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DBowe did nothing wrong or Collinsworth is an ass.

That ball was so far overthrown that he thought it was going to someone else. Thus he tried to stay out of the way. DBowe was then slandered by that dumbass Collinsworth on national tv. F the sports media.

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They have to ignore the rest of the season when he's the only dude doing anything.

If this team lets him go they deserve the suckfest they will continue to be.

by bossmanham on Nov 27, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Chris Collinsworth, I think he has great insight on a lot of things

But I agree that the Bowe comments were both wrong and inappropriate.

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 27, 2011 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

Unless Bowe

is the guy off Street Fighter with the extending arms, there is no chance he makes that play.

by TheFifthDimension29 on Nov 27, 2011 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

And by make that play

I mean deflect/touch/catch the ball

by TheFifthDimension29 on Nov 27, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Bowe should have made an effort to at least knock the ball down

Bowe will probably miss it by 10 feet but at least he can say “I gave it an effort” – in this world “perception is reality” and it looked like Bowe didnt give a shit. The D – all 5 of them – weren’t going to kill Bowe (surprisingly so), so that’s why he should have tried.

by Ren on Nov 28, 2011 12:08 AM CST reply actions  

He should have tried...

He was running the other direction, and in this league if you throw it behind your receiver even by half an arms length, it would take an incredible play for a completion. The pass was also very high… I honestly think Bowe had no idea Palko was going to throw it that far away from him and was very surprised by the location of the throw. I saw alot of effort from him when he caught the ball on the ground for the first down, and also when he did a lengthy tight rope routine as well. Must be incredibly frustrating for our WR’s to know they are probably one of the most talented WR corps in the NFL, and they are labeled inclusively in our terrible Offense when it is just because of our terrible QB play that has screwed them over.

by andrew33 on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 AM CST reply actions  

sorry

i meant I think he would have tried if the throw was so far away from where a WR would expect the ball to be from a QB who needs to complete the 4th down to have a chance to win.

by andrew33 on Nov 28, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

to me

it honestly looked like bowe thought there was another reciever deeper than him and that he pulled his hand back thinking the ball wasnt intended for him. That is truly how piss poor that ball was thrown.

by wren42 on Nov 28, 2011 12:20 AM CST reply actions  

i thought the same thing but then how could he be so clueless to not know what was going on around him

either way, i don’t entirely put the blame on him. Palko, Becht, or Bowe all could have contributed to that loss from an offensive point of view

by worc on Nov 28, 2011 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

This is Muir calling the plays

so who knows if he even called on in the playbook. lol

Plus, players can improvise routes so we just don’t know what Bowe was thinking in that situation. It was sailing though.

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 28, 2011 3:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand.

Bowe is the best player not on IR, and has made some incredible effort-catches before, yet this one time, when the ball was way over his head, is enough evidence to show he doesn’t care and that we shouldn’t re-sign him? Look at that catch against Indy. Is that a player who doesn’t care?

Besides, I would imagine a you’d coach him not to go for a ball thrown that high. You have almost no chance of catching it, and tipping it would almost always result in an interception. If anything Bowe made the right move by letting it go and hoping it would simply be incomplete.

by wustl_chiefs_fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 AM CST reply actions  

And you're assuming he doesn't.

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Nov 28, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

With our offense as it stands now,

why would he want to come back? If he has a chance to play with a real QB, I think he takes it.

Live Adventure!

by MountainManMike on Nov 28, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Um...

It’s called putting the ball in your playmakers hands when the game is on the line. Teams do it all the time in the NFL. You should get out more often.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Dec 2, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

What if Bowe reached for the ball?

Then he gets lit up and joins his friends on IR the rest of the year. And If he tips it, it’s still picked off with the entire Steelers secondary covering him. Where’s the complaints about Palko leaving his best receiver out to dry? That ball should not have been thrown in the first place.

by chiefnc on Nov 28, 2011 9:16 AM CST reply actions  

Was going to do a separate post, but there's already a good discussion here.

Been re-watching that play a lot. The more I watch it, the more I’m inclined to agree that Collinsworth’s analysis was completely wrong. And unfortunately, the vast majority of people watching heard his words and just started repeating them instead of really looking for themselves. (Not an uncommon trait these days, but that’s another discussion).

Here’s the video replay:
Link

It looks a lot like bad chemistry as well as inaccuracy. Bowe has no feel for Palko due to a lack of reps with the guy. Palko and Bowe can’t anticipate each other very well through nobody’s fault but fate. Palko also just is badly inaccurate beyond about 10 yards. So miscommunication plus a bad throw doomed this play top to bottom.

There are plenty around who scoff at chemistry and think QB and WR don’t need a rapport. For those who think that, I present this play:

Link

When the play breaks down, Branch and Brady know each other well enough to anticipate each other’s abilities and tendencies to do a quick backyard football style adjustment and turn a busted play into a huge gain. That’s chemistry. That’s rapport. Plus having a QB that can make an accurate throw 20 yards downfield. It’s not even a great throw. It’s a good throw with great anticipation by the WR and the QB.

It’s that understanding of each other that makes Brady to Branch, Brady to Welker, Brady to Hernandez / Gronk (already) such great combinations. On timing routes, Brady knows exactly where his receiving targets will be. His receivers / TE’s know exactly where the throw is going to be, and when.

Even when things break down on a play for those guys, communication can be a finger point, a wink or a nod away, and the other guy just knows what to do.

With our situation, there’s just no rapport between the QB and the receivers. Bowe is a better receiver than Branch. Breaston is probably almost (but not quite) as good. Our QB is pretty bad. Cassel lacks the overall accuracy to really develop that kind of rapport as well, but nowhere near the deficiency that Palko has.

Getting that kind of adaptability requires a lot of reps for the QB and receiving targets to really know each other, coupled with ability. Honestly, Palko doesn’t have enough ability to make me want to get him enough reps to develop that rapport.

So the media blasting of Bowe for that is short-sighted in my opinion. It looks like Bowe thinks the throw is going to someone else, or was just so far off the mark that he was baffled. Maybe Bowe ran his route a little differently than Palko anticipated as well. As are most things in life, it’s probably a combination of things. But a good throw there leads Bowe and hits him in stride as he’s cutting back toward the middle.

So at the very worst, it was a miscommunication with Bowe and a bad throw. And that’s a worst case scenario (looking at Bowe).

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 9:17 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Would you PLEASE stop debunking

these emotional, unfounded comments made in the media and parroted by the dim-witted masses already? If you keep it up, there simply will be nothing to talk about. :)

Rec.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Dec 2, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Collingsworth is a Chode

Thats whats wrong with the media and ex players that are bent out of shape cuz they never made it… they talk out of thier asses cuz they have a mic..

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Nov 28, 2011 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

Questions

In looking at the play again, it really did seem like Bowe was putting his arms down to protect himself.

Could he have possibly touched, tipped, caught the ball? Not a chance.

Should he have tried? Yes.

Did he think there was another Chiefs receiver that the ball was going to? No way. He knew he was the furthest man downfield.

Did Bowe signal that he was going deep by raising his arm? Yes.

Is that why Palko threw it where he did? Kind of – Palko was obviously not expecting Bowe to cut and turn where he did, but if Palko was expecting him to keep going deep, Palko actually underthrew the ball. Palko needs to use his shakeweight more to increase his armstrength.

Is Collinsworth completely annoying? Absolutely.

Huzzah! Fantasy football has returned, allowing me to slap my opponents (family members) across the face with my favorite pair of white satin gloves. En garde, monkeys!

by The Gentry on Nov 28, 2011 9:49 AM CST reply actions  

Sorry,

from FAILKO’s viewpoint on the replay there was no way Bowe could have gotten a hand on that ball, it was to high and to far behind him. Collinsworth was being a jackass IMO!

by Tooner on Nov 28, 2011 10:00 AM CST reply actions  

Bowe raised his hand for the ball

Which indicates he is going deep. Of course it was a bad throw, but Bowe should have gone straight instead of slanting. Which KC receiver did he think was behind him? No one. That is why he raised hand to go deep and then just let the ball sail past him without any effort to knock it down. May have been picked anyway, but you have to try.

by chief66 on Nov 28, 2011 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

Eh, the hand flag can mean different things.

It can mean “my route is opening up!” or if it’s an option route it can mean “plan B” or numerous other things. It’s no guarantee of “hey, I’m switching to a go route”. Though it can be one of many things that hand flag indicates.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

It seemed to mean fly route to Palko.

They way he was crying after the play. Total miscommunication on both players.

by Chiefsfanindonkeyland on Nov 28, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on the miscommunication.

Discussed in a bit more depth here.

Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!

by TRSChief on Nov 28, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you know Bowe wasn't trying to draw coverage....

He very well could have raised his hand to draw the extra coverage so Baldwin and Breaston could have done something. Palko should look at the coverage around the receiver before throwing. The Steelers aren’t blind and know Bowe is our #1 receiver so he could have raised his hand purposefully to draw them in. Who knows? What I do know is that Palko should not have thrown that ball regardless.

by Knightwolfbr on Nov 28, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I AGREE!!

collinsworth doesn’t know what bowe was thinking.

my theory is that he didn’t want to tip the ball up in the air because it was over his head (it was; we all saw it!) and the safety would normally be in position to grab any tipped balls. but the ball was thrown so ineptly, the safety read it all the way. bowe probably had no idea that palko would throw to him if he was in triple coverage and thought the safety would be in his d… you get it.

ps. baldwin came open on the left side of the field right before palko loaded up for his heave.

pps. cassel would have thrown it away immediately.

ppps. stanzi! stanzi! stanzi!

Tony Richardson, we hardly knew ye...

by LaPointer on Nov 28, 2011 11:36 PM CST reply actions  

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