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Have you ever been in a fight you knew you couldn't win?  One in which the odds were so stacked against you that you knew, not matter what you did, that it was over before it even started?  Maybe there were three or four of them, maybe the dude you were throwing down with happened to be a boxer (side note: it's REALLY stupid to fight a guy you know absolutely nothing about. You just never know who you're messing with. If you're about to fight someone and he's taking short, sliding steps towards you with his hands in a proper guard, maybe it's time to back off.  Don't say I never told you anything useful), maybe you're just not that tough.  Whatever.  But I want you to draw on that experience.

I want you to remember what it feels like to keep getting back up after getting knocked to the ground.  To feel the blood in your mouth as you throw yourself back into the fray.  To gain the upper hand for just a second, only to again be hammered by forces you absolutely cannot beat. Remember what that felt like?  The absolute hopelessness?  The helpless, inevitable feeling as they finally got you on the ground and began to work your ribs over with kicks and stomps at your head?

That's the feeling that most closely describes what happened to the Chiefs defense last night.  They stood toe-to-toe with one of the best offenses in the league.  For a while they were giving as good as they got, and then some.  They had Tom Brady skittish in the pocket after hitting him time and time again.  They'd knocked the Patriots vaunted offense around and were flying all over the field. 

But it just... didn't... matter.

Star-divide

Because when you can't score points, you can't win football games.  And against a team like the Patriots, your defense is going to eventually falter when repeatedly pressed into holding a slim lead.

I really felt for our boys out there on defense.  Ol' Romeo had them fired up, to be sure.  As I sat and watched the first half unfold I kept asking, "Who ARE these guys?"  I haven't seen our defense play like that all year.  All those blitzes.  Tamba Hali and Justin Houston teaming up to slam Tom Brady into the ground (and Houston's showing some progress.  I like it).  Amon Gordon pancaking that pretty boy with no mercy.  Crap, there was even a Wallace Gilberry sighting. I thought he was somewhere hanging out with Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and Chris Chambers.

But in the end, the inevitable gives way.  When you're blitzing like crazy, you've got to build a lead.  Otherwise a good team will start dinking and dunking you to death and taking advantage of the running opportunities an over-aggressive defense gives.  And that's just what happened.  The Chiefs don't have anyone that can handle The Gronk.  And if you don't FORCE the team to play catch-up, bad things will happen.

And the Chiefs couldn't do it.  Throughout the first half the offense couldn't deliver and put points on the board.  They moved the ball with some of the better playcalling I've seen this year (tell the truth, Todd.  You took over.  Just admit it, make it public, and send Bill Muir back to full time O-line coach.  Why wait?  I swear it was like you called the plays in the first half and then handed it back over to Muir in the second.  Either that or you're suffering from multiple-coaching-style-disorder).

The defense was in a fight that it had no chance of winning without some help, and it lost. 

We officially know Tyler Palko is not the answer

I'm almost positive that no one is surprised by this turn of events.  The good about Palko?  He's "gutsy" and a "gamer" and all that stuff.  He noticeably goes through his progressions (which is fun to watch a quarterback do for a change).  He didn't completely crap himself in his first start.  Other than one glaring weakness, he's not bad.

But that weakness is a totally, absolutely, completely, utterly, ridiculously, unfathomably weak arm.  The moment he made his first throw (despite it being a completion) I knew it was going to be bad.  This feeling was confirmed as my wife turned to me and said, "That's how a football looks when I throw it."

You cannot make a living as an NFL quarterback if you don't have any arm strength.  And don't talk to me about Chad Pennington or Trent Green, OK?  Because when I'm saying Palko doesn't have arm strength, I'm not saying he has a "weak arm for an NFL quarterback" like those guys did.  I'm saying he has a weak arm for a quarterback at any level.  I've played flag football with guys that put more zip on the ball than Palko.  The guy's got a noodle for an arm.  You cannot overcome a weakness that extreme.

For example, while there are pitchers that make their living throwing stuff that barely tops 90 mph, you don't see any pitchers in the major leagues who can't crack 80.  And frankly, I think Palko would be more around 65-70 as a pitcher.  There's just no way it works.  Sooner or later hitters are going to start teeing off on you.  And sooner or later, NFL defenses will realize you've got no arm and play only the first 15 yards off the LOS (and frankly, even on SHORT throws Palko floats the ball).

And before you say that those interceptions weren't his fault, allow me to assure you, they were.  Bad throws on each one, although I'll perhaps give him some leeway for getting CRUSHED as he threw that first pick (Seriously.  Ouch.  That one was brutal).  And that throw to Dwayne Bowe was as bad as any throw Matt Cassel's made.

On the flip side of that, Palko WAS able to complete 66% of his passes for 6.2 yards per attempt, and the offense was moving pretty well for a chunk of the game.  Which brings me to this...

The writing is on the wall for Matt Cassel

The ONLY way I was willing to consider that Cassel was secretly a good quarterback being held back by terrible circumstances was if Palko was noticeably way, way worse than Cassel.  And he wasn't.  Now, in all fairness, Cassel has a MUCH stronger arm than Palko.  I'll give you that all day.

But Palko was able to move the offense just as well as Cassel has at most points his year.  And Tyler Palko is not an average starting quarterback.  That should tell you something.  But in case I'm not being clear enough, I'll give you an example from MMA (we're hitting on "other sports" analogies today).

You've got a fighter who's lost 3 straight matches.  You say he's a good fighter that's had crummy circumstances.  I say he's a terrible fighter.  So we throw a guy who has absolutely no stand-up game and is considered an amateur fighter in the ring with someone of similar caliber to the guys Fighter #1 lost to.  And while Fighter #2 loses, he doesn't fair much worse than Fighter #1.  What does that say about Fighter #1 when he can't significantly outperform a bad fighter with a crippling weakness?

Or how about a law school analogy?  I think I'm smart, yet I keep getting D's in every class.  I say it's because the classes are hard, circumstances are bad, you can't expect elite all the time, yadda yadda yadda.  So we enroll student B, who happens to be a terrible, terrible reader and was considered a mediocre student even in undergrad.  So he takes the same classes I take, and gets the same grade.  What does this tell me about myself as a law student?

No, I'm not saying Palko is better than Cassel.  That would be insane.  The man can't throw the ball hard enough to break a storm window from ten yards away.  But he's not so much WORSE that he makes me pine for the good old days with Matty Nice.  And if Matt Cassel were a good NFL quarterback, that's how it would be.  Period.  'Nuff said.  END OF STORY!!!!!! (I have now completely won that debate by rules of internet law.)

A thought on injuries...

Yeah, we all miss Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry and Tony Moeaki.  But lately I hear such truisms as "injuries are no excuse."  Now, I get that we don't want to sweep aside this horrible season under the Kool-Aid-drunk idea of, "awwww, it's ok guys!   You're buddies aren't here to help you!  Now you just go try your very, very bestest!"

That said... I'll just point out a few things.

When Troy Polamalu missed over half the season in 2009, the Steelers defense went from absolutely dominant to very, very average.  With Troy, they gave up 13 points per game.  Without him, they gave up 23 points per game.  

(Now the argument could be made that they also were missing Aaron Smith for much of the season, but when he played without Troy P. there the defense still gave up 24 points per game.  Add in the fact that Aaron Smith has been hurt since Week 5 this year and their defense is still excellent at 16 points pergame since he went down, and it becomes clear that his absence was NOT the issue that year).

Read that again.  A stud defense with a good line and all-world outside linebackers went from giving up 13 points per game to 23 points per game.  They went from absolutely dominant to subpar.  That's how important a safety can be if he's an animal and your defense is built around what he can do.  Doesn't it reasonably follow that an average-to-decent defense will become a bad defense in a similar situation? 

Like I said, not everything can be excused.  But let's not underestimate the loss of our best defensive player.

As far as Tony Moeaki goes, go back and watch last night's game and Leonard Pope.  Then tell me Moeaki's absence isn't hurting the Chiefs in a big way.  I'm pretty sure the memory is fresh enough I don't need to say anything else about that particular injury.

Finally, Jamaal Charles.  Let me put it this way.  In 2010, JC accounted for 1,935 of KC's 5,595 total yards.  That's 35% of the offense.  More importantly, the man averaged seven yards per play he touched the ball.  Other than JC, the Chiefs averaged 4.64 yards per play.  Let those numbers sink in, then realize all over again just how devastating that loss was.

Yeah, injuries don't excuse the lack of depth, which is an issue.  Or the quarterback play, which is another issue.  Or key positions unaddressed, which is a third issue.  BUT... they sure help explain the LEVEL of sucktitude.  On their own, losing any one of those guys (including Moeaki.  Again, go watch Pope last night) would've been bad news.  Together?  Ugh.

I thought the season was over when all three of them went down.  The four-game winning streak was a facade that made me start to ignore common sense.  Now?  Back to reality.  The Chiefs weren't a good enough team to lose the two best players and another key player.  Some teams can handle it because they've got better overall talent and depth.  The Chiefs are not there.

What now?

What now is Ricky Stanzi.

By that, I mean it's time to start planning for next offseason and next year (at least we've never had to think that way before... sigh).  Time to get the youngsters out there more and see what they've got (Who else was happy to see Jerrell Powe out there?).  And among the most important players that KC needs to figure out is Stanzi. 

Personally, I don't think he'll be the savior, and the Chiefs will need to draft a quarterback in the spring.  But we know two things: Matt Cassel is not the answer at quarterback, and neither is Tyler Palko.  And while Stanzi may not have all of Palko's "grit" and whatnot, he can throw the football harder than my wife.  So what exactly do the Chiefs have to lose?

Maybe wait until after the Steelers game to give the guy time to take a few snaps.  But then...toss the kid in there. 

Spoiler alert: the Chiefs are likely going to get beat in most of the remaining games regardless.  So it's time to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle with the fifth rounder, and kick the tires of the young fellas to prepare for the return of the best players next year (and, I pray, the arrival of RG3 barring a miracle by Stanzi).

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Palko clearly isn't the answer as a starter

..but I think he makes a good backup. He looks like a smart player and comfortable out there, he just doesn’t have the arm to be a legitimate starter.

by CapsLockKey on Nov 22, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

I'd rather see Cassel as the backup.

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by severn58 on Nov 22, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too

but Palko at least has a place in the league somewhere.

by CapsLockKey on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel comes back next year knowing he'll be the #2, with a (slim) chance he'll start the first few games..

While Stanzi and KCQB1stRdDp battle it out in training camp..

Worst case scenario Cassel starts the first couple of games until he completely shits the bed, entering QBotF.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
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by severn58 on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

But could we get a draft pick for cassel ?

Plus I doubt he’s much of a teacher for out new first round pick neways

by chiefsman! on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

There will still be a market for him.

Not a big one. I think a 3rd is the best we could possibly hope for, but someone will be interested. I’m keeping an eye on Seattle for that.

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by citadelchief on Nov 22, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking he has more value to us then he would as trade bait.

He’s relatively cheap next year, and going under the assumption we’ll be drafting a QBotF early, Palko becomes expendible, making Cassel the obvious choice for veteren leadership/spot starting duty.

Plus I think the league knows what Cassel is, and they’d only be interested in him as a backup….so what, 5th, maybe 4th rounder…plus his contract.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Nov 22, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

are you kidding?

The highest offer for Palmer was a 3rd before the raiders came out of nowhere with the 1sts.

Cassel might be a 6th if anything at all.

by BigRoz on Nov 22, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Perspective.

Nobody was going to pay a high price because they knew Palmer wasn’t going to play this year if he didn’t get traded. Nobody felt they needed him enough to pay the Bengals’ ridiculous price for him…until the raiders came along.

If Palmer doesn’t threaten to retire, that entire situation is different.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Nov 22, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Raiders completely warped the whole damn QB market.

I think I read/heard somewhere that right before they offered the moon, the Bengals would have moved him for a 2nd.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

The raiders' go to move is the double 1st rd pick.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Nov 22, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

6th round pick? Deal.

Need all the picks we can get to move up to #1

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

We need everything we can get to entice Indy to trade…OR, we may be able to get Barkley without trading up…he sure looked good this past weeked…sigh…

by ClydeTheGlyde on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be thrilled with RG3

But I’d be happy with Barkley as well.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

i like RG3

but i like Landry Jones better than Barkley. Jones has a good arm and can make all the throws just have to worry about the shotgun offense and not being under center. Barkley seems like Sanchez 2.0

by km230015 on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

How so, other than playing for the same school?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Landry Jones

is awful. He has less than #7 in the brains and mental toughness department. He has a decent arm, but the happiest damn feet since the friggin penguin cartoon (cute one, eh?). I would not draft Jones and I’m an OU guy.

I am officially off of the “maybe we can take Barkley” wagon. Why? Look at the latest from USC; #7, Sanchez and Leinart. That is a giant steaming heap of suck.

RG3, Russell Wilson, Luck, Weeden. Those are my four.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't Wilson almost 30? I thought I heard that somewhere...

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Wilson was born in 88

He also played some minor league baseball.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah. Thanks

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Luck, Barkley, rg3 or foles, in that order

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 22, 2011 1:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No Foles

still really scared of USC and the tendency of their QBs to go to shit.

The guy I really like is a sophomore: Logan Thomas at Va Tech. Beast.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

"Matt Cassel is not the answer at quarterback"

The problem with that statement is…I’m not sure the Chiefs brass agrees.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Nov 22, 2011 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

then the Chiefs brass is just as terrible as the product they pollute the field with every week.

Good QBs can overcome whatever adversity the Chiefs offense has had to deal with…..and seeing this team’s backups get shredded while Clark Hunt sits on all this money he didn’t spend on depth in the secondary, O line & RB is beyond infuriating.

D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"

by reedeasy on Nov 22, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I fear the truth to that statement

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too

Because as much as most of us want Cassel to hit the road…I get the feeling that Pioli thinks Cassel is the man.

And his opinion is the one that counts.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Nov 22, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I refuse to believe that

I know it looks like it from the outside, but there is no way Pioli cannot see what is wrong with Cassel. It is illogical to think that we know so much more than people under the Parcells tree that have had real jobs in the NFL for over a decade, sometimes two. Sometimes we have to stop, take a step back, and realize that there is much more to our Chiefs organization than we can see. And logic says there is a bigger plan, either with Stanzi or another draft pick in ‘12. I mean, you can think Pioli is so stupid, but that’s not using common sense at all.

by old_school on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

"For a while they were giving as good as they got, and then some."

then….haley attempts an onside kick, and they get the ball at our 45. the rest is history…

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Nov 22, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

you could be right.

coulda sworn they made it 7-3 on that drive. just didnt agree with the call. its like saying- we cant compete with this team, so lets try some crazy stuff.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Nov 22, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

But...we can't....

I think it was a great call. I’d never punt against teams like the Pats, Packers, Saints. If you give them short fields, so what? They’re going to score anyway, might as well get your defense off the field faster and keep their defense on the field, so if you get a couple lucky turnovers you can wear them out at the end in a shootout

by BigRoz on Nov 22, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you really think we can compete with them.

Like BigRoz said . wh ocares about a short field, they’ll more than likely score anyway. That’s what ticked me off on the drive before halftime, Haley has all those time outs under 2 minutes, and just lets the Pats run the clock out. UMMMM I believe we should have tried to save time, and try to score before half. when you’re up against a high power offense, you have to try and get as many opportunities to score as possible.

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by dbakerku on Nov 22, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

bigroz

wouldnt last 1 game with that ridiculous philosophy, and you dont let your team know that you dont believe in them. do that, and its all over but the crying.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Nov 23, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

It was.

and one hell of an on-side kick too. Just Chief’s luck to hit a foot on the way to a recovery. Oh well, still a good call.

by BinSC on Nov 22, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

it WAS a good kick though.

we get it, and take it down to get 7, the entire game might have changed. but…they didnt, and our 3 measly points remained. hindsight, i guess. candy and nuts.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Oour defense hung with the Pats early in the game.

Even with injuries they gave us at least the opportunity to come back and win the game or at least make it closer. But if your defense is out there getting hammered all night long because the offense can’t do squat, eventually the defense is going to tire and fold. Our defense is playing well enough to win some games if we only had an offense which could score more than 16 point in the entire month of November so far!

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Pretty much

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Pioli believes Cassel IS the answer.

Not sure if he is able to admit a “miss” and move on. I hope so. If not, we will be mediocre for several more years. Cassel is a better passer that Palko, but I noticed a much better “presence” with Palko. Several times I saw him go from one receiver to the next. Cassel panics too much and forces into coverage on a regular basis. Can we take Palko’s field awareness and give it to Cassel?

by BinSC on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

I don't buy that. Pioli isn't an idiot. He knows first hand what a great QB can do for a team.

If us idiot fans can see Cassel’s faults, he sure as hell can. I just don’t think he’s liked the alternative options to Cassel up until this point and can’t say I can argue with that. He wasn’t going use a first round pick on Andy Dalton after the season Cassel had last year. If he thought QB was locked down for the foreseeable future, he wouldn’t have even bothered picking Stanzi.

by CapsLockKey on Nov 22, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I think Cassel was brought in as a bridge ’till we get our QBOF, but i also think Pioli wont take a QB early unless he just absolutely thinks he is a stud.

by km230015 on Nov 22, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about Pioli

I give him one more “free grace” year. If #7 is still our QB, we haven’t drafted a replacement, and we don’t significantly improve the overall talent on this roster, I will begin screaming “Pioli is a hack” from the rooftops. He is close to out of time. This fan has no more patience left.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be the guy behind you screaming the same thing

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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Make sure we alternate

like a round. That way we make sure that we’re understood.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Either that or make sure we're synchronized.

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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You made me laugh on a bad day

(tip of the hat I’m not wearing)

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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, good

I also needed a laugh as my sports weekend was shit from Friday to Monday.

I return the invisible hat tip.

Happy Thanksgiving, man!

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh... food

I’m going to eat my son’s body weight in mashed potatoes.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

on Stanzi

I don’t see how people can say that Stanzi is not the answer. We haven’t even seen him other than during the shortened pre-season. He may still pan out as a good to great QB.

I’d say give Palko 1 or 2 more games and then throw Stanzi in there for the last couple of games OR once games get out of hand, in either direction (trying to be optimistic) let Stanzi do mop up duty so he can get his feet wet.

by KC Scout on Nov 22, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

If we're going to give Stanzi a chance to show something, it needs to be sooner rather than later

You want as big a sample size as possible when evaluating a QB

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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It takes time

to develop QB’s. The one thing I liked about picking up Cassell was that he had a season under his belt and we didn’t have to feel like we were taking as much of a flier on him. Stanzi will need time (and we are probably talking a season or two) to develop. And he needs on O-line that will keep him upright…

by Osage4 on Nov 22, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

If Cassl was the QB last night he would have thrown for 400 yards.

and we would have won the game. I thought the playing calling was the best it has been all year, We were aggressive and played to win. The no huddle kept the Pat’s off balanced.
my question is, why havn’t we had this play calling all year.

I don’t count the last TD, They had a TD on a punt return, DJ allowed a TD on a blown coverage,
Palko threw 3 interceptions. Our TE had a Pentalty that prevented us from having a TD, we got called for holding, which wasn’t holding to stop a drive.

We could have won this game with Palko, If Cassel was the QB we would have won this game.
Not only could we have won this fight, we could have knocked the Mother F out !

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And thus dawns a new era of Cassel apologism...

“If he’d been in there, he’d have thrown for 7 TD’s, won the game, and stolen the other QB’s girlfriend. All the while curing cancer and discovering an alternative energy source.”

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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I really liked the "I don't count..." part

We can do that? In that case, we’re unde-damn-feated this year! I simply don’t count any of the opposition TDs cause there was hanky-panky at some point in those plays.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the AP is comical

If a player is not playing good they just want to get somebody else, they don’t look to see why the player is having a hard time, and fix the problem. Can you say Fair weather fan !

If you watched Brady last night when we got pressure on him and he did not have timing and rhythm he was not accurate. If Cassel is not accurate because he is not allowed to get in a rhythm you say, If we had Tom Brady we could be good even though we have a week O line, bad play calling, penalties, WR dropping the ball.

The AP reminds me of the experts on TV, If they like a player they look at the things they do right, if they don’t like the player they look for things the player did wrong.
It’s comical how much people think they know football, but they don’t know jack.

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 22, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh good

another noob with the “good fan/bad fan” schtick.

As for people not knowing “jack”, you are the one who determined which opponent TDs could and could not count in the overall outcome of the game. What does that say?

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm just missing with your guys head.

I was just trying to piss off all the people who hate Cassel. It is comical
how th AP has so much built up anger in them and so emotional.

I thought the game was closer than the score, and I believe if we have that kind of play calling in the future on Offense and Defense we can be successful next year when we get all our players back.

Don’t hate on me because my glass is half full.

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

As per the game

NE could’ve won 6-3 and it would’ve been a blowout. Why? There was no chance of this team scoring any more than they did. It was a blowout regardless of the score.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're admitting you're a troll? Nice work there

If you think AP is so “comical” then sit back and get a chuckle and resist the urge to “miss” with anyone’s head.

Nobody’s hating on you because your glass is half full. If they’re hating on you it’s because they think your glass is half full of LSD.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 22, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks God you're here

To enlighten us

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen Cassel play.

There has been many of times he’s had time, and can’t hit the broad side of the barn. You are right with Brady, when he got pressured he made some bad throws, but the difference is he didn’t get scared and play poorly the rest of the time. Cassel can’t continue after he’s been hit. He’s so scared the rest of the game even if he has all the time in the world. We need to quit making excuses for piss poor play around KC, if we all condone the play, they will keep these unqualified players to start. So take that and stick it up your comical ass

I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.

by dbakerku on Nov 22, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It's about timing and Rhythm?

There has been time when Cassel has had time and the play calling was on schedule he looked good. The no huddle and the tempo last night was great.
If you ever shot a gun , if you move your hand just a little you miss the target.
It is the same being a QB, if you throw the ball just a split second before you wanted to, you could miss your target.

If you look at Andy Reid, he makes all QB look great. I think Cassel he has skills,
I think Cassel win the Cassel.

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 22, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

This bares repeating...
It’s comical how much people think they know football, but they don’t know jack.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Nov 22, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I know look at what people said about T Jones

He is slow, He sucks, Last night when he got a whole to run through, he showed he can motor. You have to understand when a RB, WR, or QB is not succesful it is not always because they suck.

If you judge a player based on stats, you don’t know Jack !

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 22, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

TJ is still slow, and he still sucks

The blocking on his decent runs Sunday was astounding.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

And If Uncle Rico could go back in time, he'd win State

I agree with a text I got from my friend in KC somewhere late in the 2nd quarter.

“If Cassel were in there we’d still be looking for our first first-down.”

by Ochophosphate on Nov 22, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO

Rec for the Uncle Rico reference. Great.

by BinSC on Nov 22, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

If its true why cant we say it?

Seems you blame Cassel for EVERYTHING. Your hate for him is getting in the way of the truth. The truth is Patriots pass defense sucks and they had injuries happen before and during the game. If Cassel was playing he would have done a better job then Palko no doubt. If it was Cassel playing and he threw for 300+ yards, you know damn well everyone would be saying how it is because Patriots dont have a pass Defense.But yet you and others compare Palkos half decent night and use it to compare Cassel, but never mention how weak Patriots are on D.

Cassel isnt a great QB and maybe shouldnt even be a starter, but he is a better QB then Palko hands down. Palko was INT 3 times and didnt even get it in the endzone against a patched together weak Patriots secondary. Not sure why you are not admitting Cassel would of looked a hell of a lot better. If its the truth, why not say it.

by TheScreenName on Nov 23, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?...

Yeah… Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would’ve been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind…

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

oh snap

haha, didn’t read down before posting a Rico reference above. Touche.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 22, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Our defense hung with the Pats early in the game.

Even with injuries they gave us at least the opportunity to come back and win the game or at least make it closer. But if your defense is out there getting hammered all night long because the offense can’t do squat, eventually the defense is going to tire and fold. Our defense is playing well enough to win some games if we only had an offense which could score more than 16 point in the entire month of November so far!

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Nov 22, 2011 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

Stanzi won't get a chance until after this week.

And only if Palko is good for another 3 INTs. They don’t want to rush Stanzi, which is understandable, but also very frustrating.

I don’t see any good options at QB for the remainder of the year. Cassel is out. Palko is Palko. Stanzi isn’t ready. So looking ahead, I’m wondering what the answer is. If we get a shot at Matt Barkley, I say go for it. Same with Robert Griffith III. I’d also like to see us make a play on Matt Flynn and try to trade Cassel.

But there certainly isn’t any denying that the injuries are a major factor in our problems, despite what Jon Gruden thinks…even though he listed injuries as the specific source of the Chiefs’ problems earlier. I counted 7 plays where having one of those key players back would have made a difference in a big way.

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by citadelchief on Nov 22, 2011 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

No Matt Flynn.

The similarities to Cassel are uncanny.

-7th round pick
-backs up the MVP of the league
-looked good playing on a team stacked with talent and top notch coaching

Flynn is the next Matt Cassel, book it.

by CapsLockKey on Nov 22, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly, he's a reliable backup QB.

He’ll be a Free Agent, and will come cheap. It allows us to deal Matt Cassel away (probably to whatever other teams tried for Matt Flynn). He’ll provide competition without any pressure to start him over a younger guy. He’s an upgrade over Palko.

I’m not saying bring him in as the starter. Bring him in as competition and likely as a backup to Stanzi or Draft Pick.

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by citadelchief on Nov 22, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Flynn won a national championship and a Super Bowl!

He started for LSU, and J cheered him every game. He’s quick runner and a very smart QB, I wouldn’t mind him on our roster

by KCCHIEFSfan 82 on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Pioli in over his head

No Belichick to hold his hand. McCluster over Gronkowski?!!?

by ArrowDread on Nov 22, 2011 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

If you look at BB's past few drafts

You’ll see way, way more misses than hits.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

a couple of questionable picks, definitely...

I think Todd Haley is the one that’s in over his head.

D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"

by reedeasy on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Gronkowski is a stud

but the system makes him better than he would be somewhere else.

Our playcalling makes McCluster look like more of a bust than he really is.

by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 22, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

McCluster over Gronkowski

Come on, man. Like Gronk was on anybody’s radar. McCluster pick, highly questionable. But this hindsight stuff is getting unbearable.

by old_school on Nov 22, 2011 1:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Gonkowski was no seceret

Stay up past your bedtime and watch some west coast football. Best TE coming out. But Pioli prefered an undersized scatback with fumbilitis and an injury prone TE. What as Pioli really done? Someone should do a post on that.

by ArrowDread on Nov 22, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're going to bag on "injury prone"

It doesn’t make sense to pimp out Gronk. At the time, he was a huge injury risk.

What as Pioli really done? Someone should do a post on that.

Someone did. It’s in the rec’d fanposts. Heavy on the Kool-Aid but a good look at positive moves made.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's good to know you had him on your radar.

Sorry if I don’t believe that no matter how high he was projected. Not one person on here claimed they wanted Gronk over Moeaki after the draft wrapped up. So easy to try and state the “obvious” now.

by old_school on Nov 22, 2011 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I've actually got a draft preview magazine from that year that had him pegged as a 1st rounder.

I think there were some injury concerns with him, but he was still the highest rated TE.

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by severn58 on Nov 22, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Not talking about national projections

I’m talking about the all the Chiefs fans who never said anything about Gronkowski until after he panned out in NE.

by old_school on Nov 22, 2011 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Bottom Line

Pioli should be fired for not drafting Gronkowski.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Bottom line

Gronkowksi is another exaple of Pioli has continued to whiff on his draft picks while here in KC

by ArrowDread on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

As we all know

If there are any players that turns out to be better who is picked after our pick, that pick was a whiff.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

At least next year we SHOULD be a very good team . RgIII , new oline man to beef it up . New defensive play makers . Should be alot of fun . Plus all the good players we lost this year !

by chiefsman! on Nov 22, 2011 12:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I truly believe

that we are getting beat this badly because the Defense is tired of trying to win games. My opinion is that if we had a good qb that the team was confident in and could bring us back from a deficit then we wouldn’t get beat so badly. One, we would be confident our offense can actually score a TD, but two, the Defense would be more likely to stay focused and fired up because they know we have a chance. It’s hard for a defense to continue that fire when they know if were behind were basically done. I still believe it all comes down to having a good qb…I blame Pioli for lack of depth and having a quality qb. Haley has been handcuffed and I would be very unhappy to see Haley fired. If Haley is fired, then some heat needs to be put on Pioli or can his ass too. It’s time Pioli starts giving Haley some talent he deserves.

by jcrunninwild on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

It is time to play Stanzi. He is the ONE.

Ladies and Gentlemen, here are YOUR STANZI CITY CHIEFS!!

by neiowakcfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

After the steelers game

i dont want BarryR to get him killed in his first chance.

by km230015 on Nov 22, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially on a short week.

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by citadelchief on Nov 22, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

where is haley?

remember his first year when he freaked out and yelled at everyone to do thier job. i miss that when we were losing last night it just looked like he excepted it and did nothing.

by kcchiefs19 on Nov 22, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

My wife said Haley has "sad eyes"

They used to be “mad eyes”

I think he’s burnt out a little on hollering. Which is probably a good thing. You can’t keep screaming and screaming while the team loses. that’s a great way to get tuned out.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he's out of ideas

and may just be suffering from a broken spirit. Doesn’t sound like the ideal guy to push this shit wagon over the crest of the hill, does it?

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Good

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Same here

Several times, roaming and yelling his ass off. He can’t yell all the time though, has to pay attention to the game at some point.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 22, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

C'Mon MN

Bigfoot is real. No sense grouping him in with mythical creatures like the Loch Ness Monster and Chris Chambers.

You can't spell Power without Powe.

by Sudden on Nov 22, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

I have friends in Miami and San Diego who insist that Chris Chambers is real.

Of course, those are two of the top cities for hallucinogens.

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by citadelchief on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Good call

Should’ve said Mark Bradley instead of Bigfoot.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see some serious discussion about Manning

Let the Colts clean house and take Luck and give them a couple #1s for Manning. He could give us 3 years of playoff contention from day 1 with what we have in place honestly.

by BigRoz on Nov 22, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

Manning's going to have a say in where he goes, and KC will be at or near the bottom of his list

Why would Manning want to come to KC? They’re no where close to being a SB contender. He’ll pick NYJ, SF, maybe even Arz with Fitz there over KC.

by Chiefs_KC on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Do the Math

The common thread behind the quarterbacks looking like crap is…Haley calling plays. With good game planning and the ability to change the play based on what the defense is giving him, Cassel was big time successful in New England.

For example:2008 (16/15/0/0): Named AFC Offensive Player of the Week for Week 7 for his contributions, including a career-high 136.3 passer rating, in the Patriots’ 41-7 victory over the Denver Broncos on Oct. 20 … Named AFC Offensive Player of the Week for Week 12 after throwing for a career-high 415 yards and three touchdowns in the Patriots’ 48-28 victory at the Miami Dolphins on Nov. 23 … Became the fifth player in NFL history to have back-to-back 400-yard passing games with a 415-yard performance against the Miami Dolphins on Nov. 23 after a 400-yard performance against the New York Jets on Nov. 13 … Made his first career start at the New York Jets on Sept. 14 … Posted a career-high passer rating of 136.3 while throwing for a career-best three touchdown passes in the Patriots’ 41-7 victory over the Broncos on Oct. 20 … His 136.3 passer rating against the Broncos ranks as the 10th best mark by a Patriots quarterback since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger … Tallied a then career-high 267 passing yards in the Patriots’ 23-16 comeback win over the St. Louis Rams on Oct. 26 … Became the first player since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger to total at least 400 passing yards and at least 60 rushing yards in a game versus the New York Jets on Nov. 13 … Set career highs in passing yards (400), completions (30), pass attempts (50) and rushing yards (62) while tying a career-high of three touchdown passes against the Jets … Set a single-game career high with four touchdown passes in the Patriots’ 49-26 victory over the Oakland Raiders on Dec. 14 … Tallied his 21st touchdown pass of the season on a 76-yard connection to Randy Moss, his 21 touchdown passes are the third highest total by a Patriots rookie quarterback.

Fast forward a year when Haley runs the offense and we all know what happened.

Fast forward another year when Weis runs offense. Cassel’s TD to INT was ridiculous and YES, like it or not, he was a Pro-Bowler (sorry, you can’t take it away).

Fast forward yet another year and Haley once again has the reigns. We see what happened. Truth is, Cassel, when given the ability to read a defense and make changes, is a very good QB. This is why Haley will be fired, a new head coach and OC will brought in, and you will see Cassel prove how talented QBs are only as good as the game planning.

For those believing a new QB is the answer, you are looking in the wrong place for the solution. Cassel proved what he can do. Haley, as an OC, has not. Pioli knows it and it is why Cassel will get the deserved chance to produce the type of numbers that history says he can.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Cassel joined a team that went 18-1 the previous year and broke multiple offensive records

And proceeded to have a decent year for a QB, nothing too special, while sack number for the team increased by roughly 300%.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention

he had Randy Moss…who coincidentally was the guy that made Daunte Culpepper look like a good QB.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

And that Wes Welker guy

I hear he’s OK

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Truth

Hard to read isn’t it. QB is NOT the problem. It’s the head coach who can’t get his ego out of the way long enough to let people smarter than him run the Offense. Ask Chan Gailey and Charley Weis what they though of him. The list of good offensive minds, added with a proven QB, throw in NFL man of the year like Brian Waters and sprinkle in a few others players he cast off that we could have used and we are left with…A head coach who ruined a team. Haley, and Pioli for keeping Haley are the ONLY ones to blame.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

And ask Hurt Warner and Larry Fitz what they thought of Haley

But yeah, Haley sure has ruined the team. Remember how awesome we were?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Really

So Haley was head coach AND OC in Arizona. I must have missed that. In short, he is in over his head.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, so now you're qualifying the argument

You’re saying he’s a horrible play caller. Last I checked, an OC does that, right? So if he’s so God-awful at it, wouldn’t that transfer?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

No

It wouldn’t transfer. Because you can’t lead an entire team and do the OC job at a high level.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

...

At least HE can’t.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Your original argument was about playcalling

And they went to the Superbowl when he ran that offense. Don’t try to switch it up now.

If you want to infer that Haley was given a good quarterback to work with in KC, you’re going to have a hard time finding someone to believe that.

by old_school on Nov 22, 2011 1:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Apparently one can change an argument mid-stream

I can’t wait to do that in court if I’m losing…

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

MN i had to rec this

As soon as I swa you replied to his argument, I knew that he was in for trouble. Not just because his argument is flawed, but mainly because of who he was arguing with. Thanks for keeping my day bright!

by dbaty7 on Nov 22, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Bill Walsh?

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by severn58 on Nov 22, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Read Again

I know you want to hide from the numbers and discount them, but the numbers don’t lie. He has the talent when given the chance to succeed. It’s why the fans in NE liked him. There is no QB in this league who can succeed with this O line and Haley calling the plays. Don’t kid yourself.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Then why didn't Palko look 10x worse than Cassel out there?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

True story

Where’s ups?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Game planning

We all know Cassel plays better and looks better when they go hurry up. Just as Palko looked better in the hurry up. Had Cassel been in their running that fast early game plan, you would say his tempo looked better. The QB can only run what they are told in Haley’s offense. You need to understand that when he was QB at Pats, he had more freedom. With Haley, all QBs are handcuffed.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

We also all know

that #7 looks REALLY good when Charles is going off for 150 and the D is getting 2-3 takeaways per.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

When he was QB with that Pats

He threw tons of WR screens that Moss and Welker made look good.

Side note… if it’s all Haley’s fault (playcalling and whatnot), why did Cassel crap the bed in almost half our games last year?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop

Even Brady craps the bed sometimes. For example, how good did HE look when pressured last night. Like Crap! Cassel has been sacked or knocked down 14 times in the previous two games. Brady showed last night how he would perform under the same unGodly pressure. Why does everybody refuse to look at the big picture here?

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Belicheck

Belicheck made adjustments at half. And Brady is ABLE to make them during the game. Haley’s offense allows almost no audibles so if the defense is perfect, Chiefs still have to run the play.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I didn’t see Belichek over there on that bench checking out the pictures of defensive alignments. And I didn’t see Bill throwing any passes out there.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Nov 22, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Even Brady craps the bed sometimes

Half his games?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

And I always thought that "I" was a Cassel apologist!

I’m patient to a fault when it comes to player development, and even I can’t see why people are still defending the guy’s play.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Nov 22, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Because if he'd been playing, we'd have won by 30

Duh

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Sully, Sully, Sully.

Most of the AP minds are made up, They don’t want to hear a voice of reasons.
If I was Cassel I would be raising hell, asking what can’t you have that kind of play calling for me.

I have been saying for me this season is a preseason for next year, If they have that kind of play calling for offense and defense next year, I’m happy.

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you seriously believe

That New England fans would have tolerated Cassel’s quarterback play since Week 12 of last year? If so, you need medication.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Nov 22, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, Kurt Warner

Nullifies your statement, yet again.

by old_school on Nov 22, 2011 1:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So, if he has great players around him,

and great coaches, and a great defense to give him great field position, THEN he can play well? Well, in the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately NFL, he certainly looks like a has-been.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Nov 22, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Has Been?

Quick question. Does six weeks ago qualify as HAS BEEN. You know, when he threw 4 touchdown passes and had a QB rating of 138? I get it.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean his game against the worst team in the NFL?

At least we don’t have that distinction—yet.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the NFL

There are probably only 4 teams fans who don’t hate their QB. We can keep searching, waste draft picks or we can build a team around Cassel. Because the known is that the formula works…as with ALL NFL teams.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Translation

“We can actually try or we can keep slinging shit against the wall and hope something sticks.”

That’s what I get from the notion of wanting to hang on to #7. Show’s over. Time to move on.

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel had a good year

playing extremely conservative football, and going against the easiest schedule in the NFL.

I don’t think anyone would disagree that Cassel is a pretty good QB under absolutely ideal circumstances. The issue is that he can’t make up for any other deficiencies on a team. He needs to have a consistently good OL, a great RB, and good WRs…and this is a problem because of the institutionalized parity in the NFL…every team is going to have deficiencies. Cassel is like a lot of Heisman Trophy winners who look great in college because the team around them is better than the competition at nearly every position, but later bust in the NFL.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He has good WRs this year and still doesnt up show until the second half .After seeing Palko I dont think he is a pretty good QB He cannot make reads .He panicked and turned himself into the second coming of THIGGIE. How come Palko made the effort to find the open receiver yesterday ?Our offense would have been moving much better if he was a “pretty good QB” because when its not the a good QB makes it happen

by chiefs_alive on Nov 22, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

like I said, under ideal circumstances

like having 5 seconds in the pocket to make his reads, plant, and throw (to great receivers).

He doesn’t have the protection this year (because the teams are better), so he’s falling apart.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Nov 22, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel TD int ratio was a product of him throwing the ball away a lot of times for us to kick the football or punt. We didnt play behind with no offense produced in the first half of games like we did this year and he had Charles to make it easier for his passing lanes to open up.
   Im curious on how good the Denver team was that he lit up coz if they were awful you cannot give him credit for it. And he had Moss .MR just throw it up there and ill save you .He needs finese with Bowe and thats when Baldwin started he goes to him so he can just throw it up there.Yes that’s what a big WR should do but you gotta have more than that.
   You may have a point with the coaching staff but Cassel has to bear a big share of the blame.Haley was a successful OC at Arizona and they threw the ball with Kurt Warner way more than they ran so I squash your Coaching argument a lttle there .
   A new HC or OC will not change anything for the better.That will just create another year of the whole excuse of how we have had 4 different OCs and he has to learn the different plays and it will be until the end of the season until we have a first drive lead to a TD .How can you accept this bogus brainwashing ???

by chiefs_alive on Nov 22, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I read somewhere

that while at Pitt that Flacco, Larry Fitzgerald, and Palko would throw 70 yard bombs at the goalpost after practice. I don’t think is arm is that weak. Did you see Vince Young on Sunday night? That was terrible. I will take Palko over Cassel any day of the week.

by Chef's Kitchen on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

i say play stazi against murderes row

If anything it will make him stronger hey may never see a schedule harder than that in his lifetime unless he went to the playoffs.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Nov 22, 2011 1:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

That's not a bad idea

Kinda like how Berry played his first game against Gates. He got torched, but was better for it.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

good write up

I agree with you on a lot of points especially about Matt Cassel’s talents as a franchise QB .At his age and what he has shown us for 3 years he should not be starting and shouldn’t have after the first year at MOST. I dont care what genuisness he has PIOLI is to blame for this. You can say he did not have a QB when he got here and needed one but we couldve gotten one with the draft and lost all the games we have since he started .We won 4 games his first season.Im sure a rookie could’ve done that too.
   Thats the front issue with our team.Our on field issues start with the QB position hands down.You cannot excuse Matt C for anything .The same Oline played yesterday yet we moved the ball,we had no decent running game and we moved the ball.We didnt have Moeaki and Charles and we still moved the ball.We changed the QB and we moved the ball how many yards with the back up QB who never had taken snaps with the starters? 6 .First games Matt was doing about 3 yards with the Dinks and dunks passes.
   Back to Cassell .Yes Palko outdid him on running the offense and had much better pocket presence ,It wasnt about seeing the number one option being double teamed and its time to duck and run like Matt C does .
   The only think Palko did wrong were the INTS .You dont know whether it was the lack of practice time or pure ineptitude.Two of them had good decisions but bad passes.The third one was just terrible no excuse for that one.
   The defense played good as long as it could hold Brady. Like someone said I do believe they get tired of having to win the game for us.They should be protecting leads that we have not scoring with intercepts. Powe was nice to see.He penetrated on the last NE drive twice pretty good one he missed the RB trying to get his legs and on the TD run he forced the RB outside but containment had broken and it was an easy one for the running back and once again the Chiefs game someone carrer numbers . Jalil Brown had the punt returner by the jersey for a tackle and he let him go ..touchdown ouch!
     Yes like many of you I do want to see what Stanzi can do.As much as Palko can run the offense ,it would be good to see some touchdowns so if he cannot deliver at the red zone we need to get Stanzi in.I mean its not like Palko will be the starter and Matt better not be either.But I am willing to give Palko a chance to outdo Matt C and humble Scott Pioli .Many of you forget he is the guy that released B.Walters ..ie pretty much fired him as if he didnt have enough in the tank to help us but he sure helps NE now

by chiefs_alive on Nov 22, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

We've regressed

back to the Herm years, when another #4 QB was inserted into a lineup of castoffs and misfits. “Hey, we can’t win by playing REGULAR football, so we’ll resort to wildcat cutesy onside kicking seeifwecansurpriseem football”, because we really don’t have a HOPE of winning this ballgame. I thought we were past that.

I’m embarassed today. Not because we lost…. hell, we all knew it was coming. But because we went intot he game knowing that we didn’t have a hope in hell of winning by playing real football. The wildcat is for teams that don’t have any hope. Tebowing is for teams who don’t have any hope. And now I don’t have much hope either. Not just for this season… but for the next several.

by Ozarks on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

The team has a lot of talent, but most of it is on IR

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Seasons over for us

We need to play stanzi to see if we need a qb or not . This is ridiculous . The way Todd was talking about Palko , we wont see stanzi for a while .. They Shuld just get RGIII . And oline . Then offense should be more than capable of being successful. Then work the rest on D

by chiefsman! on Nov 22, 2011 1:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

What?!

The only thing Palko did wrong was….throw interceptions!!! Wow!

The only thing Cassel did right was….go to the Pro Bowl and get us to a playoff game. And this town throws him under the bus. Listen, I love this team and want what’s best for it, but I see things differently than most APers. I also like what Cassel does in this town. I know most of you will say WHO Cares, but between making the Pro Bowl, playoffs, 2 out of 4 past years being above average, and him being a stand up guy…I’ll give him another chance.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

And another, and another, and another....

What exactly is the point at which you will say, “Enough chances—he’s out of here”?

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Nov 22, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The playoff where we got destroyed

On a cake schedule . Not good enough . U saw what happens when we play better teams . We lose significantly

by chiefsman! on Nov 22, 2011 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Playoffs

First, before last year, did any of us think we had a chance to even get there? So while we got killed in the playoffs, I was pumped because they, with Cassel at QB, kept my Sunday beer tasting that much better through December!

Weis, Waters, Vrabel and others were run off by Haley. Three great leaders who know football are missed huge. He is threatened by other leaders and as a result, break a huge leadership lesson. Surround yourself by people smarter than you and let them do their job.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Correction. Weis left because he stated his job was to fix the QB and after one season he knew that was impossible

This way, Weis looks successful in his one year stint in KC, whereas in reality fixing Matt Cassel was an impossible task and that is the real reason Weis left after one year. Don’t blame Haley, blame Cassel

by Chiefs_KC on Nov 22, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Really

Oh, so you know that right? You and Charlie buddies? He left this team because he wanted to punch Haley in the mouth.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

You and Charlie are pals then?

Tell him I said “hello”. Also, I would like to ask him, “WTF is wrong with the UF QBs.”

Thanks!

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

More like, WTF is wrong with the FL Offense...

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

That too

Oh yeah, please ask him to relay this message to Muschamp, “Please come to OU, they desperately need a real defensive coordinator.”

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

My statement has as much or more validity than the statement I replied to

Vrabel… had a chance to coach at Ohio State which he stated was his dream after he retired from football… he mentioned that a couple years ago.

Waters… was on last year of contract and probably wanted an extension. Chiefs had already drafted his replacement so they probably told him they’d release him if he wanted to try and find a starting job elsewhere. Waters attended all the OTAs the previous year whereas in years past he did not so there was no bad blood between Waters and Haley.

Sometimes I think some Chiefs fans are more concerned with not hurting multi-millionaire player’s feelings then an unbiased evaluation of player’s talent level and building a SB contender because they haven’t been one in forever. Goosh, gee, Cassel’s a swell guy, and he works hard, he doesn’t have Aaron Rodgers or even Romo talent but we can’t get rid of him. He can win games against the bottom feeder teams and get us to an 8 win season. yay!

by Chiefs_KC on Nov 22, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Vrabel..

wanted one more year and his invite to OU only came after Chiefs said NO THANKS. And Waters…no bad blood with Haley? Wrong. Two leaders who made up for Haley’s ineptness. Wouldn’t want them around, would we?

And not saying Cassel is the best QB in the league. Just that we first need to:
1) Fire Haley
2) Hire Fisher or Cower
3) Hire kick ass OC
4) Keep Crennel
5) Feed Muir his creamed corn and change his drool cup
6) Keep Cassel
7) Groom a Rookie QB and let him compete for job
8) Let the best man win
9) Pray that we actually spend money to build a team of vets combined with our core of young talent.
10) Win a freakin Super Bowl so we can all stop bitching at eachother!

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Did anyone else other than Vrabel want Vrabel back for another year? I'd like one more big fat paycheck, I can't even afford a couple beers at the casino, I'll just take them...

Guy was washed up and regularly replaced by Studebaker last year…. and Studebaker looks terrible this year without Vrabel around as a litmus test to make him look OK

by Chiefs_KC on Nov 22, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I love how you mock others with questions like, "oh, so you know him?"

Then turn around and do the same thing.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He’s already says he knows the inside scoop and doesn’t care if you believe him or not. Vrabel shouldn’t have even been on the team last year, let alone this year.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Nov 22, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

So there’s no leadership void on this team? Right..Vrabel had no value. Oh yea, Waters too.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Vrabel’s play eliminated anything positive his “leadership” could have contributed. I also think that losing Berry knocked out one of the most vocal leaders on the defense. But, then again, I don’t have the inside scoop.

I would’ve like to have seen Waters back, but I don’t think they could have justified keeping him and making Lilja a reserve because Asamoah needs to be on the field.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Nov 22, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay..

Great thing about sports is it really doesn’t matter. So while we disagree, I love a good debate. Everybody have a great Thanksgiving with your family and friends!

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Same to you. Feel free to reveal more of what you’ve heard. May or may not believe it, but it’s still interesting. I don’t doubt that Haley’s hard to work with, but I also don’t believe that Weis contributed much to the team besides horrible play-calling.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Sweet merciful %@#

Did we want him as a coach? Cause last time I checked we need players, you know, guys that play on the field. If they can do that and provide leadership that’s great, and in their waning years of physical ability the leadership bit can keep them around a bit longer

There’s a point where this “leadership” piece no longer trumps inability to contribute meaningfully on the field. We’re not going to keep a guy on the roster purely for the “leadership” he provides.

As for Waters – I’ve been through this argument too many times to rehash it.
Here, go big

by Ochophosphate on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't...

know Weis. But I know what happened last year in the locker room. Look, I’m not trying to play “know it all” here, but I knew guys on last years team and got some serious scoop that changed my opinion. I learned some of what went on between Haley and Weis. I want what’s best for the Chiefs as a fan and just wish more folks knew what the atmosphere was like. I don’t care if I WIN an argument. But I can say with 100% certainty that Haley was threatened by Weis. Now Weis wasn’t exactly Mother Teresa but it went down exactly like we all thought it would. I would love to go into more detail but my nuts are at risk of being cut off if I go on. Believe me, Weis did NOT go to FL because it was his dream job. it’s just that he would rather bathe in a tub of scissors than listen to a paranoid coach question his every move.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

All right then

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

So you knew a guy

who knew a guy who knew a guy? Please tell me more. I want the inside scoop

by TheScreenName on Nov 22, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Dice Clay accent "I got a guy...

No Bullshit. I can’t give specifics (but I have many). Stuff would blow your mind.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really

But I did get the…If anybody ever finds out about this I will shit in your mouth and feed you to raiders fans.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow...

you’re not reproducing,right?

by TheScreenName on Nov 22, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you mean...Am I pregnant?

No, but I do have three kids. And because I have to support the college fund, I better get back to work so I can crack my first Thanksgiving preparation Guinness of the week. I will leave it on this note. What I heard about what goes on inside Arrowhead is worse than the most disfunctional company you ever worked for. Moral, communication, creativity, honesty and trust are the the missing ingredients of this team. More missed than Berry, Moeki, Cassel and Charles. Guys can be replaced, but without the other stuff, organizations crumble. You are merely witnessing the start of that crumbling…

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

all kidding aside..i am sure it is

But sure all places are like that…you talking about a place that has 24 year old millionairs and a bunch of egos from the GM down to the kicker..sadly though it isn’t just the chiefs. I bet you would see that everywhere ..
Just shocking to you because you weren’t assuming it was like that…

by TheScreenName on Nov 22, 2011 5:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Last year Chiefs got to the play-offs by beating bad teams, Cassel's track record against above .500 teams

is terrible. What teams do you face in the playoffs? Teams with winning records, which are kryptonite to Matt Cassel and his ability to play QB at a high level in those types of games

by Chiefs_KC on Nov 22, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

our whole teams track record against good teams suck

some of those losses you are referring to had other peoples involvement other then Cassels. The defense can and has lost games for us too, as well as Cassel. Numbers dont always tell the whole story, agree?

by TheScreenName on Nov 22, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

3 ints. I dont think anyone hates MC .He’s a good guy .He can be a member of our community as a Back up no worries but in the business of football he doesnt cut it.He went to the Pro Bowl as a result of an injury didnt he?In a season we had a weak schedule right how can you count that man ? He got us to the playoffs? I remember Jamaal getting crazy yards and being out this season proves he’s our offensive MVP. I remember the last three losses of the season where Matt didnt do squat and we got whooped.We hang on by the thread to win the division last year and OH that playoff game we went to,How good did our offense do with Matt.I know Jamaal had the longest run against Baltimore in I dont know how many games, he was gonna get 100 yards which i dont think had happened against the Ravens either had we not fallen behind and started passing.
  So yes as midcalchief says , "Enough chances—he’s out of here"?

by chiefs_alive on Nov 22, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I see a lot of agreement that a change is needed.

I think the psyche of this team now depends on a credible example that steps are being taken to become a better team. Ans the most significant step that can be taken right now is a change of QB. Playoffss have now become a wistful dream. It’s time to see if Stanzi is any good, and we need some good competition to show that. So let’s put him in there now and let him learn for the rest of the season.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Nov 22, 2011 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Stanzi

I agree that bringing in Stanzi now is a good idea. But if he stinks, we all need to understand that it doesn’t necessarily mean anything. It’s too difficult for anybody to look good with Haley game planning.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

I just want him to play so that he understand the speed of the NFL game

It would be a HUGE advantage for him going into the offseason with 5-6 full games under his belt. I think you learn a lot (in any venture) by being thrown into the fire for a while, and then having time to reflect on the experience. It would help him so much going in to next year.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Nov 22, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Palko isnt the answer here. Stanzi could very well be and its worth getting him familiar with the NFL a little bit. At least we could scout if he has a little potential

by TheScreenName on Nov 22, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Thoughts about the game

The Chiefs offense started the game O.K. (read: Palko didn’t suck as bad as I thought he would) but, once the Patriot’s got to see this guy for a few possessions, Palko’s game went down hill. Simply said, the guy can’t throw the football well enough to stay in NFL. Palko did have one good stretch were he completed a few throws over the middle – the rest of his work was pretty darn bad.

The KC defense played with a purpose for a quarter and a half but, it too was solved by Brady & the NE offense. Once the Patriots offense got going, the Chiefs were done.

I was kinda surprized that the Patriots got the big play on special teams, I thought the Chiefs would be the team with the nice return.

…told you guys about Gronkowski – the kid’s a beast and he’s sure fun to watch.

by profootballfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd and always an entertaining read

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Nov 22, 2011 1:52 PM CST reply actions  

Oh yeah

REC!

Got so caught up with the lively discussion, I forgot to do my due diligence and pulled a Pioli…

by SCKSChief on Nov 22, 2011 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

MN

They say that great minds think alike. Therefore, I’m convinced you are a great mind and will do great things as a lawyer.

TRAIN WRECKED

2010 = The beginning of a dynasty

by ChiefWildcat on Nov 22, 2011 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

Love this article

Great analysis of the current situation and the game last night. At least there are some folks on here that aren’t complete morons.

2011 Chiefs record prediction: 7-9

by Kristospherein on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

It seems like we have been talking about the same stuff since our 0-2 start...and its getting boring

why don’t you tell us all what we REALLY want to know…how did your big date with HIV go?

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Nov 22, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

It was awesome...

Protected sex of course. Didn’t want the AP name HIV 2 Sully.

by SullyWA2 on Nov 22, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

It was OK

Didn’t even get to 2nd base though. I think I blew my chances by bringing my wife, yanno?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering why you would bring your wife on a date...

unless of course it was to get “approval”….ya know

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Nov 23, 2011 6:45 AM CST up reply actions  

She was for protection

To make sure he didn’t slip something into my drink…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 23, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok...see THAT one I could buy

the other one was quite a stretch as it was

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Nov 23, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Great read Rec'd

Palko is not the answer. A guy who loses out to Brodie Croyle shouldn’t be an answer for anybody in the NFL, or so I thought.

I’m concerned with how little has been done with depth and the complete disfunction from the offensive side of the ball. We’re terrible on offense.

I’d love to land RG3. But at this point, I’d love any QB that could give us a chance to at least get a first down. I’m afraid of setting the team back with another HC, but I think its time to start exploring what options are available after this season ends. Haley’s lost his luster.

RG3, its easy as ABC.

by shotty on Nov 22, 2011 2:55 PM CST reply actions  

To compare him to Cassel and bring up that Palko threw for 66%

is kinda ridiculous.. The Patriots secondary is very weak and they were missing there best DB plus had a few guys get hurt throughout the game… I believe Cassel would have went for 300+ on these guys. Our receivers were wide open quite a bit last night and thats something we dont see much of. Not saying Cassel is Great,but Palko isnt near the QB Cassel is.

If this was against a good D, Palko would have threw a few more INTs with that weak throw. He did better then I expected, but again, it was against one of the worst secondaries in the league. His true test is against at least an average secondary. I see where you are going with it, comparing a backups performance to Cassels to show how average Cassel is, but I dont think this is the right defense to make that claim.

by TheScreenName on Nov 22, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

to add to this

Palko became very unsettled after his first pick and pressure started coming. Steelers defense is going to make Palko crumble and will result in him being pulled for Stanzi. Just a prediction

by TheScreenName on Nov 22, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see that happening.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 22, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

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