Chiefs Confirm Jared Gaither Release; David Mims On His Way
by Joel Thorman on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM CST
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs have confirmed that offensive tackle Jared Gaither has been released from the 53-man roster. And, according to a couple of reports from 810 WHB's Jay Binkley and Soren Petro, he's expected to be replaced by OT David Mims from the practice squad. (The Chiefs haven't confirmed that yet.)
Mims went through training camp with the Chiefs and, as Petro said on Twitter, he certainly looks the part of an NFL player getting off the bus coming in at 6'8" and 335 pounds.
We haven't heard from Todd Haley on Gaither's release (and won't until tomorrow) so we're not sure why the move was made now. Most people are pointing out Gaither's false start penalty on his fill-in snap for an injured Brandon Albert.
The Chiefs offensive tackle situation is now: Brandon Albert, Barry Richardson, Steve Maneri and soon-to-be David Mims.
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Mims!
The one word that makes baby jesus cry
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 11:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
How can you fire a guy for one false start? Where's the compassion?
by Slim with the Tilted Brim on Nov 29, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Especially during this time of year!
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
Yeah poor Gaither.
He won’t be able to sit the bench and collect checks worth more money than you or I will ever make in our lifetime.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Nov 29, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Lets see, you have one false start and you get released, but throw 6 ints and one fumbble and your our starting quaterback.
PRICELESS!!! This coach is an idiot. I used to be all for him but it looks like his goal is to get fired and sit on his ass next year and draw a pay check.
by Ricky Stanzi's Ex-Girlfreind on Nov 29, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
if you really think he was released for one false start
you might be the “pot calling the kettle black”…
by stagdsp on Nov 29, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How do you tell your family that you got fired on your day off?
Don’t be alarmed if you see Gaither ringing the bell for Salvation Army…Just give a few dollars and run.
by Slim with the Tilted Brim on Nov 29, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
If we are bringing up Mims...
We might as well release the rest of the offensive line… because there can’t be that much awesomeness on one line.
This will free us up to run 7 WR sets.
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
haha nice
would like to see draughn too . our run game is sub par at best. Needs something .
Yes!! Totally agree with that!
Release TJ bring up deaughn
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
haha only thing is
TJ is prob the most productive last few weeks . gag
Is it bad I was hoping he’d get released so we wouldn’t have to go through the “jokes” again?
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by JComp11 on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Uh oh, more conformity for you to hate
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lame Chuck Norris jokes is what I hate.
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Funny he is just now jumping on that himself
with the WOW commercials. Chuck should have been cashing in on that.
yeah. big mistake
hate the jokes personally, but my gosh, cash in when its your name getting used. norris waited too long
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
He has been cashing in on it for years now, actually.
He was in a commercial based on the jokes a couple years back and also, around that time, sued somebody for that crap.
Screw Chuck Norris, what a tool. I guess his Total Gym money was starting to run out.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
FREE MIMS!!!
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
It's crazy how big these guys are when you think about it.
Mims is 6’8" / 335lb, and by bringing him in Gaither’s place, we actually lost an inch and five pounds.
Mutants!
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Wasn’t Gaither the biggest OL in the league?
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Maybe tallest, then. Think I heard that somewhere. I’ll look.
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This freak right here?!
Terrell Brown, Ole Miss, at one point was at 415 lbs, at 6’11"
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Read it on Wikipedia, I guess.
Jared, at 6’9, is one of the tallest players in the NFL, the others being Dennis Roland of the Cincinnati Bengals and Demar Dotson of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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there you go
yeah, he’s tall and lanky
I remembered reading that Baltimore wasn’t happy that he couldn’t keep his weight up
Well, I'm just going by officially listed stats
Big or not
Gaither didn’t appear (to me) to be even semi-athletic. He was skinny-fat— that is, he may have weighed 340 lbs., but it was clear he didn’t have half the muscle mass that a starting NFL tackle should have.
I have been waiting for this all year
I remember in the offseason when he was signed, and the comments section was just full of one liners about Mims, got a real good kick out of that.
That's because of some guy on here named Big Daddy Booster
He was propping Mims up so much in the preseason that the Chuck Norris jokes soon followed.
It was the best of times...
Yeah, it was just the best of times.
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By the "best" I mean
I personally found it hilarious to read and post Chuck Norris knockoff jokes after watching Mims’ brother lose his shit and start lambasting everyone on AP.
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Well that's a pretty shoddy tackle group right there.
Props to Albert for his play this year, but B-Rich hasn’t really progressed and Steve Maneri is just some guy with a knee that can destroy Polamalu. Gaither couldn’t regain his old form and Mims is just a prospect with a shitload of rehashed Chuck Norris jokes attached…sigh. Orton will be running for his life in Chicago.
"Toby has been cruising for a bruising for years, and I am now his cruise director. And my name, is Captain Bruising."
Palko had all kinds of time for most of the game. If you think our OL is that bad you should watch some games from a couple years ago to remind you how bad it can get.
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by JComp11 on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Woodley was out and Albert took care of Harrison.
This week it’s Peppers and a very underrated player (in my opinion) Israel Idonije. And yeah, I remember Sackintosh and who was it, Adrian Jones (is that right?) at guard…yeah that shit was bad!
"Toby has been cruising for a bruising for years, and I am now his cruise director. And my name, is Captain Bruising."
by bobby sippio! on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Goff at guard was horrible as well
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I still remember the blocked field goal
Where he didn’t even bother to move.
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by Scaryclouds on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that was Rudy at Center?
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by Scaryclouds on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Almost had. Thanks for that.
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Your welcome
I still remember when he tried desperately to botch downing a punt inside the ten. The dude just kept on rolling like a retard towards the endzone.
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by Scaryclouds on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
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by Scaryclouds on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, let's fondly relive the good ol' days of Sackintosh and Goff.
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And Wade Smith was the one that got away
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Yup. One of the few miscues that I'm legitimately unhappy with Pioli about.
That one slipped through our fingers.
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kinda
I was just reading the other day that he’s now the weakest link on their OL and in dire need of an upgrade
The only weak link is left guard Wade Smith. Smith is being abused in both the passing (-11.1) and running games (-6.3).
Word. Wade sucked.
He got picked up by the Colts because of his big body, but the guy was not much of a football player.
Wade Smith is now with the Colts?
Didn’t know that, thought he was still with the Texans
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Thought the word was last year he was great for them and their ZBS?
So confused…
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
He graded out pretty well last year when I was keeping up with him.
Maybe he regressed a bit? Like how Lilja was our best O Lineman last year, and this year he hasn’t been grading out that well.
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I still have to wonder if with Lilja it is due to Casey and Lilja both wearing down so fast
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Could be.
As much as I like Waters, – him, Lilja and Wiegs forming the interior was a lot of old piling up. (Okay so Lilja isn’t that old, but looks it and is staring to play like it.)
Glad we plugged in Asamoah when we did, he’s brought some life to the interior. And hopefully Hudson can stay productive. We need it in a major way.
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Asamoah has been amazing for us
Hopefully Hudson can bring the same level of play when he is in the line up full time
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think "amazing" is a bit of an overstatement...
he’s held his own and he’s got a lot of potential, but even “good” would probably be a stretch right now.
by polodude017 on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
For a first year starter being arguably our best linemen?
That is nothing short of amazing
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Being the best offensive lineman on this line isn't exactly something to write home about.
And there’s something to be said for player RG vs. LT. He’s been solid, but let’s temper the enthusiasm a bit here. I’ve got high hopes for him too, but right now he’s just solid with a lot of untapped potential.
by polodude017 on Nov 29, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Agree to disagree
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'd suggest you go back and read the O-line breakdowns.
Paying particular attention to the power scores. The line as a whole has been poor, and while Asamoah has been solid (especially assignment wise), he’s still been negative in the power score more often than not.
I have read every one
Rec’d everyone and been in the following discussion
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'd suggest you do that as well.
Power score isn’t the only qualifier, but it is a big factor. So is assignment grade as a percentage.
http://profootballspotlight.com/chiefs-stats
He had a bad game against Miami. Yup, that’s completely on him.
Rest of the season he’s been good. He dealt well with having to face big stout D Lines like DET, MIN and OAK as well. Those are tough assignments on the interior.
For a first year starter he’s doing really well. Overall compared to the rest of the line, he’s definitely above average.
That’s a good pickup.
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Again, here's where you are not following me.
I really don’t care how he’s been compared to rest of the o-line because the o-line has been largley garbage this season. I’ll re-iterate, he’s been solid and I don’t see anything wrong with that assessment. The words “amazing” and “awesome” are thrown around far too often in reference to players.
And while the power score isn’t the only indicator, it’s a pretty good one of how he faired one on one against the defender he was asked to block. People shouldn’t be shocked be a 2nd year 3rd round pick (who was projected by most as at least a 2nd) coming in and playing decent.
I'm not shocked. I'm happy about it.
It’s a good pick. May end up being a great pick.
Amazing? How amazing can a guard be?
If we shore up the entire line with young guys who play as well as Asamoah is in his second year in the league / first year starting, we’ll have a very good O Line overall.
What’s so hard about that?
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Good definitely isn't a stretch.
Asamoah has been solid. He had one bad game, and the rest have been average to pretty good.
For a first year starter, that’s more than you can realistically expect. It’s a nice surprise.
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I think you've got to give the guy at least good.
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maybe
Palko had Quite a bit of time against pitt . And gaither didn’t play. So i dont think much changes.
What are you talking about?
Gaither gave Palko a free timeout with his false start
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Is Mims really any good ?
or do people just like the jokes, lol
A lot of potential.. mainly just jokes at this point
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
JOKES!
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Mims jokes are weak and puny when compared to Mike Cox.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Neckbeard is not a part of the club
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
She puked on him
Would so not happen if she was on Cox
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I do believe that tanzilla puked on "The Dude", not cool bro, not cool.
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
Mims jokes are soft.
It doesn’t get any harder than Cox.
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That's the reaction I usually get when I enter a room.
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He was pretty bad in the preseason
But maybe he’s gotten better by practicing against NFL players all year
by Chatch McNasty on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
In all seriousness
I really hope this is because he’s shown improvement in his time on the PS and not just because of a lack of options. he’s certainly got the size to play, so here’s hoping he’s gained some skill to go along with it.
I think it has less to do with the penalty on Sun night and more to do with Chiefs thinking Mims' potential > Gaither's
It’s officially poaching season for other team’s practice squads so Chiefs have to start adding guys on the PS to the 53 man roster they want to keep or risk losing them. Next move should be to IR Lilja and promote OG Harris
Neckbeard and Mims both on the active roster?
Good god… I don’t think there’s enough Jack Daniels in KC to support this move. Fortunately for us Mims pisses Crown.
Not just Crown...a perfectly mixed Crown & Coke
Whereas Orton pisses moonshine
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Orton rain shine on my Ole' Kentucky Home...
This must have been what they were singing about…
Go Chiefs!!!!
I know a couple of guys who still make moonshine
Stuff is just amazing
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
After a night of moonshine, I could fly the jet too!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
My friends status update on Friday was...
Moonshine was a good idea at the time…
Go Chiefs!!!!
Very nice
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Being that it was from a 30 year old lady...
yes it was
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by ChiefWildcat on Nov 29, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
What a weird move
We stick with some bums for 2-3 years (McGraw, Cassel, Jones), and then cut this dude because of 1 snap?
(Yes I realize I’m oversimplifying, but it’s a headscratcher for certain)
Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.
by craig in calgary on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM CST reply actions
I doubt the one snap was the only reason.
Heard rumors of work ethic problems. And he wasn’t impressive enough to beat out BRich. That alone has to tell you something.
by Tomahawk29 on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if those were rumors
However the worth ethic came from Balt, and he clearly didn’t beat out BRich, I have been pointing to those as possible reasons he has not been playing along with the injury and people have been shooting me down
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Rumors are just that - so I'm not putting much stock into them.
But we know for sure he couldn’t beat out BRich. And he’s the weak link on the OL.
Guy likely never fully recovered from the back injury, and just didn’t work hard enough. Oh well.
Gaither did say his back is 100% IIRC
Not sure he could really fit the scheme though, that likely played the biggest part in it all
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Would you really expect him to tell the media 10 weeks into a season that his back is 90%?
And if scheme is the reason he was cut, then why are we promoting a guy from the practice squad that fits the same measurables as Gaither?
There was a lot of talk about how mobile Mims was during the Sr Bowl or
East West game whichever he was in. Mims could have a lot higher upside at this point and with how our season is might as well get the guy in game and see what we have.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
But don’t most teams want athletic OL? They don’t want slow, weak linemen. If that’s the argument against Gaither, I’m not sure he would fit most NFL teams’ schemes, you know.
Every Olinemen is athletic to a point however some require more for their scheme
Like our ZBS, where the Oline constantly is moving onto the second and even third level blocking. Other teams who run a Power scheme just want their Olinemen to crash forward a few yards on the runs, and stonewall their guy on passing plays.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Gaither did look great before the back injury in Balts Power scheme
Multiple times he was able to hold his ground against 2 rushers, I just don’t think he has the balance/footwork to be able to get UP field to the second or third level, even when we do not seem to move our tackles too often
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
I get all that. I’m just wondering abut him. Last year the we were all talking about how the Chiefs zbs was going to work because we got a bunch of smaller, more athletic linemen. Now we’re releasing Gaither because he doesn’t fit our scheme, but replace him with a guy of comparable size. I thought the smaller linemen were the norm for the zbs… yet we’re bringing in Mims?
I’m just saying that I don’t think scheme had much to do with this move, more of Gaither just wasn’t as good as we needed him to be.
We don't move the tackles too often
Mims was raw coming out but according to everyone he was mobile and had incredible upside
It can still be a scheme issue if Gaither was not mobile enough to get to the second level, and Mims can.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
What sucks about this
Is that Gaither may be more talented than Barry Richardson in-game, but since he may suffer from lapses in effort during practice, Haley would never even think of starting him over Barry, despite the talent difference.
The commitment to “Haley-way” over winning strikes again
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you have anything at all to actually support that?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Other than wild speculation and blatant conjecture?
Not looking like it.
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You really trying to say that Haley's history doesn't support that?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Leonard Pope, Jerheme Urban.
’Nuff said.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Sabby EFFING Pisscatelli
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That Gaither is may be more talented than Barry, or that Haley wont play guys who don't give max effort in practice?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or that Gaither hasn’t been giving Maximum Effort in practice. Any of the three.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Consider
I said “even if Gaither was more talented than Barry”, I don’t really think I need to prove anything there.
DJ getting the major cut of playing time because of lack of effort in practice is a pretty good indication of how Haley operates.
And while nothing has been substantiated about Gaither’s effort in practice, plenty of said it, so again, by saying “if gaither isn’t giving maximum effort in practice” is not making any statements of certainties.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
plenty of have said it
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The commitment to "Haley-way" over winning strikes again.
Thought this removed all your qualifiers.
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I can see that
Just my opinion on the way Haley manages his team. If those qualifiers hold true, I don’t agree with the philosophy when effort and heart take priority over fielding the classic coach-speak of putting players on the field that “gives the team the best chance to win”
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why is everything always so completely black and white / either - or?
In reality, it has to be a combination of talent and effort.
You have three guys vying for a roster spot.
One guy has A talent and D- effort.
One guy has A- talent and B+ effort.
One guy has D talent and A+ effort.
You pretty much have to go with the second guy. Because you can count on him in both skills and effort. The first guy looks appealing at a glance with that talent, but you’re never going to be able to count on him. The last guy – thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for our losing contestants today.
And for a head coach at the NFL level, it’s rarely so easy as having a clearly defined A/A-/B+/D/D- like it is in a video game (just as a comparison). So sometimes it takes awhile to get an accurate read. Sometimes it’s missed completely because coaches are humans.
You continue to insist that Haley will always 100% of the time choose the third guy because of “max effort”. And that’s just silly.
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But are you insisting that Haley wouldn't have incidents that he does pick that 3rd guy because of max effort?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
MAXIMUM EFFORT!
Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.
by craig in calgary on Nov 29, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've heard Tim Grunhard say DT was a horrible practice player
But it all comes down to what you do on the football field.It is 1 of the problems I have with Haley,max effort in practice and you get to play.This isn’t JV football,you have to put the most talented guys on the field at all times.I don’t know if Gaither didn’t give full effort in the game or not, cause,I didn’t see enough of him out there.But if he did his job on the field ,yet got cut because of what he did/didn’t do in practice,than that is some bull shit
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree that sends a HORRIBLE message
‘’Yeah he can just sit around in practice, hell yall can, we have another game to play no need to practice where we fucked up at’’
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds a lot like attributing something to someone from a personal agenda, based on nothing but speculation again.
It’s the AP way.
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if you mean Grunhard ,I don't think he has an agenda
If he has 1,then I don’t know what it would be. If Gaither can’t play then he can’t play.Like I said earlier,I didn’t see enough of him to say either way.But if he did his job on game day but took it easy in practice and that is why he was waived,then yes,that sounds like BS to me.I’m not making that accusation,just as a possible scenerio
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
No. I mean you.
Your agenda for just trying to find as many negative things to say about Pioli, Haley. There’s a lot of wild speculation and jumping to conclusions (Grunhard doesn’t really factor into the discussion about Gaither and Haley / Pioli).
Remember, back in the truncated training camp, Gaither was almost never getting real practice reps – spending most of the time in rehab zone.
All common sense points to this guy not being physically up to the task. The Raiders medical staff wouldn’t even clear him, right before we picked him up.
He was a long shot, that if he panned out would’ve been great. He didn’t pan out – common sense points to him just not being up to the task – and he was let go.
Or we could make up a lot of conjecture about the coaches deciding they’d rather lose by playing far inferior players who try hard.
One of those two makes sense.
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wtf are you even talking about man.....??
If Gaither was released because he can’t play then ok ….no problem.If he was released because of practice behavior ,then that is a different story.That’s all i’m saying and frankly,I don’t know the whole story behind him being released.Maybe they like the younger guys on the practice squad,I just don’t know.
And that is what I was initially responding to you about.That is,effort vs production which is more important and I said production IMO.Your defend Haley/Pioli at all costs chip kicked in and you go into this dissertation about me and some agenda.Funny thing is ,I wasn’t attacking the guy.All I did was pose a question ,in relation to the topic at hand.Yet you fly off the handle ,because you thought I dared to question the coaching of 1 Todd Haley…..How dare I? When clearly ,that was not my intention at all
As far as Palco vs Orton vs Stanzi goes,I don’t care at this point who starts at QB . They are all average/below average and if anything , I would rather lose so we can be in a better position to draft a qb.So by all means start Palco the rest of the season,as he gives us the best chance to lose.Orton may be the best qb out of the bunch.Then again,trying to decide who is better out of that group,is like trying to pick gnat shit out pepper.A tedious and ultimately pointless task,with no reward in sight.
I merely brought up Palco’s name because,he is a guy that epitomizes that never give up attitude Haley loves.5 teams said the guy can’t play and yet,this team brought him in as the backup qb.That coupled with the Gaither signing ,are 2 failures dropped before your eyes in less than 2 weeks.Are they huge,epic ,monstrous failures? No,but again ,we see more and more bad personnel decisions from Scott Pioli.I think it is troubling for the future. and there is my mandatory Pioli bash .See what you made me do
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
So lets put a guy in because he trys hard in practice(ala Tyler Palco)
Meanwhile,the team and fans suffer.Ultimately,it is what you can do on the football field that matters.Otherwise, you end up with a bunch of Lance longs on your team,Sure they try hard but can’t play
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Palko also knows the playbook and has been around to grasp the game
Not some 5th round rook who has done nothing
Try harder next time
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
How is the team suffering from Palko starting vs PIT more than it would with anyone else available at the time?
You’d be hard pressed to find a way to start Peyton Manning or Tom Brady two days after you sign them. And you want to trot out Kyle Fucking Orton?
Boggles the mind.
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I think the guy was kept around because he was a hard worker
And the staff liked that about him.How else can you explain keeping a guy around that was cut by a UFL,CFL team?Obviously the guy can’t play
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Certain fans can’t seem to get away from making excuses for bad personnel decisions. If we want to give credit for the good ones, the same accountability needs to be applied to the bad decisions.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And yet the Saints, Cardinals and Steelers saw enough in him to sign him before us.
So obviously he has something going for him.
He doesn’t have the complete package, which we can now see that he’s getting starts. But he obviously had something that other teams besides just our own saw as traits worthy as having him on as a backup.
And again, since you just walked away from the question – how are the Chiefs and their fans suffering any more for starting Palko vs PIT than trying to force Orton in 2 days after arriving in KC?
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Who said anything about Orton?
We have another QB on the roster too, ya know. One that has been on the team all season.
But please, save your energy using the same tired excuses for Haley’s bad personnel decisions. It’s all been overstated and still doesn’t excuse it, so there is no point in discussing it
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What excuses? Wow you're thick-headed.
I’ve probably criticized Haley more than I’ve supported him today.
I just don’t run around with a blind dimwitted agenda, pre-deciding that someone is awful so everything they do is awful.
I’ve made no excuses for the guy. I’m just not plugging my ears, sticking out my tongue and going, “NO HE SUCKS! LA LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”.
You’re going on the assumption that Stanzi can step in right now and be the greatest thing since sliced bread. So you’re assuming Haley is inept based on a completely made up assumption.
I’m going on the fact that we have no idea how ready Stanzi is. He could come in and light the world on fire (that would be awesome), or he may be nowhere near ready to set foot on the field at the pro level yet, and would be far better off having a full off season / training camp with a dedicated QB coach like Zorn.
I don’t know, so I don’t presume. I’d like to know what we have in Stanzi, but at the same time I understand that rushing him could be counterproductive – like the situation Gabbert is in.
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Correction
Gaither “may suffer from lapses in effort”
The only certainty I would stand by is Haley wouldn’t play Gaither IF Gaither was more talented than Barry and IF Gaither wasn’t giving max effort in practice like many report
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see that at all.
Unless “not giving max effort” equated to “not even trying at all” – in which case he shouldn’t be on the roster.
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If you see a player A's best in practice, just not consistently
And you see player B’s best in practice consistently, but isn’t on the same level of quality as player A’s best, when do you draw the line between the “right 53” and the “best 53”?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly the point you're ignoring with all of your absolutes.
It’s a balancing act. Drawing that line isn’t nearly as easy in real life as it is for armchair GM’s / HC’s here on a blog.
Finding where to draw that line (which can also vary from year to year depending on personnel available, contracts involved, position, and several other factors) – is one of the many things that cause NFL head coaches to get paid a lot more than I, and most other AP’ers.
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by TRSChief on Nov 29, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Every single one of them is light years ahead of every single personnel professional in the NFL as well.
Damn, this is like the world’s greatest football think-tank here. We should be getting paid for this shit!
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You aren't on the Chiefs payroll?
I got myself a gig with Mothership just this year, they needed an outside consultant. Would you like an invite? I hear they are looking for another candidate?
Sure, why not.
I’ll take nothing less than eleventy bazillionteen dollars / year – and I have to work from home.
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Calm down with the "all your absolutes" crap, like I'm spouting them non-stop in every which way
I have already stated the only certainty I have claimed is Haley would pick max effort over talent.
Maybe I’m wrong on this, but trust me, nothing you are saying is giving any proof against what I believe. Max effort has shown to trump talent on numerous occasions since the start of the Pioli/Haley era. There are times I don’t think it’s a terrible thing, like Pollard, Page, or DJ, but it can also be ill-advised at times too, and if you are in the business of not holding management accountable for their mistakes because it’s “isn’t nearly as easy in real life”, then please come be my boss
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fun times in fiction land?
When have I not held them accountable? I’ve called out Haley and Pioli both, more than once, just today here at AP.
But you just make up your mind about something you can’t really prove, when evidence and common sense show otherwise, then just spout it (your opinion) as it’s some kind of irrefutable fact.
Haley most certainly benched more talented players (DJ, Bowe) that were playing nowhere near their potential. Then they got motivated / coached up / pulled heads out of asses / whatever, and earned their starting spots back. That’s what he should do.
Pollard / Page both needed to go. Pollard was a liability, plain and simple. Page had alright skills but not great. He was a nice story for being a late round pick, but on his best days he was an average starting FS. Too much stupidity with the brother/agent situation, coach tampering and who-knows-what-else made keeping him around not an option.
Now list all the ill-advised times, with actual proof that it was a terrible idea? So far you’ve only listed instances that showed Haley made a good judgement in putting a talented player in the doghouse to get better performance out of them.
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Missing the point about Page and Pollard
They had their problems, but considering we rolled with Mike Brown and Jon Mcgraw in 2009, blatantly obvious effort over talent there.
In 2010, Thomas Jones over JC with amount of carries. Vrabel over Studebaker.
In 2011, Sabby over ANY other free agent safety. A bad playing Barry over Gaither (who was healthy enough to step in when needed, but maybe not permanently?) Palko over Stanzi (face it, how much worse could Stanzi possibly look in practice???) I think Amon Gordon has ben outplaying Dorsey thus far.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
JC got more touches overall than Jones. Slightly fewer rushes, far more receptions.
It was RB by platoon. Are you the only one still going on about this?
We let Pollard go because he was awful. Page went on IR in 2009. He was starting until after the 5th game when he got deactivated for his injury. Or did you forget that?
See that’s the kind of stuff that makes all this so laughable. “Dude, Haley started Brown and McGraw over Page and Pollard!” – someone else decides they don’t like Haley, and repeat that as well. Even though he started Page right up until the shoulder injury ended his season. And Pollard was released, because he was completely awful in coverage.
Brown at least had a track record of being a good safety. He was just too far past his prime and became a liability because of it.
Sabby was a 2nd round draft pick with really good measurables. Lots of talent, ten cent head. He was brought in to be a backup – which is what you want to do with athletically gifted guys who may just need some coaching up. If he doesn’t work out, not the end of the world – it was worth a shot. But he wasn’t supposed to be an immediate starter. A torn ACL changed that.
I agree, Gordon has outplayed Dorsey. Glenn has shown over the last few seasons he deserves to be a starter. But he’s beginning to regress this year and is possibly playing himself out of a starting role. But overreacting and sitting him too early could be a bad move. Sometimes people slump, then reestablish themselves. If he keeps getting outplayed, he should be replaced.
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Let alone besides the 2 INT game from STude he hasn't really shown much
Watch the games this year and watch teams run at him and find huge gains, but instead ‘’omg they suck cause I want STude’’
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that frustrates me with Studie.
I actually like the guy. But he just can’t seal the edge. I think he lets himself get too off-balanced trying to go outside the OT, and just lets himself get pushed back away from the edge when they go to run outside of him.
Houston finally showed some good examples of manhandling the other guy and just claiming the edge for himself this past weekend.
I hope that continues and wasn’t just a momentary flash.
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Houston did the same thing in the preseason
Very much outplayed STude, fans fell in love with STude after those 2 INT’s but overall he hasn’t been that great
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
But I think there have to be much more to it than just the one play, likely injuries and getting late enough in the season to start getting some rooks on the active roster.
But yeah, if this guy could lose his job for one false start and Barry Richardson can physically assault a coach and remain the starter, something is seriously ass backwards
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 29, 2011 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe another team wanted to work out Mims
And the Chiefs knew it was either cut Gaither or lose Mims.
Actually that could be a possibility
Good thought
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Another team can't work him out since he is on our PS...
they can sign him to there 53 man roster which requires that tean team to first notify the Chiefs which then allows the Chiefs to either promote him or let him go. In any case I think you are correct in that this is probably what happened.
well even oakland had issues signing the guy
he didnt really squash any of that once in KC with looking overweight, and not stepping up.
what a bummer
bit surprised that mims is a better option than gaither , who despite the penalty is a mammoth tackle I thought they trusted, oh well
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
i thought his problem was keeping on weight
if he started losing through the season and the staff wanted him to keep it on, could have been a factor.
This is just protecting Mims. Gaither was on a one year deal and the season is over. Gotta protect the guys you like and cut veterans whose contracts are expiring and won’t yield draft comp or who wont be franchised
by WURoyal on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Haley, If you want to save your job, first & foremost, stop Smoking CRACK!
Your personnel moves at this late date are out of desperation. You waited too long…look at what happened to Del Rio! With the big salary, I know you can purchase a razor. If you can’t act the part at least look the part…
by Slim with the Tilted Brim on Nov 29, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions
I think it's a rebuilding year. Even if we were able to go to the playoffs, could we even beat any of the other teams?
Let alone beat the NFC champs?
I've been a Chiefs fan since the team moved from Dallas...
It seems like every year since 1970 has been a rebuilding year.
by Slim with the Tilted Brim on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Erm, what?
I don’t know what you just said, but go get ’em!
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Pioli makes the personnel moves. That's why they call him the GM
Haley decides who starts and who sits. Gaithersburg has not impressed anyone and Mims has potential to be a monster. I dont see anything wrong with the move.
by paulredfish on Nov 29, 2011 1:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So did Mims development make Gaither expendable or was Gaither so bad that we have no other choice but to bring up Mims?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I hope Mims is just playing too well to leave him on the ps.
The skeptic in me says that was not the case.
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Ya. I tend to ask questions that have obvious answers
in the hope that maybe I’m wrong and we actually have talent somewhere in the depth of the depth chart.
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by GenericBrand on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
It kind of seems as if maybe Mims has just developed well
All the reports of him when he went undrafted were of how raw he was. Maybe he just progressed nicely and if now ready to be on the roster, and maybe started playing better than Gaither. That’s my take on it.
Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Nov 29, 2011 12:06 PM CST reply actions
Gaiter didn't practice much during the preseason
Combine that with his 1 play, 1 penalty night, and I have to wonder if he still wasn’t practicing much and was released to make a statement to the players. The coaching staff (mainly Haley and Muir) needs committed players if they have a chance to turn things around and save their jobs.
by Chatch McNasty on Nov 29, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions
So what does this do to McClain and Albert?
Now they’re just the two best friends that anyone could have.
The only reason people keep suggesting McDaniels is because people keep mentioning it.
It’s like a fart that lingers.
McD was a bad HC in DEN, and he’s a bad OC with STL. He’s obviously just a product of a guy that benefited from being on Belichick’s coaching staff. People need to drop it already.
In what way was he a bad HC?
He screwed up with Cutler & made some horrible personnel decisions for the Broncos, but I’m not so sure he was a bad coach in terms of devising a game plan. It’s quite possible that he will have learned from his mistakes and will end up being a very good HC.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Let's see...
There was the whole mini spy gate deal, the bizarro draft moves, the missing the playoffs after winning six straight, the Cutler deal, the Marshall deal, the Orton/Tebow deal, and what was his record as their HC? Like 10-20 something, right?
And his offensive gameplan in St. Louis still sucks.
Just say no to McDaniels.
I have been saying that since week 3
Keeps me up at night thinking about it
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think Maneri has a lot of upside
He needs to add more bulk, but don’t forget Jason Peters and Brian Waters came in as Tight ends as well
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions
Yeah if the footwork is there, he probably has the frame to add some more weight.
Still gotta keep churning the woodpile in the meantime though.
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so for a big guy like that...
Will he be competing for the RT spot?
by Mitul V. Patel on Nov 29, 2011 12:43 PM CST reply actions
Ultimately
I would like to see the Chiefs get a franchise LT and move Albert to the right side.Maybe,Mims or Maneri can be that LT
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
It would be nice. Albert run blocks really well usually. Especially at the second level.
But we’re in dire need of a franchise QB. And franchise LT’s usually go as high in the draft as franchise QB’s.
This year we’ll have to take one or the other. And if we don’t get a QB, there may be a riot.
Who knows? Maybe we’ll somehow end up with two high first round picks and get both.
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Next year also has a hell of a LT class I believe
We could get the QB this year, possibly a mid round RT and try to sure up the line until we have chance at a franchise LT as well
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 29, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
good thought
or, (being super-optimistic) maybe, just maybe, Mims develops into a starter at RT for 2012 and the Chiefs just need to draft a LG
Albert-rookie-Hudson-Asamoah-Mims ?
It's putting a lot of eggs into the Mims basket though.
I think you still have to draft a solid OT prospect rather than pinning everything on a UDFA with physical gifts but a total lack of technique.
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Maneri and Mims. Two superheroes
Once again though, the AP faithful come through with wild speculation, and instead of putting the blame on the player, it must be that maniacal ego-driven SOB Haley. Nvm that Pioli makes the final call on personnel.
by Steve_in_RI on Nov 29, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Nvm that Pioli makes the final call on personnel.
I’ve given up trying to use that reasoning.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Yeah, it's pretty entertaining with the crazy conspiracy nuttery that goes on, though.
So at least it makes the day go by a little quicker to have something to chuckle at.
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Get him some game time and see what he's got
I know there has been hope around AP that Gaither would regain his previous form and take over for BRich (or even Albert). The thing is, Gaither hasn’t been able to beat BRich for the starting gig and hasn’t looked all that great in games. If our season is over (I know Haley says otherwise, but come on) we should look to get some young players in there and see what they’ve got. I doubt it’s a coincidence that the Chiefs promoted Mims with 5 games left in the season, since that would still make him PS eligible for next year. If he had been on the active roster for 6 games, I don’t think he would qualify for the PS again next year.
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