Realizing the Obvious
by Flowers24 on Nov 28, 2011 12:24 AM CST
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It's no surprise Kansas City lost to Pittsburgh tonight. If I was surprised at all, it was the Chiefs having any chance late in the game.
However I think it's foolish to look at this game and only take away the final score.
The defense was spectacular tonight. The cornerbacks were all over their men and the linebackers did an excellent job of fitting gaps and flowing to the football. I thought Tyson Jackson played quite possibly the best game of his career. Speaking of all-time games, Justin Houston was relentless this evening and showed true potential for the future.
One thing has become painfully obvious in the negative sense however; Kansas City needs a quarterback. Some of you will say I'm late to this party and some will say I'm wrong. Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton clearly aren't players who should be taking the reins next year and neither should Matt Cassel.
While I love and respect Cassel's heart, the talent simply doesn't match his desire. With a well-oiled machine around him he could take a team to the Super Bowl, but who wants to deal with that?
The Chiefs need to draft a QB. Enough already with stop-gaps and late round picks. Ante up and draft Matt Barkley if he's available. Barkley can flat out throw the football. They need a player at that crucial position who when all else fails can win the game for the team.
Kansas City would have crushed the Steelers tonight if they had a really good QB. Outside of Green Bay, who has a better crop of receivers? Think about it for a moment. Next year if the team is healthy the Chiefs have the weapons to be a dominant offense.
With Cassel behind center though that isn't going to happen. In the old days it wouldn't be a good idea putting a rookie in at quarterback, but those days are long gone.
The other obvious flaw on the team is the offensive line. It has to be changed. I don't know whether Rodney Hudson will be a good player for us, but Richardson, Weigmann and Lilja have to go. Weigmann will retire which helps, but Richardson needs to be a swing tackle and Lilja can be kept for depth. While the line isn't terrible it's definitely not up to par.
I would say we need another pass rusher off the edge but I believe Justin Houston could be that guy. The biggest needs we have on defense is a long-term nose tackle and an inside linebacker to replace Jovan Belcher.
We can all sit here and bury our faces in our hands saying this team stinks. It doesn't. This isn't a team full of Devard Darling, Lance Long, Corey Mays, Mike Brown and Damion McIntosh. The talent is abundant.
I watched a team tonight that is ready to compete for big things when its stars come back. We're only missing a few pieces up front.
Of course, we do need that pesky QB.
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Couldn't agree more
I’ve been saying it for 3yrs. Worst thing that could’ve happen to this team was Cassel being selected to probowl it made everybody buy into we can win with this guy. That is true but everything around him has to be perfect. Like no injuries, him throwing below 10 picks for an entire season, and having a #1 rushing attack. Problem is stars not going to align like that every seaon. We no doubt need to draft Landry Jones, Barkley, or RG3 next season. Orton like Cassel is slight upgrade but does anyone think he’s going to deliver us Super Bowl after he couldn’t beat out Tim Tebow. Seriously Pioli made huge mistake in trading for Cassel its time to own up to it and draft QB in the 1st round preferrably the guys I mentioned. IF it means trading up and losing some draft picks next yr find but we have to do whatever it takes to put a more talented player at that position.
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He might be better than people think. He could’ve been playing sub-par in Denver due to being pissed that they tried to trade him to the Dolphins and it fell through. With a clean slate and a change of scenery management wise, he might be inspired and play well. Here’s to hope.
I really thought 2011 was going to be our Chiefs breakout year. Injuries to key players has hurt us bad, but I have hope we will see growth and a few surprising wins this year. GO CHIEFS !!!!!!!!
Orton is a sitting duck in the pocket, and yes our o-line sucks, any questions?
Orton makes he’s reads alot quicker and has a better deep arm which should help some but he fumbles the ball to ghost tacklers and he goes into the fetal position under pressure. So more or less it comes down to having time in the pocket, yeah that right the same as it was with Cassel. Don’t expect to much from Orton, I’m tellin’ ya now.
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Doesn't have to do a lot
If the defense plays like they did tonight. I don’t like Cassel and I wanted to like Palko, but Cassel would have won this game.
Orton making reads faster
Could be exactly what this offense needs, the receivers are getting open.
I'm not a smart man
I've got two draft scenarios in my head...
1) Draft a QB with the first rounder if there’s on there they like. The three you listed seem realistic at this point, but I can’t see them taking RG. Not saying I’d be for or against the pick, just seems like this front office is looking for Tom Brady, a traditional pocket passer. Barkley and Jones seem more realistic, though they might end up having to move up to get Barkley.
2) They don’t see a QB they like or they find someone via FA or trade that they like. In this case they take the best available o-lineman.
Haley and Palko
It’s kinda obvious Haley has taken a real liking to Palko. A career underdog at his position, throws lefty, small for QB, gritty tough Pennsylvania kid.
Haley sees a lot of himself in Palko…I respect that but damn Haley do not make so many decisions with your heart! Palko sucks and now he showed the whole world on MNF AND SNF how bad he really is! Now we will never get back on primetime tv!
Screw Barkley screw RG3! Trade up for Luck and take this team to the SB!
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 28, 2011 12:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Sorry
But no way Colts are trading out 1st pick I mean you’re wishful thinking be more REALISTIC
I would give them an offer they couldn't refuse
I’m tired of settling for mediocrity. If we end up 4-12 or even 5-11 we should be close enough to make a sweet deal.
With Luck, any of our future 1st rd picks will be late…almost 2nd rounders.
I would pull a Ditka and throw it all in for Luck.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, how well did that turn out for Ditka?
Chiefs have been outscored 246-33 in 7 of last 15 games. H/T saskwatch
For a RB? Is it any surprise it didn't work out for Ditka?
I wouldn’t go overboard, but throwing a couple of firsts and any player on the team to get up to get Luck wouldn’t be a bad move at all. A couple of draft picks won’t set your team back much, but a QB can possibly make your team for many years. Well worth the risk, imo
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 28, 2011 3:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or the QB fails
And you’re shit out of luck for the next few years because you’re not reloading talent missing those first rounders, and having to deal with a horrible QB.
Its a double-edged sword, and Pioli has already shown that he’ll trade down before he moves up, particularly in the first round.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:28 AM CST up reply actions
But we got the $$ to get quality vets in lue of draft picks
Kinda like a temp band aid
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Nov 28, 2011 6:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't work
We all know this, just ask the Redskin or the Eagles.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think RG3 is a franchise QB
Love his mobility if stuff breaks down.
Hell, Russell Wilson is the most underrated QB in this draft. I wouldn’t hate him.
RGIII has outplayed Luck.
Luk is the flavor of the month. RGIII does not play on an elite team and tears the up.
by OJ In Nevada on Nov 28, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
Evidence?
For Haley loving Palko? He had no choice about playing Palko and seems totally behind bringing in Orton.
What is he supposed to say? ‘yeah well we know Palko sucks but we have to throw someone to the dogs’? Of course he says he supports him and believes he can win, every coach in the NFL would.
Palco is Haleys Boy Toy
Evidence you ask…..did you watch the game on Monday Night? He was HORRID. Did you see Stanzi getting any time learning the offense? Nope. Fast Forward to SNF. We could have won this game five times over. Did you see how Palco Played? HORRID. Did you see Orton active..Nope. Did you see Stanzi with a clipboard at alll during the game? No you didn’t. Did Haley say after the game he was disappointed in Palco and we need to start Orton/Stanzi? Nope..he says “oh Palco gives us the best chance to win against the bears”…
There is your Evidence. If Haley doesn’t start playing guys who can WIN and not guys he can try to Mold who are NOT moldable, then he will not be here much longer. Maybe that is a good thing? Something has to give, im tired of seeing this Franchise suffer year after year…especially for the kind of money they are sucking me dry for every year. Agree to Disagree if you wish..
Quick question
How bad is Stanzi? If that runt can’t get in a game where Palko can’t even take a fucking snap, the kid must be stinky beyond belief.
A reply to both you and Coady
Apparently, Stanzi tweaked an ankle in practice last week. The only QB KC had last night that was both healthy and knew the offense was Tyler Palko. It would have been idiotic to play Kyle Orton last night since his first practice with the Chiefs occured Friday night. There is no way he knew the offense.
There are some people that just need to get over their Haley hate.
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
by ChiefWildcat on Nov 28, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently
Palko tweaked his football ability at some point then too. Stanzi’s “tweaked ankle” aside, the QB situation sucks.
Oh, don't get me wrong
I agree completely. I have been saying for 2 years that we needed to improve the QB situation. I think Orton will be a massive upgrade over Palko and a significant upgrade over Cassel. I also think we need to do whatever it takes to get Luck next year. I would offer this year’s 1st and 3rd round picks and next year’s 2nd and 3rd round picks to get him.
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
by ChiefWildcat on Nov 28, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
AMEN
I agree so much that I feel like you have a mind telepathy machine beaming in my head! 1 st. round QB, 2nd, fix O-line!!! for krist sake!!! the " obvious" shouldn’t be THAT obvious. and I’ll say it again (and spell it wrong again, little tipsy from the loss) OBVIOUS
by JonSarah Roberdes on Nov 28, 2011 12:33 AM CST reply actions
good post +1
I agree on Belcher but Power could be our long term NT.
I really thought 2011 was going to be our Chiefs breakout year. Injuries to key players has hurt us bad, but I have hope we will see growth and a few surprising wins this year. GO CHIEFS !!!!!!!!
**Powe**
I really thought 2011 was going to be our Chiefs breakout year. Injuries to key players has hurt us bad, but I have hope we will see growth and a few surprising wins this year. GO CHIEFS !!!!!!!!
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I really thought 2011 was going to be our Chiefs breakout year. Injuries to key players has hurt us bad, but I have hope we will see growth and a few surprising wins this year. GO CHIEFS !!!!!!!!
Agreed
Our Offensive is ready for take off just need a good QB n better play caller. Talent is there on both sides of the ball but crennel seems to be doing better w/ getting that def playing better. On offensive we stink but I believe we have weapons to compete with the best offenses. QB should be priority #1 next yr unless Orton proves something but track record shows hes not that guy
by WACHIEFFAN on Nov 28, 2011 12:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Ready for takeoff?
Palko threw some god awful passes tonight but he did enough to manage a win. I can’t say the same for Bowe or Breaston. Both gave up on plays that resulted in interceptions, one that ended the game. I was so disgusted to see the lack of effort on Bowe’s part on the last play, especially when you call for the ball with you outside arm up. He plays with no heart and the same could be said for a lot of the guys on this team. I hate the Broncos and have lived in Denver all my life, but I’ll tell you one thing they play with passion. Be it because of Tebow and his faith or whatever but Denver has very little talent except up front on D and yet have consistently pulled off “gutsy” wins. That’s what it takes, guts, and this team has none!!
by Chiefsfan_in_the_MileHigh on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
Palko did enough tonight?
Wow….just wow. I’m sorry but I literally don’t know what to say.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
He did enough?
was he playing defense too?
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No, you got that wrong.
Breaston had a full step on his man. You don’t throw a backshoulder pass on that. You lead the WR so he can continue with his momentum and potentially leave the defender behind.
Bowe drew quadruple coverage. The only QB I know that throws that pass is Brett Farve…and he generally gets criticized for it.
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by citadelchief on Nov 28, 2011 1:40 AM CST up reply actions
So. . .
How do you have a full step on your man when you are running a hook/comeback? Breaston sat in a zone and instead of coming back or moving with the QB he just stood still. Any DB is going to jump that route all day when the receiver stands still. That’s not on the QB. Let’s talk about sir drops everything Bowe. Two plays stand out, one when the ball hit him directly in the hands and would have been a TD if he didn’t stop to jump. And when a receiver calls for a ball with his outside hand, he better expect it to be on his outside. If Bowe doesn’t break on that play, he is in position to at least break up the play. Is Palko good, no. Did he have turnovers, yes. Where two of those turnovers his receivers fault, yes.
by Chiefsfan_in_the_MileHigh on Nov 28, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Did i just read this right?
You are definitely a mile high.
by Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 on Nov 28, 2011 2:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Enough to win?
You don’t win many games when your QB turns it over 4 times. I guess it was probably the WRs fault again. Or was it the OL’s fault? I forget which lame duck excuse we’re using for our QB now
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Nov 28, 2011 4:06 AM CST up reply actions
Smoke another one
Palco SUCKED…he SUCKS. Neither Breaston nor BOWE were at fault for EITHER interception. I was THERE, i wasn’t listening to the dorks on TV. Bowe had 3 GUYS on him when Palco THREW the ball to him, the minute he released it that direction i said, “Interception”
Ill say it again, if Haley wants to have Man Crushes with guys who can’t make it in the NFL or who SUCK so bad that the TEAMS gives up on him, then he needs to go. I like Haley but i am FED UP
huh?
i agree with everyone else’s comments. The defense kept the Chiefs in this game. Plain and simple.
It is interesting to look at that last Chiefs play. Bowe did call for it, and Palko thought it meant he was going deep. Personally, I would have taken that body language the same way. That is just a lack of communication and lack of chemistry. I do wish Bowe attempted to hit the ball away with his hand.
Overall, the Chiefs just play undisciplined. Silly penalties, poor throws, poor routes. The one that was the killer was when Battle ran into Brecht (?). Next week should be interesting…will Orton play against his former team? KC has a chance to steal a win.
I didn't say. . .
Palko kept them in the game, I said he did enough to win!! Tebow is horrible but he does enough to win, because the players around him step up. I know Palko sucks and 4 turnovers is not going to get it done, however “I” feel like they can not all be placed on him alone. A muffed snap can happen to any QB. The one INT was horrible and went straight to the DB, the one to Breaston as I said before he just sat and you can’t do that in a zone. The last one to Bowe, if you call for it and you’re the #1 and the QB is third string at best then you better expect the ball. Who knows what the route was supposed to be, a go or a post?
by Chiefsfan_in_the_MileHigh on Nov 28, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Here's how I would shape this team up:
Keep the coaching staff intact for the most part. If we’re able to lure away a good OC we need to do it. RC has proved that even when his defense is on the field the whole night they can still produce.
Give Haley a quarterback. Not a QB from another team, but his own to groom. One that can prosper in HALEY’S system, not someone else’s as soon as he enters the NFL. I don’t care if we trade next years first rounder, we need to take some chances.
Upgrade our nose tackle, interior line, right tackle and ILB. A dominant line and defense would do wonders for a rookie QB.
And most of all, spend the cash we have on our guys that deserve it. I’m talking mainly about Bowe. Flowers, charles, and Johnson all bought into Haley’s system an they were rewarded. Bowe deserves it just as much as they do. Replacing Bowe with a suspect Baldwin will set us back.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Bowe kind of grew alligator arms on that last play.
by OJ In Nevada on Nov 28, 2011 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
That ball was insanely over thrown
And I’m sure bowe didn’t think his QB would throw it to him with 4 defenders around him. That throw shouldn’t have been made. And any coach would tell the receiver NOT to try and make that catch.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 28, 2011 1:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They made a big deal of Bowe giving the high sign...
however, I think they forgot that the Pittsburgh defenders saw the same sign. That’s why there were 4 of them there. Bowe did the unselfish thing (IMO) and tried to draw the coverage away from the other WRs. Larry Fitzgerald does the same thing, as did Chris Carter in his days.
At the end of the day, Palko has to make a better decision. I’d like to see a replay that shows Breaston and Baldwin on that play. To see if they were open or not.
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by citadelchief on Nov 28, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
That's exactly what I said to my brother
Ive seen Moss do it a thousand times. Of course Palko is going to zone in on our number one option on offense. The defense was already keyed in on him. I believe he was trying to draw the attention off the other receivers. Which it did. Palko just didn’t understand.
by SoCalChief17 on Nov 28, 2011 1:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A different approach (and what I believe Haley/Pioli are thinking)
This team still has plenty of holes to fill. We’re seeing that now that so much of our depth chart is being called upon. Haley and Pioli are building a roster that they can bring a QB into without him having to carry the team.
OT, OG, C, and TE all need help. That’s every position on the line. There isn’t a QB in the world who is going to succeed from their back. However, we have gotten set at WR and in our backfield. They are working towards providing QBOTF with a quality team to lead.
It’s what happened for Tom Brady. Those Patriot teams had strong rosters. That allowed Brady to develop into a great QB. He didn’t start out great, he developed into great.
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To counter
There is only two positions I think warrant a top 10 pick unless you are a stacked team: QB, OT, or pass rusher. I’ll cede safety for that once in a decade player like Berry might be.
There isn’t an OT nor pass rusher in this year’s draft worthy of that elite status, imo. I haven’t dove too far into the draft yet, but Kalil is really the only one I hear mentioned regularly as the best prospect, and it doesn’t sound like he is a world beater, Jake Long/Orlando Pace mold. I no nothing about pass rushers this year, but haven’t heard of that Von Miller level player yet.
That leaves QB. One of the best classes in a while. While it’s unlikely we get Luck, I would take RG3, Barkley, or Landry in the top ten and not look back. Even if it’s determined that our o-line is going to get him killed, then you start Cassel, Orton, whoever, year one, and keep building. We HAVE to have the QBOTF in place going into next year, and since we are obviously not going to see what Stanzi has, it’s time for some high quality QB pedigree to be drafted by this franchise for the first time in a long while
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You are so right. The main player on your team is the QB so why dont they draft one in the first round?
To build a top team every new coach will draft a top name QB out of the draft. Then build the team around them. Id love to see them draft RGIII. He has control where he throws the ball. Has the brains to learn how to read deffence. Tired of watching every team around draft a first round QB but the Chiefs.
by OJ In Nevada on Nov 28, 2011 2:30 AM CST up reply actions
Kalil is definitely a top pass protector, and a "world beater"
As for pass rushers, I’d say Courtney Upshaw or Quinton Coples are you’re guys. However neither is really worth a top 10 pick.
As for the QBs, who knows who stays and who goes. Luck is a lock, Barkley probably is too, but besides that it’s wide open.
Everybody always says its the best class for something, last year it was WRs(Blackmon, Floyd, Green, Jones, Baldwin all were supposed to come out together and were considered first round prospects) now its QBs.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 AM CST up reply actions
True
Nothing is certain on who will come out besides Luck at this point. Regardless though, it doesn’t change my point: if those QBs are available to us in this draft, there isn’t another player/position that would be more of a fit of need and BPA for this team
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 28, 2011 3:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think / hope we have seen the last of Palko.
He’s an practice squad quaterback at best. Or mybe arena football.
not if Haley has anything to say about it
check his postgame
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You got to be jokin. He sounds like he's going to start Palko,
This coach is planing on starting Palko again. He just threw 3 Int’s and had one fumble. If he starts Palko against Chicago I’ll never buy season tickets. And this coach should be fired.
by OJ In Nevada on Nov 28, 2011 2:51 AM CST up reply actions
I honestly think
any QB we draft in the first round whether its Griffin III, Barkeley, or Moore will look great with the weapons we have already assembled. Btw, Siler could be a very good option for us as ILB although I’m not sure if he will be entirely healthy.
Haley said Tyler is the starter in his interview.
Is this guy crazy? Palko is no NFL Quaterback period. I was all for Haley keeping his job but if he starts Palko Sunday I can’t see him winning a game this year. News Flash Haley you might not be here next year if you don’t win at least one game down the stretch and I don’t see one that Palko can win.
But our QBOTF is already on the roster
And his name is Stanzi the Manzi.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Been a fan 4 forty yrs
Did somebody cut off Stanzis arms and Haleys balls? Jesus! Somebody is sure awful proud of Palko, unemployment is next Haley! WOW!
" It's often better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission"
Everyone going crazy on the postgame
With Haley saying Palko is the starter…Did you all just crawl out from under a rock? Haley lies at his press conference all the time just to mess with peoples heads, in the media, opposition coaches, his own players, whatever. If he says Palko is the starter Orton is going to know he has to bust his ace to get a chance as an NFL QB. If he doesn’t get on the field this season Orton’s career as a potential starter with a big check is totally over, the draft will take care of that.
Of course Haley is gonna say Palko is the starter when Orton has been to one total practice and was inactive…
by KCLynchMob on Nov 28, 2011 3:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
feel free to cite an example or two
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the man who continues to get no love...Jovan Belcher
people seem to want to replace him so much….yet overlook that hes the exact type of punishing run stopping ILB that we can use in certain sets. hes improving as a player, the guy was a darn defensive end at maine. give him time
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Belcher does play light out on stopping the run
But, he was <> this close to a sack and got juked by BIg Ben last night. His coverage skills need quite a bit of work too.
I'm not a smart man
give him time? HAHAHAHA
He’s been on this team for numerous years now, how much time do you give a ILB? Until our elite players are past their prime?
The Guy is a backup
by chiefnation on Nov 28, 2011 7:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude
Belcher is done. He’s had his time. Getting juked by Big, Fat Ben is the death knell. Thanks for playing, Jovan. Next!
Happens to the best of them
My gramps was saying “Rothlisburglar looks like he’s 200 Lbs in the pocket, how does he always do it?”
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
How can be a punishing run stopper LB
When he’s always missing tackles, I’ve seen DJ clean up plays he’s whiffed on multiple times.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Giving T Jax props?
For what, getting single blocked by a TE and not getting any push or pressure on the QB.
Dorsey and T Jax are flat out pathetic at getting qb pressure.
by chiefnation on Nov 28, 2011 7:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
THIS
thisthisthisthisthis!
TJax has improved. The knock on him has been that he’s too easily single blocked. Know what? Last night was no different. Only this time it was a TE. That is embarrassing.
Yet I've seen multiple times where he's required attention of double teams, and those are linemen not RBs/TEs
You can’t be perfect all the time.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
cassel wins this game
Hands down. By any means I am not a fan boy but you all talk about that our offensive line sucking, any quarterback outside of big Ben and a few of the other running qb’s has to have time and when you don’t you don’t play well. Matt cassel is Tom Brady without an offensive line. Screw drafting a quarterback draft o-lineman.get that into shape and you can call Elvis gerback and tell him we want him and even he could stand back there and pick the d apart.
by kcchiefs3680 on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Trade Glenn Dorsey...period!
Replace him with….Gordon. on MNF he played DE and got a sack. On SNF he played NT and he got a sack.
That tells me, a penetrating DE is better than one just taking up blockers. I didn’t see Dorsey do anything. When Gordon was in the game, he went right up the middle for sack along with Houston. That’s what KC needs on this from 3.
Gordon/Powe/Gregg — I like that line, it does 2 things…1) Eats up blockers or 2) collapses the pocket and gets sacks. Gordon >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dorsey
So you're starting Gregg at end?
Where’s Tyson Jackson? I think you need to re-think this plan a bit.
I don't see the "abundant" talent
When there are guys that play regularly like 59, 47, 42, 20, 88, 45, 67, any of the QBs, there is a huge talent issue. Also, understand that the safety play has been so atrocious they had to move 34 to safety to make up for the overall waste of sperm that is 27. This team has GIANT holes to fill. More than Charles, Berry and Moeaki will accomplish.
Back to the DEs, they are also pissing me off. I understand that in Romeo’s scheme, they aren’t “supposed” to rush the passer. The scheme needs a tweak then and so does the personnel. TJax and Dorsey get single blocked FAR too often. If those ends don’t force the opposition to double them, the team is screwed.
how can you even post that.
The defense played lights out football last night. I’m not sure what more you expect. Ben was pressured all night and the secondary played really well. We got pressure up front and the receivers made some great catches and even better throws. Thats not on the chiefs d. With Berry back this d is dangerous. Dj is playing the best football I’ve seen since d. Thomas
by kcchiefs3680 on Nov 28, 2011 9:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Please understand
that Pittsburgh isn’t the beast that they have been. Offensively, they haven’t been setting any records. Sure, the D played very well last night. Here’s your cookie. I’m not high on the moral victories deal. There were a number of plays that good defenses make that this team did not make last night. We cannot simply sit here and view everything from the vantage of the mediocrity that we are used to. We have to expect more to achieve more.
But they still got Big Ben
And their WRs are pretty damn good.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 28, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
I both agree and disagree on the talent thing.
There are a lot of good building blocks on this roster, both on defense and offense. I think your point lends itself more to the lack of depth. You wouldn’t see much of guys like Washington, Becht and Sabby if others were healthy.
The good thing is, while the Chiefs are lacking in depth, they are relatively set at most of their starting positions moving into next season apart from QB and OL (in my opinion anyway). That has not been the case in a while. That should finally allow Pioli to start drafting depth (which he already has in a way) after his first few picks. I still think this team is moving in the right direction.
Paul Soliai will be a FA
along with Shawn Rogers and, everyone’s fav, Aubrayo Franklin. After a year of learning some humility in NO, maybe Crennel can bring Franklin back to the basics. Then again maybe not. Point is, we need help at NT and depth as well.
I guess I’m missing where all the love for Palko and Sabby comes from. If it wasn’t obvious why nobody wants them (except the Chiefs), then it sure is now.
QB, ILB, S. That’s how I hope the draft goes. Seriously. We can add NT depth and find a RT, who we just might have to pay some money for, but so what? We have the money, go spend it and start being proactive in making this team a perennial winner. RG3, Barkley, even “Lance” Jones are better options than what we have currently.
RG3 is my favorite choice but that’s just my opinion.
RG3, its easy as ABC.
Not sure how you go after nose tackle of all things after last night.
Gregg played fine and I’d rather take a look at Powe before going after a high pick or pricey free agent. The NT isn’t going to play a ton in this scheme anyways (they play nickel a ton and there’s a lot of four man fronts).
I’d say QB and the o-line are really the spots that need major upgrades. Every other position group would probably be fine with a cosmetic/depth upgrade. I’d probably like to see QB, OL, TE, OL followed by some depth picks at S, ILB, OLB, DL, OL.
Gregg isn't getting any younger
and Powe never gets to see the field. I like Gregg. So why not put a rotation with another experienced vet that can help Powe grow into the role?
Gregg might be able to go one more year, so bringing in Soliai would benefit us more than hurt us. Not to mention his price would not be as significant, because he’s not playing at the level he use to. Sounds like a negative, but in this situation, I think its something we can capitalize on and turn into a positive.
So my question is, why not go after quality depth at a position critical to making our D tick?
RG3, its easy as ABC.
Really agree and was thinking the along the same lines last night.
There’s a lot of good building blocks on this team to work with. The defense already looks good and could be a top-10 type of defense over the course of the season with a few small improvements and some added depth. The offense has some nice playmakers, but clearly needs a QB to harness those playmakers and probably some improvements along the line to give that QB more time. I’d be willing to roll with Orton, and even Cassel, for a year or 10-12 weeks to help develop a rookie.
QB – Orton/Cassel, draft pick, Stanzi
RB – Charles, McCluster, Battle
FB – McClain (if he wants to come back)
WR – Bowe (assuming he’s re-signed or at the very least franchised), Baldwin, Breaston
TE- Moeaki, draft pick (I’d love to see them take a TE somewhere before round 5 and run more two TE sets like NE)
OT – Albert, Richardson (could use some upgrade here)
OG – Asamoah, draft pick or FA (Never been a big fan of Albert to G, but I might consider moving him here if they can find a solid LT)
C – Hudson
DE – Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Gilberry (could be gone in FA)
NT – Powe, Gordon
OLB – Hali, Houston (could use depth)
ILB – Johnson, Belcher (could use depth)
CB – Flowers, Carr (assuming he’s retained), Arenas, Brown
S – Berry, Lewis (depth)
I was at the game last night...
…and a lot of the things I saw have already been taken apart and disseminated, so I will just touch on a few brief things.
-The defense did indeed played hard. It was the first time I’d seen anything remotely looking like a pass rush this year. Also, they started calling holding on Tamba Hali’s guy a lot more often, which is a good sign.
-Palko…well, he was Palko. ’Nuff said.
-It was almost like being at an away game last night with the number of Terrible Towels being waved, but everybody was having fun. I went with three other friends, all Steelers fans, and we all had a good time. Gotta say, it’s great when you can have a good time with with the opposing team’s fans.
All in all, in a good game and not at all the mudhole stomping (insert Suh joke here) that I was expecting. After watching it last night and reading it this morning, I feel a little bit better about what we have right now. But the biggest change that we need, behind the QB position, is in the coaching staff. Once we get that and the QB spot figured out, everything else will fall into place. O-Lines and getting a Pass Rush will be easy in comparison. Coaching wins and loses games before you even snap the ball. FWIW, I think last night cemented Palko’s departure along with Haley’s after the season is over.
Proud Bronco and Raider Hater since 1980.
If Haley goes...
I’m done as a season ticket holder. I don’t know why anyone would want to set this franchise back ANOTHER 3-5 years by changing coaching staff.
FWIW, the steelers fans around me all seemed a little classless. When they started doing the tomahawk chop after they won, they just looked like idiots. Get your own cheer. Not the worst fans ever, but definitely not the best.
I agree...
Haley should not be on the chopping block. These guys play hard for him. If you expected this team to win a ton of games without Charles, Berry, Moeaki and now Cassel, you are crazy. And if you are going to fire a coach for not winning with a team that you didn’t expect him to win with, you’re also crazy.
by polodude017 on Nov 28, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't expect the team to win a bunch without those guys,
But I did expect to have a competent back up QB, There for I think Haley should be on the chopping block. Palko does not deserve a roster spot.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
You want to fire a coach because his backup QB sucks?
You could probably fire 95% of the coaches in the league for that.
I agree they should have gotten a veteran backup as opposed to relying on Palko, but with the lockout and shortened training camps, I understand the logic behind keeping a guy who has spent some time in your system.
by polodude017 on Nov 28, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
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