Patriots Beat Chiefs: Five Good Stats
by Joel Thorman on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM CST
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The score from the Kansas City Chiefs loss to the New England Patriots indicates a blowout -- and it was -- but the Chiefs did some good things given the circumstances, particularly in the first half.
Here's a look at five good stats from Monday Night Football:
0-for-4. The Patriots scoring drives on their first four possessions. We said one of the keys to the game was starting fast and the Chiefs did that defensively by stopping Tom Brady and the Patriots on their first four possessions, including one turnover in that stretch. The Chiefs were in the game after one half because they played good defense for the most part.
3. Sacks by the Chiefs defense. The Chiefs had nine all season entering this game and walked out of the first half with three. From Wallace Gilberry's sack-fumble to Amon Gordon's sack to Tamba Hali getting to Tom Brady, the Chiefs defense showed some pressure in the first half.
25-of-38. Tyler Palko's completion percentage. Considering what I expected, I was impressed with his performance (minus the interceptions, obviously). Palko's offense didn't score any touchdowns but he played as well as you could without putting up points. (Yes, a ringing endorsement.)
6-of-14. Chiefs third down percentage. I could live with that number moving forward. Palko and the Chiefs offense couldn't convert their drives into points but they did show flashes at times of being able to move the ball.
160. Receiving yards from Dwayne Bowe and Steve Breaston. I'm putting this here because I had expected to see the Chiefs take it extremely cautious with Palko and simply dump a bunch of passes into the flat. They didn't take a bunch of shots down field but Palko did move the ball to his receivers.
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I'll keep saying it.
Palko impressed me last night. He made a few dumb mistakes that led to INT’s, but he looked decisive, had poise in the pocket, and was mostly accurate. I want to see how he does against the Steelers before we dismiss him altogether.
Agree, the dude looked sharp
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 22, 2011 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or arm strength.
Which, given his size is understandable, but as big as Cassel is I’ve always been baffled by his lack of throwing muscles.
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
Got to remember though
That this was the patriots secondary…one of the worst in the NFL
I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.
by ChiefRoyal on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It was also his first start
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 22, 2011 12:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the ball definitely took to long to reach the recievers once it left his hand...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
His "play" was fine.
His throws were high school.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here are YOUR STANZI CITY CHIEFS!!
by neiowakcfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Some good stuff
Palko 65% Brady 55%
Thomas Jones 6.0ypc
Pope and O’Connell 3 catches a piece
Wes Welker 2 catches for 22yrds
Arenas 17.8 average on punt returns
Amon Gordon getting 5 tackles and 1 sack in place of Dorsey
Gilberry with a sack and forced fumble
TOP Chiefs 31min Pats 28min
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Just gotta get in the endzone.
That penalty filled punt return made the score look worse than it actually was.
it's not an excuse
and I wasn’t meaning it that way… just that they got run over by the Pats in the 2nd half…
It seemed at times
Like they were to focused on stripping the ball than actually making the tackle.
I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.
by ChiefRoyal on Nov 22, 2011 12:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
NAH …ITS JUST THAT WITHOUT MCGRAW AND BERRY……we have no sure tacklers on the back end…..missed tackles gave GRONKOWSKI those 2 tds…..but it doesn matter….when you get the ball inside NE territory 5 times in the 1st half and come away with 3pts on the road…..its gone be a long night……it was just a matter of time…..
RAWKC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah and take away Gronkowski's two TD
and we might have a game here
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
No way
He broke his full neck on that one TD and kept playing….dude is not human. So his TD’s do not count. Its in the rule book look it up.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
And to think....
We took Dexter McCluster over this monster Gronk.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
We took Moeaki with known injury issues
It was just a big miss…Gronk is a beast
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Moeaki is a stud as well
I wouldnt’ call it a “miss”
but, I keep waiting for KC to get a 2nd TE like NE has…
yeah Hernandez dropped all the way to the 4th round because he liked to smoke...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
I think Gronk may have been on Pioli's radar but thought he could get him later... then paniced when he went off the board and traded up for Moeaki
In hindsight, he should have went for Gronk at Dex’s draft slot
Yeah
After taking Dex, Gronk was taken. Then we took Arenas then Ed Dickson was taken…then Pioli thought he better get a TE.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Just need to listen to me and take the Pac10 ballers
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
really, they took Moeaki over Gronk
if they wanted Gronk they would have taken him, but they targeted and got Moeaki
Not knocking Moeaki....I like him
Just saying I would rather have Gronkowski over McCluster and Arenas
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
McCluster and Arenas were drafted for speed.
We were like the slowest team in modern history before that draft. Pioli was intent on increasing team speed, which he did. Thought he had TE covered in Moeaki as well. Doesn’t always workout as planned.
Which is awesome
until he gets hurt like, oh, his entire college career. I think they screwed the dog in TE evals. I like Moeaki and he has great tools, but we missed out on the “tough as nails” category TE we need.
Also
25 passing completions are the most by the Chiefs since week 10 of last year. November 14 2010. when Cassel threw 33 completions.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Oh and the 3 interceptions
Are the most thrown by the Chiefs since week 2 this season against Detriot.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Interesting
Matt Cassel has only made 25 or more completions twice in his entire Chiefs career. Palko did it on his first start!
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Palko looked much better in the pocket than Cassel ever has.
Coach that decision making into him, and he could be a decent QB.
You need Accuracy and Arm strength?
Cassel has been doing it without both….Now Palko is.
Although we do have a guy with a stud arm sitting on the bench.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Cassel's arm is a cannon compared to Palko's
Not that either is good option, but Palko has the weakest arm I’ve ever seen in an NFL QB.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Stanzi's arm is a cannon
compared to Cassel. Baffling to me why Stanzi isn’t getting his shot yet… could be he’s as dumb as he looks?
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by neiowakcfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Arron rodgers approach?
leave him on the bench a year or two so when he goes out there everything from this offense is in his brain as second nature?
Amon Gordon
A great example of what a 3-4 DE SHOULD be doing. I like Glenn but he just doesn’t seem to be active when we plays, plus he NEVER collapses the pocket. Gordon played inspired football all night. 2-Gapped well, man-handled his OL into the pocket several times forcing Brady to move. He also shucked blockers and made some plays in the run game. We know that our DEs aren’t going to make and tackle records (because of the scheme) but thats no excuse for some of their play this year and last. Won’t be upset if Glenn takes a few weeks to get healthy, there is a reason Shaun Smith was taking PT from Glenn last year. Wish we had Amon and Smith with Gregg, TJax, Dorsey would be a good rotation.
Gilberry still plays for the Chiefs apparently. Good of him to show up, still he doesn’t get that sack if Brady doesn’t make a mistake by stepping up in his direction. He was pass rushing but is just a step slow, if he doesn’t get an amazing get-off and beat the OL outright he gets caught in the trash and is a non-factor.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
I really wish KP was still doing his front 7 analysis
I would love to see how they all graded this week
Seriously???
Are you saying he SHOULDN’T be more active, collapse the pocket, and make more plays? He should do what Dorsey does and just occupy a blocker?
by ClydeTheGlyde on Nov 22, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
That would be fine if there were solid LB's behind him.
That is what the 3-4 is designed for. Unfortunately, we have Belcher and Hali on that side. Hali is one dimensional as a pass rusher and a liability in coverage and run stopping. Belcher is a backup. Have never understood the love for him other than he is from a small college making it big. He just gets blown over by the OL all day. With poor LB’s on that side, having an aggressive Gordon helps a lot.
Several things
Tamba is good against the run, sets the edge well. Not great in pass coverage, neither is Ware, Woodley, Harrison, etc…
Belcher is a good at filling, thats why he plays 1st and 2nd down. He is a sure tackler and scrapes well, runs well. Solid ILB.
What we need is DL taking doubles letting our athletic LBs run free.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Which then comes right back to
our DEs and NT situation. None of them are doing this. By that standard, none of them are good enough to fulfill the requirements of their positional tasks. Upgrade all those positions.
Personally, I agree with you. However, it really hurts to know we are really THAT far from being good.
Disagree totally on the LB's.
Tamba, more often than not, sets an edge way too far out because he is charging across and the big tackles easily kick him way out of the play. He isn’t effectively turning plays back inside to make a difference and he gets dominated when run right at him. Belcher only plays because we don’t have anyone better on the roster. He doesn’t fill very often because he can’t read the play well or get off a block from a guard or a FB.
Gordon does his job
He two-gapped well all night, difference is he actually MADE some plays. I think our other DEs have become so used to not making plays that they don’t try anymore, satisfied with just taking up blockers. Its obvious that Amon wants to do his job AND play some football.
Our biggest problem with the DL is that with the exception of Gregg and TJax (some of the time) NO ONE demands a double team, so we can talk two-gapping, taking up blockers all we want. If we only take up 3 OL with our 3 DL that leave at ELAST 2 free blockers…do the math, we have two LBs for those free guys to block. Throw in a tight-end and you see why Denver ran all over us.
Amon Gordon was getting single blocked (prob cause they thought he was a scrub) so he made plays. Thats how it works, if you don’t get doubled you HAVE to make the play. He did it several times. Was also able to put pressure on the passer. In the 2nd half they started doubling him more and more.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Gordon is always in the action.
Stout against the run and gets pressure. He needs more time in there. Would like to see what Bailey can do as well. Give Jackson a long breather.
Bailey
Not a fan…AT ALL. Horrible technique. Looks lost, no instinct whatsoever.
Calling him “raw” is an understatement, he is like a man-child running around out there. A great athlete no doubt, but we are looking (should be looking) for football players. Thats what NE does and it turns out pretty good for them. Thats why they keep getting hurt and the next guy just steps in and its like nothing happend. They have little Ross Ventrone playing safety for them, a guy who couldn’t hold a candle to Donald Washington athletically, has been cut and re-signed 13 times but he sure as hell knows what coverage to play and is physical.
So jealous of the program they have developed.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
I have to admit...
After the 1st Quarter, they had me believing that they could actually hang with the Patriots. 3 sacks, a turnover, etc. from the defense made me think they were fired up. But then the real Chiefs finally came out. Shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties, not capitalizing on turnovers, blowing coverages, missed tackles, turning the ball over.
I did like how Palko seemed to command the offense and actually ran the no huddle very well for a guy in his first NFL start. I’d like to see what he does the next few games before I can make a judgement on him, in my humble opinion.
Always a fan, win or lose. Go Chiefs!
Fake penalties
And then the Patriots commit penalties and they aren’t called.
Hmm….
Sounds like some refs had some money on the game. Can’t let us cover the spread.
I am surprised with a lot of the anger in other threads today
Everyone expected a blowout and we actually competed for longer than people expected. Yet today everyone is acting shocked and appalled by this blowout.
I was there, the team played hard. The Patriots were once in our shoes, and we hope to be in theirs very soon.
All the rage at the staff? Was there anything wrong with that gameplan last night? I’m sick of the “halftime adjustments” argument. We caused them to make adjustments because of our game plan. We arent good enough to dictate the tempo or direction of the game against a team like that.
Overall, this game was what I expected and actually a little better. Now everyone knows we will lose Sunday, but if we get crushed people will act like we didnt see it coming.
Yeah
before they had the gall to go and get a franchise QB.
You(and by you I don’t specifically mean you, Matt, but everyone on this site) want a team that consistently makes the playoffs? Look at the teams that fall into this category and you will see one area where thay all are the same. They have an elite level QB. The Chiefs will not consistently make the playoffs until they find that guy.
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
by ChiefWildcat on Nov 22, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I am searching right now
Your theory is correct so far. There are a few exceptions but only when a team has an elite defense(Ravens).
The 49ers dynasty was Montana and Young….before and after they were nothing.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
Interesting note
The Cowboys have not had back to back 10+ win seasons since 95-96 when they were a dynasty with Aikman.
Look at the Cardinals since Warner left.
Look at the Rams since Warner left.
Broncos has their best seasons with Elway.
Its a proven fact…you either have a franchise QB or an elite defense…..otherwise you will not win…period!
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
They had the gall to go get Brady in the 6th round?
Very gutsy move.
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by electriclight on Nov 22, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Can we please get over the officiating?
Those calls weren’t going to affect the outcome of the game. The most BS call was on Pope. At most KC gets three there. The others were bad, but they didn’t “give” anyone the win. NE was gonna kick KC’s ass with or without them.
I could understand bitching about refs if this team was, oh…say, good. Newsflash: This team sucks.
They did miss a blatant call in the second half.
Unsportsmanlike conduct on KC for refusing to show up…
"Twwwweeeeeeeeeeeet!"
“Penalty————-offense————-impersonating a professional football team……….15 yards from the spot of the foul………….loss of down……………..”
"The Hammer"
by G.L. on Nov 22, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
just re-watching some of the game
Hudson looks GREAT in relief of Lilja… no doubt he’s the future of the interior line along w Asamoah
I also like what I see from Gordon and Powe… both are very active on the DL, hope to see more of both guys
McCluster ran well… not sure why they stopped feeding him, and why they didn’t throw to him more
Bowe and Breaston looked very good, as usual… I do think this O is a QB, TE (moeaki) and one OLineman away
I can’t get over the inability to capitalize over the last 3 games… IMHO, the team hasn’t been as terrible as advertised, but they just can’t finish a drive or capitalize on a turnover.
That INT in the endzone and the failure to get a TD after Jones got 1st and goal from the 1 are classic examples
by stagdsp on Nov 22, 2011 1:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
houston looked better as well, was getting some pressure
And the team did NOT quit, from what I saw, they were playing hard
by stagdsp on Nov 22, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i think KC needs another TE either way
Moeaki will be fine, but it’s clear they need another threat like NE has
by stagdsp on Nov 22, 2011 6:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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