This Is How Bad The Chiefs Quarterback Situation Has Become
by Joel Thorman on Nov 28, 2011 11:01 AM CST
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A few hours before the Kansas City Chiefs Week 11 game against the New England Patriots, they placed QB Matt Cassel on injured reserve, officially ending his season, which left the Chiefs with QB Tyler Palko and Ricky Stanzi on the roster.
Chiefs coach Todd Haley has publicly backed his quarterbacks but it was clear after Palko's first game that the Chiefs should consider looking for another quarterback. We know now that they found that quarterback in Orton but the KC Star provides us a glimpse of how bad the Chiefs apparently thought their situation was before Orton became available.
Kent Babb answers the question of why Stanzi isn't getting his shot yet and includes this nugget:
The Chiefs simply believe the rookie quarterback Stanzi isn't yet ready to help the team, and they toyed with the idea of bringing back Brodie Croyle, the team's former backup passer, had Orton not become available. The Chiefs believe Stanzi has talent, but he's a long way from being a significant contributor.
That's how bad the Chiefs thought their quarterback situation was -- 0-10 Brodie Croyle! Let that sink in for a minute. I can not imagine the reception that move would have received.
Croyle, for his part, could be headed to Houston where rookie T.J. Yates is starting as the third man on the depth chart.
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Yikes
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by chai1836 on Nov 28, 2011 11:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Croyle
I’d rather have Croyle back there than Palko
by ChiefsJake on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
I'd rather put ChiefsJake in the game
than Croyle
by HisDirkness on Nov 28, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would rather had Arenas line up and run the wildcat every play.
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Yep
Have him, Dex, and McClain all back there lined up next to each other in shotgun and make the C learn to hike with an angle. Ball game.
THAT'S IT!!! YOU NAILED IT!
I never would have thought of it, but you just figured it out accidentally. Maybe Palko is actually awesome, but the center has been hiking at the wrong angle the whole time? Yes. That must be it right?
Nah. Never mind. He just sucks.
{hangs head in shame}
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Nov 28, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Well I dunno if I'd go that far...
but ChiefsJake shows some real potential
by HisDirkness on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
You would probably get a chance.
Croyle would last approximately 1 quarter before season ending injury happened.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Only way we would have seen Stanzi
"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
by electriclight on Nov 28, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Croyle and Stanzi are the same person.
Both really fragile players and can’t be a full time starter. With Stanzi helmet on, he looks just like Croyle. Stanzi was drafted to be a back up. You can talk about seeing Stanzi, he is not the future.
Stanzi is fragile?
Based on what? Croyle had major injuries in High School and College, Stanzi did not.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Based on how he looks with his helmet on.
Can’t you read? ;-)
"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
by electriclight on Nov 28, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
We'd only be one sack away from needing yet another quarterback
The porcelain quarterback has a better arm than Palko but he wouldn’t survive our o-line.
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
just more writing on the wall for the Scottfather to read
DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND ALREADY.
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
"The Chiefs simply believe the rookie quarterback Stanzi isn't yet ready to help the team"?
You mean, the way Palko has been helping the team?
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
by Scott B. on Nov 28, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No shit.
Like this staff is some type of expert on QBs (or RBs, for that matter).
Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley
by Tarkus on Nov 28, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It blows my mind
that Stanzi can be that far behind Palko. Is he dumb as a brick and can’t learn the playbook or something? If he’s physically worse than Palko, why the hell would we draft him? What’s the deal?
I believe in the Chiefs' Way. Someday, we will set the standard for how to be a championship team!
It's probably a Parcells adage
Parcells probably once said “you don’t play a rookie QB in the NFL”, and thus Haley (unable to think for himself) has decided that a rookie QB can’t play.
I will continue to believe that Sanzi is a better option than Palko until proven otherwise.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I honestly
don’t know what to make of the QB situation in KC. Pioli had high hopes for Cassel. That’s obvious. I haven’t seen enough out of Matt to say that he’ll improve to the point where we will compete for a Super Bowl Championship. We haven’t brought in any competition for Cassel. That shows the team’s commitment to him. And, because of that, we have a backup who can’t play at all. Plus, we have a rookie who—by philosophy, as you say—was never going to start this year anyway. What is it—do our coaches/GM not know how to evaluate talent at the QB position? Is it stubbornness on their part? Do they feel like they will have to give up too much to make the moves that will get us a good QB? Do they feel like their coaches can take average QBs and make them great? Do they feel like, if the rest of the team is great, it won’t matter who is at QB? I just don’t get it. I’m tired of trying to figure it out.
I believe in the Chiefs' Way. Someday, we will set the standard for how to be a championship team!
by Face Painter on Nov 28, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
And he obviously doesn't have any game-tape of Cincinnati or Carolina this year to prove otherwise
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."
-Henry Ford
This is Awesome - "Kyle Orton Doesn't Just 'Happen'"
This article on Deadspin – and more importantly, the graphic contained within – freakin awesome.
I was going to link it directly in but it’s pretty huge and you still need to enlarge it to read the text. So either hit that article above or go directly to the graphic here.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
LMAO. Nice.
Makes your head spin. We seem to be sucked into a spiraling shitpool of mediocrity don’t we?
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Nov 28, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed - I knew it was a twisted scenario
but I never really saw it spelled out like that in terms of what caused what and lead to where we are today. Oddly, every piece seems to tie together in some way or another.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 28, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Full Circle
…fate is a bitch.
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I blame McDaniels
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Nov 28, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I blame Pollard
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Ouch
The only positive I’m seeing this now, and accepted, is that the injury to Charles is finally forcing this team address(hopefully) our QB situation. 3 plays to get 10 yards! 3! 4 if your nasty! It’s beyond terrible we gotta cheer just to accomplish that. Don’t ruin this talent!
this team is not far from
From being really good. They have weapons there problem is 1moved or 2 holes get a real qb you will see this team become nasty. Get 1 or 2 offensive linemen a starting inside linebacker and let Dorsey and track man one de spot and amon gordon and gilberry the other
by rickrock58 on Nov 28, 2011 11:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
this team is not far from
From being really good. They have weapons there problem is 1moved or 2 holes get a real qb you will see this team become nasty. Get 1 or 2 offensive linemen a starting inside linebacker and let Dorsey and tjack man one de spot and amon gordon and gilberry the other with powe and gregg in the middle .get some safety depth and another tightend along with charles moeaki and berry back next year can look very good the problem is haley is stupid with the qb situation. After 1 year I knew what Cassel had but saying a real qb would easily make this team very dangerous in the future
by rickrock58 on Nov 28, 2011 11:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sold on Dorsey anymore.
Gordon was getting into the backfield when Dorsey was out last week. That’s something Dorsey hasn’t done all season.
And I thought we had more questions about Jackson.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
I think Dorsey will be gone
Dunno how his contract is structured, but I can see him being released if it’s a big number next year…and in any case he won’t be retained after his rookie contract expires.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I like Dorsey as a person.
He does not fit into our defense. I wish him Good Luck.
Why release him?
Why not trade him for at least something?
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Nov 28, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think we will.
Make it a conditional pick on production.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Nov 28, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
thats why
Dorsey and tjack need to rotate on one side for run purposes and gordon on the other doing his thing with gregg and powe in the middle with everyone coming back and a solid draft this team could be beastly on D and with a cam Newton or andy dalton type qb a pretty good offense
by rickrock58 on Nov 28, 2011 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
so my draft would be either
Qb first round but ilb first would be ok too.ilb second round. Offense linemen thrid and safety 4th but te would be ok too and te or safety 5th
by rickrock58 on Nov 28, 2011 11:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I am lovin' it .... Brodie, my main man :-)
wonder how many times Pioli has kicked himself for kicking Brian Waters to the curb? whatever the number is, it’s not nearly high enough …
seriously, the lack of depth on this team is beyond atrocious … rather like Cassel/Palko, sad … very, very sad
yup, we draft a QB who ishan yes, even Brosie n’t good enough to beat Paqlko, and Palko is worse than yes, even Brodie on a bad day … consider this: plug in the stats from Brodie’s start in Baltimore in 2009, a game where the TEAM had only two weeks of a BRAND NEW SYSTEM and those stats would still have won last night’s game
’nuff said
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The last two weeks...
I’ve been wishing he was on our NFL team. Thank god for the Kyle Orton era
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Nov 28, 2011 2:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Plug in brodies stats from the charger game last year
I’ll take 3 and out over giving the ball up in the opponent’s red zone any day
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Nov 28, 2011 2:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder now about post draft comments on Stanzi
Didnt I hear things like, “Stanzi is one of the most pro ready QB because of the program in Iowa”
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
He was so "pro ready" that he slid all the way to the 5th round.
What a steal for a “pro ready” player! And a QB at that.
Mel Kiper said Stanzi was pro ready
He also said Jimmy Clausen was the best QB in his draft class.
Not that I'm high on Clausen
but his draft class included a pedestrian looking Bradford, Tim Tebow, and Colt McCoy. Being the best QB in that class is like being the skinniest kid at fat camp.
You can't spell Power without Powe.
Doesn't matter
the trade deadline has passed.
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I am starting to think we should play Orton and do EVERYTHING we can to make him look GOOD.
I don’t want Orton as our QB (I would rather have Cassel) however, I would LOVE it if we can make Orton look good and find a way to flip him.
…he is going to be a FA.
…could we ’franchise" him?
….would we need to sign him to a deal to flip him?
what would it take to turn Orton into draft pick (s)?
by DivineGrace on Nov 28, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Why would you waste the
franchise tag on Orton? Bad move all around, he has no “real” value to us after the next five games.
Unless he comes out throwing for 400 yds a game with 0 turnovers, he should just walk at the end of the season.
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Just spit balling here but didn't NE "franchise" Cassel with no intent to keep him and flipped him for a 2nd.
by DivineGrace on Nov 28, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Cassel was a "promising" unknown at the time
Orton has proven on multiple teams that he is an average or below average QB at best. He will not get the same respect in free agency or under the franchise tag that Cassel did.
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Trade?
Maybe for a 6th or 7th round…unless we can convince Oakland that they need another QB.
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We make Orton look good and he gets to sign a Cassel like contract with a new team.
The Chiefs continue to build out TEAM through the draft with added ammunition.
It would be the ultimate WIN (Ortron) / WIN (Chiefs) in my mind.
by DivineGrace on Nov 28, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
If the Bears and Broncos couldn't make
Orton look good…how the hell do you expect the Chiefs to do it? We have 1 (ONE) touchdown in our last 45 offensive series over 17 quarters. Our offense is abysmal.
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That will happen when your QB turns the ball over 7 times in 2 games.
Ortron doesn’t score a single touchdown, but can flip those turnovers into field goals this defense might just be good enough to win the game.
by DivineGrace on Nov 28, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
2 games = 8 quarters
Cassel, who is at least as good as Orton is responsible for the other 9 quarters…I say again, our offense is abysmal, we will not make anyone “look good” not even Peyton Manning at this point.
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Cassel didn't turn over the ball like the interception machine that has been our QB.
by DivineGrace on Nov 28, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
But he failed to score as well.
That’s the point…our offense is BAD!
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The Orton will have to do what Cassel AND Palko
could not do…score more than one touchdown in the next 17 quarters…that will make him look like Joe Montana compared to the other QB’s we’ve started. If that is what you guys mean by “look good” then you’re spot on. End of the day, Orton is a below average QB who will be looking for one more starting gig before his time ends.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
If Kyle Orton comes in and leads this offense to actual TDs, the perception around the league will be that he is, indeed, a legitimate QB that can effectively work miracles. Chicago managed to get a QB and picks for him, so it’s not like he has the Palko/Croyle/Leinart rep around the league.
LOL
Orton “effectively work miracles” Thats funny right there, no matter who you are.
Then it gets better: “Chicago managed to get a QB and picks for him” ROFLMAO.
That is classic spin. Awesome. Like bragging about getting Broglio for Brock.
Well, it could be worse...the Chiefs could have the worst non-owner GM in all of the NFL like Denver.
So we got that going for us…
….which is nice.
WILL Pioli be able to get some value for Orton?? If Orton starts and wins against the Donkeys and keep them from going to the playoffs I am going to say that alone is worth the waiver wire pick up we had to spend on him. LoL
by DivineGrace on Nov 28, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Trust me
NO ONE in Denver is afraid of Orton.
Worst GM? Are you talking about Xanders of Elway? I assume you mean Elway and are just wrong about his title.
All I have to go by are one shortened off season free agent class and Draft class.
They drafted probably the best LB to come out in the last 10 years followed by a starting RT,FS so they drafted 3 starters. They brought in McGahee,Bunkley and Chris Harris an undrafted FA that has been one of our best DB’s. Also brought in 2 TE’s that have contributed greatly in the last few weeks success. Fells and Rosario.
So you are basing the “GM” being the “worst non-owner GM” in all of football on what? That they let a loser like Kyle Orton go so some bottom feeder team could lap him up and feel like they had made an upgrade? LOL
The one player on the Donkeys that I can't help but like is Tebow.
One of the things that make Tebow so likeable is his seemingly humble attitude. To bad that hasn’t rubbed off on some of the Donkey fans. LoL
This coming from
An organization that continues to spin the “Tebow is a winner” schtick. I’d wager that if the o-line and defense had been playing this well early, you turds would be much more productive with Orton right now.
And your wager would be wrong.
It’s very likely that Denver would be 9-2 right now had Orton never played a down.
I can understand that you would take an alternative to reality approach, you’re a Chiefs fan. Reality has sucked for a long, long time for your team.
The OL is playing well because they are largely run blocking and they have a QB that makes the first rusher miss. And theres really not many rushers anyway since the DE’s are all being forced to react to the QB. And attempt to contain him.
So in a large sense the QB is helping the OL(a good young OL btw) look really good.
The Broncos are running all over people right now. Did McGahee hit the roids? Is Lance Ball a new found gem? Not Sooo much, McGahee is a good RB. Made better because he’s getting the ball AFTER Tebow has (1) read the run defense and (2) convinced the nearest threat that he is keeping the ball. McGahee is getting yards off the option. He doesn’t get those yards with Orton back there.
And then theres the Defense. Playing pretty well indeed. They seem pretty well rested and they are with the Broncos running so much and giving them time to rest. And how again are the Broncos having so much success running?
There is absolutely NO way Orton will get the 2009 Cassel treatment.
Orton has played average football for 7 years now. Cassel had one good year coming off a bench.
He's a free agent
He will look for a starting role somewhere. No way he stays here as a backup.
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Never say never.
There are probably another 3-4 QBs coming out of the draft that will get starting roles. The window for 29 year old average at best QBs is closing quickly. Orton is on his way to finishing his career as a backup, whether he wants to admit it or not.
We might need that franchise tag for Bowe.
And even if not, Franchising Orton and risking getting stuck with a bill of the average top 5 QB salaries for him is, no offense, retarded.
It's hard to make any headway
Especially when you have people on this board who have went through Steadman and peterson and still can’t bring themselves to question the hype that comes out of Arrowhead. How many players have we been led to believe were great when they were just average? The players we have are just not as good as the media and Arrowhead make them out to be. Take Berry, he was sold that he was going to be the next Reed, Palamalou, right off the git go. We played a bunch of bottom dwelling teams and he got some very good stats and all the rookie mistakes he made were glossed over. He is out for the year and his best asset, his speed, may never be the same. Take Jamal Charles, Pioli and Hali were presented as the gurus when judging talent, but they thought Johnson was better when he was running up off linemen’s backs instead of hitting holes. Palco ain’t much and Stanzi is less in the opinion of the talent gurus, I was watching Stanzi on the sidelines and he looked like a highschool freshman. I have not much confidence in him ever making a franchise QB. It seems that other teams don’t havea problem drafting an off lineman and starting them, Look at Veldheer on Oakland, Almost the whole Denver off line. Look around the league and see all the off linemen that copme in and start and play at a high level. Looks like a talent guru could find some of those type of lineman. Pioli sucks.
Using Berry as an example is a bad idea, tbf, tbvvf.
The man’s a stud. You can’t really doubt that. Besides, I don’t really think that the Chiefs organization is “hyping” anyone anyway.
by seriousguynogames on Nov 28, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Palko made me do something I thought I would never, ever do....
Miss Matt Cassel.
Always a fan, win or lose. Go Chiefs!
by GetRight on Nov 28, 2011 12:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You would think a guy like Haley wouldnt be so obvious about tanking the season ... I mean reallly? Saying Palko ives us a better chance to win? better chance than an infant starting at qb MAYBE
He actually wanted to bring Croyle back
I’m begging to hate Haley as much as I grew to hate Herm… makes me said
Did any of Herm’s teams go 45 offensive drives with only 1 td? I know they were terrible but I dont think they were that bad.
Theres this
and then an article saying Stanzi has an injured ankle. I don’t care what this guy says. Stanzi is no worse than Palko
If you watched the pre season you know Stanzi out played Palko.
This coach has a man crush on Palko. I was in Todd Haleys corner about keeping him as the coach for next year. but know I think it’s time for Haley to go. He said Palko is his starter, then why did they go and get Orton? DRAFT A QUATERBACK IN THE FIRST ROUND AND PLAY HIM!!! It’s not that hard I’ve seen other teams do it.
They have the man crush on Stanzi.
That is why he will not see the field until a complete line is built, and a full playbook has been drawn up just for him. I say at least the rest of this year, all of next year, then he starts after the 2013 draft.
I find it Odd that anybody can get in Haleys dog house except Palko.
He has 6 int’s and one fumble and Haley says he is our starting QB.
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