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It's Still Not Too Late For The Kansas City Chiefs

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I guess I missed the end of this year's regular season. Just call me Rip Van Winkle because I sure didn't realize that the playoffs have already begun and the Chiefs misfired again. Based on Joel's post I guess it's time to throw in the towel.

Let me take a look at the standings here...Wait a minute...this just in...the season is NOT over.

You mean this team that is 4-7 and bears no resemblance to the NFL football team that was fielded during the preseason is still alive and in the playoff hunt? I know it's hard to believe but that is, indeed, the truth. From what I have been reading here you'd think the Chiefs had been eliminated from the playoffs this year. I know it's a popular past time here to look 2-4 weeks BEYOND the current game, but we should slow down just a bit and let this thing play out for real.

I know that I've already told you about that '89 Steelers team and how up and down they were in that season. They were also staring 4-6 in the face after 10 games. Guess what else? They weren't done losing games in their season either. They finished at 9-7 and miraculously made it to the playoffs. I know that this story seems like an extreme long shot to repeat (and of course it is), but didn't the Patriots game make you think the Chiefs had a chance, at least for the first half? I mean, come on! It was Tom freaking Brady on the other side! You can only give him so many chances without putting your own points on the board. Man, if you can look me straight in the eye and tell me that you weren't harboring the seed of hope for a win at halftime of that Monday night game though, you gotta be a great liar. We were all there, glued to the tube thinking the same thing. Could it happen? I know damn well that you were nurturing that hope. I sure was.

Just like I was last Sunday night when our defense looked like a playoff caliber unit. Unfortunately the win didn't come, but I still don't think it's time to completely despair. The Chiefs defense held Mike Wallace to 2 stinking catches? Big Ben held under two hundred yards passing? That was the Steelers that we held to 13 points folks. For the record, that ain't chopped liver.

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In Week 10 of the 1989 NFL football season, the Pittsburgh Steelers lost to the Chicago Bears to go 4-6 on the year. What's more, that team couldn't score a point in that loss to the Bears. Yep, they got skunked 20-0. In Pittsburg. In front of their home crowd (at least however many of the faithful that stayed to the end of that game anyway). This was the same Pittsburgh Steelers team was beat in their first two games by a combined score of 92-10. That's right sports fans! Even worse than the 2011 Chiefs got pummeled in their first two games by a combined score of 89-10.

(Look, I know it's not much but in days like these you have to take your pluses anywhere you can find them.)

In some ways, that Steelers team WAS worse than this Chiefs team. As bad as this Chiefs team has struggled this year, they have at least been able to put points on the board every week, even if it was only a Field Goal. That Steeler team lost three of those first ten games without putting a single point on that scoreboard. As hard as the Chiefs losses this season are to swallow (based on fan expectations anyway) wouldn't you think that those Steelers losses were even harder to accept? How many of their fans do you think gave them any shot of making the playoffs at that point in the season? I'm sure that if there had been fan blogs back then, most of what you read would have been exactly like what we are seeing here at Arrowhead Pride right now. The season's over. Time to put in all the rookies to 'evaluate' them. Let's cut our losses and make plans for future seasons when we have a chance. Blah,blah,blah. Waa, waa, wahhhhhh! This is what the defeatist in us does to our brain. It takes much kool-aid to overcome the defeatist my friends but it can be done!

There are still games to be played. AP user Texas Chief's prediction about picking up Kyle Orton has come true. Tyler Palko just does not seem to be able to pull the loose ends together to get it done. We just witnessed him go 43-of-66 for 403 yards with six interceptions and no toucchdowns in two games versus two of the most difficult opponents in the NFL in the Steelers and Pats.

What, exactly, was your expectation? He hasn't played enough in real games to develop any rhythm with these or any other receivers let alone take full responsibility for running the offense. That said, I thought he actually did pretty well running the offense. Haley has said as much in the press recently concerning how calm, cool and collected Palko has remained in the face of the biggest adversity his career has seen. Not being able to understand the play called in from the sideline pisses off experienced QB's. For an inexperienced one like Palko, it can cause the wheels to fall off. A four point loss to the mighty Pittsburg Steelers would indicate that this did not happen.

Palko's interceptions killed the teams chances at wins, but I believe given time and opportunity, Palko can be a serviceable backup in the NFL. Can he be a starter? Unknown, but he would have to prove that he can get his receivers on the same page with him better than he has so far. He'd also have to prove that he can make smart decisions and follow them up with accurate throws on a regular basis. I can't see how these two starts were any kind of unequivocal referendum on Tyler Palko--yet. Eventually he will see more playing time and he will either find the handle or go the way of Brodie Croyle. Either way, I have doubts about whether or not he will get the start next Sunday in Chicago. Neckbeard is now in da house.

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With the window on this season nearly closed, drastic action had to be taken. I have followed Kyle Orton since he was the starter for the Bears. What was that? He started for the...Bears? Hmmm...could there be a little method to this Orton madness? Who better than their previous signal caller to be able to go into a stadium that he is very familiar with and defeat his old team? Few people would know that defensive scheme better than Orton, including some minute proclivities that certain defensive players for the bears might exhibit. Is Urlacher better at rushing the passer from the right or left? Orton should know. All other things being equal (a huge assumption), Orton is who I would rather see changing plays at the line of scrimmage against his old team.

Orton was sent packing from Chicago to a team that gratefully took what he had only to unceremoniously toss him out with the rubbish in favor of a young, untested player that seemingly can't throw a down field pass the following season. Do you think Orton would like nothing better than to have a chance to play spoiler in Chicago? With Cutler out and Caleb Hanie in, wouldn't you think that a defense that played like ours did last Sunday should put a muzzle on Chicago in terms of being able to move the ball or score points? I think that a defense that has proven effective against Adrian Peterson should be able to handle Matt Forte and Marion Barber. Especially with eight in the box--Will Tamba Hali finally feast on QB stew? Oh, would that it were!! Succop may not be Seabass, but he is capable of making 50 yarders. It only takes one to win if the other side can't score.

TC was correct in making his choice of what to do going forward based on when the team becomes eliminated from playoff contention. That is truly when you can begin playing rookies and second tier players to gain some information on them for the future. Until that time though, you simply cannot give up playing to win the game each week with the players that give you the best shot at winning. Right now, I believe that player is Kyle Orton. Orton is a solid quarterback that may never be considered great, but he certainly can deliver wins when he has defensive support and receiver targets that can catch the ball. I think that we have those things on our team right now. Sure the odds are long, but, oh, what fun it is to ride...

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Those '89 Steelers that got skunked by the Bears? The went on the next week to eek out a win vs. the Dolphins. The final score was 20-17. Guess who the QB was for the Dolphins? You may have heard of him. His name was Dan Marino. How much chance do you think their fans gave those Steelers of beating Mr. Marino in Miami? Does the image of a snowball in hell give you any clues? Unbelievably, that's exactly what happened. The Chiefs by comparison need only to overcome Caleb Hanie--Huh? Add to this the fact that Haley wants a win at Soldier field where he was an assistant coach and you have a recipe for an explosive game.

Those Steelers could only muster ONE division win that year, yet they kept their heads, made the playoffs and proved that the season starts over once the playoffs begin. These Chiefs are 2-2 in their division with two left and only one division win behind the current division game leader (Denver) and tied with the division overall leader (Raiders). Those last two game versus Denver and Oakland puts the Chiefs destiny in their own hands if they can be within two games of the leader with two to go. The Broncos and Raiders still have to play their share of this schedule as well as the Chiefs. If you believe for one minute that Coach Haley has given up on this season (due respect Joel, but there is no way that Haley is just expressing faith in his team because he has no choice), then you don't know Todd Haley. It ain't over yet.

San Diego (4-7) has yet to play Jacksonville, Buffalo, Baltimore, Detroit and Oakland. Denver (6-5) has yet to play Minnesota, Chicago, New England, Buffalo and KC. Oakland (7-5) has yet to play Miami, Green Bay, Detroit, KC and San Diego. Many scenarios here will almost certainly end in at least two teams having the same record at the end of the regular season. San Diego is the one that already has three division losses and is tied with the worst record in the AFC West. I think they have the hardest road to make anything of their season. The way they have been playing, winning 5 straight would seem improbable. Denver probably has the easiest schedule but I think the Tebow wheels are about to fall off. Much boils down to Oakland vs. Miami on Sunday. If Miami pulls the upset, we have ourselves a new ballgame that gives the Chiefs some control of their destiny. All this of course assumes that the Chiefs can win four of their last five games.

In case you have forgotten, the 2009 Chiefs were able to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in Kansas City in a season when they were only able to win four games (go here for a look). It took overtime for those Chiefs to win it 27-24 in a season when four wins was all we could get. Do you remember what that win felt like to win-starved fans back then? I sure do. It was like a cold beer on a 105 degree summer day in San Antonio. If you haven't experienced that, well, call Texas Chief. I'll bet he has. These Chiefs have four wins and that's after all the players lost to injury blah, blah, blah. The point is that this team is really much better than that team was back in '09. They won't quit while there is still a chance.

The window is closing for the Chiefs, but it's not yet shut. The bears are very beatable given their injuries. The Jets are after the Bears and the Jets are currently 6-5. They are a decent team, but they have not played well this year. Who knows what kind of injury troubles could befall that Jets team between now and then. They will be playing all out for their season as well.

Then of course, we have Green Bay. It would appear that this is simply an unwinnable game for the Chiefs this season. My question though, is who's gonna beat the big dog? I would bet that champagne that the surviving '72 Dolphins drink every season has been chilled and rechilled this season in anticipation of being drunk in celebration of no team since being able to match their perfect season. Green Bay will lose a game this year. Their defense is not a Super Bowl caliber defense any more than the Chiefs is. Take that however you want to, but Drew Brees and his Saints gave Green Bay all they wanted in the season opener and came up just short. That won't happen again. It seems like every year, the team that goes deep into the season without a loss has the rest of the league catch up to them. Why couldn't the Chiefs beat the Packers in KC? Injuries have hurt everyone else this year, it could just be time for the Packers to slow down. It's still not impossible.

Then the Chiefs are left with taking care of business in the AFC West. Right now, the Raiders have slid through a couple close ones and are standing atop the mountain. The novelty of Tim Tebow is wearing a bit thin as well and I have a feeling that somebody is gonna smack him in the chops pretty soon. With the schedules that remain for the teams in our division, it's nearly impossible to predict just how the wins and losses will shake out at this time. No, I would not say the Chiefs are out of the running in the AFC West just yet either.

The playoffs start for the Chiefs next Sunday in Chicago. The defense is playing about as well as we could ask right now, (thanks RAC, your contribution has not been discussed much this year but it seems as if it is definitely paying dividends) and it is perfect timing for a late season run at some questionable competition. Speaking of RAC and the coaching in general, I must take exception to Bob Gretz's recent CBS Rapid Report in which he gives the Chiefs coaching staff a D for their performance last Sunday. He says that Romeo's defense is the only reason that he even gave them a D. Given all that has happened to this team this season in terms of injuries, Gretz is gonna bag on the coaching staff for losing to Pittsburg by 4 points when playing an unproven backup with less starts than Cam Newton (who has 11 starts and only 3 wins for a .272 win percent), a backup running back that hasn't cracked a starting roster based solely on his own merits in four years in the league, and a rookie receiver that suffered a broken thumb in a locker room scuffle prior to the season even commencing? As Ochocinco would say, child please.

I hope Orton has been eating his Wheaties because he is being given a chance to do something that quarterbacks gain recognition for. Wanna play another playoff game Kyle? I'm from Missouri. Show Me.

(Actually, if Orton DID run the table for the Chiefs this season and make the playoffs, can you imagine the quarterback controversy that would exist next year when Cassel returns from injury?)

Can Orton resurrect this wonky Chiefs season for the Kansas City faithful? You already know my answer. Stranger things have happened, such as the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks making the playoffs last year and beating the Saints in their wildcard matchup. Bring on the Bears. Haley is laying a Bear trap and I hope they take the bait.

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Can the Chiefs beat the Bears at Soldier Field?
Hell yeah! Orton's revenge = 350 yards passing and 4 TDs.
476 votes
Maybe. Orton will need a lot of luck and some big plays from the WRs to eek out a win.
580 votes
Probably not, but I'll be cheering for him just the same.
346 votes
No Chance. Stanzi or bust!!
177 votes

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according to NFP, and the last I heard Haley

Palko is the starting QB for the Kansas City Chiefs

This Organization knows how to beat the fan out of you. But I don't go down easily...

Chiefs fan dont die, even when Clark Hunt pulls the trigger. You aint going NOWHERE

by Jay Cotton on Nov 30, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions  

Because RB is just like QB.

You rotate them in and out just the same.

Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley

by Tarkus on Nov 30, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

orton surely will get the start.. surely…

Twitter: RaiderHater86

by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 30, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Obviously

Can you not read between the lines of what I was trying to get across?

I’ll make it more clear.

I’ll take what the Chiefs and Todd Haley say with a grain of salt especially on who is “starting” game day. Happy?

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 30, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought we were going to play our best 53?

It’s funny how we never seem to upgrade our best 53…coincidence, I think NOT!

by Slim with the Tilted Brim on Nov 30, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Cakes and Pies!

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Beans and Franks!

ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 30, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

MAS!

dude, this is BEEEEEEEEEEEEE-YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-TIFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

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by upamtn on Dec 1, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It's his forte.

I’m all for puppy dogs and rainbows… Sometimes. But Aiken is a designated Kool aid slinger. He just has to put a positive spin on everything. That’d drive me insane.

by Tomahawk29 on Dec 1, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Orton won't win this game for us...

I just don’t see him coming in and lighting it up right away.

This game will be up to the D. If we can keep them from scoring more than two TD’s…I think we have a chance.

But, that means we’ll have to score a couple of TD’s ourselves. Maybe Orton can show our team how. Because I think they’ve forgotten. Assuming Orton himself remembers.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Nov 30, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

I think Orton can come in and throw the ball around. Just play football guys…….. sometimes we make it a lot harder than it has to be! Just go out there and play.

Twitter: RaiderHater86

by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 30, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Bear O-line is atrocious.

We’re looking at 7 sacks this week.

"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

by electriclight on Nov 30, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair

That’s what we said about IND.

Now, Houston’s playing much better ball than he was then…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 1, 2011 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I called it.

"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

by electriclight on Dec 5, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

What is this TD you speak of?

Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....

by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 30, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It's where the team scores 7 points...instead of 3.

You know, that thing the other team does to us all the time.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah yes

now I remember

Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....

by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 30, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been thinking...we should really try that sometime.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Nov 30, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the offense scored 6 for a TD

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 30, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Orton..

Keep the ball away from Hester!

by trchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

It’s not over if the Defense plays exactly the way they did against the Steelers the rest of this season and Kyle Orton plays in every game. The rest of the way the only good QB we face is Rodgers. The rest…

Haine
Sanchez
Palmer
Tebow

Our defense can force a lot of turnovers on that group if they play at their highest level. Will it happen? Who knows?

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 30, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

You don't consider Sanchez or Palmer good?

But you call Cassel good. Wow.

Cassel is closer to playing like Haine then Palmer

by chiefnation on Nov 30, 2011 6:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Neither Sanchez nor Palmer are good

and I dont see him say anything about Cassel

by Steve_in_RI on Nov 30, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He has called Cassel a good qb

And now called Sanchez and Palmer not good when its clear that Cassel is not better than them.

by chiefnation on Nov 30, 2011 7:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I have said he is good

before because

he has had good games. Fact.

with the right coordinator (ie last year) he can have a good game manager type year. Fact.

With a more than enough time to evaluate his play (in my opinion) he is still capable of good games and maybe a good year with the right coaching. However, he isn’t a good QB at this point and with his age it is likely he will ever be anything other than just average.

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 30, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

So you are one of those types

that argue just to argue…?

You said “Just because a qb has a good game doesn’t mean he is a good qb”

That’s correct but I said

he has had good games. Fact.

That would be plural on the game. Cassel has had multiple good games alot more than those you mentioned. There is a difference—some QB’s can overcome bad coaching ie Peyton Manning. So what do you want to argue about next? Politics? Best BBQ?

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 30, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

so your one of them types that has to get the last word

btw you don’t have to say fact after a captian obvious true or false statement were not in elementry school. And you can make my comment plural and it will still be correct.

by chiefnation on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

So now you are telling me how to comment? I’ll let you have the last word. Have a great night.

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 30, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel has had some good games

along with Palmer and Sanchez. As of now I don’t call any one of them good.

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 30, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

If you recall, Tebow beat the chiefs last time out. They knw what Denver weas going to do all day. Run and the D still couldn’t stop them.

by trchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey I firmly believe the Chiefs aren't done

I believe they can at least look respectable by the end of the year. The playoffs are most likely out of sight, but we can at least play the last 5 games competitively. The defense of KC has me excited to see them on the field. I just wish the offense would help out more.

I like this optimistic posts.

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Nov 30, 2011 5:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

As long..

Haley has announced him as the Chiefs best chance to win. Just exactly how much of the playbook has Orton absorbed?

by trchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

If Orton can help put up 21 points, we will win this game

Our D is playing very well, and they have a back up QB with very little game experience

Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.

by KCinAZ on Nov 30, 2011 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

If Orton plays

a FG at best.
Over 4 sacks, 3 ints 1 fumble. And you see why Denver went with Tebow.

QBR 20.4 9/18 yards 70 3.9 long 22 int3 Td 0 Cassel
QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko

by Redberry on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM CST reply actions  

U sure u aren't mixing this up with Palko?

I hope this guy Orton proves u wrong since u are so deadset in believing he fails.

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Nov 30, 2011 6:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I have watched Orton

When we was with Chi and Denver…
Don’t get your hopes up. He can’t move. With this OL and run game, i expect palko like numbers.. Then again, Orton has put up Palko like numbers plenty of times.

QBR 20.4 9/18 yards 70 3.9 long 22 int3 Td 0 Cassel
QBR 27.1 19/41 yards166 4.0 long 20 int3 td 0 Orton
QBR 40.5 18/28 yards167 6.0 long 25 int3 Td 0 Palko

by Redberry on Nov 30, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Your comment makes no sense

Twitter: RaiderHater86

by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 30, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You're blind

Palko is starting, the Chiefs are bad, you’re the type of fan that Clark Hunt loves. Keep forking over the green.

by three7s on Nov 30, 2011 5:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

You forget

Herm got us to the playoffs. Pigs did fly. But Huard didn’t play

by HowSweetItIs on Nov 30, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

This is true.

Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley

by Tarkus on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Get your facts right.

It’s a guinea pig.

"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

by electriclight on Nov 30, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm tempted to go Stanzi or bust BUT

I will root for neck need and hope for the best

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Nov 30, 2011 6:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

How do you win a game when your team doesn't score TDs???

they scored one friggin touchdown during the ENTIRE month of November. Haley should be fired for that alone. Pathetic

by MGDog on Nov 30, 2011 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

You know I'm always with you Aiken

I give you all the credit I can for bringing it every week, knowing what reaction you are likely to get. I don’t think this is our year but I’m right there with you and others trying to figure out ways to keep this going until the math says we are out.

by Steve_in_RI on Nov 30, 2011 7:24 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Look, optimism is good and all...

But you have to pragmatically look at the situation. Do we have a chance to win more games? Sure, if the D plays consistently like they did Sunday. Will we win out? Absolutely not. The math and the odds are against it. On top of that, the QB drama, the heat that Haley is under, they are all distractions that will ultimately cost us. Good teams can rise above all that and get wins. This, however, is not a good team.

Proud Bronco and Raider Hater since 1980.

by jhoward8780 on Nov 30, 2011 7:30 PM CST reply actions  

Why do you believe that "the math and odds are against it"?

By that reasoning, there should never be a game played in the NFL. Just let the computer whiz kids tell you who won the super bowl without even playing it. Haley is under heat? Where do you get your information? I’ve seen nothing credible to support that. This team was good enough to blank Oakland on their own field. This team was good enough to overcome a 17 point deficit (tying a team record) and win in a city where they have never done so before. If nothing else, this season should reinforce the truth of “Any Given Sunday”. Anything can happen and probably will.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Nov 30, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

playoffs doesn't require any given sunday

it would require every given sunday.

same article, different week. i wonder how poorly the team would have to perform for you to finally admit the talent and circumstances just aren’t there to pull this off. It’s not “letting a computer play the games,” it’s odds. The odds are way out of our favor and nothing about this team has indicated they can beat the kind of competition they’ll be playing.

by malgorthewarrior on Dec 2, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you define those odds for me?

Exactly what calculations are you using to get those odds? I’m curious.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Dec 2, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn you Aiken

I was ready to give up caring and now you go and break out the Koolaid again!

Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.

by KCnDC on Nov 30, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry Brutha.

You know darn well that Koolaid is always available in Aiken’s fridge!

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Nov 30, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

No worries.

I’m with you. I don’t like our chances but I also believe this is a long-term deal and while we may not get back to the playoffs this year (not giving up hope, just saying), I firmly believe Haley and Pioli are building something that can be great. A little patience goes a long way and when you’re competing with 31 other front offices, it’s going to take some time to hit the perfect storm. Love the optimism and post…keep it up!

Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.

by KCnDC on Dec 1, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, the Chiefs can win the division at 7-9

Of course, Oakland would have to lose out for it to happen. Maybe improbable, but not impossible!

by tidnes2ko on Nov 30, 2011 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

Historical correction aka enough revisionist bullcorn

By someone that has not touched kool aid since the late 70’s.

1st the Steelers beat the Dolphins 34-14 week 12 and though they had Dan Marino that era of Dolphin was filled with 6-10/8-8 mediocrity.

2nd the last 5 opponents of the 1989 Steelers had more in common with the 2011 Kansas City Chiefs than the Steelers:

Week 11San Diego Chargers 6-10, 20-17 win

Week 12 Dolphins final record 8-8 ,34-14 win (in a monsoon)

Week 13 Houston Oilers final record 9-7, 16-23 loss in a blizzard

Week 14 Jets final record 4-12. Steelers win 13-0

Week 15 Patriots final record 5-11, Steelers win 28-10

Week 16 Bucaneers final record 5-11, Steelers win 31-22

So basically we need the cupcake 2010 schedule for the last 5 games to make the playoffs, anyone have one of those easy buttons?

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Nov 30, 2011 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

37-59

combined record of those 6 teams…but wait!!!!! Those Steelers did so well in the post season! They beat an Oilers team that mailed it in on coach Elvis and then cam within a point of beating the same team that got demolsihed 55-10 in the SB!!

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Nov 30, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on, Man!

Those teams did not have Orton.

by Mr.Pibbs on Nov 30, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

The season is over and signing Orton just makes us pick deeper in the draft.

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by CPT.Caveman on Nov 30, 2011 8:06 PM CST reply actions  

Hater :)

As long as we count on another team losing out we have a shot.

ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 30, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh come on now.. he lost to Tebow

How good can he really be?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 30, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

He shits footballs.

And they come out in perfect spirals. How good is that?

by Mr.Pibbs on Nov 30, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to admit

every game I still hope for a win, and you’re right…seeing how the D played recently I can see us having a shot IF our O plays half-decent.

Really hoping to see what Orton can give us next couple of weeks, coz that’s what it will take for me to say “Put in Stanzi” OR “Let’s keep rolling with Kyle!”

by urod69 on Nov 30, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

Wiffin for Griffin!!

Since we can’t suck for Luck!

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Nov 30, 2011 8:13 PM CST reply actions  

Layin a turd for Griffin the Third?

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 30, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Too much KC Kool-Aid will give you diabetes...

Hope comes at an expense which this team is too far in debt to afford…Loan Denied!

by CHIEFFAN82 on Nov 30, 2011 8:14 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah I've read that before.

But I’m done arguing about who would be better for this team at QB. I believe Haley and Pioli like Stanzi, and he’ll get his shot next year after the o-line is fixed and other holes are filled. I don’t think we draft a QB at all next year, and I’m usually right.

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by CPT.Caveman on Nov 30, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Some hilarious comments in this one.

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Nov 30, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

Ahh...kool aid.

Now that I’ve guzzled that down, I’d like to toss out that the Bears don’t exactly run the most complicated defense in the NFL. A QB’s familiarity with the Lovie 2 isn’t going to make or break this game. What will certainly help is gluing some wheels back onto the running game and taking the yards they give you.

by NotAGoodName on Nov 30, 2011 8:42 PM CST reply actions  

IF.......

You can somehow convince Orton that the games are actually practice he might be unstoppable. Orton is the ultimate practice player.

by Broncokev on Nov 30, 2011 8:45 PM CST reply actions  

But Orton is the best, yet Palko is still starting.

I’ve pretty much watched every Denver game the last 3 years, and Orton is not the answer. He may be the best QB we have on the roster that’s healthy, but that’s it. Why even sign him if he isn’t playing yet, stupid move IMO because if he does win a couple of games(and that might be giving him too much credit) it only makes us pick further down the board come draft day.

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by CPT.Caveman on Nov 30, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Why tip your hand to Chicago?

Let them study lots of tape on Palko, he won’t be out there more than two series.

"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

by electriclight on Nov 30, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Ummmmm....

Have you seen the team play on offense anytime in the past four weeks?? Usually a team that doesn’t score touchdowns doesn’t make the playoffs. Doesn’t matter how positive you look at it my friend. Chiefs are not a playoff team.

by Flapjacks57 on Nov 30, 2011 8:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Ha ha ha ha

Ha….. no

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"A horrible coach can win four games in 2 out of the last 3 seasons" - Me

by chai1836 on Nov 30, 2011 9:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I know I'm in the minority here....

but I agree with you Aiken. Since when did the season end on week 12? I have faith in pride in my Chiefs. 8-8 is a real possibility. Bears and Jets are beatable, we’ll probably lose to the Packers, and the Raiders and Broncos still have not proven to me that they are legitimate threats or elite teams.

by arrowheadude on Nov 30, 2011 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

If we run the table with Orton at QB, there shouldn't be a QB controversy next year

As 7 mil is too much for a backup, we should cut Cassel and re-sign Orton if that happens.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 AM CST reply actions  

Tell that to the Matt Cassel fans.

Controversy started.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Dec 1, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

no controversy (yet)

let’s see what happens with Orton first …

that said, have to agree with MN on this one … if Orton looks really, really, really good we pretty much need to keep him on as starter and cut or trade Cassel

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Dec 1, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Touche

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I've been reading these blogs but never really posted or commented..

I locked up the kool aid n was gettin ready to throw in my towel, but damn Aiken you made me take it out gulp down that kool aid again..

Awesome post as always + Rec

by Texas Chiefs fan on Dec 1, 2011 12:48 AM CST reply actions  

Hey Aiken

I know of some swamp land down here in Gator country. Maybe you could build your house of dreams on it.

In Todd We Trust!

by MahiMike on Dec 1, 2011 8:19 AM CST reply actions  

Only if the mineral rights go along with it.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Dec 1, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

have to disagree with your assertation that "this team bears no resemblance to ..."

come on, man! the uniforms have NOT changed this year at all :-)

CAN we win vs Da Bears? yup … Caleb Hanie isn’t any better than Tyler Palko (based on last week’s events vs Raiders) so all the Chiefs have to do is score numerous points and … oh wait, that’s been an issue lately, hasn’t it?

well, we have a tough defense (usually) so it’s POSSIBLE … of course, Da Bears defense is no slouch either, should be an interesting game, however it goes

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by upamtn on Dec 1, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

If we beat the bears

and Miami beats the raiders, the koolaid factory will have to rehire all the employees they laid off a couple of weeks ago. :)

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

This game will tell us.

The positive things I have seen with the team are what Aiken mentioned. The defense is playing better than they have all season, in 6 of the last 8 quarters. They are more aggressive than maybe I have ever seen them, and are swarming to the ball and getting alot of pressure on the QB. Haley has opened up the offensive playbook, unlike I have yet to see since he has been the HC, and has made some good adjustments to help with a stagnant rushing attack. The problem, though, is 4 games without an offensive touchdown, and 2 of those games had Cassel playing the entire game.

I do have some optimism based on what I stated, and observed. I do like that the team has so far continued to play hard for Haley. If they can continue to move the ball, offensively, and actually get in the end zone, I think they can upset the Bears, especiallky with them having to also play a backup QB. It once again will boil down to not beating themselves. If Palko throws an interception early, pull him! If we have a player with a chronic, stupid and untimely penalty problem, pull them!

I think our playoff chances are still minimal, at best, as we not only have 2 games to make up, but our schedule is not friendly to us. With that said, I will regain alot of optimism, and faith in the coaches and players, if they show heart and fight, at a time when there is alot of adversity, and they could give up. I agree that Haley and his coaches have made some good adjustments, based on now having to be more of a passing team, utilizing the no huddle and implimenting a hurry up offense, and having a blitzing, pressure defense. He is playing to the strengths of the players the team has left on the field. I’m not as worried about the Bears beating us, as bad as I am worried about the Chiefs beating us, as has been the case the past couple of games. Regardless of if the Chiefs make the playoffs, or not, if they continue to play hard, and the coaching staff continues to play to the strengths of the team, and we can pull off a couple of upsets, I will end this season alot more optimistic than I was 3 weeks ago, going into next season. We have seen the potential. Now just take that potential and turn it into wins. If they don’t, I don’t know how much longer Haley, or any coach, can hold the locker room together.

There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.

by Racyman on Dec 1, 2011 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

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