PFF notices Justin Houston
"I won’t be crowning Justin Houston (+4.6) the savior just yet, but this performance was as encouraging, as it was complete. Houston picked up a pressure and a batted pass to go along with four defensive stops, while adding another hurry and a QB hit on plays that were called back because of penalties. The rookie also had a lot of success against Heath Miller in the run game, highlighted by how easily he shed the block of Miller to make a tackle for a loss with 5:14 left in the game. A breakout game? Time will tell."
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Finally
He didn’t look like a rookie out there. He was in the right place and made some nice tackles. I’m excited to see how he follows that up next game. Have to get excited about something right.
by KCNorm on Nov 29, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
other good news...
According to PFF, the Chiefs best player on D against PIT was – you guessed it – Justin Houston. No.2 – you didn’t guess it- Allen Bailey
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Obviously, Pioli has no clue about the draft.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
by Tarkus on Nov 29, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
clearly...
as the season goes, on, hopefully we’ll see growing contributions from the other rookies as well…
I like what I’ve seen from Baldwin, Houston, Hudson, Bailey and Powe
I think Brown has shown some potential as well… hopefully Stanzi can do the same someday, and this will be a good class!
by stagdsp on Nov 29, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah.
I think this class has a great chance to eventually be better than the 2010 class, which is already very good.
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
by Tarkus on Nov 29, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2010 couldnt possibly have been good because Pioli cant draft
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Minnesota W (2-2) Miami W (4-4) @Chicago W @Denver W
Thunder Win-Loss 2011-2012 record (52-14)
Western division champs
NBA Champs over Miami Heat
the 2010 draft is overrated
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Berry (All Pro), Asamoah (solid starter), Moeaki (solid starter), Dex (contributor), Arenas (big contributor), and Lewis (solid starter)?
Getting more than a couple of contributors out of a draft is a win. That was an excellent draft.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Lets travel back in time
The 2010 draft was looked at by many as 1 of the deepest in the last decade.It was certainly better than the 09 draft a year earlier.After the disaster of his 09 draft,Pioli was under immense pressure to get this draft right.The common theme is that it was the best draft the chiefs had in along time(guess people already forgot about the 08 draft).How good was it really?
In the 1st round ,KC had a choice between 2 dire positions of need in the form of S Eric Berry,or OT Russel Okung.Fans were divided between the 2(I would have been happy with either) Kc took Berry who made the pro bowl his rookie season.Okung struggled with a high ankle sprain his rookie year but has started 21 games so far.Berry is on IR right now.It is to early to tell who is better,but I will say Pioli got the better of the deal
In the 2nd round, filled with starters in which this team desperartley needed,Pioli decides on a 170 lb soaking wet scat back instead.Huh,what…he got cute instead of going for an every down starter.bad move.
But,Pioli wasn’t happy with just 1 role player.No no no,he decides to take a nickel corner/KR that ran a 4.56 forty at the combine.What makes this pick hurt even worse,is that he basicly traded a 1st ballot HOF player for Arenas a role player.I do NOT expect anyone to replace the greatest player ever at his position with any pick ,let alone a 2nd rounder.But I do expect at least a solid starter out of the deal.Arenas is a nice player,but not worthy of that selection ,regardless of what(who) it was traded for.
And that is what confuses fans with this draft.Just because a guy is on this team,doesn’t mean it was a good pick.You have too look at where the guy was chosen
Moving on,Pioil drafted Jon Ashamoh in the 3rd round.Good pick yes,but I have heard people say he is the next Will Shields….uh….no.He is probably our best line man right now.Although ,our line isn’t very good.Nevertheless,he starts which is more than I can say for Dex/Arenas.
Here is a real head scratcher.Pioli moves back up in the 3rd round for Tony Moeaki.I watch a lot of football.NFL,CFL,AFL,UFL ,division 1,2,3 football,high school football if it’s on tv.Yet,I never heard of the guy.When I looked him up,it became obvious why I hadn’t
2009: Missed three games due to an ankle injury.
2008: Limited to nine games due to nagging injuries, including a concussion, hamstring injury and recovery from a fractured foot.
2007: Received a medical redshirt following four games due to a broken wrist dislocated elbow.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563070
he barely got on the field at Iowa.I told my buddy it was a terrible pick and it was only a matter of time before he got hurt bad.I was happily wrong his rookie season.Unfortionualy,I was right this year.Meanwhile,Aaron Hernandez is becoming an elite tight end ,while Moeaki(Sylvester Morris 2.0) watches on from his ice tub at home(I did want Hernandez that I wont) deny
Continuing on ,Lewis was a great find in the 5th round.Cameron Sheffield is a fringe player. Did I forget to mention he traded 6th and 7th round picks?A 6th rounder for 2 OL Andy Allerman and Idechi Induke(or however you spell his non playin ass) both started a combined 6 games.A 7th rounder also went to Miami in 09 to move up for Jake O’Connel.O’Connel sucks plain and simple.Now,you might be saying ‘’6-7 th round picks ..so what’’. True,but this was a historicly deep draft .Who knows who he could have gotten
In conclusion ,the 2010 draft was much better than the 09 draft.Then again,anything would have looked better than that turkey.And that is part of the reason I think people think this draft was so good.It came right after the worst draft in team history.It wasn’t all that
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 30, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
None of anything you just said
Refutes that we got 6 contributors from that draft.
Does it matter if a guy is on the team? No, not really. Does it matter if he’s contributing? Absolutely.
At the end of the day, you’re not going to find many drafts form which 6 guys are contributing.
Best draft ever? Nah… Good draft? Absolutely.
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You cant judge a draft that way
Barry Richardson was a great pick in the 6th round.Take him in the 2nd round, and you have an issue. Jake O’Connel and Donald Washington ,are about the same type of player.But ,the O’Connell pick gets a c+ while the Washington pick gets a D.Why is that?Because 1 was taken in the 4th round ,while 1 was taken in the 7th.Don’t fool yourself,where you are drafted matters. 1st ,2nd,3rd picks should all be able to start for your team when you draft them.
Look ,were not comparing Peking duck to Massaman Curry here ,as far as the 09 draft to the 2010 draft. It is more like comparring tuna noodle casserole to a turd sandwich.Tuna noodle casserole is ok,but compared to a turd sandwich it’s delicious.Any draft would have looked better than the 09 draft.It wasn’t all that i’m telling you
In his 1st 5 picks,Pioli got 3 starters but he could have had 5.Also,2 of those guys have torn acl’s now.Who knows how they will come back,if they even can.In the case of Berry,I give Pioli a pass as he didn’t any serious medical issues in college.He got a good player ,who by a cheap block tore his ACL,bad luck.I’m not as kind about the Moeaki pick.Moeaki had huge medical issues and now he’s hurt.I guess I am the only 1 on here not surprised by that.He is Sylvester Morris 2.0
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 30, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
And don't start with the, "yeah, well, we SHOULD'VE taken this guy" stuff...
Hindsight is always 20/20, and no matter how good a draft you had there will be positions where you could’ve gotten better. Bottom line is how are the players you DID draft doing?
Any time you can get more than one starter out of a draft, you’ve had a good draft. Throw in a couple of contributors and it’s a great one. An all pro on top? A phenomenal one.
People always act as though a draft is a failure if it doesn’t produce multiple PB players, but at the end of the day a team that hits on even half its draft picks is WAY ahead of the curve. Take a look at the last few drafts. Way more misses than hits overall for every single team.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Heh, it's not even worth it MN.
This guy just has some weird zealot like ingrained hatred of Pioli.
Pioli could go out and create a free cure for cancer tomorrow, and he’d just say, “Well he should’ve cured it years ago. Screw that guy he sucks. And what about AIDS? I don’t see him curing that. What a loser.”
It’s just one of those stupid things here on AP like H2E’s irrational hatred of adults in jerseys.
It is what it is.
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And you will apologize for him no matter what he does
Maybe you think 165 lb scat backs in the 2nd round and trading up for fragile tight ends are good ideas.But I don’t think that’s how you build a winner,sorry
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 30, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
the 2010 class
I really think we’re seeing good improvements out of Arenas this year
Asamoah has been and will be a stud
I think McCluster has been a pretty solid player, though not as spectacular as I had hoped
Just need Berry and Moeaki to stay healthy!!!
by stagdsp on Nov 29, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Once we get our O line fixed, Dexter is going to look like D. Sproles.
He needs some holes to run through and get some open spaces.
sproles didnt do that much until...
He joined the right offense, with a qb and OC that used him properly
Dex has a chance…
by stagdsp on Nov 29, 2011 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Arenas and Sex still not worth there draft slot
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
whoops lmao i meant Dex
haha sex is always worth any slot,my bad
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure you just meant Dex.
Arenas is like the best punt returner in the league, stats wise..
Not to mention a reliable nickle back who can blitz.
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Nov 29, 2011 9:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he's only a nicler corner /kr
we had a lot more pressing needs than that in the 2nd round
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Nickle guys are in about 70% of the time..
I’d say that’s a pressing need.
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Nov 29, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather have a starter
Especially when you basicly traded your HOF tight end for him
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Hall of Fame TE pasing his prime
AND who wanted to play for a contender, not be a part of another rebuild.
I loved Gonzalez, but Pioli also drafted a guy in the 3rd that made him an afterthought.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
you mean a guy that missed half his games in college and is now on IR?
They share the same 1st name and that is about it.They surely don’t share durability ,Moeaki has already missed 8 times as many games as Gonzalez did
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
He tore his ACL.
Not a durability issue.
Players get hurt, and he was fine last year. Hopefully it doesn’t become an issue, but thus far in his pro career it hasn’t really been one.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
He missed HALF his games in college
He had medical red flags,there is no way around it
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Which is presumably why he dropped.
But where was all his injury proneness last year? He came in to play with the big boys, and he played hard, and he was good to go.
Some players get hurt more because they’re fragile. Some get hurt more because of the way they play. For some it’s both.
We’ll see about Moeaki. So far in the pros_, we haven’t seen any evidence of injury proneness.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
whahh??
He missed most of training camp with an ankle injury(which he had in college)
He missed a game with a concussion(which he had in college)
This year he had off season knee surgery,then he tore his ACL.I think he is the next Bob Sanders
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Players have offseason surgery all the time.
So did Tamba. So did Flowers. Charles last offseason I believe.
They aren’t injury prone.
And practice? We’re talking about practice??
If he turns into the offensive Bob Sanders I’ll tell you you were right. Like I said, we still don’t know.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs should be concerned
we have seen this before
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
And two weeks ago people thought Houston was a bust
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
and he's not now because he almost got to the qb
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
It is too early to judge the guy.
Especially with suspect D-line play. Houston looks pretty good. Just raw.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
And provided excellent run support
And looked good in coverage.
Pressures are huge, and you’re a sharp enough guy to know that.
He’s shown improvement in every facet of the game, and our D has improved along with his play.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Good point, these days yes.
We had a massive need at kick returner (am I the only ones who remember how terrible our kick returners were?) and Pioli knows how important the secondary is in today’s and tomorrow’s game
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Cribbs,Marc Mariari,Lerod Stevens Howling
All very good KR ,all taken after the 6th round..A nickel corner also can be had later as well
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
What about a player who's good, possibly great, at both?
There are many good reasons Javier Arenas was picked that highly. Trust me on this one.
And, it filled two needs with one pick. And supposedly they were targeting a NT but he went before they picked in that spot.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Terrence(Mount) Cody went 7 spots later
He starts on the best defense in the league(ravens)
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
I could have sworn he went earlier than Javy.
But yeah I would have loved him too. I don’t think he’s much of a passing down player, though.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Dude had more red flags than a Soviet battleship
But with the benefit of hindsight…
And never mind the fact that their D hasn’t been any BETTER with him than it was with Gregg out there.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
in 2010 they were 8th in total defense
right now they are 3rd
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
YPG means jack
They are .4 PPG better than they were in 2010. Yee-haw.
I daresay you’re quite a bit more generous in divvying out props to players you liked but we didn’t get than guys on our own team.
If I told you Houston was a great pick because our PPG is down .4 this year you’d scoff at me.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
point is he fills a position of need
How about he made Gregg expendable
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 30, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
And Gregg filled our posiiton of need
With Powe for down the road.
So NT got filled, and without us taking a 2nd round flyer on an extremely risky guy.
Now, Powe may not pan out. But the need got filled without taking a major risk. Hindsight shows that the risk would’ve likely been worth it, but AT THE TIME, it’s a totally justifiable decision, and hardly worth the lashing you’re giving it.
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then why did I say grab him then
Cody is a better player than Powe or Gregg
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
i know this is going to sound crazy, but i'm actually excited to see what gabe miller has to offer
our front seven picks from the last three seasons have mostly been pretty solid, with the exception of McGee in Pioli’s first year (though we got a pick out of him so I really can’t be that upset). I don’t count Sheffield in that because he was picked at 142 and hasn’t looked ‘atrocious’ when we’ve seen him.
Miller looked decent before his injury, I thought. Maybe we’ll have some solid depth in him? (wishful thinking)
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I still want to see what Cory Greenwood develops into, as well.
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me too!
he’s already among the best ST players on the team… but I think he has the ability to cover and hit.
Also Brandon Bair… there’s a reason he has been on the 53 all year…
not to mention he is a Canadian, so he is the definition of "the right 53".
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I thought Canada was the 51st state.
Not 53rd.
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yep he's another one i'm excited about
he’s looked pretty good on ’Teams the last two years
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
with him and Siler possibly back
KC could be in good shape at ILB…
an upgrade over Belcher, making him a backup? they could get rid of DW, and be SET for years
I'd be ok with all of that.
I could see them bringing in an ILB draft pick in the vein of jalil brown this year, also. I’m somewhat surprised that we haven’t drafted one anywhere in the last 3 drafts. Sort of like we did with Greenwood, actually, but an actual pick.
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Jovan Belcher? The UDFA out of the little Division I U-Maine?
HAHA! Alright, where to start?!
I really don’t see how much better people expect this guy to play at this point in his career?
The deck is stacked against him in so many ways;
1) Small school, not a lot of top-tier competition
2) Switched from OLB after Sophomore year to DE and then to ILB when signed to an UDFA contract by KC – now think about this, every two years he was asked to re-learn fundamentals, gaps, stances, schemes. Which gave him no consistency in his road to becoming an NFL starter.
3) Did I mention he hasn’t had any consistentcy? The most consistent has been with KC. Although even that involved rotating DCs.
4) Did I mention he’s a UDFA?? UDFAs have a huge possibility of hit-or-miss and to be truthful, he’s performed pretty well considering…
Positives are:
1) This guy is athletic
2) Great hips
3) Hard hitter
4) Amazing balance (which helps more than one might think)
5) Has the heart to take the path to NFL starter he’s taken, which is not by any means easy and yet he hasn’t quit
6) He obviously learns new fundamentals, gaps, stances, schemes pretty well as he has survived
7) Sans Derrick Johnson, he IS the BEST ILB on this team. Go ahead, argue it and I promise I won’t listen
8) The consistent improvement from his rookie season 2009 to this year is significant enough to give one hope that he has yet to reach his ceiling and hopefully will not anytime soon
There are more, but I’ll stop here.
Anyways, Jovan Belcher is not Nick Barnett and probably never will be and there are probably better prospects that the Chiefs could have attained the services of since Jovan’s arrival, but he is not horrible and dare I say he is actually pretty solid!
In closing, I realize that this post was a little bit biased, but I get sick of people trashing him, when he is actually a solid ILB. So, get off his back!!
Where would Miller play?
Are we looking for him to outplay Studebaker or Sheffield for OLB, or beat Siler or Greenwood to back up an ILB spot?
he seems to me like a guy that could be a backup at LOLB
I remember seeing him in one of the preseason games, where he got a pressure, sealed an edge for a run tackle, and sniffed out a screen pass all in like 3 or 4 plays, and then he got injured. Seems like what we’re starting to see out of Houston.
So, more Studie’s spot than Sheffield’s, in my honest opinion
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
good question
I think it’s too early to tell
I thought I read that the Chiefs liked his pass rush potential, but that he could play inside or out, and help on ST.
he’s a project, for sure
I agree with Gabe Miller, I think he has the quickness to atleast be a sub-package pass rusher
With Hali, Houston, Sheffield, Miller, Studebaker, I think the Chiefs can ignore OLB as a priority in the draft in 2012 to see how these guys look/develop with a full training camp /OTAs this off-season
Depending who is left at the end I would still look heavily at a DE/OLB type
7th or UDFA, have to keep churning that spot for the defense to continue to work
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
you can't cross your fingers and hope guys develop
You have to get the pass rush problems solved.13 sacks as a TEAM!!
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
I do hate the low sack totals.
Though part of it is definitely on the fact that we don’t blitz very often. Honestly we don’t blitz nearly as often as I’d like.
But that’s Romeo’s bend-but-don’t-break philosophy. I really would like to see some more aggressive defensive game plans though, like we saw against the first half of the Pats game, and almost all of this last game.
Pressure screws with QB’s. Even the great ones.
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I think (hope) the pressure we've seen lately will continue
And it would make sense that we’re seeing it now and not sooner. Having a player like Berry over the top allows for more blitz freedom because he’s able to clean up the potential weakness created by that blitz. Losing him forced RAC to cut back on blitzes because he needed the extra defender in coverage to compensate for Berry. Now that the defense is settling in and has learned to work effectively without Berry, Romeo has more freedom to dial up pressure.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I don't think he is more than a ST player
Size/speed guy that is about it
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, really liking this draft class as they have flashed potential in real games, not just looking good on paper
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Baldwin and Hudson maybe
Justin Houston- I know people are excited because he almost pressured Big Ben,but lets settle down.He hasn’t rushed the passer all year,despite being handed the starting job
Allen Bailey- no impact on a pretty weak line
Jalil Brown- barely gets on the field
Rickt Stanzi-couldn’t beat out Palco for the number 2 spot
Jerrel Powe- can’t get on the field despite no depth at NT
Gabe Miller – on IR ,another injury prone college player on the roster
Shane Bannon on and off the practice squad
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I was never a huge fan of the Bailey or Bannon picks
but you pretty much said it about the rest of the guys on the list (Stanzi, Powe, Brown)… these guys haven’t had the playing time yet. They could all be pretty damn good. We’ll just have to wait and see. It’s too early to judge this draft by FAR.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I know people are excited because he almost pressured Big Ben,but lets settle down
Wow, nice straw man. How about…
“People are excited because he played a great overall game, adding pressure, sealing the edge, and looking good in coverage.”
It doesn’t sound quite as crazy when said that way.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Scott Pioli is a terrible human being.
He did nothing at all to try to prevent the Holocaust. Clearly he hates Jews.
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Man I've been wanting Bailey to start getting it.
The guy’s physical attributes are just crazy. If he gets technique and the ability to diagnose what’s going on quick enough, he could be a manimal.
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its pretty nice to see those two stepping up.
they were honestly my two players to watch going into this season just based on their stories and upside. its awesome that they are improving steadily.
and i’m with Worc up above. Berry will allow us to unleash these two and their full potential on defenses in the future. i’m pretty stoked about that.
this defense is going to be scary if we can keep adding pieces to it at the rate we’ve been doing so the last two seasons
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
I like the 2012 squad with Siler and Berry back and HOPEFULLY improved depth at the S position
by stagdsp on Nov 29, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the only thing i think our D needs, in order to completely transform it into an unstoppable force,
is a killer at ILB that can cover, opposite DJ. That would completely open up our entire defense and I’m not sure we’d be so handcuffed to Berry’s health.
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
I hear ya
a “killer ILB” would be a ‘nice to have’ IMHO
Depth at S would keep the Chiefs from being “so handcuffed to Berry’s health” more-so than a Belcher upgrade
agreed, but i'm thinking more in-game
so maybe it’s not berry’s health so much as his ability that we’d be less handcuffed to
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
i just don't want our defense to turn into PIT's when Polamalu is out, when berry is out :(
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
His absence didn't seem to hurt them against the Chiefs.
Then again, the Chiefs did triple their scoring output from the week before, so maybe they really did miss Troy.
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ha, true.
but then again, who needs a stud safety when the opposing quarterback is going to personally hand-deliver the ball to someone else :(
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by Chris Sembower on Nov 29, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
he has slowly made progress from looking very very lost, to looking very very comfortable.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Hopefully this game to Houston is what Jacksonville was to Berry last year.
Really loving our defense. With getting Berry back and a stud ILB somday (hopefully) we will be a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully Powe can at least be an above average NT and we find someone to replace Dorsey. Need someone on the line opposite TJax that can stop the run but also get some pressure sometimes. I think I rather have Gordon start and Gilberry back him up at this point. Now if we could only get a QB we could be a real super bowl contender :(
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Nov 29, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions
Houston has quietly been improving for weeks
And is a big reason why our defense has looked better recently.
Bailey’s been getting better as well, albeit not nearly as quickly.
Our defense is looking legit even without Berry. With him? (shivers).
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If they can start holding teams to zero points, we might have a chance to win.
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if they continue to play at this level for the rest of the season
We can officially call them legit. Its gotta last through this really tough stretch though
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by reedeasy on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ooh ooh ooh, can I? Can I say it?
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by TRSChief on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There it is!
BTW, have you gotten a load of the new guy ed? Him and Rev are forming a whole new type of Kool-Aid club. Sheeeeeeeesh…
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Oh c'mon man. It's pretty obvious that it's long time AP users just doing a little light hearted trolling.
Probably people that have been called haters by Aiken or something.
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Ed seems legit
Rev, though, that’s gotta be RAWKC. He left a clue in the last thread by making a reference to GAWD (not the spelling and capitalization).
Plus, I can’t think of who else it’d be. Arrowdread wouldn’t bother. JComp would consider it a waste of his time. H2E is too “cool” for such extended hyperbole. LO Thighs would get pissed at himself talking like that. RD would never do it. Craig and Sas have both asked who he is, ups wouldn’t have the patience to last this long, I’m not doing it, Satch has been in poor health and not commenting much…
Seriously, who’s left? If I wasn’t so crushed by finals right now I’d do a full fledged post about this, with a suspect list and everything…
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how do we know it's not you
Everyone is a suspect
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
NOBODY LEAVE THE ROOM!
We have ourselves a game of Clue!
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Sweet! Been too long
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have time
I haven’t even done my post this week (and may not) with finals coming up and getting sick this weekend…
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
But of those that denied it - let me ask you this.
If you were doing it, wouldn’t you deny it?
CALL IN SHAGGY AND SCOOB!
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People get way to excitited
He got close to the qb 1 time,he’s not Lawerence Taylor.He has to do waaaay more to impress me
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions
Hey man, baby steps.
I’ll start with someone consistently sealing the edge against the run. We haven’t had anyone do that with any consistency at all since Vrabel.Granted he couldn’t get any pass rush. But if Houston can start consistently containing the outside run, that’s a big step.
Then we just work on the pass rush.
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I guess
We still need to take a pass rusher in the draft early.I would also try Studebaker in side
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
We took pass rushers last year.
Houston, Bailey, Miller.
They and Cameron Sheffield are still developing, meaning other needs are more pressing. I understand we have to get to the QB, but I’m gonna blame some of it on the D-line and I personally won’t be happy taking more OLBs too early in the draft.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever it takes
13 sacks!!!
Are you kidding me?
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I know.
But think about this… Amon Gordon 2 sacks in 2 games in Dorsey’s spot. Hell with D-linemen in the 3-4 don’t get sacks, yes they do, just not like pass rushing defensive end.
I’m starting to think we need to go back to the well for D-linemen and try to trade Dorsey to a 4-3 team.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
or better yet move to a 4-3
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
3-4 is so much more versatile.
And if we can build the right personnel (which we are moving closer to doing) then we can run both.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
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