Kansas City Chiefs vs Steelers: Breaking Down The O-Line Film

by Bewsaf on Nov 28, 2011 10:04 AM CST

Week #12

The Kansas City Chiefs lose to the Pittsburgh Steelers, 9-13. The Chiefs drop to 4-7 on the season and the Steelers improve to 8-3.

With the absence of Jamaal Charles and Matt Cassel, it might be easier to pinpoint the areas along the offensive line that might need to be addressed. Currently, the Chiefs have some issues in pass protection and a need for some added power along the offensive line. Power blocks don't always have to come from a single block. Some of that power can be produced by double team blocks that drive defenders out of the hole...something the Chiefs don't do very well, either.

This week, Jon Asamoah has the most consistent game of all the lineman. He ends the game with a 82% run assignment grade with a -1 dominance score and a 98% passing assignment grade with a +0 dominance score.

Let's take a look at the rest of those grades...

Team Run Blocking		Power Blocking		Power Blocking Score		2nd Level Blocks
Did the lineman get the job done or not? These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams. A game in the mid 80s to 90% is a decent score.		How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated? These scores are good for comparing across teams and finding the most dominant lineman in the league.		Anything over zero is a good score. The more over zero the more the lineman dominated the defender. Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the defender.		The number of successes over failures for the lineman when blocking linebackers and safeties on the second level. The lineman must be athletic to accomplish a high second level score.

Run Blocking Grades

Percent

Grade Bar

Power

Pull

2/Level

Grade

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Blocking

Blocks

Albert

65%

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-2

Hudson

73%

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-1

Wiegmann

69%

Asamoah

82%

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-1

-2

Richardson

78%

-1

Maneri

98%

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Run Blocking Notes:

Steve Maneri does not get very many reps. So the grade may be deceiving.
One of the issues that the Chiefs are having is they don't have the speed...or the types of backs that will/can bounce the ball outside. In the pic, below, you can see Hudson pulling and the line setting the edge. Charles would have probably bounced that outside but Jones takes the ball into the pile.

**Pic from NBC Sunday Night Game

Branden Albert has an off day run blocking. In fact, he has been off for some time now. I have not seen the energy he has had in past years at the second level, defenders are getting off his blocks, he has, from time to time, only blocked for a couple of seconds then let his defender go. I am not sure the cause of the sluggish play...possibly the absence of Brian Waters to lead the way has affected him. What ever the cause, we need to see Albert with a new sense of vigor.
One of those missed blocks, for Albert, is at 9:42 in the 4th quarter. Branden Blocks down for about 2 seconds as the running back tries to catch the left edge. Then Albert just seems to stand up and the defender scrapes to tackle the back.
Jared Gaither gets in for a play as Albert leaves the game hurt. He has a false start...and Albert comes back in to the game.
If you would like to see how often the Chiefs ran at every line position how how well they did during the Steelers game, then go here.
If you would like to see how the Chiefs linemen have done over the past games, then look here.

Team Pass Blocking		Passing Power Blocking		Pressures		Combo Help
Did the lineman get the job done or not? These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams. A game in the 90% is a good score for pass blocking.		How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated? Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the block.		How often did the offensive lineman give up pressure on the quarterback? Every once and a while a lineman can do his job but give up pressure on the QB. This stat will help glean more info from the line grades.		How often did the offensive coordinator provide help for a tough defender or a struggling lineman. Yea, two lineman ended up with the same grade...but how much help did either of them get?

Pass Blocking Grades

	Percent	Grade Bar	Power	Pressures	Sacks	Combo
	Grade		Blocking	Allowed	Allowed	Help
Albert	92%		+1	1	0	6
Hudson	92%		0	1	0	10
Wiegmann	92%		-1	1	0	10
Asamoah	98%		0	0	0	8
Richardson	62%		-6	7	0	4
Maneri	98%		0	0	0	1

Pass Blocking Notes:

Every offensive lineman has a decent day pass blocking, except Barry Richardson. Barry is beat 6 times during the game and ends the day with a 62% assignment grade in pass protection.
At 1:08 in the 3rd quarter, Branden Albert does a great job of blocking two blitzing defenders on the same play to give Palko the time to throw the ball. He first locks onto #92, blocks him for a second or two, and then moves to #29 to slow him down. Nice blocking! (pic below)

**Pic from NBC Sunday Night Game

At 4:07 in the 3rd quarter, Barry Richardson gets beat and the Steelers only rush 3 defenders. (pic below)

**Pic from NBC Sunday Night Game

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Jesus, JC scores on the run in Pic #1, Jones has no freakin' ad-lib ability

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by severn58 on Nov 28, 2011 10:09 AM CST reply actions

yup...

that is ridiculous…

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Nov 28, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions

Hopefully Haley doesn't read these posts, otherwise that pic just garnered TJ an extra 5 carries per game.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
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by severn58 on Nov 28, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions

We miss JC big time. (Obvious, I know)

None of our backups are even close to as fast. I really hope he hasn’t lost that blazing speed when he returns next year.

by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions

Battle is apparently 4.4 fast.

Unfortunately he’s probably the least agile RB I’ve ever seen, and will probably never get to run in a straight line, outside of kick coverage.

by m.yashi on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions

I really do like what we've seen from Battle this year

He’s much better than I expected and he runs hard. I’d love to see him and Charles out of the backfield next year instead of Thomas Jones.

by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah I had to laugh at that comment.

No way Battle ever ran a 4.4

by polodude017 on Nov 28, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

That's whats recorded

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

Well he doesn't have any burst

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

He has been up to 260lbs before with the Chiefs

Who knows what weight he was at when he ran the 4.4

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

Richardson

is not an NFL player, much like Palko. Not drafting a RT in this draft is the biggest headscratcher of the offseason. But great, we got a below-average Gabe Miller throwaway pick. Im’ starting to believe that NE’s success in drafting was more Belichick than Pioli.

by Nicoloco on Nov 28, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions

NE has had a run of pretty bad drafts in a row without Pioli

They are getting skewered in the media up there about it.

by kcsno56 on Nov 28, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions

I think the Miller pick is similar to the Bannon pick.

They are looking for guys that could play multiple positions and cause matchup problems. I would guess Pioli was hoping Miller could become a TE or a LB that could cover the TE.. In any case, I agree…we could have got him off the FA market. As for not drafting a RT. I think Pioli/Haley knew that we had so many needs, we couldn’t afford to reach for a player at a position. Every player we took did fill a need. Next year I expect us to take a S, ILB, OT, G/C, QB, RB, TE.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 28, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions

partially agree

I’d be surprised if Miller was a TE pick… but I think they like him as an OLB/ILB/ST player

Bannon could be a FB/H-Back/TE and a ST player

I do agree that the draft WAS need-based, and largely one for depth and the future… as evidenced by the fact that most of the draft picks haven’t seen a lot of time.

I also think they felt OK with Richardson, as he showed improvement last season and was part of an OL that performed pretty well overall.

I could see this upcoming draft being much of the same… versatile, depth players… hopefully one or two that can have an impact in the first year.

Everyone is down on Pioli for not “building enough depth”… I’d argue that he drafted and acquired players for depth in 2011 (including Gaither, Siler) but couldn’t cover EVERY position, and missed on one acquisition (Sabby)

this team HAS depth.. it’s just comprised mostly of rookies.

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions

Yes. They have depth. And they'll add depth by adding starters.

It’s tough to watch and tough to be patient with Pioli’s team-build, but I can see the tide rising, and he’s doing it in such a way that he can KEEP doing the same sorts of things, after the team is closer to a championship.

This is radically different from the quick-fix mentality from Peterson. Easy to do the obvious and easy for fans to get on-board in a Peterson kind of team-build. But you reach a point where it’s tough to make progress where you need to make progress without losing ground somewhere else. Pioli hasn’t painted himself into ANY corners.

I’d like to see more rapid progress, and more willingness to take bigger chances in FA, short-term, but the tide is definitely rising, with many of today’s starters being tomorrow’s backups – instant depth.

Miller can tangle with OLs, treats RBs and TEs like blocking sleds, nice short-area quickness (especially for his size), and decent ball skills (witness his TE background). I was really REALLY hoping to see him get some reps at SILB, this year. I think he’s a smart player with solid field awareness, which is just what I want in a SILB, and he has the size to play big, when he has to. A guy like him is also nice emergency depth at TE – somebody you can bring in at the goal line with a unique skill set for the goalline.

He’s an injury reach, the same as Moeaki was, and I think that the edge KC has in their Body by Haley program was dulled by the shortened offseason. I think the short offseason set them back with their more ambiguous picks, like Allen Bailey.

Bannon and Miller are just two more in what I expect to be a long-term pattern of adding ’tweeners on O and D. You can never have too many guys like that. Allows you to mix and match quite a bit and tweak your size/speed profile to your advantage, the way that we see New England do quite a bit.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 3, 2011 5:16 AM CST up reply actions

FA Market? I guess people don't realize there was a lockout

Miller & Bannon probably would have thought nobody wanted them, and moved on with their lives instead of staying in shape for a few months while the NFL got situated

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions

My mistake, should have put

UDFA market…as I did realize there was a lockout….I hope you are joking that Miller and Bannon would have moved on. If not, I would doubt you have ever worked to toward a goal you were passionate about. You don’t quit your dream after a setback. Their asses would have been back in the gym getting better and looking for that first opportunity.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 28, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah they probably would have

Miller was shocked the Chiefs drafted him in the 5th, and Bannon was shocked he got drafted at all.

Both aren’t world beaters as prospects or football players, Miller was constantly injury prone and Bannon was a FB at Yale or something. You’re telling me they thought the NFL would come knocking for them, and not others? After months of silence?

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions

Who knows, I just bet they would have kept working until

they knew it was over. I really don’t care about Bannon being it was a 7th rounder and we really didn’t have a true FB on the team. Miller though, there were some good prospects still in the draft….but like I said above, we should expect some strange picks. Look at the Pats last year…they needed pass rushers….they took RBs.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 28, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions

Miller was injury-prone as a TE. He stayed healthy after the switch to D.

When I see some of his TE highlights, I see Miller playing with a high degree of abandon. Kinda reminds me of Cottam, the way he’d risk his body to make the catch. The guy trying to come down with his feet in-bounds is generally more vulnerable than the guy with it in mind to stop him. Miller seems like a guy who’s just more likely to be hurt being tackled than being the tackler.

I think the intention, here, is to cast a wide net in the ‘tweener class. And they’re doing just that. When I look at picks like this in the late rounds, I like them, in general, because I put them in the context of years of making similar picks. I feel like the ’tweener group is exactly where you want a lot of picks.

Blah blah blah. In response to your main point, I’m more with AZDiamond on this. Anybody who’s stayed in organized ball through all of college is aware and almost certainly going to keep in condition in CASE of a phone call.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 3, 2011 6:08 AM CST up reply actions

What RT were we supposed to draft in the 5th round

Please pray tell

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

Kinda the way I think, too.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 3, 2011 6:10 AM CST up reply actions

Is it too much to ask

that our tackles run AND pass block. we seem to have two 1 demensional tackles.

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Nov 28, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions

What is your impression of Hudson, Bewsaf?

by bossmanham on Nov 28, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions

Thanks for playing Jared Gaither.

Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.

by craig in calgary on Nov 28, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions

Pretty big let down this season

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't say that yet

it’d be a let down if he had a chance to play but didn’t perform well.

we haven’t seen enough of him to judge…

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions

Let down because at the very least he is good enough to play on kick teams

However can not beat out BRich and we continue to have a gaping black hole at RT?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions

remember, it's Haley at the helm

he doesn’t seem to like to make changes mid-season

so, I wouldn’t assume that Gaither “can’t beat out BRich”

just that Haley hasn’t pulled the trigger yet

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions

That's where I am at

There is something that we do not know though, either Gaither is not completely healthy, can not really play the right side in our scheme, or does not put 100% effort

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions

OR... my theory

Gaither is getting healthy, CAN play in the scheme… but Haley doesn’t want to make a change yet.

I’m still predicting Gaither is a starter in 2012

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

Why would he re-sign with the Chiefs?

Do you intend to prepare Orton to start against Chicago? "No. I think we have a much better chance this week to compete and, like I said, Tyler’s the starter." - Todd Haley

by Tarkus on Nov 28, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions

why wouldn't he?

it’s not like teams were fighting over his services.

he could easily have the opportunity to start here, and he now knows the system.

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions

because

we gave him a contract even though he wasnt healthy enough to play

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Nov 28, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions

His best friends are Albert and McClain

I think we re-sign McClain, and Albert is still under contract

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

that's true too

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

Would be great to see...

a breakdown like this for the dominant line they had w/Vermeil. Roaf-Waters-Wig-Shields-Tait. Just to see the gap between the two lines. I’ll always remember Vermeil’s three key ingredients to a great O: versatile RB, great QB and dominant LT. Chiefs are 0-3 here.

by eljefe83 on Nov 28, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions

I would assume you would mean with Charles being injured 0-3

with him 1-2

by km230015 on Nov 28, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions

Yes, without JC

As others have already noted, his absence has been a major factor.

by eljefe83 on Nov 28, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions

The power scores would be the big difference.

I love how Roaf broke out of the huddle like an old man…in his later years…limped up to the line like he could hardly walk without something falling off, put his hand down and…SNAP…he just kick your ass 5 yards down field, ROOKIE!

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by Bewsaf on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions

When 800 years you block like an all-pro, look as good you will not!

Roaf was awesome. He’d come out of the huddle all:

Then at the line, he’d make his pre-snap reads all like:

Then as soon as the ball was snapped, he’d explode all up in the defense’s faces like they were all confused padawans all like:

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by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs

Yeah...

I miss Roaf. When he wasn’t mauling defenders downfield, he was snuffing out pass rushers. I mean, I kind didn’t even watch his side on pass plays because I knew there wouldn’t be anyone coming in from that side.

by eljefe83 on Nov 28, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions

I'm just happy that Asamoah and Hudson are looking like legit picks for us.

Pioli is showing a good eye for drafting interior linemen. Let’s hope he can do the same for the bookends. Because we definitely need help there.

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by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions

Agreed

Asamoah looks to have been a real good pick-up in the 3rd round

by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions

The year of learning really helped him with this scheme

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed, though I hope Hudson is a center and not a guard.

I have a feeling the questions about Albert’s position will come up again this offseason. And with Lilja’s contract up, I can’t say I would be averse to trying him at guard (especially if they can find a capable LT in either FA or in the draft).

by polodude017 on Nov 28, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions

Kalil-Albert-Hudson-Asamoah-Empty

Might be easier to find a LG than RT

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

Gaither - Albert - Hudson - Asamoah - Reiff

by hock57 on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

Yes! a top 10 RT.. how bout no?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions

I'd take it, actually

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

Too many other holes

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

other than QB...

I don’t think so

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

QB, possibly WR, possibly CB, NT even if none are really worth it, OG is going to be a hole

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions

I look at Albert's "positional flexibility" as a good thing.

Means they can take a high pick at OT and shift things around, as needed. They could also just go after G/C and leave Albert where he is. Gives them some options, but I still think they need at least one more guy. Looking at their slow, but steady progress, I’m afraid they just get one more guy and we’re still bitching about somebody on the OL this time next year.

Of course, since some of this discussion. Gaither’s been released. Definitely looks like OT is on the horizon. Not sure if they want to jump into this draft (and go FA in 2012) or the next one.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 3, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

Why not?

Its a passing league, gotta protect that QB somehow.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions

Got to have a QB to protect first

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

Why don't we start with the foundation, IE the line

then worry about the roof of the house later.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions

RT in the top 10? When we have a hole at QB possibly WR possibly CB?

Come on now, that is not value at ALL

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions

Hole at WR? How so?

Bowe is getting franchised if he won’t sign a new contract.

Who knows about Carr, but I just don’t see Pioli pulling the trigger on a first round Corner. Especially this class which is pretty deep.

QB is more of a possibility, but i just get this vibe that we won’t draft one. i don’t know why, just how I feel.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 2, 2011 3:38 AM CST up reply actions

If there's a Top-10 worthy OT, I'd be taking him.

Better yet would be the trade-down.

As far as corner, I’m not so much interested in a deep class as the potential for an elite player at the top of the class. I think they need DBs that allow them to play more REAL press at the line more often. They still don’t have an answer to motioning TEs and bunch formations, imo, and I think it’s because they’re afraid of being burned by speed down the field. One more guy with elite skills and speed and they have the guys in-house who can jam at the line, AFAIC.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 3, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions

Trade back for Reiff.

Taken in the late teens or early twenties wouldn’t be bad at all.

Especially if those top 3 QBs are already off the board before we can draft.

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by citadelchief on Nov 28, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions

Kalil-Albert/Cordy Glenn-Hudson-Asamoah-Gaither/Albert.

A young, physical, talented line with loads of upside. Also, we don’t sacrifice athleticism and second level blocking for bulk. This is a much bigger line than our current line and just as atheltic and agile while pulling and at the second level, and they can actually hold their blocks long enough for the play to develop!

by NigerianNightmare on Nov 28, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions

i dont think oline is our biggest problem

id take a QB first. i think fixing the line would be alot easier in Draft and free agency than fixing QB

by chiefsman! on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

I agree however that line could be sexy

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions

Disagree. There's just too much penetration by the 4-man rush.

I’d prefer to do something about that, first, and then go after a QB who would look better to all of us in the current situation. Best of both worlds, then. I just don’t like the idea of going rich at QB and not putting him in a good situation.

But let’s see just how Hudson does. I have a feeling he’s not going to relinquish his starting spot to Lilja.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 3, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions

I was reading a 2013 mock for shit's and giggle's the other day,

Evidently the 2013 draft is supposed to be loaded with OT talent, just saying maybe we wait another year for LT.

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-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions

Martin or Kalil would be worth it

That also depends which QBs come out, I highly doubt Luck/RGIII/Barkley/Jones all come out

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions

What's the tackle combo then?

Martin/Kalil at LT, slide Albert to RT, or put the rookie at RT? I can’t see using a top 10 pick on a RT.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Nov 28, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions

I could see it either way

I don’t think Pioli cares about “postitional value” (contrary to popular belief)

IF they see an OT in the first round that they like, I could see them making the pick, then seeing where he fits in… if that’s at RT, so be it

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions

I keep forgetting about the rookie cap too, making your point valid..

LT’s and RT’s now are going to cost the same, the LT “premium” isn’t there anymore, so draft a guy as an OT and figure out which side he plays on later.

That being said, I also think that not having to pay for the QB premium anymore makes it that much harder to pass one up, especially when the Chiefs and needing a QBOTF go together like coffee and cigs.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Nov 28, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions

Oh man, the longing I feel after that post.

Haven’t had a cig since December 2010.

I’ve cut caffeine back to the point that I’ve had one cup of coffee in the last week.

Those two go together so. freaking. well.

Going to go cry myself to sleep in the corner now.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions

Breakfast of champions....And let's not even get into booze and cigs..

It’s because of that combo that the best I could do was become a “drinker smoker”, only lighting up when I’m boozing up, but congrats on your anniversary.

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by severn58 on Nov 28, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

Funny thing is, quitting wasn't even a conscious decision

I just sort of got tired of it. Had the habit of just running in the gas station to pick up a pack while the car was fueling up.

One day I was fueling up and just the thought of a smoke didn’t sound appetizing. So I just put it off and figured I’d get a pack the next tank of gas. Never really happened.

More than anything I just miss having something to do with my hands, ducking out for a quick one at work, things like that.

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by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

Smokers do get more "breaks" at work than their non-smoking counterparts

But then there’s the whole death thing, so…..trade off?

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by severn58 on Nov 28, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions

I'm crying myself to sleep because I'm still addicted to both.

Nice for getting you through some tough times, but not a good daily habit at ALL.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Dec 3, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

Eh I don't want Martin

He’s slow out of his stance and his slide, doesn’t finish plays when they’re not right in front of him and Stanford gives him a lot of help even though he’s a LT and is supposed to be an island so to speak.

I think he’s a RT in the NFL because teams aren’t going to trust him with a QBs blindside and he’s a great run blocker. I think he drops to 3rd Tackle taken behind Reiff(if he declares, which is doubtful)

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by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions

David DeCastro is the O-lineman I'd want from Stanford.

He’d allow us to move Hudson over to C and keep Lilja as our interior backup.

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by citadelchief on Nov 28, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

I'd love it too, Decastro is one of my favorite players in the draft.

Too bad we’re picking top 10, so we’d need to trade back.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

It definitely sucks now.

But when draft time comes around, I have a feeling Pioli’s phone will be ringing off the hook for potential trades.

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by citadelchief on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

yeah, DeCastro is a STUD

I’d be happy with him at #10, even when people are complaining about drafting a G too early

I heard him described as “the most dominant player in the country at his respective position”

but, of course, I’d be giddy with a trade down to get him

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions

Well I don't think he's the next Will Shields, or even Brian Waters

But he’s definitely going to be a good player for a very long time.

I really like the interior OL/RT talent in the draft this year, particularly in the early rounds.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions

yeah, but he has that ability

might be the best Guard prospect to come out in recent years… and there have been a few good ones

by stagdsp on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions

What about the kid from Wisconsin, Wagner for RT.

I think he is a junior and probably could be had in the 3rd or 4th rd. I like Reiff in the 1st for LT. We should all take a look at the Ok vs Ok St game coming up. Two of the better QB’s will be showcased. I personally like Weeded as at his age he seems a lot more mature and calm in the pocket than most of the others. If Reiff is available for us in the 1st, I think I might take weeden in the second and Wagner in the later rds. There is a kid from Ark. who plays ILB that I like as well.

by Jim from KC on Nov 29, 2011 2:01 AM CST up reply actions

I'd be really happy with a good RT prospect in the 4th

but, I wouldn’t draft 2 OTs this year, I don’t think

So, if they go QB in the 1st, LG, NT or ILB in the 2nd, RT in the 3rd or 4th… that’d be good

by stagdsp on Nov 29, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions

If I'm understanding what you are saying...

you are hinting at Albert at RT instead of LG? I guess my response would be that I’m more confident in his ability to be an upgrade at LG (a position he has played and excellend at ) than RT (a position he has not).

by polodude017 on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions

Or

Kalil/Albert/Hudson/Asamoah/Gaither

by DizzyKC on Nov 28, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions

Is it just me.

Or does Gaither get a false start every time he comes in as a sub? I know I called it last night as soon as he came in.

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by Tarkus on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM CST reply actions