2012 Chiefs: The Burfict Match
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Hindsight:
We all remember our talentless team of the past so lets not bring up those memories.
Beggining of the season I was excited about our potential roster. I even liked the undrafted free-agents we had before we cut the majority of them so we can keep guys like Donald Washington, Piscitelli, Q. Lawrence and Langford. With the weapons Cassel had in the pre-season and week one and two, it became apparent Cassel is not our QB of the future. I like the guy, I like how passionate he is when he makes a first down.. when he makes a first down. After a few injuries it becomes obvious our lack of depth.
Foresight 2012 Chiefs Personnal-
Draft-
Note: Depending on what happens in free-agency will effect our draft. QB, QB, QB, the only QB I want in the draft is Andrew Luck but that most likely will not happen. If Barkley miraculously falls to the second I'm all for it. If I want pizza I want pizza, not a 'Pepperoni Hot Pocket' unless its free. I know, bad analogy, but we just picked up Orton, we have Stanzi, and Cassel is still under contract. Orton at the beggining of the season was on the trade block and can still have value. Cassel has some value although he is paid too much for a back-up. If my dreams can come true we would trade Cassel, T-Jax and This years 1st Round, next years first round and following years 1st rounder for Luck (which is impossible) that would be a steal for the Stanford Quarterback.
Back to reallity - We need O-Line help, D-Line help, depth in the secondary and front seven. 1st round, if we don't get an elite OT like Martin from Stanford, we should draft MLB Vontae Burfict Arizona State, instant stud, think Derrick Johnson but faster, good run stuffer, fast, can cover, and hes fast. Did I mention he's fast. This guy runs half speed at times and he is still one of the fastest looking guys on the field. He takes over in the middle and Jovan Belcher becomes good depth. This pick makes our Linebacking corp the best in the West. Burfict can rush the passer and can move over to rush OLB in 4-3 look and in a inventive defense can be moved to safety or cornerback for mis-matches, ie. Adalius Thomas Baltimore Ravens 2005-2006. 2nd round we get CB Janoris Jenkins N. Alabama or CB Chase Minnifield Virginia. I know we got B. Flowers and B. Carr but we may not re-sign Carr, or we 'franchise' him and trade him. Best case scenario, we re-sign B. Carr and we have a great rookie CB to compete, rotate and possibly take a starting job. Rotational guys are important and with the height disadvantage of B. Flowers and J. Arenas, both rookies have good height. Potentially nasty secondary. (Honestly, I would like to have B. Flowers rotate to Safety once in awhile. He is a nasty hitter in the running game and I like his zonee skill) 3rd round or trade back into 2nd for NT Alameda Ta’amu, Washington or NT Dontari Poe Memphis, Massive men to rotate with and compete with Jerrel Powe if no free-agent acquired. 3rd round we get C Peter Kontz Wisconson or C William Vlachos Alabama. Weigmen is fading and needs to be replaced. I know we have Hudson but who ever is better gets the job and the other competes with Lilja or is great depth.. Say Bye to T. Jax or Dorsey. 4th Round we get a steal - Jared Crick - Knee Injury will drop this under-sized DT to 4th round and he will play DE in our 3-4. 5th round OT or TE for depth purposes. I don't know how Jake O'Connell is still on this team. His dad must know one of the coaches. 6th round RB, Montee Ball will unlikely make it this far, but Wisconsins RB from last year, John Clay went undrafted. Also, undersized LaMichael James just got injured and may or maynot free fall do to his size, collegiate workload and the percieved potential for being injury prone. 7th round we get an under-sized QB Russel Wilson to compete with who ever we retain at QB. We also will get a Compensatory pick for Orton and whatever free agent we don't re-sign. So before you make me count the mock draft picks I did take the compensatory picks into account and the fact Pioli should have a great draft with plenty of moves.
Free Agency -
Players we may or maynot re-sign - Bowe, Carr, and Richardson.
Free-Agents to fill said vacancies if they don't get re-signed by their respective teams - WR Reggie Wayne Ind, WR Pierre Garcon Ind, WR Wes Welker NE, WR Vincent Jackson SD, WR DeSean Jackson Phi, CB-Terrell Thomas NYG, CB-Tracy Porter NO, O-Line - OG Carl Nicks NO, OG Ben Grubbs Bal, C Hartwick SD. Free-Agents that can contribute - NT Paul Solai Mia, NT Aubrayo Franklin NO, DE Mario Williams Tex.
Forgive my spelling and inconsistent punctuation.I'll get better if I continue and I will continue if the readers demand more reading material for moments of the mundane.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Tracy Porter would be a good pick up, as we do need another corner who is capable of contributing. But d-line is up there with the qb play how many sacks does our d-line have all year? I bet it is under five.
by Overdawaynebowe on Nov 27, 2011 3:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
So Tjax is finally starting to produce and you want to trade him?
Burfict, no thanks. Wayyy to inconsistent, either plays lights out or you do not see him do anything until he blows up
CB Janoris Jenkins N. Alabama or CB Chase Minnifield Virginia-Minnifield would be great in the second, not Jenkins, and he is only 5-10.. not much of a height gain over Flowers or Arenas
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
I haven't seen him play
And seeing how Pioli and Haley dislike yo-yos….
That said, isn’t that why the team is littered with captains? Didn’t DJ get his act together?
Just playin some devil’s advocate
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by chief Stevie_k on Nov 27, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
BAMF....you are so right about Burfict
………………….he gives up on plays all the time, not to mention he has issues with his temper. He is very talented but IMO over hyped and way too risky. I’ll pass.
"What we've got here is.......failure......to communicate."
He has a hell of a lot of potential, don't get me wrong
For awhile I thought it would have been a great pick for us if we were picking in the middle of the first. Having watched a lot of his tape this year, I have not seen much growth and he seems even MORE hesitant to attack after all of his fouls, which in turn works against him as he will blow up sooner or later.
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 28, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Yep.....almost like a split personality
…………..he is either all in or all out. He can’t seem to play on an even keel. I just have a feeling he will be a huge headache for somebody. Hopefully not The Chiefs, they have enough headaches with injuries,etc. They don’t need personality troubles.
"What we've got here is.......failure......to communicate."
Resign Carr and Bowe .. trade Richardson
We need a good RG which would be my first rnd pick, next is a safety. Depending on how they finish we need to evaluate both Dorsey and TJ. I like both of them but they haven’t played at a level equal to their draft positions. We have to do a better job stopping the run and putting pressure on the QB. Whether it’s the draft or FA we have got to improve the level of play on the Chief’s. No more stupid penalties and more consistent play across the board.
Why trade BRich when he would be more valuable as a young swing tackle?
We need a good LG not RG…
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 27, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Would love Burfict in the 2nd round
He’s just to inconsistent and penalty-prone to spend a top 10 pick on.
Him and DJ could do work though, and if we limit his style of play to crashing the line and playing in zone I think he could excel.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Definite upgrade over Belcher for sure
No doubt about that.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 27, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Kuechly is a much better player
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 27, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
MLB prospect
Kuechly isn’t bad. Manti Te’o is good too. Te’o is great in coverage as well as defending the run. I look at Burfict though as a great linebacker with no D-Line to keep blockers off of him. If he had a D-line he would be a Patrick Willis type playmaker, because he’s athletic enough to play any LB position. Thats why we need to sure up our D-Line. I don’t care if our 3-4 D-Line has no sacks but they get moved off the ball way to easily and don’t command a double team the way 3-4 D-Linemen are suppose to, not allowing our LB’s to make plays.
he's overrated
Kuechly didn’t have a d line either.he has better instincts
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 27, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if he fits our scheme though.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 27, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
how about the scheme fitting the player
this team is to handcuffed by ideoligy
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 27, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
When we start running a 4-3 hit me up
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 27, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Jerad Krick is not going in the 4th round
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 27, 2011 6:41 PM CST reply actions
Good chance he will.
Late 2nd/early 3rd based on his mediocre playing this year. He wasn’t the same without Suh. Add a serious knee injury? 4th rd is definitely a possibility.
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by citadelchief on Nov 27, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
according to who?
he’s still a 1st rounder on every list ive seen.
you say late 2nd/early 3rd…then have the chiefs picking him in the 4th? your math doesnt add up
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 27, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what boards you've been looking at.
Crick doesn’t make the top 32 for CBS, WalterFootball, or ESPN.
He was a preseason 1st rd projection, but hasn’t played well this year. He has steadily fallen ever since Suh graduated.
He has fallen to bottom 2nd to top 3rd on almost every board out there. And when you add in the fact that he had a season ending knee injury, his stock falls even further. So yes, 4th rd is very possible. You need to read more carefully.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 28, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Evolving my plan some, 4-12 picking 6th
Resign Carr and D Bowe.
Sign LT Demetrius Bell (Buf), TE Jacob Tamme (Indy), QB Matt Flynn (GB)
Trade down with Cleveland for their second first rounder which should be around 19, we get also get their #42, Then drop again to #28 with NE, we also get their #55.
Cleveland moves up so they get Trenton Richardson and Coples. NE jumps up to get Safety TJ McDonald.
Draft:
R1 #28 NT Josh Chapman-Alabama
R2 #38 ILB Manti Te’o-Notre Dame
R2 #42 G David DeCastro-Stanford
R2 #55 FS Markelle Martin-Oklahoma State
R3 #70 DE Jaye Howard-Florida
R4 #102 C Ben Jones-Georgia
R5 #134 TE David Paulson-Oregon
R6 #166 RB Vick Ballard-Miss. St
R7 #198 SS Brandon Taylor-LSU
Comp pick- QB Case Keenum-Houston
O line LT Bell, LG DeCastro, C Hudson, RG Asomoah, RT Alberts
LB Corp is Hali, Te’o, DJ, Houston looks great
DE Howard is a 3-4 / 4-3 tweener, but he gets a great push.
Powe and Poe rotate at the Nose.
Secondary improves with Martin
Cassel and Flynn will compete behind a better line with a additional weapon in Tamme.
Jones, Paulson and Ballard add great depth with potential.
These moves and welcoming back Charles, Berry and Moeaki, should send us back to a Divison title and then a playoff win or two.
Also David DeCastro will be gone
by pick 20, he is rated as one of the top Guards to come out in 5+ years
Burfict is a tough SOB
he’s also one of the most penalty prone players in college and its affected his game. Which is why his stock is sliding. I wouldn’t be shocked if Hightower moves past him on draft day. Burfict has a lot of talent, very “Suh-esque” like issues though with anger and aggression.
Suh just cost himself a healthy chunk of change (on top of the pile he’s paid already), and now not only is hurting his team by serving a suspension, but also hurting his team by costing them money. The Lions have to pay 100K because Suh has now passed the 100K dollar fine threshold. Dominate players that are stupid idiots are risky ventures.
RG3, its easy as ABC.
I like Burfict's potential.
But listening to the announcers gab about him, they said he backed off the intensity of his play to avoid getting the penalties (except the good ol’ Burfict kinda resurfaced again last Sat. night against Zona, heheh), and they were saying his fall in production was due to that mostly. They also said (a couple of different pairs of announcers in two separate games, actually) that Ray Ray had been kinda mentoring him the last couple of seasons, too.
So, along with Newsome saying he’s going to actively seek a heir apparent for Ray Ray this draft, and Ray Ray “mentoring” him, I say the Ravens might take him, or even make a move for him if they have to/want to. They would have the luxury to do so, and have Ray Ray teaching and “mentoring” him for a season or two. I’d almost bet money they get Burfict, heh. But, who knows??? But I’d let the Ravens have him, and they can fool with him.
I kinda like Hightower the best for our next ILB. I’m just kinda leary of his size, and playing as part of a great all-round D; kinda leery of the “Ryan Sims” effect with him, I guess. But he’s still my fave. If has the athleticism and skills to go along with that huge size … man I can just dream of watching him trash blockers, smash thru O-lines, and making nasty, crushing tackles for us. Being a hella USC dude, I’d like to see them take a late-round flyer on Galippo, at least. But he’s a Tampa-2 ILB (better in coverage than anything), and Pioli doesn’t hardly draft anyone from the Pac-10; yes, I know Gabe Miller is from Oregon St. Also, Emanuel Acho interests me. But maybe he’s a 4-3 OLB, or a MLB? Like CWP, I agree that Keuchly would probably be best as a 4-3 MLB. And from what I’ve heard about Teo kinda lacking at shedding blocks, maybe he’d be best as a 4-3 MLB too?
Devon Still intrigues me for a Dorsey replacement. Imo, we need to go BIGGER at DE, like almost all the other 3-4 teams have for DE’s – 6’3-6’6, 305-315 Ilbs. But, Keeston Randall interests me too, if he’s a 3rd. guy? Texas has put a lot of linemen in the NFL the last 5-6 years, with varying degrees of success.
As much I like Powe and his story, and want to see him become a kickass NT for us, Pioli still needs to STOP this MUDDLING thru the 3-4 D conversion and get an earlier rd. MONSTER NT, imo. I read Shanahan wanted to just muddle thru making the conversion to a 3-4 D as well, but thankfully for the Redskins, Haslett & Co. finally got it thru his offensively-minded thick skull that drafting and signing FA 3-4 players should be the priority – and then he could draft his offensive toys from the 3rd. rd. on. That’s what Pioli should’ve done back in ‘10 – instead drafting Dex in the 2nd rd, imo. There’s not many prospects … but WTH … Poe, Ta’ amu, or maybe even Chapman would be worth a shot. Yeah, I’ve heard Ta’ amu might be better as a penetrating 4-3 DT, kinda like Phil Taylor … so whatevers??? We still need 2 big NT for depth and rotation if we’re going to stick to a “pure” 2-gapping, Parcells 3-4 … and a BIGGER prototypical 2-gapping DE, too.
If Pioli drafts an OT at all, I’d kinda look for him taking Andrew Datko if his draft stock falls due to his shoulder injury. Pioli seems to like taking chances on injury riddled players if they fall a rd. or two later, and will be cheaper. Datko played in a ZBS at Florida St. with Hudson – so you know they scouted both him and Zebrie Sanders, and he’s gotten the low-down on them from Hudson. If Datko would still be sitting around in the 3rd or 4th due to that shoulder problem, I think that would be even more attractive to Pioli. If Datko returns to to college next year, then whatevers??? Personally, I think they roll with B-Rich and Mims in the comp for RT in TC next season, though. (shrug)
I want DeCastro for our next LG so badly I can taste it … oh well. I’m sure as hell afraid now Pioli will draft an other midget C- like Vachlos-and go with Hudson at LG. If Pioli wanted a midget like Jason Kelce as badly as I read he did, then god help us taking on big Front-7 D’s still if he still wants another midget C, and make Hudson the midget LG. If he does that, then we need to either do what it takes to get Houston’s ZBS OL coach, or his top-notch, up and coming assistant, or something, to teach them how execute it as well the Texans’ ZBS OL does. (smh)
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It all sounds nice but...
you basically chose our first 4 picks to be guys that very likely will all go in the first or early second round…. and why would u trade jackson over dorsey. Jackson is starting to figure it out and is playing better then dorsey and dorsey has much more trade value then jackson, i mean dorsey and 4/5 could fetch us an early 2nd round. I like a LT with the first pick and theres alot of guy i like in the 2nd but if landry jones falls to us in the 2nd we have to take him. He can sit behind cassel for a year or two. I see landry jones as alot like aaron rodgers when he came out, strong arm and athletic just not ready
by tyson_jackson who? on Dec 16, 2011 1:56 PM CST reply actions

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