Moves Pioli needs to make...

Draft Matt Barkley
Trade Glenn Dorsey to ATL for their 2nd Round Pick
Draft an OL, S and or NT in the 2nd Round. (REVISED)
Sign Calais Campbell via Free Agency
Re-Sign Kyle Orton as a backup (if not, keep Matt Cassel)

6 months ago R2J_24 45 comments 0 recs |

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1) Draft a QB – Best QB to fit current system. Let Barkley and Stanzi fight it out. Loser becomes Backup.
2) COMPLETELY AGREE! Replace Dorsey with Gordon, the dude is a monster. 2 sacks in 2 games, what has Dorsey done?

by DizzyKC on Nov 28, 2011 1:50 PM CST reply actions

2 THINGS

I think Haley is gone. I like him, but he’s extremely prideful and it’s going to get him fired. Scott Pioli is just as if not more prideful than Haley.. The difference? Pioli is the boss. Now, with Haley gone (talking future tense), our new head coach is going to want a new QB. Pioli will agree and pick the QB… I DO believe that there is a “Patriot Way”/ “Scott Pioli Mold” QB, and it isn’t RGIII. We’re not getting Luck, so next in line is Matt Barkley.

I love Glenn Dorsey. I wish he was 40 lbs heavier and could play NT. I admire how solid he played at the 3-4 DE position, but he is just really playing out of position. I could truly see him succeed in Atlanta at DT. And with the relationshop between Pioli and Dimitroff, this could very well happen.

I like Gordon as a depth player, but I think Campbell comes in and replaces Dorsey. 25 years old, 6’8 310 lbs. 50 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 FF, 1 INT, 5 Pass Deflections.. The guy is awesome.

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

I've heard far worse theories than this.

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by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 2:30 PM CST reply actions

good thoughts

I would hate to see Dorsey go, but if they could get good value, I’d be fine with it

Campbell would be a nice replacement, but I’m not sold on Winn… or the need for another DE, if they replace Dorsey with Campbell.

Another year of development for Jackson, Bailey, Powe, Bair, Gilberry (if he stays) should be good for the DE spot.

I would look for KC to grab someone else that can play NT or DE… they like that versatility for the backups, and hopefully will have Powe starting at NT

I’d draft Barkley, Luck or RGIII, whichever is available… then focus on one or two good OL picks along with an ILB, TE and S depth.

something like:
1) RGIII
2) Kelechi Osemele (could play G or T)
2) Alameda Ta’amu (could play NT or DE)
3) Robert Lester, FS
4) Ladarius Green, TE
5) Matt Reynolds, OT
6) Brandon Bolden, RB
7) Jerry Franklin, ILB

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions

I agree with you, man... Thanks

If Tyson can develop, awesome… Otherwise, I would LOVE Campbell & Bailey to be our D-Ends, with Powe in the middle. It’s obvious that Campbell can rush the passer even in a 3-4 defense (which is what the Cardinals has gone to) with 5 sacks on the season. So, with Campbell & Hali on one end and a better Justin Houston + a better Allen Bailey on the other, we could suddenly have one of the youngest and talented defensive fronts in the league.

I hope for Barkley in the 1st… And if we would trade Dorsey for a 2nd, I would love to get another NT, OL, or S in the 2nd round.

Oh and I think Gillberry is gone. :(

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

Jackson’s well on his way to being a good player for the Chiefs. He’s had a good year.

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by JComp11 on Nov 28, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions

agreed, Jackson has been VERY good

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

The only thing I don't get about Jackson...

Is that he is the only player to be ineffective at getting that much push…

I don’t get how he can push an O-lineman all over the place, but the Chiefs can’t take advantage of it.

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions

it's hard to tell

but, offenses can’t really run through him, and he does attract the double teams like he should… hopefully, Houston’s development allows them to take advantage more

I also wonder (as evidenced by Belchers swing and miss on Ben) if a better SILB would take advantage of the gaps opened by Jackson and Gregg

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions

I think Linebacker is the biggest hole on the entire team... Even more than QB...

But positional value will probably dictate the draft more than need.

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions

Ta'amu could be beastly as a DE in our scheme

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions

he's not my favorite as a pure NT

but, I think he could be very good at that DE/NT spot that Romeo seems to really like

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions

Stick him at DE in our scheme and let him develop

Could be Ngata-esqe, he needs to work on his hand placement as well as how high in his stance he gets, which is one main reason I do not like him as a NT, but at DE he would have a little more room to grow and would give us a lot of options of running a almost 3-3-5

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions

I like Green as a prospect, might be able to grab him in the 5th

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by King of the Cassel on Nov 28, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions

!?!?

Teo won’t make it to the 2nd round, and Dorsey won’t bring back a 2nd round pick.

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions

Why do you think Dorsey is not worth a 2nd?

I figure his worth is about a 2nd Round pick going to a 4-3 defense, at a position to which they’re lacking in. If we were trading him to a 3-4 defense as a DE, he’s 4th MAYBE a 3rd.

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

Plus...

The value that Atlanta receives for a late 2nd Round pick (given that they make the playoffs), in Dorsey is totally worth it. They would get a proven player, who OBVIOUSLY plays MUCH better as a 4-3 DT, with 4 years of NFL experience… In my opinion, that is worth a late 2nd Round pick.

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions

Is it that Obvious?

he didn’t really light the world on fire in the 4-3

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions

In college he did....

And I wouldn’t really judge his 4-3 performance based off of his rookie year, when our defense was HORRIBLE.

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions

In college Russel tore it up as well

Spiller, Maybin, Gholston… shall I continue?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions

Wow...

Are you really comparing Dorsey to those busts… Wow. Dorsey is 10x’s more successful playing OUT of position than any of those guys playing IN position, bro. Come on. Youre reaching now. LOL!

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions

Not reaching

Just saying that Dorsey has not been what he was in college, just like those other players.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions

That is a SERIOUS overstatement.

Plus, what part of “out of position” don’t you understand? Not trying to be rude, but ofcourse he’s not gonna take over the line the way he did in college, at the most non-glamorous/ unappreciated position in football. You put him next to Jonathan Babineaux Jon Abraham and Ray Edwards and that ATL defense is much much more stout.

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

No one trades maximum value on potential production

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

.......

Didn’t you just mention Matt Cassel? LOL!!

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions

They traded a 2nd round pick for a Starting QB

who won 10 games the year before.

Potential would have been giving a first round pick.

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions

also its very common for fans to overrated their own players.

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions

Chicago got desperate a few years back and traded a 2nd for Gaines Adams, who wasn’t lighting the world on fire in Tampa. If the Falcons get desperate we might have a shot of unloading Dorsey for a 2nd especially with this upcoming draft class. The floor would be a 3rd and the Falcons are in a win now mode with a top heavy NFC. Not saying it will happen, but I wouldn’t rule it out.

by Crown Chief on Nov 28, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

AAAHAA!!! That was the point I forgot to make!

Atlanta is on this “Win Now” tip! They don’t really NEED to draft a project/developing Defensive Tackle. Why would you, when you could trade for Dorsey and plug him in Week 1?

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions

And Atlanta was extremely high on Dorsey when he came out. They had to draft a QB, but he was probably the top guy on their board.

by Crown Chief on Nov 28, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions

11 games*

overrate*

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions

What have you been watching?

A lot of times he is singled up 1 on 1 with a guard and still can not get passed or even provide a lot of push on passing plays. Yes I know the scheme so don’t try to bring that up, watch the tape.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions

Cassel and Vrabel were gotten for a 2nd round pick...

2 starters one of which was a QB… We’d be lucky to get a 4th round pick out of Dorsey.

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions

I kindly disagree....

Vrabel was an unloaded/aging LB… And when you have Tom Brady, Matt Cassel becomes disposable… Plus, you don’t think that deal was partially a bone thrown to Pioli from BB?

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions

Do you really think Bill Belichick is in the business of doing anybody a favor?

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by averagegatsby on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions

Who knows... Not you or me, for sure.

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions

I think we could trade Dorsey for a 3rd or 4th

But we can’t trade him for his potential at 4-3 (even though he dominated that in college), he only played one year at DT in a 4-3 in the NFL.

Time to take back the AFC West
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by King of the Cassel on Nov 28, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions

Superbowl 2012

Calling it now….

And no I havnt been drinking

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Nov 28, 2011 3:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Well why not?!

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Sh*t...

With Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki, a 1 year experienced Justin Houston & Johnathan Baldwin, a new QB and upgrades at Safety & O-Line… I wouldn’t bet against it…. I wouldn’t say Super Bowl, but I would say yes to the playoffs and the AFC West Crown once again.

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by R2J_24 on Nov 28, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

Barkley hasn't really impressed me

His accuracy isn’t great, which is a huge deal in the NFL. I have to say I’m starting to like Landry Jones quite a bit. He’s supposedly a great leader, has the size, arm strength and accuracy to do well at the NFL level. His mechanics are awkward, but that’s what Zorn is there for.

As for Dorsey, I’d definitely trade him for a 2nd, but I don’t think he’ll fetch that much.

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by jmcgoblue on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions

Atlanta could get desperate...

they don’t have a 1st next year so the only way to get immediate impact is to trade the pick. Defensive tackle is a huge need for them. The Chicago Bears gave up a 2nd for Gaines Adams (may he RIP) after he was struggling in Tampa. I could see the Falcons getting desperate and going for Dorsey.

by Crown Chief on Nov 28, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions

DT will also be a pretty nice FA class

With the Saints having 1 year’d Rogers and also Franklin, etc

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions

Just picturing RGIII, Charles, Dex, Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, and Moeaki with an upgraded line. Holy F, it would almost be unfair.

by JaySoy on Nov 28, 2011 9:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs

Second the motion

I agree with everthing you’ve proposed, but…I’ve never been a big fan of USC QB’s…they seem to constantly be overrated. As for item 2…yes, yes, yes! They’ve tried for three years to cram a square peg into a round hole, with only moderate success. Do it while the price tag for Dorsey is stilol a high draft choice.

by Special K on Nov 29, 2011 1:44 AM CST reply actions