Chiefs, Jared Gaither Part Ways
by Joel Thorman on Nov 29, 2011 7:28 AM CST
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The Kansas City Chiefs have waived OT Jared Gaither, according to a report from Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk. Gaither, who was with the Baltimore Ravens last year, signed with the Chiefs in August. I'm not sure why the Chiefs would decide to cut him in late November but the timing is interesting, to say the least.
As PFT points out, on Sunday night OT Brandon Albert went down with a minor injury and he was briefly replaced by Gaither, who upon entering the game promptly committed a false start penalty before a play could be run. (This was the Tyler Palko to Dwayne Bowe non-catch play.) I've got no idea if that contributed to his release but Gaither hasn't done much of anything else on the field.
Before he signed with KC, he was nearly signed by the Oakland Raiders, who said he wasn't healthy. Gaither and his camp, meanwhile, have maintained he's healthy.
Gaither was originally a 2007 fifth round pick in the supplemental draft. It looked like he was headed towards becoming a long-time starter in Baltimore but back problems derailed his season. He played sparingly for KC in the few months he was here.
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OT will be first round draft pick
just watch.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
two words: Derek Sherrod ...
oh, wait … never mind (angelic smile)
seriously though, I was one of few who was questioning the whole Gaither thing from day one (is it too late to get Brian Waters back?) while almost everryone else was going on and on about how he’d be the “difference maker” on the OLine
so much for that, huh … and have to say it doesn’t add to the “Scott Pioli Mystique” either … welcome to the REAL world of the NFL, people
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He was signed near the league minimum, low risk move
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
low risk and obviously low reward
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then whats the problem?
gotta take a flyer on guys from time to time. seemed to me his “upside” was worth bringing him in and seeing if he can make a difference.
no problem ...
just was funny at the time when millions in Chiefs Nation thought the guy was gonna be the OLine Savior …
… worse in my never-so-humble-opinion was dumping Waters
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Nah, mostly NM thought Gaither was going to be the OT savior.
Everyone else just said, “Man, I hope he can return to what he used to be. That’d be awesome.”
And realized that a guy with a bad back injury (especially at his size) signed really cheap on a one year deal (who was also considered not healthy enough to play when trying out for the Raiders just the previous week) had a good chance of not panning out.
But the low investment (short contract, backup roster spot) was well worth the potential reward if he did pan out.
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Two Pioli free agents I've liked
Gaither and Piscatelli
Piscatelli was an athletic second rounder playing in the wrong system (he was always too slow for the Tampa 2) he could’ve been a decent backup to Berry at that freelancing SS position that Crennel likes to play close to the line.
Gaither had shown flashes of pro bowl level play. If he got healthy and with Haley running a pretty tight ship he may have been a franchise LT acquired for peanuts.
Neither worked out, but if you keep trying guys like that out year-after-year you’ll eventually strike gold.
Eh, Sabby's measurables were actually his selling point.
He ran a 4.44, he wasn’t really too slow for the Tampa 2.
He’s also a pretty good size (6’3" / 225lb) and pretty strong.
It’s just the mental part that busted his 2nd round draft status. Tendency to take bad angles and bite hard on play fakes.
If he can ever get the mental part down, he’ll be a pretty good SS. But, look at the guy. His nickname is Jersey Shore for a reason. I hope he can put it together, and he shows flashes of competence. But I’m not going to hold my breath either.
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Trying too hard again, ups
What does a backup OT have to do with Waters?
From a completely detached / objective strategic point of view – do you honestly think taking a flier on a guy that was as good as Gaither was a couple years ago wasn’t worth trying? For a one year deal for dirt cheap, if there was any chance at all he could have returned to even 85% of his previous form, it would’ve been the steal of the century. And if not, nothing of value was lost.
How is that such a terrible thing?
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see above, TRS.. it wasn't a horrible move in and of itself, but the guy DID take up a roster spot that could have (should have?) gone to someone who could help the team (ie, #54)
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Waters did look to be declining last season though
and don’t give me that Pro Bowl crap, because I’ll throw Matt Cassel back in your face ;)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
please do not throw Matt Cassel at me ... he's already hurt and that might inflict further damage on his already bruised psyche
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by upamtn on Nov 29, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well by that line of reasoning, anyone on the roster who isn't an all pro is wasting a roster spot.
Gaither was previously a starter for a great team. He played at a near all pro level when he was. His health was a concern, but the front office took a gamble that he could heal up and return to previous form, or at least close to it.
That’s worth a roster spot if the medical staff clears him. Especially given our OT situation the last couple years. Very well worth the one year flier.
Hindsight is fantastic and all, and if we knew in August that he’d be waived at the end of November, he wouldn’t have been signed. And with that fantastic ability, I’d have won every powerball and megamillions drawing from the last 5 years.
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You're assuming Waters wanted to stay
The Chiefs called it a mutual decision, but that doesn’t make it so….Pioli isn’t really in the business of letting talent go, and after all, he was going to bring Vrabel back, but he retired….and oh yes, that older John McGraw fellow is still on the team as well.
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by chief Stevie_k on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Waters also publicly called it a mutual decision.
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Losing Waters hasn't hurt us.
Asamoah needed to play and he wasn’t going to with Waters. I hate the move cuz at least with Gaither there seemed like the posibility of a franchise LT. Wonder if it was health or attitude.
A lot of people thought Gaither was going to come back as a starter next year....
I’m guessing that’s the rationalization. That coupled with Richardson needing to be replaced.
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by chief Stevie_k on Nov 29, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
That would be nice
but would rather see a qb….. RG3!! Besides, we need a RT, Did you see James Harrison’s stat line from that game? Albert dominated.
Yeah BRich got owned pretty hard by the PIT defense.
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BRich gets owned by every defense. That man couldn't stop a breeze.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
He had a couple of good games this year.
Too bad we’ve played 11.
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so, do we dump TJ and Palko and while we're at it Baldwin hasn't done much either, nor has ...
see, the list goes on and on and on
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Huh? Not following you in this line of discussion at all.
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Yeah, I don't follow that one at all
But I do agree that TJ and Palko haven’t done much and at the end of the year they should be dumped. TJ has shown more of late but not much more. Palko has proven he isn’t a QB in this league. BRich is probably a good backup but shouldn’t be a starter.
TJ, Palko, BRich are all areas that need serious upgrading.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Yeah Jones is a free agent after this year. There's no way they re-sign him.
Palko is likely done as well. I think Stanzi gets bumped up to Palko’s spot after developing for a year.
Unless we draft QB high and keep Cassel or Orton as a starter pro tempore to get the rookie up to speed. In that case, Stanzi may get the short straw and be stuck 3rd string again.
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Baldwin hasnt done much my ass
He’s played well for a rookie. You obviously haven’t seen rookie stats from WR. Only few have had big years as a rookie (Dwayne Bowe ) is one.
by chiefnation on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's having a typical year for a rookie WR from the naked eye without looking at stats
VERY few rookie WR have put up good numbers.
You want to continue the conversation I will look up stats on T.O. , Ochocinco, Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Wes Welker, ect.
Not to be argumentative, but ...
That man couldn’t stop a breeze.
What man could?
Only guy I’m aware of who’s ever controlled the wind and the waves was something of a unique, once-in-history sort of thing.
David Mims could stop a breeze :)
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting. So do we just bump Maneri to swing tackle and hope for the best?
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That was pathetic...
He plays one down, ans finds a way to get a false start…. He won’t be missed…
How's Jamaal doing anyways?
Agreed
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by Chris Thorman on Nov 29, 2011 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
yeah but look at it this way: he has a "perfect record" with the team
1 play, 1 penalty …
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ha!
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Was just thinking... who are the backup tackles?
by Chiefsfansince85 on Nov 29, 2011 7:35 AM CST reply actions
Well...
Steve Maneri and Jared Gaither.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Keary Colbert
calling it now
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
We already bumped up Horne the last time though.
Not sure that we’d keep both Horne and Colbert.
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I'm not sure
of anything at this point.
I don’t think your logic is welcome at Arrowhead drive
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 29, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
As terrifyingly shaky as he was in the pre-season, they may promote Mims to the active roster.
Maybe he’s been progressing with work through the season.
Or maybe they’re going to just wing it like when O’Callaghan was starting at RT and BRich was just the swing / backup for both RT and LT, and promote another position?
With us really having no shot at the playoffs, it may just be a matter of bringing up someone they want a closer look at, at this point.
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you mean like actually finding out what Stanzi can do?
nope, not gonna happen …
what did Pioli draft the guy for, anyway? if he’s so bad that he’s still not ready to “the show” why waste the draft pick? and if he was good enough for the pick then why not run him out there?
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I think Pioli/Haley decided they were going to red shirt Stanzi this year regardless
I don’t think Stanzi not playing has anything to do with his talent level compared to Palko
Now ups you know as well as anyone else here that a 5th round pick that doesn't get to start isn't exactly a wasted pick.
That’s just being a little silly.
I do agree that I want to see Stanzi. But if he’s not ready, he’s not ready. If the committee of Zorn / Muir / Haley don’t think he’s ready to have his shot yet, do you think you honestly know better? I know you’re always trying to take a stance of humility, why stray from it in this matter?
I think the kid has great mechanics and a really nice looking release. He did play in a pro style offense at Iowa which is a huge help on the mental side of things. But I don’t get to see the practices every week. I have no idea how he’s progressing, if he’s progressing at all. Or even if he’s regressing.
With the problems the team is having now, potentially putting Haley’s career at risk – do you honestly think he wouldn’t try the kid if he thought he was ready to shoulder the burden yet?
If you do think so – what rationale can you provide?
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will you please stop being so damned logical ...
you’re sounding like MNchiefsfan … or Mr Spock
ok, my rationale at this point: if Stanzi DOES have potential and has ANYTHING that looks good, then tossing him out on the field can only accelerate his development by giving him “real world” practice time … it’s not a matter of “winning games” right now, it’s a matter of development of personnel for the long-term future (if Stanzi DOES have whatever it takes, then maybe we DON’T have to draft a QB in first round next year … see my point?)
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But that's a broad stroke generalization. There's way more to QB readiness than that.
Maybe he’s at a point where they’re still not happy with his footwork, and they want him thinking about his footwork first and foremost. If it’s been progressing, but needs work still – you plug him into a game, now he’s worrying about timing, routes, hot reads, reading the defense – is it man, or zone with a man look? Is that an overload blitz? – meanwhile, he’s not thinking about his footwork but it hasn’t yet become second nature / pure muscle memory yet and it regresses as a result. Now he’s set back, maybe a lot.
And that’s just one possible scenario of a nearly endless sea of them.
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So you're saying they are purposely trashing Cassel and Palko so Stanzi has more time to develop?
Cuz there is no way Palko is even close to having footwork and all that jazz down to perfection…..
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by chief Stevie_k on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Trashing Cassel? Huh?
Palko can’t possibly be on the radar for starter of the future. He’s not a developmental guy. He’s a clipboard holder who is supposed to come in and hopefully not turn it over 4 times in a game if the starting QB gets injured (oopsie!)
Palko is not developmental. Stanzi is. Very different roles.
Palko is also 28. Cassel is 30. Stanzi is the first QB this regime has drafted. You develop QB draft picks. Hopefully you don’t have to develop FA acquisitions other than some minor polishing.
I’m not entirely sure what you were getting at?
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Cassel and Palko still have a lot of developing to do.
That’s my point. Neither is or was close to being a good starter. Cassel still has a lot of work to do….
I just don’t buy that there is much for Stanzi to work on to get to play. He’s already better than both. He’s just lacking NFL experience….but he has to play to get it.
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by chief Stevie_k on Nov 29, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Then that's a bad analogy.
Cassel and Palko have already hit their (admittedly low) ceilings. There’s nothing to trash. They are all they’re going to be.
Stanzi isn’t yet what he will be, with some good development. He’s still young and straight out of college.
Kind of a bad comparison.
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Why not?
He’s 28.
In my unprofessional opinion his footwork looks a lot less clunky than Cassel’s…
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
His footwork actually looks okay.
His decision making is bad (always possible to remedy with experience and film study).
But his arm isn’t any good at all. Nor his accuracy. That may not be fixable.
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Agreed.
His arm won’t cut it. Didn’t take two whole games for me to figure that one out.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 29, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
You can limp by with the guy for a game or two on that arm
With short routes, trickery, motion into wildcat and some smoke and mirrors. But it’s not something you pin the future on.
And I don’t think anyone here believe the Chiefs were looking at pinning the future on Tyler Palko.
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Stanzi
didn’t have the luxuries of OTA’s either. He got the playbook in July as opposed to April.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Accelerate his development
Oh yeah , like Blaine Gabbert in Jacksonville. boy that’s really working out well.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Do you think Gabbert is worse off for playing?
Personally I doubt it.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Just joking by the way
You make good points often
Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 29, 2011 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
Heh yeah I get you.
Except for that part about me making good points, well, ever. Guilt by association, H2DC. Say something positive about TRSChief, and Big Brother will have the g-men stealing you and your family away in the middle of the night, never to be heard from again.
You can’t be seen here. I’ve said too much already.
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"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Talk about a one hit wonder
Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 29, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
People must not have paid attention....
He clearly explained why he was hot. I don’t see what the misunderstanding was.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 29, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hahaha!
Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 29, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I was always a little confused on that point.
Was it because he’s fly?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Precisely.
And you ain’t cuz you’re not… simple.
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Nov 29, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm doesn't make much sense.
He was a young developmental player, I can’t really see why they cut him. Coming of the bench and getting a false start is ridiculous, but we have starters that have put us in worse positions with there inability to control themselves on the line. This move seems to have underlining factors.
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Nov 29, 2011 7:45 AM CST reply actions
Yeah, like maybe his back is still kind of awful and they don't see him being healthy enough to bother with?
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But Barry Richardson is still on the Chiefs, riddle me that?!
by MrAustin.Sr on Nov 29, 2011 7:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Richardson is playing on a Restricted Free Agent Tender right?
So he won’t be signed to a deal in the offseason, they’ll just part ways…….I hope.
That leaves us with Albert, Maneri, ??? and ???
As inconsistent as BRich is – that makes a bad situation worse, depending on how they address the position in draft / FA.
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I don't think they'd let him walk
if they didn’t address other options via draft/free agency
David Mims will slap the hate right out of you...
Just as soon as he figures out how to move his feet at the pro level.
"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."
-Bill Muir
by go_saleaumua on Nov 29, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll love it if that guy can learn, some..any technique at all fit for the pro level.
Guy is a freakin mountain. If he gets footwork / handwork to go with that size, it’d be pretty impressive.
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Hopefully he finishes the year on jayvee, and gets a long, hard offseason of work with coach Muir.
I’m suspicious of Muir’s playcalling, or at least the amount of playcalls that Haley lets him have, but the man can turn chicken shit into chicken salad on the line. Looking at his career, he’s done it about everywhere….
"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."
-Bill Muir
by go_saleaumua on Nov 29, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah hopefully we keep Muir as O Line coach
And find a legitimate OC this off season.
He got a lot of value out of a retreaded Lilja and Wiegmann.
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I could see Muir stepping down and Zorn becoming the OC/QB coach
At least there would be some continuity from this year to the next. Then again, why would we want that.
Eh, I'd rather keep a dedicated QB coach and a separate OC.
QB play is a huge area of deficiency for us for…well almost ever. I think if we want to do it right, we draft a franchise QBOTF and develop him with a dedicated Jim Zorn tied to his hip.
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Just weird timing
You would have thought they’d keep him until next season at least to try at RT.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 8:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Makes me wonder if his back injury didn't leave some lasting effects.
“He’s recovered, but not what he used to be” kind of deal.
Also, Steve Maneri is obviously our next tackle of the future :)
"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."
-Bill Muir
by go_saleaumua on Nov 29, 2011 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
Either that or Haley is blaming him for the loss
I wasn’t really surprised when he came in for a penalty and left. I hope Oakland or Denver doesn’t pick him up and he suddenly becomes elite.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 8:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Right. Because Haley is going to blame a loss to PIT on one false start penalty.
With an offense that netted 252 total yards with 0 TD’s and 4 turnovers. Plus we all know Haley’s tendency to throw a single player under the bus.
Totally.
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I don't mean entirely, obviously
But we were moving the ball fairly well before the penalty. More of a scapegoat I guess.
He wasn’t contributing much to the team and when he finally got in he screwed up our tempo. It doesn’t surprise me to see Haley pissed off.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 8:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
if Haley was the kind to scapegoat players then he'd have gotten rid of Cassel, Palko and a ton of other players long, long ago
wait, that’s not such a bad idea …
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Yeah but he seems to like cassel and Palko
Maybe gaither was forced on him. Don’t judge me, I’ve been up since 2 trying to get back to Cali from my first game at arrowhead. I’m still recovering lol
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 8:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Heh nice, hope it was a good trip despite the final outcome.
I’ve heard mixed reports about Gaither’s work ethic from his time at Baltimore. Between the injury (which I’m still not convinced he’s remotely recovered from) and possible bouts of the “I don’t wanna’s” – I can see Haley possibly just having enough.
Hard to say since I’m not privy to the locker room side of things. But if there’s any truth to that kind of personality from Gaither – unless he showed amazing ability and a return to his previous form, it seems he’d be destined to wash out.
Again, it was worth taking a look at him on a cheap one year deal. But it’s probably just more of a case of it not working out than scapegoating, imo.
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Amazing game first time at arrowhead
Obviously wish we would have won but it is what it is. And yeah he did seem destined to wash out, I’m sure Baltimore would have held onto him if they felt like he could get outta his funk. Wishful thinking by us here in KC but it as a longshot either way.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
first Arrowhead game? awesome! sorry it didn't go the other way, but hey ... you got one in :-)
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I made it to the Mecca
And we stayed competitive. I’m leaving happy.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Gaither was the one that told Haley to kick a fieldgoal down 7.
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If he gets promoted it certainly could be a possibility,
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well crap
I was TOTALLY wrong on that one.
Welcome to KC, Mr Reiff
by stagdsp on Nov 29, 2011 8:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
what is up with these roster musical chairs
And this was 1 of the free agents I heard people give Pioli praise for
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:06 AM CST reply actions
Really?
Up Pioli’s ass for taking a cheap flier on a low risk / high potential reward FA signing?
If I could filter out all the unbridled Pioli hate from your posts, there’d be nothing left. It may be time for therapy.
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I'm just saying whenever I bash the guy Gaither is always a guy people bring up to defend him
‘’Well Gaither was a good signing’‘. Low risk or not,he signed a guy with back problems and he barely played.Now the guy is released.I guess I shouldn’t be suprised by that,it is just another roster mistake Pioli has made
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
It's a shame. Really a case of wasted potential.
You, I mean. You seem very passionate about the Chiefs and seem to have at least a reasonable level of football knowledge. It just goes to waste beating the same drum day in and day out when you could in all likelihood actually be contributing something useful and even occasionally constructive to any conversation.
Have fun just repeating your mantra though, I guess.
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I try to bring facts to the table ,sorry if you don't like it
People think anyone associated with the Patriots is almost infalable.Well,did ever occur to you the guy got lucky and got a franchise qb in the 6th round?Did it ever occur to you that there was talent on this team when this regime took over?Have you looked at Piolis 06-08 drafts with the Pats?Tom Brady has covered up a lot of stink with that franchise over the years.As far as Haley goes,you do realize if he doesn’t win another game this year ,then he is only 3 games better than Herm was?All I try to be is consistent ,while other people make excuses for this administration.People ripped Herm/Peterson for the same mediocrity that they support Pioli /Haley for.I just don’t get it
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
Herm took a good team and in two years made it 2-14.
Pioli/haley took a 2-14 and in 2 years were 10-6. The last two drafts have been great (not many drafts do most of your guys find starting jobs like the 2010).
ok
Herm took over an aging o line,A mess at QB and the worst defense in the league.I wouldn’t say it was great.As far as his last 2 drafts go,2011 is to early to judge.But,who is really making an impact?
Baldwin- we have seen the inconsistent hands and maturity issues that dogged him at Pitt.Like Bowe ,makes the spectacular catch and drops 2 easy one’s right in his hands.
Hudson-might be the c of the future who knows
Houston -starts but 0 impact
Bailey – 0 impact
Brown- barely sees the field
Miller – on IR,yet another injury prone player on the roster
Stanzi- can’t even beat out Tyler Palco as number 2 qb
Powe – can’t get activated
Shane Bannon- on and off the practice squad
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Can't judge a draft that just happened
Usually wait a couple years to get the full picture of it
by KCinIL on Nov 29, 2011 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hudson, Houston and Baldwin are all playing well for being rookies.
Keep in mind the learning curve was extra steep this year without O.T.A.s and conditioning.
Baldwin’s fight is a ding against him, but if you can’t see that we have 3 promising starters from the first three rounds of the 2011 draft than I think you’re crazy.
by Aesthetist on Nov 29, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I see nothing in Houston
Whats the learning curve?Hey you rush the passer,you know the guy with the ball in his hand
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe for a WOLB
But for a SOLB there are a ton more responsibilities. That’s why Vrabel was so good in his prime. He was a capable-but-not-great pass rusher. But did all of the bazillion other things that’s demanded of that position.
Too bad we ended up with him well past his prime.
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I never liked him over there
But Hali isn’t going to drop into coverage thank god.That is why I hate the 3-4 ,to much nuance,to many guys playing out of position from there collrge days
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Hardest part about keeping the 3-4 going now is that so many NFL teams have switched over to it
That finding the right personnel for it now is much harder. And it does take pretty specialized personnel.
Especially with a front 3 that are required to have 2-gap assignments instead of using penetrating linemen. Once you can get the right guys in place it’s great.
But getting those guys is the real challenge with so many teams using different versions of the 3-4 now. When it was the exception to the rule it was fantastic. Now that it’s the norm, it’s getting much harder to pull off.
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I want that 4-3 the Ravens had and the Bears of 06 had
2 rush ends ,2 mammoth dt’s .Versitile OLB’s
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
That used to be the norm, which made it hard to get personnel for it
Which is why the cutting-edge teams made themselves a minority by switching to the 3-4.
Once they had so much success with it, half the league followed and also switched.
Now it’s getting back to the point where good 4-3 personnel are easier to find.
Crazy cycle, that. Have to be the leaders and not the followers in this league.
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I dont remeber the 2 really big dt's though
Usually it was those tampa 2 type penatrating types in the middle
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
While we're on the Ravens of 06
Can we import the 2006 version of Ray Lewis and Ed Reed to the Chiefs?
I’d squeal like a little girl.
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Ya his name is Luke Kuckley and he plays for BC
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
hogwash!
Herm inherited a team that was ready for the geriatric center and managed to squeeze a playoff out of that group (2006) despite MAJOR injuries and having only one reliable option on offense (TonyG) …
he was then prevented by King Carl from bringing in young talent (for a second consecutive year in 2007) because Carl desperately wanted to win a Super Bowl for Lamar (good intentions to be sure) and mistakenly thought the team had one last run left
it wasn’t until Lamar passed away and Herm had a chat with Clark Hunt that he (Herm) was allowed (by Clark, over the protests of King Carl) to start the badly-needed rebuild of the team … a rebuild that brought us the best draft in many years (2008) and formed the nucleus of this team
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just couldn't get production outta his players
For whatever reason. That whole benching the hot hand(huard) for Trent coming off a scary injury in the playoffs is my memory of him. Great scout/DBS coach, bad head coach.
by KCinIL on Nov 29, 2011 8:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
couldn't get production?
Damon Huard and the rest of the team making the playoffs in 2006 … that IS production
furthermore, he recognized his own shortcomings and hired Chan Gailey to run the Offense, one of the best hires ever in Chiefs history (summarily undone by Haley)
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But then
Also made Gun run his defensive gameplan through Herms sceme, which was dead from the get-go. I’m questioning Haley in the same way I used to question Herm, so I get everything you guys are saying. But Herm was bad. Timeouts were terrible, in-game situations were terrible, he just seemed like he couldn’t handle all 3 aspects of the game. And it was more SF beating Denver in OT and a couple other teams losing to get us in the playoffs, so I don’t really put it on Herm getting us there. And when we got there he made the worst decesion of the season. I just think HC was too much for him. Maybe Haleys the same way, I’m not sure yet. But it’s starting to have some scary similarities.
Haley and Herm are both bad at game management
That is my point ,they are the same guy
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Scary if that turns out to be the case
I think Pioli’s still good. Some picks great, some picks shit happens. Brings in key talent last year, let some of it go this year, some out of his control some just had to be his decesion. I just trust the “big picture” with him leading it. Let the Kirk Ferentz rumors stir up again. Watch that happen if they do decide Haley has to go.
I heard he wants McDaniels as HC
If that is the case I will explode.IF people think I hate on the guy now,look out
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
If we bring in McD as HC, I'll take a dump in Pioli's Cheerios as well
As OC, I might be okay with that. But never as HC. And extra-never in any role that has a say in personnel decisions.
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I don't even know about oc
Bradford has regressed this year under his tutelage
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, which is why I *might* be okay with it.
STL is an odd situation for sure. Not sure how much is on McD, how much is on the QB coach, and how much (accountability and all) is on Bradford.
Just when that team looks like they’re making strides forward, they find ways to implode at the thing they’re supposed to be good at. It’s odd.
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Does Bradford have anyone to throw to?
McDaniels made Cassel and Orton look good. That’s good enough for me.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Brandon Loyd
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
It's the 2010 Matt Cassel syndrome
Once people figure out to bracket Bowe, he has no one else to throw to.
Or for Bradford, bracket Lloyd and force him to throw to…who…after Denario Alexander I had to look up the other WR’s.
Brandon Gibson. Austin Pettis. Dominique Curry?
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For the record, I still don't hate Herm.
Actually like the guy. Just not as a head coach. As a coordinator or personnel guy, I think he’d still be doing really well. Just not the personality type to be able to reign in athletes and their egos very well.
Really nice guy, though.
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mmmmm yeah ... we saw how well Haley reigned in Baldwin this year (angelic smile)
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No such thing as a perfect record (who ever claimed there was?)
Not to mention Baldwin’s been doing everything right since his boneheaded scuffle. He’s looked good on the field, and stayed out of trouble off of it. That sounds pretty competent.
Plus we weren’t at all talking about Haley – we were talking about Herm. So also, bad strawman there. Bad ups. Bad! No dessert for you tonight!
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So much talent
How many division titles did they win again? What was herms final record? How many probowl players did we have?
Herms time here was terrible, and the only positive thing out of it was that Carl went with him. They brought some great players and memories with them, but it was time for them to go. At least the chiefs are staying competitive. I’d be willing to bet if our impact players weren’t all in rehab right now you’d be singing a completely different tune.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 8:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Competitive except for the blowouts.
That stuff has to stop ASAP.
I love that we hung in there vs PIT, and that the defense showed some intestinal fortitude. But the blowout tendency has to remedied or something major will have to change.
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I mean in general
But yeah they do. Id be okay if it was garbage time and our rookies were playing but they aren’t. It just looks like the team gives up, as well as the play calling.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 29, 2011 8:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
SoCal, by that reasoning Haley's record after 3 years isn't much better than that of Herm's and thus should be fired at the end of the season
Herm brought us some of the best players we have on the roster right now … and we’d likely have even more from Herm had King Carl not been so delusional about the team needing a rebuild (it did need just that, and Herm recognized it when he got here in 2006 but Carl wouldn’t allow it, instead thinking that the “window of opportunity” was still open for an aging team)
stop already with the misplaced and totally mistaken notion that Herm was some horrible coach and/or ruined some perfectly good team …
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See, the obnoxious condescension with all the "did it ever occur to you" crap
You think I, or many other AP’ers, don’t realize that anytime anyone gets a once in a generation QB in any round of the draft, much less a late one, it’s a stroke of luck of epic proportions? It takes a good eye to see the potential. But there are hundreds of QB’s in any decade with potential. It’s blind luck to get one to turn out to be Tom Freakin Brady.
There had better have been some talent on the team when Pioli took over. It’s a pro sports team. Even the worst pros have some talent. By sheer weight of numbers you can’t help but have at least some talent on a pro sports team, regardless of your level of incompetence.
I’ve looked at every one of Pioli’s drafts with the Pats. Some we were really good. Some were pretty meh. They average out to pretty good / above average over all. They draft very well for their schemes, and Belichick is an amazing coach. That always helps anyone.
You’re irrational to the point that you refuse to see anything good that the guy does. You just plug your ears, close your eyes and scream, “LA LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”
Pioli has made some bad moves. He’s made some good moves. He’s made some average moves. I’m not going to praise the guy when he makes a headscratcher of a move that doesn’t work. I’m going to question it. But I’m not going to crawl up his ass when he makes a logical move like the Gaither signing and it doesn’t pan out.
If you seriously look at taking a flier on a dirt cheap OT with the potential to return to greatness (that he’d already demonstrated) if he can come back from an injury as being a black mark for a GM – you’ve gone beyond the realm of being able to look at anything objectively and rationally, and just fallen into the realm of mindless ranting. And that’s a shame, because I think you could bring a lot to a discussion if you were remotely serious about looking at things without a near evangelical anti-Pioli bias.
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kaching! the guy is human, he makes mistakes ...
Pioli has made some bad moves. He’s made some good moves. He’s made some average moves
totally agree, TRS … I don’t “hate” Pioli, just never bought into all the hype and the “In Pioli We Trust” garbage …
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I was just happy we got someone who is competent (note that competent =/= genuis of all time), and who was not King Carl.
20 years of Peterson was enough for me to see that change was needed. As much fun as the Martyball era was, we were in desperate need of a change at GM.
And Pioli was one of the best available at the time. Still glad we made the move, just to try something different if nothing else.
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fair 'nuff ... though I still wish he'd have kept Herm (and Chan) to continue the rebuild that Herm had started a year before (2008)
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I liked Herm, as I've said before.
Just not as a head coach. I think that was one level higher than he should’ve been.
I also like Haley. I hope he can right the ship, but it’s looking like he may not be able to. It may be the same case for him. Don’t know.
I would like to still have Gailey, though. (Or Weis. Just not HC/OC Haley or Muir). I just don’t think Gailey meshed well with the idea of a reigned in E-P style offense.
And that may be as much on Pioli as Haley, as I know Pioli wanted to bring over the E-P for offense and the 2-gap 3-4 for defense, from NE. Not that that’s good or bad, just a wrong fit for Gailey.
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TRS
I’m going to butt into this conversaion, but don’t feel like I’m directing my comments specifically to you.
I think there are several people on this board who have developed the “KU Syndrome”. This malady occurs when you hire a football coach/GM and give him 3 years or less to turn a shitty football team into a (Super) Bowl caliber team.
We just played one of the great franchises (Steelers) of the last 30 years. I will postulate that the main reason for their success is the continuity of their FO and coaching staff.
In my opinion, everyone calling for Haley and/or Pioli’s head just needs to STFU.
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by ChiefWildcat on Nov 29, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I'm not calling for Haley's head. Hence the "I don't know" bit .
I hope he can turn it around. A rebuild is a tough, ugly thing to go through. Though I never had the feeling that Herm could turn it around. With Haley, I’m just unsure.
I went from pretty sure, to unsure. But I certainly don’t want his head on a plate. I want to see what he can do next year with our missing pieces back from their injuries (and hopefully a long term answer at OC instead of Muir as a stopgap).
But I definitely agree, people kneejerk overreact to just about everything week to week, day to day. Win a game and we’re shoo-ins for the Super Bowl. Lose one and it’s time to set Arrowhead on fire and move the team to London or something, killing the entire staff, their families, and their neighbors just to remove the devil’s taint from the land.
(huhuhuhuh, I said “devil’s taint”)
It’s a good thing those hyper emotional overreactions are done by people in the blogosphere than in any position to do anything with a real impact on the team.
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Nice
well said.
The one area I have a problem with Haley is the whole OC carousel. He needs to find one he can work with and start to build continuity within the coaching staff.
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by ChiefWildcat on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I think he pinned a lot on Weis being able to stick around
And when he left to go to FLA with his son, that threw a monkeywrench into things. Couple that with the lockout / shortened off season directly after and it made a very awkward situation for the offense coming into this year.
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Nice
well said.
The one area I have a problem with Haley is the whole OC carousel. He needs to find one he can work with and start to build continuity within the coaching staff.
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by ChiefWildcat on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I try to bring perspective
I am GLAD Herm was fired.I am GLAD Peterson is gone.Frankly,I wanted him gone after the 2000 season.Good riddance to bad rubbish.I just see the same mistakes being made by this regime and I call them out on it. And by the looks of things,i’m 1 of the few on here that do. The bottom line,truth be told,fact is,there was talent on this team when Pioli arrived .32 players still on an NFL roster to be exact. This team SHOULD, SHOULD be better than it is.
I will defend Herm on this issue,the talent he got from Vermeil was vastly overrated.An aging O-line/skill players.The worst defense in all of football and a disaster at qb.Herm had to rebuild this team that Vermeil gave him.Under the circumstances ,I think he did a pretty good job
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Herm was dealth a shitty hand.
But I don’t think he did a very good job as a head coach. He did good at bringing in some young talent, and I’d love to have the guy on board as a director of personnel or something (though I’m sure he makes WAY more as a talking head).
And no, you’re just one of many who continually harp on Pioli. That’s why it gets so old. It’s the same message, usually being said in one of only a handful of ways, that gets repeated over and over and over and over and over and over – and really brings nothing new, insightful or even interesting to the table.
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Dealth? Dealt.
Me TRSChief, me vocabularize good.
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people forget how tough that 08 schedule was
They played 12 teams .500 or better.And they played them with the youngest roster in the league and a disaster at qb.I doubt anyone could have done much better.Still,they were competitive in 9 of there losses.I actually think he did a decent job that year given the circumstances.Haley at least has had stability at qb while he has been here.I am not trying to defend Herm ,but I don’t think he was as bad as people say/remember
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
i Agree
He had a was trying to start from scratch and was given a year maybe two to do it. that wasn’t fair. He may not have been an X and O’s genius but he did have an eye for talent.
The problem with Herm is that he stopped caring
I remember him saying after he was released that he was happy to be getting away from the long days that a coach has to spend in game preparations. Sounded to me like he was burned out & didn’t want to coach any more.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
No, people don't think that, saints. You are in the habit of assuming everyone else's conclusions.
See: Stanzi posts, Pioli attacks, etc.
Most of us on here respect Pioli’s role in helping the Patriots. But we ALL feel he has not done nearly enough to help this team. Criticism is warranted for some things he’s done…but not everything he’s done.
Herm/Peterson: The difference is, Carl Peterson has twenty years to build this team up. Twenty Years. Pioli has had three. Mistakes granted (and he’s made several), that’s not even close to being a fair comparison. People bashed Carl because he had an eternity to do his job and didn’t. You’re giving the same level of hate—and yes, it sounds like hate, not criticism, when you go off—for one-seventh the amount of work???
Re: Herm…good talent scout, no-coaching SOB, when it comes to being a head man. Is Haley that guy? Fair question, and even I’m starting to wonder. But Haley’s teams look to have a vision and a purpose, at least….even if it is a mistaken one (four blowouts?? Four??). Herm’s clubs were just taking the field, playing ball, and hung their heads when it went to hell.
That’s my two cents’.
"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."
-Bill Muir
by go_saleaumua on Nov 29, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
again,I hate to be the 1 that defends Herm/Peterson
Herm was not an elite head coach in this league .Although ,he isn’t the blithering idiot many fans seem to believe.People forget about that 08 season and how tough that schedule was.That year,the Chiefs played 12 teams (Den twice San Diego twice) that were .500 or better.They played 4 division winners and 6 playoff teams.And they did it with the youngest roster in the NFL and a disaster at qb.I don’t think anyone could have done much better under those conditions.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Needed to either way, really.
This definitely makes the priority list a bit more clear, though.
Shame the guy couldn’t return to his previous form. Would’ve been nice.
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I thought they were going T anyway
This all but seals it. OT, then TE. calling it now
by RamX21 on Nov 29, 2011 8:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and no franchise qb
great
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Nah. It's Pioli, there has to be a TE in there somewhere.
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so....RT in the 1st? Even if RGIII or Jones is still available?
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by reedeasy on Nov 29, 2011 8:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think i like RGIII and Barkley
I think if he can get Barkley he would take him. I dont know if Pioli will like RG3. Jones seems like he will drop in his position by his not being outstanding in big games.
Sidenote: I was lukewarm on Barkley till i rewatched some of his games he has Franchise potential. I was wrong based on his play this year.
He has been growing on me every week
He looks like Drew Brees only with a stronger arm and a little bigger
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
i like both of those guys too,
I think RGIII is more likely to fall to us than Barkley
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by reedeasy on Nov 29, 2011 8:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The guy does show a lot of poise for a college QB
I’d be pretty happy with drafting Barkley.
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I've read that RG3's height isn't that big of a deal
He’s listed at 6’2", which at least 2-3" short of the prototypical size, but apparently his throwing motion is textbook over the shoulder and his release is high enough that his passes aren’t at as much risk of being batted down as other short QBs.
Plus he's quick enough to move around in the pocket for clearer throwing lanes.
Though his footwork when he’s looking downfield does need a lot of polish still.
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Not a RT in the first
A LT. Lilja is done, so Albert will move to LG or RT
by RamX21 on Nov 29, 2011 8:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can get a RT in the 2nd Round
Particularly if you’re drafting high.
Ohio State’s Mike Adams or Florida State’s Zebrie Sanders maybe?
Who at LT in the 1st?
we may have a shot at Martin from Stanford (doubt it unless we lose out) but the #1 guy will be gone , and if we are that high might as well go QB
If we go LT in the 1st
I think it’ll be Riley Reiff from Iowa. The kid has an NFL wingspan (6’8") and he already plays in a ZBS system, plus Pioli is thick as thieves with the coach, college lineman guru, Kirk Ferentz.
I’d rather go QB in the 1st.
Not really a good move and use of current personnel
Albert can get it done at LT. He’s not amazing, but he’s not a liability. One of the least of our worries on offense right now.
You can go RT in the 2nd and get an immediate starter, and OG in the 3rd to also get an immediate contributor. It would be buttcheek-clinching time for a while at first starting two rookies on the O Line.
But with smart draft picks they can integrate pretty quickly. Especially with regular off season / training camps going back to normal this time.
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I like off linemen from Iowa and wisconsin,
Wagner from Wisconsin is a RT I have been thinking might be a good choice in the 3rd or 4th rd. Reiff is the choice in the 1st if still available. Weeden and jones will be showcased in the Ok vs Ok St game this coming weekend. One of them might be available in the second. Weeden is 29 and his time to play might be limited, but he shows a lot of maturity and is calm in the pocket, with good size and a strong arm. Arm strength is God given and something the Chief’s have never had. Time to get a guy with a rocket arm in my opinion.
by Jim from KC on Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I hardly knew ye
Great. Thin at the line comin up here to play that bear front 4. I’m already having panic attacks
by KCinIL on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I hope this doesn't mean
we go OT round 1. We really need to take advantage of our high pick and grab a QB this year while there are at least 4-5 great prospects. We could grab an OT in free agency maybe…
Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....
I wonder
How the OL/DL free agent pools gonna look.
by KCinIL on Nov 29, 2011 8:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure yet
But I’d pay a little extra to have a couple experienced linemen to come in and be ready to pancake somebody
Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 29, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'll give em my paycheck right now!
by KCinIL on Nov 29, 2011 9:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt this changes anything draft-wise.
Albert isn’t great, but is at least an average to sometimes above average starting LT. We need an RT more than anything on the O Line right now. You can easily get a good RT in the 2nd round most drafts.
Gaither was a backup, and they were taking a flier on him. It didn’t pan out but doesn’t really change much since it’s not like we lost a starter by waiving him.
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So who's going to play qb then?
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 29, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully whoever it is
The OL can protect him
by KCinIL on Nov 29, 2011 8:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Orton or Cassel while QBOTF rides pine & germinates
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
by reedeasy on Nov 29, 2011 8:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whoever we can draft in the first round that's worth a first round pick.
1st – QB
2nd – RT
3rd – OG
Is there some fatal flaw there I’m not seeing?
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I'm cool with that
Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 29, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly, cutting a backup OT doesn't exactly map out our draft plans
“Oh no, we cut Colbert?!? We’re tooootally going after Blackmon next April!”
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
/chuckle
"I’m still waiting to get my first sympathy card about all this. Nobody else cares that we lost our quarterback. They’re just out there waiting to kick our butt. So you can be an ostrich and keep your head in the sand, or you can realize we’ve suffered a dramatic injury here and we can’t just fall down and let everybody kick us in the face."
-Bill Muir
by go_saleaumua on Nov 29, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks sev. I was starting to think I was having some kind of crazy visions that no one else could see for a minute there.
Too bad I already started to self-medicate as a result. Damn my snap judgements!
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i really really really really really really hope that is what happens
Instead of another season of qb retreads, backups and never will be’s….which is what next season would be even if we drafted QBOTF, hopefully he could sit for a year or 2 & learn the system…
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
by reedeasy on Nov 29, 2011 8:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If anyone got released today I would think it would of been palko.
"Oh I'm Sorry I Thought This Was AMERICA"
by porkchop_sandwiches on Nov 29, 2011 8:44 AM CST reply actions
I've stopped trying to make sense of what Pioli and Haley do. It makes my brain hurt.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
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