakest link. It only takes one D lineman to steamroll one O-Lineman to ruin a QB’s day. Yeah it would be nice to have they key playmakers exhibit the savvy to reconize blitzes and check to the hot route and convert those liabilities into opportunities.
Our playmakers need to make plays. If they don’t, get some who will. Or some coaches who will help create opportunities for those who can.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Foolproof game plan: Send the house when McCluster’s in the backfield.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Dude gives it his all
But when you weigh 170 pounds you can’t block a 240 pound linebacker with a head of steam. It just doesn’t work
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Needs to work with our center to learn how to redirect...
a man who outweighs you by 100 pounds.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2011 2:38 AM CST up reply actions
Worst OL display all year. Easily.
I was extremely disappointed in their play yesterday. Which is sad, because they have done a pretty good job of dealing with teams with good pass rushes (MIN, DET).
The Chiefs just got handily beat at the LoS on both sides of the ball. Jake Long owned Tamba. The DL got pushed around.
Oh well, it’s back to the drawing board. Fortunately the AFC West is a big stinky turd. Too bad yesterday was a wasted opportunity to take the lead.
Maybe not the worst overall effort.
But , it was the worst results. The RBs and TEs did not pick up blitzes very well. The QB did not react very well. We were always out of sync and Cassel did not react well to pass rush that was effective. I saw no outlets or hot reads utilized effectively. It looked like Haley and crew were out schemed and Haley and crew did not adjust well. It may not have been Cassels fault but Cassel did not to much to convert the sell out Blitzes to his teams advantage.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I'm surprised that any of the lineman have green scores at all
Yeah part of it can be put on Cassel, but my initial reaction to everything was failure by the O-line for the most part. I’m no Cassel apologist by any means but it seemed to me that he was running for his life on damn near every play and still doing his part to keep it competitive. Add in some drops by the WR’s and a stuffed running game for the most part and it led to an enormously shitty day for the offense.
Again, that’s just what I thought at the time and I’m damn sure not going to bother re-watching the game.
The amount of pass plays
the Chiefs had, contributed to the higher grades and bars.
The power scores are the key piece of information….For a team, those power scores might be the worse overall team performance I’ve graded this year. Basically, this week, every negative on the power score is a time the lineman got beat.
well done and thank you, Bews
sorry you had to relive that debacle with the reviews to give the greades … bad as they were
much appreciate all your hard work
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Suck up!
XD
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I'm still holding out hope he'll hire me as a "staff writer"
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Best hold out.. and hire a good agent
Don’t show up to camp until the deal is 100% purrrrrfect
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs are what they are.
An average team at 4-4. A work in progress.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
True.
But getting better and capable of greatness now. A draft or two and smart free agency pickups and we’re ready for a run.
Deja vu all over again.....same things being said for the last 20 years
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 7, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well, that's because you're only 17
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
hoo by, ain't THAT The Truth (wink and a nod)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yep. What we need is 2 Charles, 2 Berrys, and 2 Moeakis
in case one has a flat.
"Even when the Chiefs win, they can’t win." - Aiken Drum
by electriclight on Nov 7, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Sadly, yes. They're not nearly good enough to overcome the injuries from this year.
I was thinking about it yesterday and I believe that losing TonyMO has a bigger significance than some of us give it credit for. The TE play drops off dramatically without him. Obviously the lack of blocking could be seen yesterday.
But also the “safety valve” for Cassel. Look at how big TE play has come into factor this year for so many teams. I’m not making excuses for him but Cassel doesn’t have that because the other TE’s are so horrible. We never go to the TE’s. Ever. Whereas other teams thrive on them.
We have got to bolster the talent at that position in the offseason in order to improve. Especially if Tony can’t shake his injury bug that he’s been known to have since college.
and it was blatantly obvious in the secondary
The Dolphins weren’t scared Flowers one bit, but we sure seemed to miss Berry, McGraw, and Arenas in the secondary.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 7, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
We havn't really went to TEs however we have started to use Baldwin in that manner
Line him up tight, get a quick shot at a pass rusher then a quick route to the outside
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree.
They obviously are good enough to overcome the injuries, as their 4 game streak would indicate. You can’t tell me that this MIA team is so much better than a KC team missing T-Mo, Berry, and Charles. We’ve beaten bad teams, and this was a bad team. At Arrowhead. This should have been a W.
Dolphins were in every game they have played, it's not like they are getting blown out every game
Miami>Colts
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
MIA > Colts is irrelevant.
That was still a bad team that came in here and mopped the floor with the Chiefs yesterday.
no, it was NOT a bad team ... it was an NFL team with a bad record
huge difference
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Nov 7, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right...
Because as we all know, a former GM of theirs once said “you aren’t what your record says you are.”
ok, I'll play your silly game ...
the Dolphins are horrible, the Chiefs just got blown out by a horrible team, therefore the Chiefs are even more horrible
happy? good!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Dude it's a bad team
Who beat another bad team
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 7, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Again they are NOT as bad as the 0-7 record suggested
Like the Bills last year
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I get that they're not as bad as their record indicates.
But they’re still not a good football team. The Chiefs should have beat them.
... yes, and the Chiefs should have lost to the Chargers last week
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
and...
The Raiders should have beat the Broncos…
Saints should have beat the Rams last week…
Ravens should have beat the Jags the other week…
When the Packers finally lose a game, it will be (or should be) against a team that shouldn’t beat them.
This isn’t something new in the NFL.
I will say this. At least Miami looked like a good team this weekend. At least we didn’t lose a game that we actually played our “A” game and still couldn’t get it done. That would be more upsetting to me. Matt Moore played his best game in years. Reggie Bush looked like a real RB. Their D played outstanding.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 7, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
bingo
well said, Ocho … well said
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I see what you did there
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I don't think anyone has ever said 'well said, Ocho' before today...
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I'm probably the only one that ever notices it
but it has been said… on the rare occasion that some drivel spews from my mouth (fingers) that is actually “well said”.
I never get used to being called “ocho”, probably for the association it conjures. From time to time I also get called “Octo” – a simple enough misread.
Though I suppose this is what I get for having a handle that is complete retardulous nonsense that a college buddy and I, drunk as skunks, conjured up while bitching about Chemistry.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 7, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
of course
and in that case, 100% accurate
by Ochophosphate on Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Sodium (Na)
was wondering about that nick of yours … the chem reference makes sense now :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
''Any given Sunday''
No game is a 100% sure win, every team has loads of talent. If they can put it together or if they cant. Like the Lions and Bills and 49ers this year. They didn’t have great records the year before but everything has seemingly came together for them
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
I never said it was a sure win.
But come on. Did you think the Chiefs would lose by 28, to the Miami Dolphins before yesterday? I thought there was a chance they’d lose, but I wasn’t expecting the Chiefs to show up and take the day off.
I’m not saying the Dolphins are some horrible team. But they are not a good team. That’s all.
never said it was a sure win?
you said last week it was the perfect opportunity for the Chiefs to mop up with a lousy team and then beat the Broncos and be 6-3 heading into the Pats game, then winning one of those games (Pats or Steelers) and be in position for the Super Bowl …
seriously … last Fri or Sat on a Chiefsfan85 post, you were hot and heavy the Chiefs WOULD win this Miami game
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Here's what I said:
Who says they think they can breeze through it?
Obviously Haley is stressing the opposite, but let’s be real. This is also an opportunity for KC to possibly take the lead in the AFC West and build some confidence if they can rout a bad team in front of the Arrowhead crowd.
This game has the stench of the 2010 San Fran game all over it. They’re better than their record indicates but they’re still coming to play a game at Arrowhead, against a team that is better than they are. The Chiefs should mop the floor with them.
Plus, the Chiefs are 9-3 at home dating back to last year. They have blown out bad to average teams here lately. I expect a similar result this week.
Then again… it could turn out like the 2010 BUF game… who knows.
by Tomahawk29 on Nov 4, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a complete Koolaid homer and I have seen the faults with our offense
So yes I did believe there is a chance they could lose, by 28? No.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
This just stinks of a trap game.
The ‘Phins are going to win a game at some point. Please don’t let it be this week.
Our offense is stuttering, and the coaching staff, as much as I love them, have made some real boneheaded decisions lately.
KC has to get the offense rolling and clean up the play calling issues. If they can do those two things, MIA doesn’t stand a chance.
by Tomahawk29 on Nov 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Ok? that is a pretty box but I fail to see the need
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
If KC had played to their potential, get the offense moving, and clean up the coaching issues,
Then the Chiefs should have won.
Just agreeing with you.
Again, I’m NOT saying MIA is as bad as their record shows, but they’re still a bad team that the Chiefs should have beat.
Offense really needs to be fixed
We can not stick with a ground and pound backfield and a QB who can not put the team on his shoulders once in a while when the situation calls for it.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I think the play calling is screwing us.
Matt needs to break the huddle with 15-20 seconds left so he can get everyone situated, look over the defense, and make his reads. As it is, the chiefs are breaking huddle with 10 seconds left, running to the line, and basically winging it.
And for the love of God, we have to stop running McCluster between the tackles. How can this coaching staff see that it ISN’T WORKING?
It's not only that, the scheme the offense has been placed under
We have a meh QB who needs a running game or the game is over, hell we barely allow Cassel to make audibles or changes at the line.
You are right LATELY the playcalling has been bad, but that’s not the issue for the past few seasons
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 7, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
True, in fact
They held a lead at one point in every game they played, and really only lost one in terrible fashion. Not that losing the games in the 4th quarter isn’t terrible fashion, but they weren’t getting obliterated.
BAMF, you mention it below – they’re like the ’10 Bills. Alive in almost all of their games, just not getting it done.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 7, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Unlike the Chiefs.
they weren’t getting obliterated.
In three games already.
Chiefs are in first place with the third worst point differential in the NFL. Why is this team so inconsistent?
because
Why is this team so inconsistent?
consistently inconsistent is still being consistent, no?
still young in a lot of places, still learning, and key playeers out (Berry, Charles, Moeaki) plus an “iffy at best” QB (most important position) … topped off with the fact that they just lose focus or something on occasion (it happens in this league, it’s part of human nature)
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They lose focus far too often, though.
I like Haley, but the number of blowout losses during his reign is a bit disturbing. He’s not keeping the team on an even keel very well at all, despite his preaching consistency and being the same every week.
Lack of depth and/or experience at depth
The worst of our worst has come when we’ve had to overcome “losses” of players.
Losing Moeaki, Berry, Charles… even Baldwin… then McGraw (at an already weak spot) and Arenas.
Anytime we’ve lost a significant contributor – we’ve suffered mightily getting their replacement to fill the gap to even a serviceable degree, at least in the immediate term.
With losing McGraw, who was already a poor substitute for Berry, we’re now at Washington. It’s like taking a picture of a picture of a picture – the first one isn’t as good as the original… a bit grainy not too clear. The third one is pretty bad… lacking detail, very fuzzy, tough to tell if it’s even the same as the original.
This is a byproduct of youth and, in some areas, still not having the depth that we really want/need. It just goes to show that we do indeed still have a lot of room for improvement if we want to get to that upper echelon of teams that can be productive/competitive year-in and year-out regardless of injury, trade, loss of player etc.
This is still a step up over what we were 2-3 years ago, we just have further to go.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Yikes, I am seeing an unusual trend.
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yeah, twice in ONE DAY
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Alright, not good enough to overcome consistently.
Let’s face it, the Vikings are a crap team, the Colts are mailing it in and still got a 17 point lead on us, we caught the Raiders at a critical point of QB change, and SD handed us a miracle.
The team has talent, but they’re not yet good enough to be a “good team” without Charles, Moeaki, and Berry. I think yesterday proved that well.
It’s not that MIA is that much better than our injured team, it’s that we came out flat and we don’t have the talent to be able to make mistakes like that and overcome. Plus, as Ups has said, MIA is not your typical 1-7 team. They have been hanging in games so although I didn’t expect a blowout, I wasn’t surprised to see them beat us.
by TheScootness on Nov 7, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
The team has talent, but they’re not yet good enough to be a "good team" without Charles, Moeaki, and Berry. I think yesterday proved that well.
Yep.
And when we get outcoached to a painful degree.
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I’ve said from the very moment he was injured that he was Cassel’s security blanket, and without him, the drop in talent at TE is precipitous.
you're thinking of precipitationous
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Thanks for the break down, Bewsaf
I was looking forward to seeing how the line graded out. Some folks were griping about Cassel, some folks were griping about the line. Yesterday’s failures lie on the shoulders of all of them. It was easy to tell when the blitz was coming, especially on third down. I could see it from the stands and I was muttering, “oh brother” before the ball was ever snapped. I tend to agree with Sudden most of all, our woes with play calling limited Cassel’s ability to have time to adjust.
The stats are what’s weird though. We moved the ball decently well between the 20’s, but then stalled out. We had 10 more minutes in time of possession and more first downs, but I will say the Dolphins had a couple of very quick drives. We just really struggled when we got on to the Dolphins side of the field.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 7, 2011 9:40 AM CST reply actions
Ali thought he'd beat Frazier with the rope-a-dope and lots of little jabs ... would have worked if Fazier hadn't connected on those haymakers
the Dolphins connected on some short but very hard punches while the Chiefs were throwing the jabs all day long
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Yep
I thought it was going to be a good day with the way the offense was moving early on.
But our D took a haymaker, our offense couldn’t counterpunch in similar fashion, and it all fell apart.
An excellent analogy. Mind if I use it in my post if/when I get around to it?
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do I mind? not at all, in fact I'd be honored that you'd use one of my lines ... and only a VERY modest fee applies to the use of my analogies, so do go right on ahead and use all you want :-)
An excellent analogy. Mind if I use it in my post if/when I get around to it?
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I can pay you zero down
And zero per month for forever… deal?
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fine, but I'm letting you know in advance here ... I charge usurious interest rates
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Nov 8, 2011 3:29 AM CST up reply actions
I'm wondering if Asamoah is nursing himself from the Monday game...
Looks like he was the weakest link this week, and he normally plays much better.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I think the whole team was nursing themselves from the Monday game.
They did not look prepared for this game. Haley has had his share of credit for wins. Now he needs some blame for losses.
The team wasn’t ready to play this game, and the play calling method is still hurting the team. And I swear, if I see McCluster run between the tackles one more time, I’m going to start sending hate mail.
/\This is my assumption /\
… and I didn’t remember if Asamoah was injured at any point in the game on Monday (missed snaps).
I did like seeing Gaither in at LT for the couple snaps he took from Albert.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Bewsaf, have a question.
How do you grade overload blitzes? Like for example they send more guys on BRich’s side than we have to block. BRich picks up 1 but another gets around the corner for the sack. Is that counted against the line?
If the lineman gets his man
then the others are the responsibility of the backs, tight ends, or scheme (hot reads and such).
You would like to see him block a guy…and then reach out and get a piece of another one going by. But, you can’t expect it on a grade.
Makes sense
Was just curious about that because it seemed we saw a few overloads to that right side of our line, but I didn’t sit down and re-watch the game
as usual, physical lines beat up the Chiefs on both sides of the line
our finesse running game is rather easily disrupted by a defense with a physically strong line, even when Charles is playing. And defensively, they let the Dolphins run at will yesterday, despite having no real running attack.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Just curious...
I like these posts they help me understand who is doing good and who is doing bad. Just curious what do you go off of for the percentage for pass blocking? It says 84% for Richardson and that he did “good” with light green… I beg to differ. 8 pressures on a QB is very bad. Add -7 power blocking and I don’t understand how he gets an 84% and a light green bar and how that isn’t red. I noticed multiple times Richardson get beat right off the bat and sent cassel running. One specific I think you missed there was a blitz on his side and a defender ran on the INSIDE of him and he slid outside and there was no one there. He literally touched no defender and the guy that ran right in front of his face sacked cassel. I don’t know how he doesn’t get a sack given up for that when he blocked no one and missed the guy right in his face. Cassel got sacked before he could take even 3 steps back.
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Nov 7, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions
i wouldn't have flunk out of college with this grading system
i guess that’s good thing because i’d still be working on my under grad 30 years later
he overgrades rather often
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
The % grade and grading bar (which is just a representation of the % grade)
is simply the number of “jobs done” divided by the number of total passing reps. So if the lineman pass blocks 20 times and gets beat really bad 4 times…and the other times he does his job…then the score is 80%. Now, those 4 times might really stand out…but the numbers say the lineman did his job 80% of the time…so that is what he gets, an 80% grade.
That percent grade doesn’t represent how they looked, did they use the right tech., or what ever. Just, did they do enough to get it done or not? And how often did they get the job done. As far as the bar. I don’t arbitrarily pick a bar that I think they should have. I grade them one play at a time….and what the numbers says in the %grade…that is what I give them.
In situations like we had against the Dolphins, the power score is the most valuable. It is like a punch count in a boxing match. When the lineman gets dominated he gets a minus. When he dictates the action he gets a plus. A stalemate is a zero. But it is a totally different grading style than the %Grade and the bar. It is a snapshot of dominance….or getting dominated. Which is what you are talking about.
I’ll have to go back to the play you mentioned to take a look. I do remember one play, not sure if this is the one you are talking about. But the line did one thing and a man went free. Problem was that there was no back to pick up the man that went free. It was unclear to me if the mistake was in formation, a line call, or a missed assignment. When I can’t tell, or I have to end up guessing…then I don’t guess.
Hope that helps
Thanks for clarifying...
That does help. That play I may be wrong I didn’t look close but I just remember saying “WHAT ARE YOU DOING RICHARDSON” because a guy was in his gap and he slid outside to block outside and this guy went right in front of him and got cassel. I believe he had a tight end on his side as well and the tight end took the outside guy so Richardson was left with no one. I may be completly wrong though. Let me know if you find that play… It was one of the sacks. Good work though. I wasn’t “hating” or anything. Thanks for the hard work.
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Nov 7, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I know what you mean about the bars, though. It is probably the first thing people look at.. And in some cases…it is a little deceiving if you don’t know to also look at the power score, and take the power score as another piece of information to go along with the %grade. In fact, that is why I came up with the power score.
This is one of the games, because the Chiefs passed so much in the second half, that the grades get washed out due to the amount of reps. Again, that is when you want to go to the power score and pressures.
Basically, my eye saw the same thing that yours did…and that is that the line, as a whole, had a horrible day pass blocking.
What if you put a line below the bars to graphically represent the power score
like this, with a dot in the middle, and the line goes right for positive, left for negative:
I I I I I I I I I
o—>
(for a good power score)
I I I I I I I I I
. <—o
(for a bad one)
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 7, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
That is not a bad idea
I’ll have to think about that. Or, maybe I should just make the current grade bar some kind of reflection of both the %grade and the power score (currently it is only a reflection of the %grade).
Kinda stings that the pic for this is Chiefs vs Dolphins
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