The Formula To Replacing Jamaal Charles
After Week 2, we were asking ourselves: How do the Kansas City Chiefs replace Jamaal Charles?
Apparently, the answer is Jackie Battle + Dexter McCluster + Thomas Jones. Via ESPN Stats and Info:
Through 10 weeks last year, Charles alone had gained over 1,000 yards of total offense (1,078). This season, replacements Jackie Battle,Dexter McCluster and Thomas Jones have combined for only four more yards than Charles alone amassed in the first 10 weeks of 2010.
Only if it were that easy...
Check out this ESPN Stats page for a bunch of nuggets about the Chiefs including the fact that Eric Berry is awesome and that Tamba Hali isn't as awesome this year as he was last year.
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Yep
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Hali needs some reinforcements
I cringe every time I see him getting double teamed and choked out
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
Yup
I see way too much of opposing teams cheating a RB to Hali’s side to help out. Chiefs pass-rush defeated. The end. That’s all we’ve got.
by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 17, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I was excited during the offseason, because of all the 'tweener talent they added - and some with good speed.
But it hasn’t translated into matching pressure from the other side.
I’m leaning back towards a speculation I had in the offseason – that Hali was going to be better than any of the other clowns at bring pressure from the LOLB spot, and that Houston might be best from the ROLB spot. I thought it might hurt Hali’s numbers, but it might end up being the best mix for the team.
Crennel sends 4 an AWFUL lot of the time, but mixing the 4th man from being one side or the other of the line hasn’t been very effective, to my eye.
While I don’t like seeing Dorsey getting hurt, same as Cassel, I do halfway hope to see them getting something more active out of the 3 tackles in the pass rush. There’s a chance they’ll send more help, and that’ll end up working better than Dorsey without any help.
I do know I’m sick and tired of seeing them drop 7 or 8 in coverage, without setting it up with some blitzes ahead of time.
would of ≠ would've
Yup, Proff.
But I was kinda disappointed who they drafted, and where at, for LOLB and D-Line candidates. I felt I knew at the time drafting Houston for an LOLB was going to be a mistake because he’s a misfit for Romeo’s scheme. His best attribute was pure pass-rushing. From watching his vids, yeah, he could stuff the run purty well, and cover a little already too. But he was a simple pass-rusher that relied on speed, size and power the mostest. He didn’t have any pass-rushing skills to shed blockers to speak of. And lo and behold, he still just tries the power move inside to get inside of/avoid the blocker, or running around the blocker with the outside rush, just like he did in college.
Furthermore, Proff, you know Romeo’s schemes and philosophies better than I do, I’m sure. His belief is that the LOLB stuffs the run first and foremost, covers receivers at least as well secondly, and only occasionally gets the green light to rush the passer is his MO. Imo, Houston, and even Sheff, are pretty much pure pass-rushers that can probably learn run contain to an average or mediocre extent (for my purposes, I classify mediocre as about one degree below average). Houston will probably be solid (I classify solid as one degree above average) to good at run contain, and mediocre to average at coverage. And Sheff at average to solid in run contain, and sub-par to mediocre in coverage.
But, by god … they’re both going to learn how to cover RB’s and TE’s first and foremost, as opposed to pass rushing. And by god, they WILL be covering MOST of the time on passing downs. Romeo wants VRABEL clones at LOLB. I think Sheff will good depth for either Tamba or Houston at best. And I about hit the roof when they drafted Gabe Miller! WTF!?!?! How many OLB’er candidates do we need to waste draft picks on in consecutive drafts now!?!? And I’ve become even further dismayed (and even angrier) when I read the reason why they drafted Miller. (smh)
As for Bailey. From what I watched of him, yeah he was purty fast and strong at blasting past the LOS and blowing up the BC, or occasionally sacking the QB. But, as long as nobody so dared to lay a finger block on him, or made a step in his way. He can’t shed blocks. At 6’3 and 288, he ain’t big and strong enough to be a pure 2-gapping, 3-4 DE. Crennel is the only DC left that still insists on running a pure 2-Gap, 3-4 D. And apparently he will run it as long as somebody will give him a DC job. No adapting and learning new tricks for this ol’ dog. At 6’3, 288, and with his talents/tools, he’s a good “project” candidate for a 1-gap, 3-4 D … like the Packers, Cowboys, Houston, ect. Or as a penetrating DT in nickel/dime sub-packages. Wrong guy for the wrong scheme if Romeo wants him to be anything more than his penetrator in his nickel/dime set, imo.
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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 17, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think there's enough crossover between his idea of a 3-4 and his idea of the nickel.
Seems like they’re two different defenses, and paper-thin on either one.
Anyway, you and I pretty much see the scrap the same. I’m a LITTLE slower to just say RAC is WRONG, but I know what I like and I don’t like how he’s been playing his front 5. It surprises me, because there were some stretches there, in New England, where it was all about a disrespectful front 5. Clog everything up between the hashes and let your smart, veteran ILBs freelance (and play so fast MENTALLY, everybody thinks Seau and Bruschi are as frisky as rookies).
I LIKED that Houston looked like a real-deal rush OLB, and I wanted to see that all day long, with the zone drop a changeup that can work very well after your rush OLB identity put the fear of God into the opposing QB and BC. Houston should be defending the TE by forcing the TE to help the RT. He should be PHYSICAL with the TE at the line, and line up wide enough to force the TE to give help. Go all-out for the outside move from WIDE. Seems like the only times Houston’s really attacking up the field is as a 4-3 DE in the dime front. Just when you want to unleash the guy, you’re putting him head-up in a 3-point stance against a much bigger RT.
I just don’t get it. But I get you, Loco.
Agree on Bailey, so far. When he’s trying to be 2-gapper in THIS league, he seems to spend a lot of time on his knees at the feet of a much bigger offensive guard. He might be a fun Darren Mickell kind of DE, who can just get push and slam the door in front of the blitzer from the opposite edge (slamming the door for Neil Smith for a few seasons, IIRC). Or see if he can do a Neil Smith imitation and get a vertical push against the right end of the O-Line.
would of ≠ would've
Yea, I'm about sick of watching 3-4 defenses
like the Packers (especially Monday night), Ravens, Steelers, etc. who just get crazy amounts of pressure on the QB. I’m really starting to dislike Romeos defense and wonder if he’s part of the problem and not so much personnel. We just don’t blitz like the other 3-4 defenses do and I think we should be.
The Packers we're bringing anyone willing the other night
from every direction. I want our defense to do that because the QB can’t throw when he’s laying on his back.
Those defenses, especially the Steelers variation, are built to bring at least one guy free.
What’s BEAUTIFUL about it is they get a free guy coming when they send 3 or 4, because they use the blitz to get the o-line to block at shadows. When they do send only 3, the 3 fatties attack in different way than they were on the other downs, when their job was just to get push and keep that inside seal, and give the QB nowhere to go in the middle. They also set up that 3-man rush to complement their coverage, because the persistent blitzing forces the quarterback to throw the ball early, and the WRs to run routes designed to make the quick catch, and the secondary clamps on the quick stuff, and then has 8 guys in coverage if the QB extends the play against the 3-man rush.
Anyhoo, that’s sort of how I see it, although I’m still no great fan of Jackson-Gregg-Dorsey being the 3 men in the 3-man rush. And I generally agree with you that you have to send the extra hats to establish a pressure mentality. The “conservatism” of keeping extra defenders back is false conservatism. I think defensive coordinators like RAC would rather die a death of a thousand cuts than be aggressive and trade lots of 3-and-outs and big plays (for or against offense). I’d rather the defense just thought of themselves as the attackers and the offense as the defenders.
I didn’t like what Crennel did very much against the Broncos. Early in the game, they should NOT have been able to grind out those long drives. Chiefs were NOT crashing the line. They should’ve put the BUM’S RUSH on Tebow. They didn’t.
would of ≠ would've
Heh, heh.
Man … Romeo has no concept of how to design a 3-4 as complicated, creative and diverse as Dick Lambeau’s Fire Zone Blitz. And no idea how to continually make adjustments/play calls from series to series (or maybe even from snap to snap) as Lambeau does. And, apparently, no clue as to how to make adjustments for even the 2nd half. Its the same basic scheme and play calls all game long from beginning to end against everybody.
The only thing he did differently last season from this season was blitzing Berry and Arenas quite a bit. He won’t even blitz Arenas now, nor any S’ty for that matter. Romeo’s a dinosaur for today’s NFL 3-4 D play. He won’t learn nor make the adjustments necessary to shut down these passing driven offenses, and ZBS hybrid O-lines that let RB’s attack the flanks more and more.
Everybody else is running a hybrid 3-4, or a 1-gap penetrating 3-4, to shut down these QB’s, ZBS OL’s, and flanking stretch plays by attacking – as you point out. This bend but don’t break crap is a thing of the past for all … except for Romeo. (sigh)
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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 17, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
I like the philosphy of the 2-gap, but I believe it's predicated by blitzing from a lot of different angles,
and generally playing more hats closer to the line. More contact at the line. Try to get the most out of being a more PHYSICAL team, and USE your physicality to short circuit any kind of foot-race in space these shrimps try to do against you. Go big, and PLAY big.
would of ≠ would've
Furthermore, Romeo doesn't know what a run blitz even is!
Run blitzing, if its executed well to beautifully, can not only blow up the BC in the backfield, it also can nail the QB in the 3-step-drop, or before he can get to his 5-step, as well. That’s what Romeo should’ve been doing! Or the bum rush as you say … whatever!
Denver using the 3-man option (with both their starting RB’s going down in the first half at that!!!) rushing for 264 yards (or whatever it was … 246?) on 55 rushes, while only throwing it 6 times, and completing one of those for a 56 yard TD, is absolutely HUMILIATING!!! EMBARRASSING!!! DISGUSTING! And Crennel is absolutely INCOMPETENT!!! for letting it happen! He made absolutely no adjustments of any kind during the entire game. I’m done with Crennel after these last two humiliating defeats. And I’m done with Haley, Muir and the rest of the lot. What’s transpired this season is ridiculous, and wreaks of incompetence from all involved. This isn’t their first season anymore, for God’s sakes!
I know I don’t know nuthin. But I think I can see a team that’s not prepared to play physically and mentally; inspired and pumped to play emotionally; has no offensive game plan; a defense with no game plan, and that’s not allowed to play with any kind of aggression; and one that has no team identity … when it slaps me in the face. And don’t even get me started on Pioli’s drafting, most of his scrub FA signings that are Pats’ cast-offs, and the way he has built this team in general, for the last 2-plus seasons now. Its disgusting.
That’s just my know nothing, and not so humble opinion and feelings now.
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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 17, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Crennel's inability to adapt a gameplan in-game has really bothered me as well.
As far as the blitzing goes, I wonder if maybe he’s afraid our terrible safeties will give up big plays if we don’t drop enough men into coverage. It’s hard to see how the results could be much worse, but I can at least see the reasoning.
by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 17, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
somewhat true
he DID find a way to slow down Denver’s run game in the 2nd half.
but, I do think he’s afraid to blitz given the issues KC has in coverage right now
Did we blitz significantly more last year though?
I feel like we didn’t. I really think it’s just his philosophy. Bend but don’t break. Either way, I don’t like being dead last in sacks AGAIN. When did we set the record, ’08, ’09??
yes
they did blitz more
but, it’s not just the blitz… it’s sending the SOLB, instead of dropping him in coverage.
Houston has been in coverage more than rushing, leaving the front 3 and Hali to rush… allowing the OL to shut it down pretty easy.
But why?
Clearly the front 3 have essentially NO chance of getting there. They need help in a serious way. I just want to see guys coming from every angle, every position, way more often than we do. Doing so creates so much more confusion for the QB to figure out where it’s coming from. We have two pretty damn good corners and a decent FS. I think they can hold their own long enough if we decided to send more guys. Sure, we’ll get beat some, like GB did Monday, but I think more times than not, it would work in our favor.
We need to blitz at different angles
We are so predictable, Everybody knows that were sending Hali almost everytime, They have came up with a game plan to shut him down.
If were going to rush 4, mix it up, rush Houston, or DJ. That means Hali has to be able to cover somebody.
No. It just means he needs to maybe smack the RB at the line, or get a decent zone drop.
And Hali has a good sense of space, and can occupy a pretty wide area. But all too often, “LB in coverage” seems to mean running stride for stride with the faster man for 40 yards.
Houston has more speed than Hali, so he can actually keep up, but he’s STILL at a clear disadvantage against a much smaller, lighter skill player in space.
To respond to this whole sub-thread:
I think you can do more to protect your secondary by getting more pressure against the QB sooner. The more worried I am about my safeties in space, the more I have my guys mauling people at the line. Maybe devote 2 hats to the guy they line up off the line, but everybody ON the line has one of MY guys trying to pick a fight with him at the snap.
I don’t like 2 hats 20 yards down the field. If your up-backs need help, the sooner they get it, the more frustrating things will be for the offense. I rail on here a lot about wanting to see nothing but inside leverage, but if the “deep help” is CLOSE behind, to the inside, then I’m OK with it. But this business of letting receivers cross in front of my guys towards the middle of the field is getting VERY old, considering there’s nobody inside to help, in time.
I think there’s a DEFINITE disconnect with how Romeo deploys the coverage when the blitz is on. It’s a maddening (Cunningham-like) mixture of too much courage and too much cowardice at the same time, resulting in foolishness. Blitz hard AND leave the short middle SOFT!? That’s right where the hot route is. If the QB can stay alive and make an accurate throw against the blitz and HARD JAM, then they deserve to score. But when you blitz hard and play soft behind that, you’re just hoping for a blunder, because you’re giving the QB just what he wants.
would of ≠ would've
If you don't like your guys in space, then turn it into a brawl, dammit!
Trying to play with finesse with slow guys just comes out looking slow.
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No! The front three are perfect!
We have the best front three in a 3-4 for pass rush of any team. They don’t pressure the quarterback, just like they’re not supposed to, and they don’t collapse the pocket either, which is also what we want them to do.
Que?
We’ve been one of the best halftime adjustment defenses in the league. This is a confusing comment to me.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Nov 17, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well we certainly didn't adjust very well against Buffalo, Detroit or Miami.
With the exception of the Manningless Colts game, once we’ve started getting beat, it’s turned into a full-blown ass-whooping pretty quickly.
by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 17, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Another thing that Gunther was very good at.
In MY opinion, great halftime adjustments just tell me that you got yourself in trouble in the 1st half, because you were failing to adjust on the fly. It tells me YOU need 12 minutes uninterrupted to dial up something different on D.
Same for Offense. The best coaching staffs are out-adjusting the opposition on a play-by-play basis AND with TWELVE WHOLE MINUTES to get DEVIOUS with, they come out roaring to start the 3rd quarter TOO.
It might just be trying to work new people into the system. KC is still definitely a team-in-transition to some (hopefully good) identity. It DOES take time for a lot of players to get to the point where you make tweaks and add wrinkles very quickly. But you have to have the basic scheme and basic themes down to a ‘T’ and have a general understanding of what your teammates are giving you to work with.
KC’s nickel and dime packages were widely different. Almost an entirely new crew. The 3-down players had to basically learn two different defenses, at least to MY eye. While they’ve been featuring more and more of the starting 3 DL in the last couple weeks, this doesn’t seem to have given much added consistency/coherence. I do think sticking to the starting 3 DLs is long-term what I’d like to see. Let the nickel mean you swapped out a LB for a DB.
Steve Mariucci just showed some clips from the Denver game, showing how Tebow worked his magic against the KC front 5. Nice clips, but the gorilla in the room, to ME, was all the defensive backs so far down the field, they were out of the play. They’d’ve had more hats in tight just by doubling outside at the line. Worried about the RB getting out in the pattern? Heck, with 7 guys crashing the line, the nearest guy should just DECK HIM, with or without the ball.
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Yeah I don’t get this either. Denver was a great example of making adjustments.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I'm not arguing that we don't make adjustements
but you should find a better example than the Denver game. I mean, how hard was it to adjust to a team running the ball every play of the game? Maybe Indy would be better…
Agreed we are decent at making defensive adjustments in-game
I would point more to lack of a complete package DLineman on the line, one that can hold down the fort in base 3-4 and rush when needed.
It's the number of SERIES it took the Chiefs to adjust.
They should’ve forced Denver into something else after their 1st first down. Heck, after their first lame-looking running play for more than 2 friggini’ yards. Should’ve forced Tebow to throw and even THEN kept bringing it. There’s absolutely no evidence that he’d be able to throw darts consistently under NFL-caliber pressure. But RAC doesn’t BRING NFL-caliber pressure.
would of ≠ would've
All this being said, RAC's D DID hold Denver under 20, and any time your D does that,
it’s the offense that’s the weak link, if they can’t score OVER 20.
That’s why I’m ultimately more interested in seeing significant change on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball. The offense SHOULD have been significantly improved, with the WRs they added, and they haven’t been. RAC did get a true NT, whom the Ravens could and would have retained if they didn’t think they already had better. Still, a step up. Otherwise, nothing but backwards steps, with the biggest potential boost from young, raw OLBs, whose impact has NOT really been felt (although Houston seems better all-around than Studie).
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What are these big adjustments that Romeo makes for the 2nd half?
Can you tell me that, Proff? What? Leaving his base 3 in for all three downs more, instead of going to the nickel/dime of Gilberry and Bailey? Bringing in Houston in place of Stud? Letting Houston rush an extra couple of times? Going from Cover-3 to Cover-2, or vice versa? Flipping Tamba over to the SS for a couple of snaps?
Yeah, and still calling the exact same plays and running the exact same scheme he did in the 1st half with his Base-3, and with Houston pass-covering almost every down instead of Stud. And still giving 10-15 yard cushions in man-off coverages … and it doesn’t matter whether its Cover-2 or Cover-3, its still basically the same crappy read-zone,soft. Whoopy! Really big adjustments. And he can’t think to do any of this until the half?
Again, what is the big adjustments he makes at the half? Really confused the hell out of those Broncos, Dolphins, Chargers, Lions, Bills, Raiders and Bills! The only team that acted like they were confused offensively in the 2nd half was the mighty Colts and Curtis Painter. Every other team just shot themselves in the foot the whole game, or failed to execute critical plays here and there. The only other team it looked like we caught by surprise were the Chargers when Romeo FINALLY came out playing press-man and cover-man for a few series in the first half. And having McGraw and Daniels mugging Gates off the line a few snaps. That’s about all I could see, or at least wrap my dumb mind around.
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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Two different philosophies
It may still be a 3-4, but the one RAC runs is the Parcells style, read and react scheme. The Giants in the 80’s and early 90’s just benefitted from having Lawrence Taylor to put on the pass rush. But for the most part, that defense wasn’t designed to attack the quarterback like the Steelers and Packers do.
Remember when the Pats were winning Super Bowls with their awesome defense? They weren’t the crazy blitzing type. And remember when Parcells left Dallas and Wade Phillips came in. He installed the pressure scheme and the defense looked rejuvinated.
The more I think about it, the more I think this entire philosophy is becoming outdated.
by old_school on Nov 17, 2011 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with those styles. They were rational responses to the talent in the trenches.
But if you’re going to run that defense, you have to chase after your Lawrence Taylor’s. Recent incarnations of those kinds of players include Clay Matthews in Green Bay and Ryan Kerrigan in Washington. Neither one is QUITE what LT was (and who is?), but those earlier picks on a potentially dominant ‘tweener is definitely where it’s at.
Tampa-2, Parcells D – they’re predicated on dominant play in the trenches, or at least one serious MUTANT in the front 5, and preferably 2 or 3 or even more. Chiefs have definitely invested the top picks on the DL, but they’re not getting dominant performances from their front 5. That’s the ONLY thing that’d tempt me to go LB in the 1st round, if a Matthews or Kerrigan came along. I’d go overboard looking for those athletes, and choose my ILBs for NFL-readiness in the mental department.
Anyway, I love what you said, old_school. I think when you’re thinking team-build, it’s not SMART to try to go 2-deep on MUTANTS. Get solid 2-gappers to man the middle, and keep throwing picks at ’tweeners.
I’m pretty much OK with what the front 3 has been giving the defense, but there’s been far too little Houston at the line. Seems like they’re still just trying to make sure they don’t beat themselves, and they really haven’t become a team that trusts themselves enough to BRING IT TO THE OFFENSE. And when they DO bring it, there’s no (apparent) coherence between what’s going on up front and what’s going on behind.
would of ≠ would've
Yeah, I remember the Pats' first SB winning defense.
I HATED watching that defense. Most boringest thing ever. No big plays, not even many interesting plays, the other team just didn’t get enough yards for first downs…. Was the only time in my football watching history that I truly hoped a team would get beat solely because they were boring to watch.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
losing Berry really hurts
He covers so much field you can be more creative with the schemes.
Just a lost season really
Had such high hopes . Dam injuries…
by chiefsman! on Nov 17, 2011 1:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Rack those 4 yards up to Thomas Jones
combined for only four more yards than Charles alone amassed in the first 10 weeks of 2010.
Thomas Jones...why do they even put him in when Battle is running OK at the least?!!
should be Battle, McClain, McCluster..Jones in garbage time!
Maybe Battle, like many (KC) running backs, needs a blow or becomes injury/turnover prone when you just feed him the ball.
That’s the thing about Jones that people discount: He never gets hurt and he never puts the ball on the ground. Jones is my bellwether for the offense. He’s good ENOUGH to be all-day consistent, if the O-Line blocks it up, and there’s a balancing contribution from the passing game.
To ME, Thomas Jones is VERY comparable to Emmitt Smith, except Smith was just a LITTLE more surehanded catching passes, but even in THAT category, Emmitt played for the best O-Line and the best passer, and enjoyed the most time and space for those catches, of any runningback in the league, for most of a decade. And Thomas Jones is just fine when it’s pitch-and-catch.
I always push against fans who disparage a runningback, because he’s gettin’ wrapped-up in the backfield by d-linemen, and doesn’t perform miracles. I love the backs that can create miracles, but I’d rather be 2-deep at the positions who BLOCK for my running backs. I look at the Jets and while I can see forkin’ over for LaDainian gave them a more elite pass-catcher and general runner than Jones, KC made more progress by picking up Lilja, Wiegmann, and Asamoah. While it seems pretty clear that they’re still at least one O-Lineman away from being a dominant unit, I’m GLAD they’ve been building top-rated interior linemen, and I’m ready for a top-rated tackle to go with (or even another interior lineman).
My secret dream for the interior O-Line has been and continues to be Ryan Lilja at C, sided by two big, young and athletic guards. I would LOVE to see something happen at OT, and have one of this year’s best fighting for his life to make it ANYwhere into the starting front 5. It’d be sweet to install Albert at LG, like everybody’s been talking for years – not so much because he sucks at tackle, but because it’d be great to have that kind of size and athleticism at the LG spot, and our LB would be ready to step in ANYwhere. A line with Albert at LG means OT is already damn good, and their depth options would be insanely good. I’d be OK with trying Richardson at G, for that matter. I’m always open to moving the almost-RT inside, rather than make it an OT-or-nothing proposition.
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If Thomas Jones is so good, and it's just bad blocking that gives him a poor average...
then why is Jackie Battle, a career third-stringer and universally agreed to be no more than an average running back at best, gaining almost two yards per carry more than Thomas Jones behind the same line?
No question, Battle does a much better job after contact. He has a real knack for STEALING those last two yards.
And I, for one, have been wanting KC to just stick with Battle and McClain in the backfield for long stretches. So don’t get me TOTALLY wrong. :o) But I think Jones’s average gives us a true measure of just how well things are generally being blocked-up. So, while I defend Thomas Jones on general principles, I also agree that this offense looks to be a little more productive with Battle.
But not having seen them just stick with Battle all the way, I don’t know exactly why they’re not doing it. Could be Battle is more consistent when given a couple downs to catch a blow. Could just as easily be that seams open just a bit wider because the opposition is expecting pass, more, because Jones just got wrapped up at the line by a horde of penetrating defenders on the play before.
I remember all these same things being said about Jamaal versus Thomas, and seeing Jamaal have a TERRIBLE game against the Ravens when KC DID feed him the ball in the 1st half of that playoff game. I got JUST what I wanted and it wasn’t very pretty. Made me feel like those trash plays to Jones were maybe a multitude of disasters that did NOT happen. It’s really tough for me to tell, even though it’s easy for all of us to point to a hole that Jamaal accelerates through and Jones can’t quite get to. I remember Emmitt looking TERRIBLE in Arizona, because their windows were so narrow and so short-lived in front of him. He got the boot for a younger, flashier guy, but he’d’ve been good enough to be a very durable, reliable back for them, if they had had a better team.
I’m really liking Battle’s burst to the hole and his “for good or ill, this is as close to a hole as I’m gonna get” decisiveness. I heard Haley telling him to do MORE of that “One cut and GO” stuff. But one of my favorite things in Battle’s game (although it’s an injury risk to the player) is he’ll spin off the initial hit and, facing backwards, he’ll drive his legs on the way to the turf, and pick up two or three yards at the end of every run, just by falling a really long distance forward. Reminds me of Terrell Davis, when the Broncos were well-defended and he’d turn nothing into two yards, like Emmitt used to do when the Cowboys were perfectly defended (with the obvious edge to the O-Line).
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Feed McClain the rock.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
How about this formula
Cut Thomas Jones,draft Lamichal James in the 3rd round
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 1:29 PM CST reply actions
I'd even take our practice squad rb
Over jones. Not even sure his name .
by chiefsman! on Nov 17, 2011 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Noel Devine?
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
No I mean I would like to see them sign Devine to the PS
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I like Noel
I would absolutely take him, specially over old man jones
by chiefsman! on Nov 17, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dont know where he is now
He just won a title with the VA Destroyers of the UFL.I haven’t heard anything else about him
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
dang its a shame
didn’t the chiefs look at him when they looked at draughn tho? And why not give that kid a chance. He’s a bigger back like jones isn’t he ? Just faster and younger.
No
And yes Draughn is a big physical back.I don’t know why no one is looking at Devine .He has a lot of talent
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
i believe someone had him on their practice squad and got cut
could be wrong tho
Ya the Eagles before he went to the UFL
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think David Wilson
Would be better to draft if he’s there in the 3rd round. We already have a small guy in McCluster, David Wilson is in a Jamaal Charles type of mold which I think would be better.
I like a Bobby Rainey or a Bernard Pierce in the 6th
But I love me some Lamichal James though
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Brandon Bolden in the 5th
An all-purpose back strong enough to churn out the tough yardage inside, as well as beat defenders to the edge, Bolden is one of the top senior backs in the country and a potential Top 100 prospect for the 2012 NFL draft.
Heh. RB? What's fresh outta the kitchen in the 5th or UDFA?
Can we just stick to DL, OL, and DB in the 1st 3 rounds, until those units are outstanding? Baldwin was OK in the 1st, this year.
If a 1st-round-quality OLB slipped to the 2nd, I’d be tempted. If a great QB prospect fell, I’d be a little bit tempted. But I’d still aim for a team that has a fairly wide QB envelope, rather than look for a QB who can thread the needle, to mix my metaphors.
But I’d be very disappointed if Pioli took his eye off the ball and didn’t just get busy at DL, OL, and DB..
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Wilson
Ran a 4.29 forty!!
How long should you try? Until.
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by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2011 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fuck yes
Want him even more than I wanted Blount
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
or jeff demps in the 5th...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Too small
Looking for a bigger guy but still has the speed to break one, Wilson’s measurements are around Jamaal’s.
Sort of like LaMar Miller is a bigger version of LaMichael James. That’s why he’ll go in the first or second round and LaMichael will fall to the 3rd or 4th.
Using sacks alone to measure what Hali does is a bit ridiculous.
I expect more from someone who’s titled “stats & information”.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Espn is lazy
Unless it involes tebow , Arron Rodgers , or anything patriots .
by chiefsman! on Nov 17, 2011 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really
He is talking “stats” because he is the stats and info guy…what do you expect?
Hali is paid to rush and sack the QB….so yeah you can measure him by sacks.
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by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2011 1:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
True
But that is the sexy stat for a defender.
Sacks and Int’s
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by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If, on the other hand, the sacks are gaudy, the player sure expects a payday, doesn't he?
So using sacks when the sacks aren’t there is also legit.
Still, you can still see that there isn’t the complementary pressure from the other side. The biggest factor may be that the O-Lines KC’s faced this year weren’t generally as pathetic as those they face last season from the NFC Worst. Cassel had JUST enough time against Seattle to get the pass off against the backside pressure. The D-Line more than held its own against Seattle and St. Louis. And San Francisco’s talented, but raw O-Line got schooled by the KC fronts.
To a great extent, I think Hali’s numbers are as much a product of the opposing O-Lines and the mobility of opposing QBs. I don’t, nor have I ever, thought he was end-all and be-all. But definitely a legit part of a championship-caliber defense. He can notch those sacks against the BEST QBs in the league, with just one or two other guys who can slam the door from the other side. I think Justin Houston can become that guy, and I can only scratch my head that they aren’t featuring the 5-man rush a LOT more. Forget about Houston covering 30 yards down the field, running full speed with his back to the QB. Let whoever draws the RB chip block just make a point of running the RB over. Little hindrance to the QB and little threat from his back.
It’s more important, if your goal is to protect the secondary, that you cut down the time the pattern has to expand on you. Every second the QB has the ball, your guys are getting stretched thinner and thinner – the ONE thing you don’t have the TALENT to overcome.
would of ≠ would've
Only a short-sighted, box score jockey uses sacks only to measure a pass rusher.
If he’s a stats and infor guy, he should be able to come up with a little bit more then the average joe who looks at a box score can.
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by GenericBrand on Nov 17, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
He is not a scout or video coordinator
He is paid to look at stats and give some telling info on them….on stats.
He is not paid to watch Chiefs games so he can give an accurate description as to what exactly Hali is doing on each play.
How long should you try? Until.
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by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2011 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pressures, hits, QB disruptions, penalties drawn, etc are all stats.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Nov 17, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well
They are, but not to mainstream fans who probably read his stuff.
All the extra stats are for us crazy fans who dig and dig for any and all info on our team.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2011 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Should have brought Sproles home
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 17, 2011 1:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
He woulda been a huge pick up IMO
Dudes quick and is on the feild all day
by chiefsman! on Nov 17, 2011 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sproles has always been underrated as an every-down threat. Overshadowed by bigger names, at times.
Early on, maybe it was easier to use him sparingly, and avoid having to live through his growing pains. An almost-perfect blend of talent and toughness. Always one of my favorite players (and a guy I hated KC to have to face). I’m glad to see him finally getting due props, but with all that money under the cap, I’d definitely have taken a run at him (and Asomugha).
I think maybe Pioli made a run at a LOT of top FA, but maybe was out-bid at every turn. It’d be a shame.
would of ≠ would've
Haha true
Hes almost half as good as sproles
by chiefsman! on Nov 17, 2011 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
That would involve Pioli doing something that made sense.
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by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2011 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You mean the wheel
was already invented?!
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 17, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think so
By a man named Thomas jones . Sum million years ago
by chiefsman! on Nov 17, 2011 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You'd think that maybe money lovin Hunt would have chimmed in on it....
Think of the jersey sales Sproles would generate. Oh well, glad he’s ballin in Nawlins
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I'm sure
Pioli and Hunt were doing the backstroke in the Hunt’s money vault while Sproles was to be had.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2011 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You got that right
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 17, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
It's merely unlucky that Sproles isn't a Chief.
If word doesn’t get out that we were interested, San Diego probably lets him walk and then we have Sproles and a 2nd round pick that’s useful.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Nov 17, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
I hate AJent Smith.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No shit
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 17, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
The wouldn't have used him right anyway.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
sometimes basic defense is a good thing...
Piolli is using this year to see if we have the right personnel. Think about it, Charles and moeaki is done for the season so they get to see how cassel plays without a running game and see if cassell can actually go through all of his reads instead of dumping it to his TE. Berry is done so it let’s them see how our base defense plays without blitzing and play basic defense and fundamental. I think that’s just how its going to be this season. Look we all know a playoff is out of the picture so might as well see who doesn’t have what it takes and draft someone or sign someone next year who can.
I have a feeling next year will spend the $. This year is all about who we have and if they should still be here. Bowe contract year, dorsey is coming up.
They probably signed Kelly Greg to help them evaluate dorsey. Don’t get me wrong, I like dorsey, I even have his jersey, bought it soon after we drafted him but with his size I don’t think 3-4 is best suited for him.
This schedule is also a good way to help evaluate these guys. So these next games let’s just evaluate and see who has it and who doesn’t.
That’s the plan the whole time…
by KC58CHIEFS on Nov 17, 2011 2:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
evaluation: see: japanese groundskeepers in Major League
“they’re shitty” and “they’re still shitty”
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by reedeasy on Nov 17, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
But have to mostly agree with KC58CHIEFS
if only for this we SHOULD know how to approach the draft and free agency next year. QB, RB backup, TE backup, etc etc
I agree kind of & it's also kind of a cop-out
in the NFL your job is to win NOW every season, not evaluate what players to keep & which ones to toss next season.
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We can only blitz 4 men
Because pretty much every DB besides Kendrick Lewis is a liability. Think about it. Last year we had Eric Berry, Brandon Flowers wasn’t a cocky inconsistent excuse of a CB, and Brandon Carr was becoming a shutdown CB. We were able to have DBs come in and blitz even. Now our “tandem” of CBs is garbage at best and we no longer have Eric Berry, thus forcing a lack of creativity in the blitzing department.
by JC25FoMVP on Nov 17, 2011 4:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
IMO, "Blitz 4 men" is an oxymoron.
But you’re well within common yardsticks, and you make a good point. I just spin it the other way: The less you trust your DBs, the less time you should be making your coverage hold up. Pulling a guy back into coverage because you don’t trust your corners has always seemed counterintuitive to me.
Sure, you TRY to protect them and give them help, but first and most important help is the pass rush. Take care of THAT, FIRST. Then, if you’re gettin’ it done with 3 or 4 guys, you can choose to give your secondary some extra help in the pattern.
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