Luck (The Non-Andrew Kind) And Fate For The Kansas City Chiefs
Luck is a funny thing. It tends to run in trends, either bad or good. A big problem with luck is that until we have the benefit of hindsight it can be difficult to decide whether a "break" was truly lucky or unlucky.
For example, the college I was going to decided to make it nearly impossible for me to get an English degree doing online classes. This seemed like a bad break at the time, since I thought I wanted to be an English teacher. But then I started looking into the online classes that were offered, and found an emphasis on law. One thing led to another, and a few years later I'm attending a top 20 law school getting most of my tuition paid.
(Yeah, I know, it sounds pretentious to say it the way I did. There's no way around it coming off like that. But the point is I got a break that looked bad and it actually ended up working out REALLY well for me. So I added in the "top 20" and "scholarship" stuff to add to the point. That's just the way it shook out. So ignore the what-looks-like-bragging-but-is-actually-proof-of-my-point, believe me when I tell you I know I haven't accomplished anything impressive as of yet and just got lucky, and let's move on.)
Anyways, now that JComp's already skipped over the remainder of this intro due to length, I suppose I can do you a favor and get to the point (or at least, a point. Any point. It doesn't even have to be a good point. That's the beauty of dragging things out. It gets people so desperate for a point they'll take anything. Write that down).
We've had some ROUGH breaks this year. Absolutely God awful bad luck. More specifically, I think to our schedule and (more importantly) our injuries. Looking back, though, I'm starting to wonder if in the big picture, those rough breaks turn out to be the best thing for our team.
(Look, this is a long post. 2700+ words. So I've broken it down into sections. So if you're someone who just can't stand the idea of reading too much read the intro, then skip ahead to whatever section interests you. Spoiler alert, there's one section that explains why Matt Cassel was our best offensive player Monday night. But I'm not going to tell you which one! Haha, try skipping around NOW!)
When Tony Moeaki went down, I thought it was bad. Then when Jonathan Baldwin broke his thumb, I was disappointed and a little concerned. Then Eric Berry went down. Uh oh. Then Jamaal Charles. OK, time to hit the panic button.While this was happening, we were getting absolutely creamed by the Bills and the Lions, two of the "easier" teams on our very tough schedule. Crap. Then Matty Nice threw one of the most inexcusable and mystifying interceptions I've ever seen to end our third game (and loss). Crap again.
Just that quickly, our season looked like it was over before it even started. I mean, what can you say when you lose two of your best players and the guys your offense and defense are built around? And nearly as badly, losing a valuable tight end who is vastly superior to his very, very average backup (no offense, Pope. I'm glad you're not Sean Ryan, but you are what you are. Which is average)? And to add insult to injury, your freak-of-nature first round pick?
Most of us were ready to jump off a really high building at this point, and I was right there with you. It was just so easy to make the excuse of injuries that there was a certain peace to it. The Suck for Luck campaign was in full force, and I looked at our schedule and wondered if we had a win in us anywhere.
Well, now that I've put myself through the emotional hell of reliving that stretch, let me tell you something; it seems as though something good has come out of almost every bad break we had.
The Berry injury
It's tough to see any silver lining when you lose your stud of a SS who can do anything. But I believe Monday night we may have started to see what could prove to be a long lasting benefit for our team... the switch to man-to-man coverage rather than a "soft zone."
Now, that may very well have been a one time thing to deal with Phumble Rivers, but given how successful it was (yes, I know Rivers threw for tons of yards. But he's Rivers. That's gonna happen. We stopped them multiple times when it counted), I can't imagine they're going to go completely back to the soft zone that's been the source of so much frustration for us Chiefs fans.
We've got talented CBs who are capable of manning up against anyone (did everyone see Flowers owning those "too big for him" WRs last night? Did you get a good look? Good), yet we've insisted on this soft zone that seems to give up yardage anytime a QB decides to try.
My theory? With Berry, we were able to get away with it. When you've got a SS who is capable of covering so much ground, it masks deficiencies in the scheme. Without Berry, those deficiencies were suddenly exposed as pass after pass was completed to seemingly wide-open receivers (remember Curtis Painter passing for a thousand yards and seven TDs in something like three minutes? Yeah...).
So we had to adapt. We had send more blitzes, and rely more on our corners' talent than in the scheme itself. I hope the trend continues, because it's the ONE good thing that's come of Berry being hurt (It still sucks though, especially with our D starting to look very legit even without him. Throw in a stud SS and you've eliminated our D's weak spot. Sigh...)
The injuries to Moeaki, Charles, and Baldwin, along with our tough first two games
Let me start with a simple, uncontroversial statement.
Matt Cassel was our best offensive player Monday night.
(Wait! Hear me out! I swear to God I haven't taken him back sooner than I said I would! I'm not that weak! I know he'll never respect me if I let him be my QB again so soon!)
He was. Seriously! I'll get back to this later and prove it to you, but he was. And it may well be due to the injuries that have devastated us on offense to this point.
We'll start with Moeaki. The guy's a great blocker, and a great pass-catcher. His soft hands and reliable route running made him a wonderful "safety valve" for Cassel. He was a guy who made the QB feel comfortable with only going through one read, because he had that "bailout" receiver to go to. In addition, with Cassel's struggles to look beyond more than one receiver, having a guy like Moeaki kept Cassel from looking elsewhere (pretty logical, right? You go with who you're comfortable with).
Next, let's look at Jamaal Charles. The ultimate "I'll make up for any deficiency we have on offense" guy. He's so talented, that blocking didn't matter. QB play didn't matter. Thomas Jones looking washed up didn't matter. Because JC would, a remarkable percentage of the time, bail our offense out with an incredible play. So deficiencies on offense went unaddressed (like poor playcalling, for example. Those handoffs on 3rd and long don't look so hot without an All-Universe RB getting them, do they?).
Then there's Baldwin. A huge, fast receiver with (from the looks of things) great body control and an eye for the ball. Having him out there immediately would have obviously been a boon for our offense, especially with the other two injuries.
All of those guys getting hurt was devastating for Matt Cassel, who'd been living his life with bailout guys around him. He looked worse than lost in those first couple of games. Throwing in the high caliber (yeah, I'm talking about the Bills and Lions. Isn't the NFL weird? This is why I prefer it to the NBA, where there are almost never serious, overnight turnarounds) competition made the effect even worse. He looked AWFUL, bad enough that many (including me) were calling for his removal. After all, we were going to be horrible anyways, so why not see what Stanzi or even Palko can do?
Fast forward to the Minnesota game and the Cassl/Haley blowup. Now, I don't think it was a matter of those two hating each other, or the team getting away from Haley. I think that Haley finally got ticked off enough at Cassel to start treating him the way he's treated every other player since he got here (with tremendous success for the most part). He told him he was playing awful football. Cassel, being a gamer (no one has ever questioned his heart. Just everything else), responded the way a gamer does by getting fired up.
I think without those injuries and those first two blowouts, along with that God-awful pick against the Chargers, that sideline incident never happens. Haley keeps taking it a little easier on Cassel, Cassel never gets ticked off and starts playing with purpose, and we continue to see a "scared to lose" Matt Cassel out there. So in hindsight, those blowouts and that bad beat to San Diego may have helped our quarterback become the player we need him to be.
Needing to Adapt
(Yeah, I added another "title" just for the sake of breaking this up a little. Because I'm getting longwinded even for me, and we've got a little ways to go).
Back to the injuries. Cassel now finds himself without his safety net TE, his stud RB, or his freak first round WR. Haley's lit a fire under him. But what to do? Team's are keying on Bowe, and regardless of how awesome he is, he can't do it alone.
Cue Bowe leaving a game with some kind of stinger for just a few minutes. Now Cassel is really screwed. Except... a funny thing happened. This guy that we signed by the name of Steve Breaston suddenly became a factor. Cassel HAD to look his way. There was no one else. And Stevie delivered big time. That guy can ball.
Suddenly Cassel had two receivers he's comfortable with. The offense starts to open up a little. But while all this was transpiring, there was still the matter of running the football. We knew TJ wasn't up to it. Dex is too small. McClain wasn't being given the option (for whatever reason, I still don't get that one). So again, we're screwed, right?
Wrong. Because we forgot about Jackie Battle. A very forgivable sin, really. After all, he'd spent his entire career tantalizing us in the preseason only to contribute nothing once games started to matter. Then he got a shot against the Vikings as we attempted to ice the game, and answered the call with POWERFUL running. I know for me, I was just happy that he'd done something. I didn't figure it would become a trend. (I know, I'm such a hater...)
Now we're four weeks later, and I feel stupid. Because Jackie Battle looks legit. He's got enough speed to get upfield quickly (something TJ lacks), and has the power to make almost any run a positive one. He's been a major contributor in every win. We've found a back who seems above average to complement Jamaal Charles when he returns, a legitimate "thunder" back that we as a fanbase have been begging for. I see us having one of the best running games of all time next year if JC comes back healthy. And it never would've happened had JC not gone down.
Back to Monday Night... (I swear to God this is the last one)
Back to my statement about Cassel on Monday night. I was originally going to just do a side note on his game, but I'm going to go a little more in depth (and by a little, I mean a lot), and there's a decent chance that my parentheses keys are going to fall off if I hit them one more time. (Let's see... Nope, still working)
When I watch a QB play, I don't pay much attention to the stats. Sure, after the game they become a way of looking at the big picture, but DURING the game, there's only one method to figuring out QB play (that's right, I'm about to divulge the secret to deciding on a QB!): you weigh the "nice!" versus the "crap."
By that, I mean you take the number of times something your QB does makes you say, "nice" against the number of times something he does makes you say, "crap." Awesome catches don't count (that's on the receiver). Neither do routine incomplete passes (unless, of course it's happening over and over. At which point they start becoming "crap"-worthy) or drops that are pretty clearly on the receiver. I'm talking about the QB alone. What did he make you say as the game went along?
And you know what, ol' Matt had WAY more plays that made me say, "nice!" than those that made me say "crap" (I've been thinking of calling these "groans" as well. You guys decide. I like "groans" better, I think. It's more descriptive and accurate).
Even when you go to the 2nd and 3rd quarter, when our offense stalled, I didn't see many "groan" (yep, I like that better) moments from Cassel. Seriously, before you call me an apologist or Kool-Aid drinker, watch the tape again. For a little preview of that research I have no doubt you'll do, just look at the "drive logs" in the 2nd quarter.
1st Drive- A run, 2 penalties, and 2 more runs. The first penalty was an offensive pass interference on Bowe that got a borderline "nice" checkdown to McClain called back (MC checked down? What the crap is happening here?)
2nd Drive- A 2 yard run then 2 incomplete passes. Yuck. Except... Cassel's first incomplete pass was a perfectly good throw to Baldwin that the rook just dropped (would've been about a 5 yard gain). And even worse, the 3rd and 8 down play was a very "nice" play by Cassel in which he bought time in the pocket, stepped up, delivered a strike to Bowe... which Bowe dropped (now in his defense he was being climbed by a Charger at the time).
3rd Drive- Two runs by TJ for a total of 6 yards. Then the infamous Non-Fumble. Barry Richardson was beaten in embarrassing fashion, so this wasn't a case of Cassel causing the sack. And that was no fumble. Seriously. The ball traveled forward! How would this happen without him being in a throwing motion? (fortunately, the refs were horrible towards both sides)
4th (and final) Drive- I'm not even going to go into the play-by-play here, other than to say that Haley needs to get his poop in a group with these end-of-half drives. Seriously, that was embarrassing. It was made even worse by the fact that when we finally threw the ball with hardly any time left we STILL got close enough for a FG. I'm convinced we left a TD on the field here.
-Moral of the story with all this? Cassel was still playing well in the 2nd half, and had a series of crap happen to him that genuinely was not his fault (penalties, drops, horrible blocking and call, and horrible playcalling). Watch the tape, this is no "OMG don't question Cassel!" rant. Watch the tape. Not just of the 2nd quarter, but the whole game. Very few "groan" plays from Cassel, and quite a few "nice" plays.
(Including those picks. One dropped pass, another in which he had to alter his throw at the last second as Lilja got manhandled into him. One not even a little his fault, the other is... well, I can't decide. What do you do as a QB when you've started to step into your throw and a guy is blocked into you? I can't make up my mind on that one).
Disagree with me if you want. But do yourself a favor and watch the game again. Count your number of "nice" vs your number of "groans" that come based just on Cassel. I think you'll be surprised.
In Summation (Yeah, I lied. But this is for those that are going to skip through most of this novel)
Matt Cassel was our best offensive player Monday night. That's now 3 straight games (and a half, I guess, if you count the Vikings game) in which he's had quite a few more "nice" than "crap" individual moments. Will it keep up? I have no idea. But I do know that it probably doesn't happen without Moeaki, JC, and Baldwin going down.
Additionally, Flowers is playing like the lockdown guy he is, and our defense is finally bringing some heat while playing something other than soft zone (at least part of the time). And I don't think this happens without Berry going down.
Additionally, our team is playing with grit and heart (H2E just gagged), and I think it's a result of playing two surprisingly good teams under horrible circumstances and then blowing what should have been a win. Again, something bad turning good (well, kind of good. Those losses are, after all, still a part of our record).
I'm still hesitant to say we're a playoff team. No Moeaki, Berry, and Charles leaves me doubting. But long term, big picture? Cassel emerging and our defense adapting to life without Berry could (if it continues) pay more long term dividends than anyone not named Aiken could possibly imagine.
Bad luck turned good. Who'd have thought?
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My eyes hurt, but I Rec'd you good sir..
Adversity is the fire in which Great teams are forged.
Great post MN.
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Thanks, and I agree
I don’t know if we’ve got it in us to be great without our key players, but I think we’ll be a better team upon their return than we were when they left.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Luck is right, but teams are wising up
Which player seemed to be on tv most during MNF?
McGraw. It seemed every time he either missed a tackle, tried to cover (and got blown away until he got help), they showed him on tv.
SD finally got the idea and started targeting anyone McGraw was covering.
Until we get someone to step up to take over for McGraw, teams are going to wise-up and go after him.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 2, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I agree
I was actually pumped when Donald Washington came in and took McGraw’s place when McGraw went out with an apparent stinger.
When we're getting excited about Donald Washing playing its a very bad thing.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Nov 2, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It makes me sad
But I agree with you.
And aasukisuki makes a good point about Washington. I also was glad to see him come in, even if I don’t want to see McGraw hurt.
Washington’s not great or even that good, but he’s improved and is average. Jon McGraw is not.
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I'm not a McGraw fan, but
I think you are being a little hard on him this time. He did a good job of keeping Gates in check most of the time by banging him off the line and holding as much as he could get away with. Any time a team can hold Gates to just a few receptions when Rivers is having a hard time finding his other receivers, you have to give credit where credit is due.
Ancora imparo.
With help from Daniels
When it was one on one, it was not good.
by SCKSChief on Nov 2, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If bracketing Gates is what it takes to win the game, we do it. I don't care if we have to dig Dexter McCleon back up and put him out there on 3rd and 7.
It also showed our #1 and #2 corners (#1a and b??) can handle big-time competition one on one, for the most part.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
No argument here
I was just stating that McGraw was only routinely good when helped with a double-team. Otherwise, he was just run away from.
I am not a McGraw fan, but mid cal I agrre with you somewhat. Mcgraw is savvy, but slow
way to slow for this league. He made some plays and missed some too. Until DWash can earn the starting role we have a liability in the passing game with him.
I'd agree with the Nice Vs. Groans comment....but they're more of a "suprised" nice
I still cover one eye when he drops back to pass
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-Dwight Schrute
I've been doing it less and less lately
Which is one thing that’s caught my eye. I’m starting to expect good things when he drops back.
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Now that you mention it
I have to agree. I was very pleased after the game Mondcay night to realize I was not cringing ever time MC dropped back. Suprisingly I was confident that he could make something happen. Does that mean im an MC homer….no but it does mean he is showing enough to believe he can make things happen. It felt great to not sit there watching the game wondering what was going to go wrong next. Hell, I think its been a long time sense I could say that and while reading this post I realized it was more of a “bad ass he hit em” kind of game. Guess thats where the whole believe thing comes in. I am starting to.
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
It felt great to not sit there watching the game wondering what was going to go wrong next
Exactly. Now, will he keep it up? We’ll see.
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I'm in agreement with both you and MN, BD.
I’ve been a critic (not a hater) of MC since his first year in KC. However, I’ve started to expect good things (fingers crossed) when he drops back to pass. I’ve noticed that he doesn’t stare down his primary target as much. He seems to be getting better at his reads and progressions, most of the time. I still wish that he didn’t have such tunnel vision so often and would be able to see and react positively to rushers that should be in his field of vision. I have hope that MC will keep improving with study and practice. Even his arm strength can be improved with proper training.
sort of like your posts ... how many sentences or ideas do I read that make me say "oh hell yeah" vs how many do I read that make me say "wait, that's not worth a parenthetical aside!"
well done (steak) as always, MN … I’m waiting for the “down the stretch” games to see where and what this team really is … Steelers, Pats, Bears, Jets, Packers … I can’t wait for those games! (well, I can wait, and in fact I have to wait because they aren’t here yet, but you get the idea)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Pam--you're back! Where the hell have you been hiding?
Me personally, I see us going 2-3 during that stretch (MAAAAYBE 3-2). If RAC can come up with something special for the Patriots, we “might” be able to steal that victory. Pittsburgh, I dunno…their wideouts have the same or more speed than our corners, and Heath Miller is getting involved in the offense at just the right time.
I see us doing well against Chicago. That one’s not going to be as hard as we think it is (and yes, I live in Iowa Bears country, so I’m keeping that on the DL). Also, the Jets aren’t quite as good in ’11 as they were in ’10…
Green Bay, well, we’ll see. But I ain’t holding my breath.
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Des Moines/Ames area.
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-Marty Schottenheimer
I never left :-)
though I do post less now that I’m getting more substitute gigs … that and a pretty dead ISP is keeping my comment count low
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
A very good idea
I’m withholding any real judgment for at least another 3-4 weeks or so.
If even one game happens where he’s more “groan” than anything else, I’m going to continue to be skeptical.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Really REALLY liked the play where Matt sidestepped a couple defenders, stepped up in the pocket, and delivered a decent enough ball.
It wasn’t a complete pass but that is what I want to see more of from Matt. His scramble he had was pretty sweet too. I think the coaching staff needs to allow him to win games and not be afraid of losing them. Let the guy play. Put in a TE and RB to block and eventually Bowe, Breaston, or Baldwin will get open. Air it out early and let Battle put it away.
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Nov 2, 2011 11:26 AM CDT reply actions
Two things I saw him do I liked
1) move around in the pocket, feel the pressure and escape it with keeping his vision downfield…and more impressively….
2) I swear to god, I saw him scan the field to his 3rd and 4th progressions. I swear!
Now had the SD defender kept his balance and returned Cassels duck for pick-6 at the end of regulation, I think I would have burned his house down.
I wouldn’t say it was his best game (3 TO’s are 3 TO’s) but he did make some very quality throws and quality decisions and he did impress me the way he kept his shit together with the playcalling fiasco.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 2, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously what is the deal with the playcalling?
It’s bad enough that the dude has so many different coordinators in such a short period of time. Now they can’t even get the plays in to him and half the time the play call is crap. I’m officially turning in my resume for offensive coordinator. I’m pretty good at Madden, and I feel that makes me slightly more qualified then Muir. At least I can stay awake for a whole game.
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Nov 2, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
In Muir's defense, he was helping us by sleeping
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I'm with you on those first two
Watching the replays I couldn’t believe it… he kept scanning the field, time and again. WHILE moving around the pocket. It was nuts.
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what?!? OUR Matt Cassel?!?
I saw him scan the field to his 3rd and 4th progressions
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Isn't it a thing of beauty?
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
our little boy is growing up at last?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
hell yes, but that what we get when we give him some time to throw. Dago's pass
rush was missing their 2 most important players, so just think if we had a better talent than BRich starting. We would see this offense hit on more cylinders.
I'm ready to start a Gaither chant right now
Especially given that we’re transitioning to more of a passing team.
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That was the play I'm talking about, where Bowe made the drop
Even though it ended with the drop, that was one of the plays that made me say “nice”
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
This season we shall really get to see what Cassel offers us(hopefully ya know)
I can see us having to line up in a shotgun 3+wide set and let Cassel fling the ball around.. If Charles/TonyM were playing we may not get the chance to see it(as bad as that sounds).
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I agree.
Great players around you can almost serve as a crutch insead of a springboard. Cassel lost a great player and another very good one. Time to make things work.
I’m with you on 3-wide sets. We need to be pass first with a healthy dose of Battle, then grind teams down once we have the lead with Battle and even TJ (once we have a lead. I don’t want him carrying the ball when we’re down or tied).
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IF Baldwin can continue to improve(Which I don't see how he can not)
The offense could really get rolling with Breastons quickness on NB/LBs, Bowe doing his thing, and Baldwin bailing Cassel out with his jumps. Should leave us plenty of room to leave a blocking TE/blocking back in to keep Cassel upright long enough
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Also, it could give us room to have Dex running underneath routes out of the backfield and getting him into space
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bad idea
Dex is not a RB or Slot Receiver … he’s an awesome return guy, he really is, he’s fabulous and makes me think of Dante Hall with cool dreads, but out of the backfield? uhm … no, not seeing it
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Swing passes out of the backfield work well with Dex
IF he has room to get up to speed and make cuts.. if the coverage is there, he is dropped for a loss
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
So who was that wearing 22, out of the backfield, on the last drive of the game Ups?
I disagree, and that final drive proved why…
I think we need to pull out some of the old Priest Holmes shiznit for Dex…and commit to getting him more carries NEXT year…when he comes to camp weighing at least 181.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 2, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
only if we can re-sign Roaf and Shields and get Waters back from the Pats
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Roaf's retired, Shields is too...and Waters is on his last hurrah.
If you’re running the Wayback Machine, then yes…bring them in all their 2003 glory. If you’re bringing them in tomorrow, in 2011 form….ehh nope.
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he works best underneath against the nickel & dime packages that have the corners play 10 yards off the WRs.
That gives him space & there isn’t as good of a chance of a 270lb meathead waiting to crush him behind the LOS
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I disagree.
I think he can be a great change of pace back, but he’s too impatient right now. He reminds me of Charles when he first came in the league where as soon as he got the ball, he’s trying to get to full speed. I think if Dex can learn to wait for his blocks to create some open space, watch out. He’ll become an excellent swing/screen pass catcher and do some serious damage. He’s even good at running routes out of the backfield (a’la the TD he had during the 49ers game last year)
Watch OT again
He can’t be used a ton, no. But he’s a good receiver out of the backfield when not being used for a screen that the entire D knows is coming.
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Yeah I think the "trick" (but it's just so basic, how can it be a trick) is to let him be an option
Stop trotting him out there and telegraphing to the world, “Hey, we’re going to run a draw or a screen to Dex now, mmkay?”
Line him up in the back field, play action to him (coverage will bite, often), or send him out in the flats, or on an out route / wheel route out of the backfield. They have to account for him.
If they don’t account for him, hit him in stride and let him do his thing in the open field. If they get jittery and commit to covering him, chances are someone like Bowe or Baldwin or Breaston will have a favorable matchup somewhere, proceed through the QB progressions and hit them in their routes.
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As much as I want to see us next year getting the running game going again with Charles
It just might work in our favor to stick to a 3wide shutgun set(if it works this year).. 1 maybe 2 LBs on defense as we spred them out along with Charles quickness out of a shotgun set which should allow him to pick holes/pick up speed and give him an easier time of going through DBs instead of DL/LBs
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping there's a plan to unveil a "new" offense vs. NE
With our receivers there could be some big mismatches against their D. I hope we have a very aggressive gameplan going into Foxborough, passing early and often.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Never a better time than against NE
Their pass D is TERRIBLE
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Very nice read MN
Our D is really surprising right now without Berry. Kendrick Lewis is playing some his best football right now to add. Tjax is stepping it up too. I would like to see Gilberry’s name with more sacks behind it. No deep passes to Marshall this weekend please….
Lewis is starting to roam more, which has been very very nice
Can you imagine Lewis roaming deep with Berry roaming shallow?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Love the article MN as always
But I have to disagree with you on Matt’s first INT that was on him because it should have never been thrown as Baldwin was at least double covered if not triple covered.
Well, no. Not at all. Not sure where you're getting that.
Pause it at :07 in, he has a DB covering him from behind, and he has a huge size advantage on him. The LB in front of him rolled to the outside and was trying to change directions to go back toward the middle. That’s the result of a well-run route doing what it’s supposed to do – fool the underneath coverage to go the wrong way. He’s a non factor.
Only other defender in view is several yards away / behind and not at all involved.
So all he has to contend with is the DB on his back, which he used his body to block out Bowe style – he just didn’t go up strong enough like he should have.
Also pause again around the 0:20 mark for a better / QB point of view shot of it hitting Baldwin in the hands.
On what are you basing your shouldn’t have thrown / double-triple coverage theory?
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by TRSChief on Nov 2, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well said
I’ve seen others putting that theory out there. Nice job refuting (better than I could do)
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Good response.
Wish I could watch the replay. For some reason, NFL Videos always say they are no longer available for me, even if it’s only the next day.
If it hits the receiver in the hands but bounces off them and becomes tip-drill fodder, that is not on Matt Cassel
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
So? He nailed the throw!
There was a window there, and Cassel drilled it. He can make those throws all day if he’s slinging it like that.
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Earlier this year he looked terrible even when he had time
But yes, all QB’s need some blocking. Which means B-rich=bad for our team.
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These on-again / off-again relationships are crazy.
You say you haven’t taken him back…yet.
But inside, you know you’re going to. It’s just a matter of time. It doesn’t make you weak. It’s not even Stockholm Syndrome. You just…can’t help it.
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It's a sickness, to be sure
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Nice write up
I think my favorite part of Cassel’s play on Monday night was watching him make progressions in his reads. My biggest knock on him, has always been the way he would lock on to a reciever. Several times that game he threw to someone other than his primary target.
Agreed. I almost fell out of my chair.
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I jumped out of my chair the first time
scared the dogs and upset the Wife, but dang it felt good to see that.
I'm so happy to see others saying it.
I’ve noticed it a few times in previous games, and now he’s doing it more and more.
This post really points to how the NFL as a whole
really reads as a novel. The league provides all of it’s fans with such amazing storylines, year in and year out.
Hell, if Pollard doesn’t take Brady’s knee out, Cassel never makes it to KC to begin with.
Without the LJ implosion, Charles is still riding pine, or god-forbid a killer back for some other team.
This is all just recent history, injuries and decisions end up making the history of the league we all live with. Look at the story of Rich Gannon for just another example….
It is no small wonder at all, that NFL football is America’s new past time. How the story unfolds, the journey of each team, and each player…intrigue at it’s finest.
Now that was a bad start.... Big finish ????
by Lucky777Luciano on Nov 2, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
Speaking of Pollard
Have any of you happened to catch any of the Ravens games? That dude seems to be good for at least one Personal Foul a game, a PI, a burnt coverage, and about 5 vicious hits a game. Entertaining if nothing else.
Ol' Bernie
is most certainly a head scratcher.
Always felt that guy could’ve been great if he just wasn’t…..plain stupid.
Now that was a bad start.... Big finish ????
by Lucky777Luciano on Nov 2, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
OUCH
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Sadly, I can't.
Pollard is just terrible in coverage. Man / zone / anything. A real liability in the passing game.
McGraw just doesn’t have the physical tools anymore, but still puts himself in the right place, takes good enough angles to help cover up his physical limitations and all. I honestly would still rather have McGraw and Sabby, because Sabby can still show some improvement on the mental aspects.
Living in Titans-Land, even after we parted with Pollard, I saw him plenty playing for Houston. The guy had a career year in number of tackles, which looked impressive on the stats sheet. But the Texans had the worst pass defense in the NFL, and he was a big part of that. (Subsequently why they too let him go).
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Unless he is hitting a player out of bounds(see Chiefs vs Texans last year)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
what, ripping him for doing what he's supposed to do? come on, man
I saw him plenty playing for Houston. The guy had a career year in number of tackles, which looked impressive on the stats sheet
so, the Ravens … where do they rank in pass defense right now? (just curious) … honestly I never understood the Pollard Hate … especially since none of it started until after he was gone (and I still think he was made a “whipping boy/example” by Haley & Pioli)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Baltimore Pass Rank
3rd in yards given up with 1219
3rd in YPG with 174
3rd in YPA with 6.1
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Nope, ups. You're just wrong there. I didn't like Pollard when we had him.
He was Mike Brown bad in coverage.
I don’t hate the guy, he just isn’t a good safety.
He wasn’t doing his job, as you put it. A safety’s job is to help in pass coverage, even a SS. It’s not all the FS’s job. And Pollard is absolutely terrible in coverage. He bites on every fake.
He at least has Ed Reed to ball hawk and bail him out in BAL right now. That would help even you and I in coverage. Reed is legendary. His only SS competition on the team is Tom Zbikowsky (huh?).
Not to mention the fact he has a legendary LB corps and D Line in front of him. So there’s an awful lot going on to mask his considerable weaknesses, and let him play to his one strength.
Can you honestly, with a straight face, go back and watch his games with KC and HOU and say he was anything short of a liability in pass coverage?
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Yeah, Bernard Pollard is the reason for the BAL's success against the pass
I feel someone streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching a little :)
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No I wouldn't agree with that, but I would counter:
An average, to slightly below average, safety > McGraw, Piscetelli, or Pollard.
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by Lucky777Luciano on Nov 2, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington > Pollard
Get that dude on the field
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Agreed
The D with McGraw off the field > The D with McGraw on the field
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by Lucky777Luciano on Nov 2, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If DWash can get some more experience, he could become pretty useful.
Athletic as hell, I just hope the guy can get the mental part of the game down and we’ll have a huge asset there.
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He's looked decent out there IMO
I don’t see him nearly as much as McGraw when he’s in the game, which is a GOOD thing. You don’t want to notice a S unless he makes a pick or stop at the line.
With McGraw, I see him constantly… 10 yards downfield making a tackle as soon as the guy catches the ball.
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No Dread...Pollard>McGraw is a fallacy.
They’re about equal as tacklers, and Pollard’s always been a joke in coverage (much like Quicksand McGraw now). But McGraw has savvy, whereas Pollard has…none. That typically made up for some of McGraw’s slow slopness.
Now Sabby < Pollard? ….Maybe. I’m still not sold on Jersey Shore, he got away with a serious hold on Mon night.
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And was a day late and a dollar short on the San Diego TD
Had he met the diving RB instead of running over to him once he was in the pile, he may have knocked that ball loose before the score.
you know that call against Pollard in the Jax game was one of the WORST calls of the year ... and that gawdawful call in alll liklihood gave Jax the game
Have any of you happened to catch any of the Ravens games? That dude seems to be good for at least one Personal Foul a game
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
yeah, it was a bad call.
However, in the game this past weekend against AZ, he drilled someone out of bounds.
WEIRD I KNOW!
I would argue that Pollard drove up Cassels price.
I think Pioli had a big enough hard for the kid to bring him to KC.
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Good point
An eternal novel…
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Great lunch time read..
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by CHIEFFAN82 on Nov 2, 2011 11:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You read that over lunch?
Fast reader…
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A case could be made for Baldwin for the best player of that game
For his TD catch alone.. without that amazing laidout catch we might have stalled again allowing SD to take the lead and hold it
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Some nice catches, but also a few bad drops
Had to rewatch to confirm, but a few bounced off the gloves. Glad to see Cassel keep feeding him though…
Yeah, only way we're going to get him broken in for the pro level.
He’ll have his share of drops, wrong routes, etc that come with adjusting to the game at pro speed. But he’s a physical freak and really talented and I think once he gets that experience of just having to go out and make the plays, he’ll be pretty scary for us.
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Just hope they drafted him to compliment Bowe
not replace Bowe.
by ArrowDread on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
of the many issues I have w' this front office,
keeping our best home-grown talent in-house is not one of them.
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2 drops IIRC, the first one is completely on him(sideline drop)
However its good to see him go up and go after a ball that I’m not even sure Bowe would have had a chance at. This offense could be very scary soon
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I know what play you guys are talking about
The sideline throw isn’t something I’d call a drop. He’s running full out, had a DB draped all over him, jumped, adjusted in the air and didn’t haul it in. It hit him in the hands so he absolutely should have caught it, but it would have been a great catch.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 2, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course YOU would say that
Cassel homer.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 2, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Hater
I’ll give it up. Cassel had a C+/ B- type game. Some of the 3rd down throws were nice. Still eye-fucks his WRs too hard. But dude wasnt total garbage. Thats as complimentary as I can be.
Yeah, but that was described above, and I already said that the ball could have been placed better
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
TRS in the comments linked a vid of it silly
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Go to law school
And get lost in AP when you’re supposed to be paying attention in class.
Problem solved.
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I think he went to look at the sideline before securing the catch to make sure he could get in bounds
Was great attempt but when the ball hits you in the hands, you gotta bring it in.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that one wasn't really on Baldwin
Tough catch to make.
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It's the kind of catch you want a 1st round draft pick WR to make
But probably shouldn’t expect in his rookie year. With a little experience, say by his 2nd / 3rd seasons, one should expect him to catch more of those than he doesn’t.
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He almost had it
I’m guessing at least half the time he makes that grab. Most WR’s wouldn’t have even been close IMO…
But yeah, as he goes along… It’s tough not to get excited about the possibilties with him. He looked great for his second game out there.
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Glad all the flak Baldwin received is gone
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
6 or 7 games under his belt
and I’m thinking he hauls in that catch.
He has to still be in that rookie “thinking too much” phase; with just now getting his feet wet.
Now that was a bad start.... Big finish ????
by Lucky777Luciano on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Good call
He shows great concentration with the ball
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Yup. Probably still a little rusty after the bench time post-injury as well.
Again, hopefully with some more experience under his belt at the pro level we’ll see some pretty spectacular stuff.
I’m pretty optimistic about that happening right now. Just a little frustrating at times while the young’uns develop.
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Precisely.
I’m perfectly willing to give an OLB a couple of seasons to adjust to the speed of the game in the NFL, just like D Line get 2-3 (realistically – not everyone can be Suh).
I was fine with giving TJax til his third year to look like a legitimate starter (he does now, fortunately), and I think by mid/late next season Houston should grow into his NFL shoes.
It really is a world of difference from the NCAA to the NFL. And people often forget these are usually 21-22 year olds making this adjustment.
I still consider myself when I was that age to be barely more than a kid. (I did then, too – which is why I swore I’d never get married before 30, just to be safe!) I knew my limitations and that I still had a healthy dose of teenager DERP leftover to grow out of.
Same thing with these guys and trying to come in and compete with veterans of the game who have been playing in the pros since a lot of these rookies were 10 years old. That’s a lot of wily tricks to learn to adapt to in a year.
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Houston has already vastly surpassed
Many, many college players trying to play 3-4 OLB in the NFL. So that’s encouraging.
He was getting some pressure in there.
Then again, Stude’s playing way better as of late. Houston may well be feeling the heat…
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It was a great catch
but Baldwin didn’t throw himself the ball. That pass was perfectly placed where only Baldwin could get it. To me that’s the most frustrating part about Matt Cassel. He shows glimpses of what he can be, he’s just not that way all of the time.
Actually watch the SD defender slip, without that slip and the laidout catch it may have been an INT
Baldwin didn’t throw himself the ball, Cassel didn’t lay himself out to catch his throw..works both ways
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You must have missed the part where I said it was a great catch.
I’m all about giving credit to both Baldwin and Cassel.
No I didn't miss that part
Was just saying that it was a slip that allowed the ball to be placed only where Baldwin could get it
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The defense played great, and the offense tried their best to lose that game.
The offense played good at times, but disappeared for 2 quarters. They need to be more consistent if the Chiefs want to make the playoffs.
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by saskwatch on Nov 2, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
though McGraw was mostly to blame,
the D did give up 350+ to Rivers through the air & there has GOT to be more 4 man pressure on these top tier QBs or Brady & Rodgers are gonna chow down on us.
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I will easily give up 350+ yards to Brady/Rodgers if they only get 1 TD for the whole game
Which is what we gave Rivers, allowed him to take his chances between the 20s but then did not allow him to get it into the endzone.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
D is built to bend and not break
R$ivers can have aall the FGs he wants as long as we keep out the paint
Yessir. An offense like theirs is going to move the ball between the 20's.
It’s just going to happen. Minimize it as best you can and force them to kick FG’s when you can’t get a total stop.
But they’re still going to rack up yards.
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why is it the Chiefs are great for coming from behind against Indy in the second half (a still winless team)
… but the Chargers did the same against us (I know, they didn’t WIN it … they SHOULD have, though, by all rights of logic) and yet nobody (here) is saying anything about how the Chiefs LOST a lead in the second half (just like Indy did to us)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Not sure. I'm not doing that.
We moved the ball really well against IND in the second half, after what I’m assuming were some very wise halftime adjustments.
And I think SD did the exact same thing in that game.
Was that some weird unfounded dig against me specifically, or a broad rhetorical sweeping sort of comment?
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very very broad sweeping rhetorical over-generalization
absolutely NOT directed towards you in particular (other than the Rivers and the Chargers can “rack up yards” well yeah, and they got points off those yards) and they came back and tied it and if not for Rivers comitting MAJOR stupid they really came back to “win” it … sorry if you felt singled out there :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
All good, I was honestly just a little confuzzled
But it’s a generally accepted (and statistically backed up) truth about the Chargers.
They have a great offense for stats. They can, and always do, move the ball well. And they suck in the red zone. But make no mistake, even against the top defenses, they’re still going to get their yards.
Fortunately, Phyllis has been turning the ball over at a (wonderfully) alarming rate this year. So all those yards aren’t resulting in points. Though I admit that in his slump, his yards are lower than what he’d normally put up, too.
But a team that had the (looking at total yards) number one offense in the NFL last season, it’s pretty reasonable to expect them to move the ball on you. Even on a good defense.
And it’s also credit due to the Chiefs offense for moving the ball so well vs IND in the second half – against a team that is designed to play with a lead and attack the pass. We had to play against their defensive strength and still came back. Even if that’s not quite beating GB at Lambeau right now, it’s still noteworthy – especially considering how stale our offense was the first three games.
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Disparity of points
Mistakes on both sides of the ball. Terrible reffing.
Basically, the fact that the two games are alike.
and I don’t know how many people around here were calling us great after the IND game, so I’m not sure who you’re arguing against.
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I dunno how many either but more than a few because it was apparantly such an historic win (ie, most points behind to come back and win the game)
besides, you know how I love to throw out random argumentative debate points seemingly from noplace (when in fact my own addled mind makes a VERY logical connection between the two events)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Haha I do know that...
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D has been clutch in the red zone,
that OPI on Gates was kinda iffy, but then there were plenty of shitty calls on both sides.
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Yeah.
By the letter of the rule, it was OPI. McGraw grabbed his arm after being shoved, and honestly most of the time they just call it DPI just because on an average day.
Really it would’ve been the right call as OPI, DPI or a non-call to be honest. Just depends on that particular officiating crew. I’ve seen worse let go, and I’ve seen less get called.
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These were my thoughts too
I felt like we were getting torched the second half. 18 yd gain, 20ish yd gains. A few of those times Flowers didn’t even turn around and look for the ball. Carr too. Then we stuff their runs? Why run? Throw it dummies! It was like the tale of two halves. True, a lot of those drives were FG’s. What drove me batty was almost getting to Rivers and he gets away and throws a completion! Too many times. I about jumped off the upper level. Now I know why I prefer to sit at field level. Less chance of suicide. We have to find some pressure. I know, Tamba is trying but geez! Get the guy some help.
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by Wichita Chief on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I still don't understand dropping him back so often
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
There was one pass where he was 1 on 1 in coverage, and just blew it. He was actually on his man pretty tightly, but didn’t look back for the ball or even get his arms up once he saw the receivers arms stretch out to catch it. He could have easily knocked the pass down had he realized the situation.
However, I do see him becoming an all around complete LB, and that will be scary with him, Super DJ, and Tamba all out there.
Well to his defense he did try to smack it out of the backs hands
Let alone he almost never did it in college, was a big play but it was good to see him sticking that close to a RB down the sidelines
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed. Dude is is a rook & will make rook mistakes.
once he learns how to cover NFL TEs & receivers properly & the game slows down for him, he will be monstrous.
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
True on the 2nd, but wrong about default
It’s not like other guys didn’t have flashes. He was consistently the best guy out there though (and yes, I know I just used the word consistent to describe Cassel. What’s happening to me?)
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Crennel has his act together
haley is clueless….scary????…..we went over 15 minutes without a first down…we were lucky that SD shot themselves in the foot so many times they blew their entire leg off…..a win is a win, but it was very unimpressive
Not sure it falls on Haley(go ahead and hate on me for saying that haha)
The play calling was ugly but the fact Haley was yelling ‘F—- You’ in the headset and the fact he was not calling plays puts it on Muir/Zorn/’’Fuzzy’’ equipment
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks putting it into words...
What’s happened to us has allowed our depth guys to gel together and know what they can do. If we get our play calling together and get McCluster outside and McClain inside (while resting Battle), then we can keep getting better and do have a shot at post season. Then next year, we are going to be sop deep on talent it will be great — but first, Miami!
...the fair-weather fan seldom comprehends the value of faith or will combined with the requirements necessary of goal accomplishment: attention to a plan's details, personal fortitude developed from a consistent quality work ethic, and strengthening of character and faith, are all sweaty, time-consuming, attributes which "the sky is falling" fair-weather fan interprets as rain on their parade...
by Chiefs Fanalyst on Nov 2, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Don't you have homework?!
Law school must be getting easy these days….
6 1st round draft picks, 2 Super Bowl Champions and counting
by Another Successful Tedford QB on Nov 2, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Nah, I'm only getting about 3 hours of sleep a night. I do homework then...
I sacrifice sleep in order to be able to do this and homework, since this is pretty much my only relaxing outlet other than hanging with the fam.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I’m only kidding…hilarious you sacrifice sleep for Fan Posts
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Addictions are a cruel mistress
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
BAMF nailed it... addictions are rough
Plus, being where I am, I have NO ONE to talk Chiefs with on a day to day basis… So these rants I call posts are a chance for me to get it off my chest.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
You have NO ONE?
Sad sad life...
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well sit down and get on AP
i SMART gud
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Sitting >>>>>> Standing
Always
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Laying down>>>>>>Sitting
Sometimes
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Only when the bed of a truck is not available
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrecked. I've got a lot of parentheses.
Here, I’ll give you some. (((((((((((( ))))))))))))
Hope that’ll tide you over until Thanksgiving.
We’ve had some bad luck… We’ve had some good luck. It’s pretty even now. Let’s see this team take care of business against a couple of doormats. No luck involved.
Ptshh, those won't even last through my next post :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Crap, you beat me to it
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I'm clean, man...
Oh… A coke… my bad.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I will slap you with a libel lawsuit!
BTW, h/t to ya for the sig…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry
I just figured that was why you were only getting 3 hours sleep / night.
Or at least how you were coping with it.
Appreciate the h/t. Just doing my part to spread the litigious legend of the libelous lawyer.
We Don't Hear The Hate
Now that's just astute analysis using amazing alliteration
Changed it a little. Gotta give the example, right?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
shouldn't that be "hyparenthetical"
or are you hyping yourself in your pursuit of parenthetical punditry?
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
it's a mashup of hyper and parenthetical
have to stress the “hyper” part, which is why “hyperenthetical” works a little better, for my tastes at least.
We Don't Hear The Hate
I said that about Matt in the game thread
Several times I seen him do things I been wishing for. Then some guy said that it was the same ol Matt when some one was noticing these exact changes. I may of even cursed the guy a little and for that I apologise. But yea next years Chiefs will definatly be the team to beat in the AFC next year. I am happy to see all of Matts hard work payimg off.
Thanks
And I think you’re right about Cassel in this game, whatever that’s worth to you.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Nice write up and REC
One thing that seems to be lost a bit in the discussions about Cassel is that rib injury. The Chiefs arent exactly a loose lips org and I would bet money the Chiefs didnt want to raise any mor attention to those ribs than needed to be (considering the backup QB situation (look I can use them too)) I think the injuries and the surprising strength of our early opponents explains the terrible start. BTW (extra credit for the paranthesized parentheses!!!)
Well done
And you may be right. Although he was still awfully inconsistent against SD and MIN, since then he’s been much better in the “nice” department.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I'm going to invent new terminology for MN's asides-inside-asides-inside-asides
Hyperenthetical Asiditry
Try it on. See how it fits.
We Don't Hear The Hate
I may have to add that to my sig...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
TRS ... you're EGGING him on and now he's just a SHELL of his former self
get it? see, that’s a YOLK, son …
ha, sometimes I just CRACK myself up
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Heh that's impressive, ups
I somehow managed to groan twice at the same time.
Now that takes talent to elicit that kind of response with punnery.
We Don't Hear The Hate
Oh Lord...
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Excellent post Mnchiefsfan!
You should be a newsman or sports writer, along with being a lawyer, if not instead of. Most of your writing was absolutely correct IMHO. Thanks for your posts, especially with your going for your law degree.
You just like my writing because I'm a homer :)
Thanks man, I appreciate your kind words.
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Not to focus on just 1 part....but
When does bad luck and being injury prone,coincide with each other?Moeaki was hurt every year from the time he was in college to the NFL.That is not a coincidence,if being injury prone was a crime, how would defend (as a lawyer) he and Pioli?A lot of so called luck (good or bad) is reflective on what we do with the opportunities we are presented with.And Pioli ,while he made some good moves ,has also made some very costly one’s as well.We won Monday night because Rivers fumbled a kneel down (can you say miracle at the Meadowla…..I mean Arrowhead).So lets not get ahead of ourselves,we have a lot of work to do for the future success of this team.
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 2, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, we won Monday night because we shut them down
Then marched down the field and scored.
They only ALMOST won because we got screwed on two separate fumble calls, both of which were inexcusable.
See, it works both ways….
As far as Moeaki goes, given that his current injury is of the type that can happen to anyone and is unrelated to previous issues, I don’t see it.
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He missed half his college career with injuries
MN you are a smart guy,how can you not see the correlation? .The knock on Cottom in college was that he was injury prone.He never had a neck injury in college.Yet ,his career is over because of a neck injury.Moeaki is done you heard it here.Also ,SD got hosed on a few calls to,that game had bad calls on both sides
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 2, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
However, to say the SOLE reason we beat SD was that fumble is ridiculous.
Frankly, they were only even close because of miscues on our part. Like I said, that knife cuts both ways.
And correlation does not equal causation. Dozens of guys tear their ACL every single year. Crap, two other guys on our team alone did it.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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I am so glad I found this site
Now I can give my opinions beforhand .
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 2, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No MN needs to stay right where he is, on AP
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
On Bad Luck, Good Luck and make your own Luck
FYI set your Dvr for nfl replay at 7 pm central as the game will be replayed on NFL network.
Green Bay turned bad luck to good luck last year and they are playing even better now with their compliment of players back.
The Chiefs can follow that blue print with strong D and improving play of the Qb. Is Cassel ever going to be Rodgers? No! His limited physical abilities should have him look to emulate Montana. He has finally shown the ability to go through his progressions and he has a full compliment of receivers that will make the tough catch. He may never have Montana accuracy but he has shown some captain comeback ability on Monday and against Indy. We don’t need to start carving his bust for Canton yet but he is to Montana as Rivers is to Ryan Leaf lately. Which team crumbled the emotional Leaf? KC. Rivers is a high draft pick, emotionally fragile, trash talking, some would call jerk. I just watched the pre game interview with John Gruden and Matt Cassel. I’m telling you I couldn’t be more proud to have him as our QB. He is a low key smart humble guy just like Montana. He is a gamer. Scrambling for first downs. Playing his best ball when it’s crunch time. I believe this game is a spring board for Cassels future just as I believe this game will haunt Rivers. It will be interesting to watch going forward but my current read is Chiefs win the division. Good luck indeed.
Great post MNFChiefsfan ;-)
by paulredfish on Nov 2, 2011 2:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks
And yes, it would be cool if we could follow GB’s example…
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I love the fact
that we are throwing the ball at least 30 times a game and most of the targets are to WRs. The defense has to respect the Killer Bs which should make passes out in the flat to Dex and McClain that much harder to defend….now if we could only get our OL in order….our offense will be the type that can beat you as a passing or a running team.
I don't get all the hate for the O-line
Aside from B-Rich, everyone was blocking pretty well Monday, and has been for much of the season…
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It's just my opinion.
I think our line is too small and gets overpowered against better teams, which are the teams we will need to beat. I’m still not confident in our ability to get yards running when we need to as in 3rd and shorts as well as trying to run out the clock. I think Albert is an average LT and should be playing LG…I have for the past 2 years. i think Lilija should be gone next year. I’m not calling for an entire change. I like Hudson as our C of the future and Asamoah. I do think we should sign a RT in FA for next season. Think how different our OL would be if Gaither (granted not sure about health) was our LT and Albert was our LG. We get bigger without really losing any of our agility. We could run to left, up the middle, or to the right. Again, just my opinion, but I think our OL will hold us back more so then Cassel.
Ugh, reply fail. See below.
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I am a math nerd
Good Post, but now I have to work on my own post + numbers = QB’s How many number 1 QB’s fail vs sports bar edition.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 2, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think our line is too small and gets overpowered
We handled the Raiders just fine. And they were a team that gave us absolute fits up front last year.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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Not really hating the o line but look at the grades
I think B Rich got a -9.9 this last game. Weigand and Zlilja get manhandled at times. Awesome wah and our lg playing lt are fine. Ha
by paulredfish on Nov 2, 2011 8:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Our offense didn't really do much
or have to much against the Raiders. A lot of questions will be answered vs. GB, NE, NYJ, PIT, and Chi.
True
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