Todd Haley Says Matt Cassel Had Surgery, 'Everything Went Great'
by Joel Thorman on Nov 16, 2011 11:00 AM CST
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Get better, Matt...
you’re a great guy
by Jay Cotton on Nov 16, 2011 11:04 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Come December HIV and his ilk will be BEGGING for Cassel to be back.
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Amen Crashman!
Let the Cassel bashers stew a while. And why in hell would we want a Pro Bowler who through over 25 TD passes and 7 INTs to QB our team? Oh yea, he has no arm and is slow on his progressions. Right! Sorry haters…this is still Cassel’s team!
You fukn kidding me?
Really… You guys need to open your eyes.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Nov 16, 2011 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I do, so that I see the WHOLE TEAM’S performance; and all 53 are LACKING this year, especially our pass blockers.
Maybe you should be the less myopic one?
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Oh that's true too... The whole team has been quite lacking in those losses.
I want my QB to improve the play of the guys around him. My QB does not do that. My vision is not defective. My vision does not meet the expectations of what I want to see out my QB.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Nov 17, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
It's NOT the QB's job to IMPROVE the guys around him, that is what they are PAID for.
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Sure it is... He's the got to be the closest thing he can be to a coach on the field.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Yes
Get your hand back quick and get back to where you belong… Starting for the kansas city chiefs!
by MasterChief on Nov 16, 2011 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
IR is Looming
Give it two weeks. Once we find out we have absolutely no shot at the playoffs Cassel will be placed on IR to open a roster spot.
Bummer for Cassel...
Cassel is a great character guy, but ISN"T our franchise QB; so I think this is the beginning of the end for Matt Cassel in Kansas City
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I think the thing that sucks the most(considering the season is pretty over)
is that cassel didnt get to play MNF against the pats
its almost cruel
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Nov 16, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this I agree with ... tis a shame
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If the Chiefs are competitve or win one of the next 3 games, Cassel should go directly to IR
It would mean that he is being outplayed at QB and is not needed on this team
+1
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by ChiefsatWar on Nov 16, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
on the flip side, if they essentially get eliminated from the playoffs in the next three games
without him, why would you put him in to finish the season, assuming he gets healthy before the end of the season? No reason to risk rushing him if the season is lost.
So basically, is there a scenario where it would be fine for him to come back this season???
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Nov 16, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
And paycheck
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Nov 16, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
* return his paycheck
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Nov 16, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Get well Matt. Also, it bothers me that they don't also comment on how JC, Berry and
the others are doing. I’m sure we’d all like to know. At least just a general comment.
Here's a general comment...
They are on injured reserve and will not play this season.
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
hear! hear!
well said … I hereby annoint you as the next PR head of the Kansas City Chiefs
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Thanks...
I have an eye for the obvious.
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
hint: lots of pain, rehab=players who need to be left alone and are in a bad mood. Id leave them be, check in on them in the spring
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Music to my ears!
Tyler’s our starter and Ricky Stanzi will be our backup.
That’s right, folks!
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
You're clearly tone deaf.
"In my experience, there is no such thing as luck."
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
matt cassel job
i was thinkng maybe is matt cassel job safe after what just happend to himm sunday
by Christian Scruggs on Nov 16, 2011 11:18 AM CST reply actions
JC is doing good
I saw last week while watching the game that Jamaal was there walking around on the sidelines, first time he was actually there on the sideline since the injury… so thats a good sign… as for Matt Cassel, get better, never like to see somebody injured… Of course Palko i’m pullen for ya basicly if you can find a way to beat any of these five teams then you could very well stay the backup for a minute or even start your career (could very easily see him having a good finish and us getting a pick for him) and i still believe Cassel even though he shouldn’t will start next season…
Is it common for a player to have surgery this quickly after an injury?
I thought they usually tried to get multiple opinions. Could have sworn it usually takes longer.
it's the Pioli Cassel connection
like i have been saying Pioli wants Cassel there as quickly as possible to keep trying to prove that he didn’t make a mistake… i don’t expect Haley here after this year based on that fact, Pioli will blame Haley for the fact that he’s not using the players to Cassel’s advantage…
Yes for surgery on broken bones, no on ligaments. For a broken bone in your hand, the sooner the better,
The bones start to heal as soon as they are broken, so you want to get the bones alligned ASAP for best results. For torn ligaments they typically wait for swelling to subside before performing surgery
I know my fear is causing this...
But I don’t like the tone Haley’s using. He’s talking about Cassel like he’s a franchise QB and a huge loss that we need back. That doesn’t bode well for next year.
Could it be that Haley has a blind spot for hard workers? He kept an ineffective 2.7 on board while he was working hard in practice. Then Goff, TJ, B-Rich, McGraw…
I’m afraid he’s going to keep Cassel on as his QB solely because he likes his work ethic…
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The age old question
Is Haley’s way more important than winning? Hard to say anything but, at this point
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 16, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I’m very, very concerned that he thinks he can make Cassel Kurt Warner, and it ain’t gonna happen.
Hopefully he can see that he’s just not capable of turning an average QB into a great or even good one. Hubris can be an ugly thing though…
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 16, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
gee, ya think?
he thinks he can make Cassel Kurt Warner, and it ain’t gonna happen
see, and what bothers me is Haley’s been riding Warner’s coattails for all 3 years that he’s been here in KC, and nobody can see it
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Nov 16, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm still not convinced that Haley didn't stop believing in Cassel a while ago
Last year he yanked him for Brodie for a series, this year he got in his face after a stupid play. Haley hasn’t been able to replace him due to Cassel being hand-selected by Haley’s boss (and may be the source of the rumored friction between Pioli and Haley). The play-calling refects Haley’s lack of confindence in Cassel’s abilities. Again, maybe it’s wishful thinking on my part, but if Haley shows some enthuisism towards Palko on the sidelines and/or gets more aggressive with play calls then it will help support my theory.
interesting theory ... not sure if it's accurate, but it's interesting
everyone has their own boss, and Pioli is Haley’s boss … then too, if Haley really thought Palko (for example) was a better QB than Cassel and the team would win more games, wouldn’t Pioli like, you know, actually WANT that? (more wins, yay!)
I dunno, I think it’s more that Haley thinks he can make a silk purse (Kurt Warner) out of a show’s ear (Cassel) because, gee … look at whatt a genius he was in Arizona!
and he believes that … and if MY theory is correct we’re doomed for years to come
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Haley's going to turn Matt into this?
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Well, with Cassel's high salary they
weren’t going to just dump him no matter what. I don’t have a lot of faith in either Palko or Stanzi, but that’s what the NFL is all about. An unknown player steps in for an injured player, and viola a legend is born. Or at least that is how it is supposed to work in fairy stories. More often than not, the backup steps in and sucks to high heaven and the fan base heaves a collective sigh of relief when the number one player returns.
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upamtn, I guess the only thing I can think of as a reply to that from Pioli to Haley would be...
“Josh MacDaniels won 11 games with Cassel, if you can’t win with him as the QB I know someone that can” ….as I cringe while typing this
no ... Hoodie won 11 games with Cassel as his QB
… so tell Scott he’s dead wrong on that one
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
True. McDaniels is a good OC, or looked that way at least.
Belichick is a great HC.
Given the evidence, I’d put more of that on Belichick than McD.
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I'm very much in agreement with your theory, Chiefs_KC.
I mentioned the same thing in a comment before. Let’s hope that we are correct in our thinking and, though I wish him a speedy recovery, Cassel will no longer be the Chief’s #1 QB when he mends and thereafter.
I'm hoping he's just using that tone because that's what the organization (Pioli) wants, so Haley can't be quick to send Cassel to IR
If Palko or Stanzi can prove to be as good as Cassel in the next couple games (I use the term “as good as Cassel” very loosely) then I think Haley has a legimate case to present to management that the Chiefs are fine without Cassel and he can go to IR
I'm going to hijack your hope...
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 16, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
what I think is funny, is that to be better than cassel has the last 2 games, palko just has to put 2 td's on the board in the next two weeks
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
To be better than Cassel,
Palko or Stanzi simply needs one touchdown in LESS THAN 120 plays from scrimmage.
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by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My expectations of Palko are
2 tds and 200+ yards against the patriots. Anything less and it’s time to bring in Stanzi.
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Nov 16, 2011 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If the Chiefs go through the next offseason without trying to improve the QB position I will be disgusted.
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If the Chiefs don't play Stanzi at some point this year I'll be disgusted.
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by CPT.Caveman on Nov 16, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Unless the 1 in a billion happens and Palko looks good
Me too.
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 16, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
me three
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As opposed to last offseason?
Was drafting Stanzi no attempt to improve the QB position? Pioli is on record as saying he hopes to be in a position to take a QB in every draft… not sure what it is you want, exactly. Brady and Rodgers appear to be taken, and the Raiders can have Carson Palmer for all I care.
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by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
It's better to be pissed off than pissed on.
Cassel is the QB of the future.
Well look at it from another way, MN
Would you feel alright about Haley if he went to the media and said, “Oh thank God. Cassel is probably done for the season. Screw that guy.”
As funny as that seems, it’s not at all what you want a Head Coach saying about anyone on the team. Even when someone like Haynesworth was being superdouche, the ’Skins at least kept the tone professional. And Cassel has simply underperformed, not made an absolute spectacle of himself.
I think you’re probably reading too much into coach-speak at a presser.
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Hahah, I was thinking the same but not as severe
More like him with a big smile, bouncing just a little – “yeah guys, Cassel got his hand surgerized, looks good, but hey, we’re all happy to be alive and we love sunshine and warm hugs – looks like Palko’s the man now, we love our chances with him, he’s learning and doing stuff, and he smells good. It’s all good guys…. alllll gooood.”
And even if it is true – we should know by now that things coaches say during the season often go by the wayside as soon as the season is over. It is simply the most “correct” response to the situation at the moment.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 16, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good call
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Good point
Like I said, I think it’s just my fear…
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 16, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
"there is nothing to fear but fear itself" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
yeah, what did HE know, anyway …
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Besides
How to rape the Constitution? Not a whole lot…
(runs from the room)
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Seriously, I was exaggerating
He only bad-touched it multiple times. Rape is just hyperbole…
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Please...
Don’t let’s get dragged into this. I’ll give you one free shot at Regan
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Why not,
John Fox speaks his mind. LOL
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Maybe we need Fox as our HC!
I almost got that out without throwing up a little.
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Eh, I'll pass..
…and go 2 for 8, then beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead!
sigh
FML
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MN you're 100% right
but one thing Haley is that if he sees someone else can play better he will stick with that guy. It always takes something else to get the incumbent off the field though.
On the bright side of you concern is that Stanzi has an unbelieveable work ethic and I’m sure Haley sees that
by RamX21 on Nov 16, 2011 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dunno...
He seems to stick with the guy he knows a little too long IMO…
Goff, 2.7, TJ, B-Rich… I’m just not sure.
I’ve heard that about Stanzi though, and I hope you’re right. Odds are he’s not the savior, but he’s got a better shot than Palko and we need t know what we’ve got before the draft.
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he is attempting to keep Cassels trade value up.
That and pissing on the QB that has been on the team the past 2 years is not the best tact. Especially if cassel can come back this year.
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Nov 16, 2011 1:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Both good points
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I'm with TRS...
it’s the right speak… at least I hope.
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Nov 16, 2011 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sure, you're with me now.
But how long can you stand the smell?
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I suppose untill this stuffy nose clears up...
I swear that I’ve been sick for 2 months now…. and not the mental type. The latter I was born with…
Go Chiefs!!!!
Well he doesn't have to do it,
He can just call me, and I’ll piss on the poor QB
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
he and Pioli like overachievers
It’s troubling .Although ,I think Hayley is fired after the season
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 16, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Doubtful.
Has Haley ever not given praise to any current player? I’m sure he’d talk about Sabby as if he were Berry. I thought we were all going with the “Haley is being forced to play Cassel by Pioli” theory anyway? Having coached Warner, I think Haley knows Cassel sucks, but what is he supposed to say? Also, as much as he hates yo-yo players, how could he enjoy Cassel?
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by chief Stevie_k on Nov 16, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Read the writing on the wall, folks:
Cassel’s our guy, like him or not.
At the very least, Pioli’s going to keep him around so he plays out his contract while we try to develop someone behind him.
It might wind up that Haley gets scape-goated (though I doubt it, given all the injuries this year) but, one way or the other, Cassel’s not going anywhere.
No problem with going into next season with Cassel as the starter
Contingent on their being an obvious heir apparent behind him, whether that is Stanzi or a high draft pick from this next draft.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Nov 16, 2011 11:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have a problem with Cassel ever being the starter again in KC, RememberDelaney37.
I’ve maintained hope the last 21/2 years that Cassel would develop into a good QB and been sorely disappointed. I’d rather take a chance that Palko, Stanzi, or an import, is much better than what I’ve seen from Cassel.
You may be right.
We’ll find out in next few weeks. It all depends on what happens the remainder of the season. If Palko plays well and the team begins to win with the remaining schedule, Cassel’s job is jeopardy. I would be money that there will be a true QB competition in training camp next year.
why? there hasn't been true competition in training camp for ANY position since Haley and Pioli got here
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You're right. Bowe sitting on the bench when he was playing like crap
And DJ getting bench when DWill was out playing him sure looks like zero competition.
O’Callaghan / BRich swapping places from starter / backup.
Pope / Moeaki last year.
A constant revolving door at WR #2 in 09 / 10 as nobody would step up.
Totally right about no competition.
Or, maybe you’re still just stuck on your kind of irrational love for Croyle and letting that cloud your comments a bit.
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by TRSChief on Nov 16, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2.7 starting over Jamaal Charles until the twitter crap ... and why? not like Larry Johnson ever threw a block when he was here ...
right, true competition … just like with Matt Cassel …
nope, sorry, still not convinced
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Because LJ had proven he could be very productive in the past, and Charles was unproven at the time with a shoulder injury and a history of coughing it up more than he should.
Sure, getting JC in in place of LJ was one of the best things to happen. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I’m not at all convinced that you’re prepared to look at any of this objectively today.
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Why?
You said there wasn’t ANY. He just proved that there were SOME at least. So you’re original statement was wrong.
You don’t get to change your argument midstream to one of degree if you’ve started off as one of absolute.
(See how good I’m getting at this?)
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Your wife must love this whole lawyer thing...
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by MountainManMike on Nov 17, 2011 3:25 AM CST up reply actions
oh, and you forget that Lilja has looked like crap and Waters was released ... yeah, great competition, may the best player win
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Asamoah is having at least as good of a year as Waters did last year.
So Waters’ replacement is doing quite well. Lilja was slid over to LG, where he played in IND.
I think he’s playing average at best this year, but he graded out as our best O Lineman last year. It may be time to look at upgrading his spot.
Still reaching.
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wow
see, this is fascinating, because earlier today MNchiefsfan told me that Lilja is not doing well … yet he’s in there in place of Waters
but he’s having a crappy year?
see, this year isn’t last year … and no, he wasn’t our best OLineman last year, but keep dreaming those dreams … my point remains: no competition out there
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I also told you he outplayed Waters last year, which at least partially justified the decision
And that I believe Weigs and his poor play has a lot to do with it…
Yet you seem to be conveniently leaving that part out when citing me :)
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ups has gotten oddly irrational lately
Job stress? Our beloved Gub’ment got him on edge? (I can completely sympathize with that one).
Yes, Lilja was our best rated O Lineman last year. It’s been linked here at AP to outside sources multiple times, no matter how much ups refuses to believe it.
Asamoah isn’t Lilja’s replacement, Lilja is still playing. Asamoah is Waters’ replacement, as Jon is in and Brian is out. Sliding RG / LG is of little consequence.
Again, ups is reaching here. Again, Waters had a good year (but not the best) last year, and is doing good-not-great this year in NE, but he’s near the end of his career. Lilja did really well last year, and so-so this year. He’s regressed a bit. Asamoah is playing really well except for one bad game. He’s the future and he’s also the now.
If we can get another Asamoah in the 3rd round this next draft, plus tossing Hudson in for a declining Wiegmann, we’ll be looking for depth only on the interior, and have a core of young interior linemen that will be around for quite awhile. And I like that.
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Hey, Croyle still lives in Stillwell, Kansas
and we all now how he can step up and take over a dead offense! Wait, this is deja vu all over again.
"The Hammer"
I think we have to see how the back-ups do in Cassel's absence before saying "Cassel's our guy"
It shouldn’t take much to play as poorly as Matt has in the past 1.5 year’s against teams with winning records…. 0 TD, a couple picks, maybe a fumble, 120 yds passing…. a blow-out loss
Don't forget
About 5 YPA or so with under 60% completions
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You keep moving the bar.
Yesterday it was 4 YPA and 50%, then it was 4 YPA and 30%, now it’s 5 YPA and a vague ‘under 60%’ … ?
How’s Palko supposed to know which standard you’re actually going to hold him to … ?
nope.
That’s the standard we’re holding Cassel to. As a back-up coming in for an injured starter, we can’t expect Palko to be anything less than Tom Brady.
You yelled at me and scared me into raising the bar.
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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Well, here's the bar that Cassel has set this year in the games that weren't against either the 0 win Colts or the 2 win Vikings and Phins:
Matt Cassel’s average per game stat line vs the Chargers (2x), Raiders, Broncos, Bills, and Lions, 6 total games:
17/ 29 59% 157 yds/game 5.5 YPA 0.8 TD 1.5 INT 2 sacks, 0.66 Fumbles
So if Palko can approach those numbers, he’s as good as Cassel has been
Easy, Jac
Cassel’s not going anywhere.
Right. Cuz nobody else wants him.
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
This is Big Boy football
This isn’t D2 Western Montana ,where the head coach gives his best friends 5’6 ,165 lb, 4.8 forty kid a roster spot and a lot of playing time.Jobs,hell careers are on the line.If Cassel can’t play,he won’t be back no matter how much Pioli and the staff like him as a person.It’s a cutthroat buisness out there.My best guess is either Hayley ,Cassel ,or both aren’t with the team next year and we go after a qb in the draft.
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 16, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Heee's baackk....
and he’ll be our QB for years to come…get use to it. I look for Pioli to resign him to a $90 mil 5 yr. deal…he loves this guy.
I am here to answer those who mock me scorn for scorn.
I really hope his hand heals okay.
It would be a shame if he can’t hold a clipboard next year.
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by saskwatch on Nov 16, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
ha!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Sorry
Not a lot of All Pro Quarterbacks from last year holding clip boards. You may have to find another team to watch next year because Cassel will be our man. And I’ll take him over all but 5 others in this league.
There are only about 5 QBs right now as bad or worse than Cassel.
And I’d take most of those over Cassel because they aren’t as predictable.
Ancora imparo.
drafting a qb
in order to get a quality qb you must draft one in the 1st, IMO. Do we do that or is Oline, Dline more important this year? I think this is the year we get a qb in the first, it may be our last opportunity to be in the top 10 in the draft for a long time. At least I hope that is the case
A good
o-line will elevate an average QB like Matt so we go o-line makes the running game and the passing game easier
by chieftimbob on Nov 16, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
? I'm done thinking a good O-line will elevate Matt's play, it's his inaccuracy, below average arm and general low QB IQ that's hindering him
Cassel could play behind a moat keeping defender’s from him and he would still miss receivers
Can there be rabid crocodiles with lazer beams attached to their heads in this moat?
I would like that.
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by TRSChief on Nov 16, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
still not enough to make Cassel a good QB
but it sure would be cool!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Nov 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We don't need a 1st round pick on oline
Second and 3rd is fine in my opinion . In fact wasn’t asomoah like 5th. He’s one of the younger and better oline man we have . I be dissapointed to get a 1st round o lineman.
by chiefsman! on Nov 16, 2011 12:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Asamoah was a 3rd.
Which is about where you’ll usually find good interior O Line. Tackles usually are higher.
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yep
but, it’s a valid point
this OL could be much improved with just another 3rd round OG… assuming Gaither can start at OT, and Hudson takes over at C as expected
I agree, but the Gaither thing is an awfully big assumption to make.
Leaning on Gaither to be the guy and not addressing OT in the draft is a very boom or bust kind of move.
I’m still not convinced his back is progressing as well as everyone hoped. We’ll see, and it’ll be ten shades of awesome if he comes back to all of his former all-pro splendor. But if he doesn’t, and we don’t add a good OT, whoever is under center is going to see an OK Albert and a subpar BRich protecting his flanks. Again.
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stag, stop assuming and stop parroting the "company line"
great teams are ALWAYS built from the inside out, from the lines out … always, that’s the way it’s done … why? because that’s STILL where the game is ultimately won or lost
I’m with TRS and not at all convinced that Gaither can do anything … same goes for Hudson til I see him out there
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Nov 16, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So by stating his hopes is parroting the company line?
Sheesh, we’ve got enough of that crap around here without going after one of the nicest guys on AP.
then again, I’ve been told I need to stop “parenting” people. Since you don’t fall in that category though… :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Daddy can I have a snack ?
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
You started it
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
BOYS!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Haha gotcha...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
of course good lines are built that way
I’m not parroting any company line, buddy
I saw enough of Hudson pre-draft to believe he’ll be a stud when he steps into a starting role next year, just like Asamoah this year.
And, there’s a reason Gaither was signed, and is still around… and he’s looked good in limited action.
I think haley is too slow to change mid-season… but I DO believe Gaither has a really good shot at being a starter in 2011.
if he’s not… I’d surely want to see them take an OT in rounds 1/2
Do we draft a D lineman?
We don’t have experience drafting D lineman.
Todd Blackledge. First round.
Yep, you need to draft a QB in the first round if you want that quality guy.
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Nope. I'm all in on Stanzi.
But your position is that Stanzi cannot be quality because he wasn’t taken in the first round.
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Here are your
STANZI CITY CHIEFS!!!
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
we are to base this teams future on Stanzi
The fact that we failed on a first round qb 26 some odd years ago we should trust a guy in the 5th rnd to lead this team into the future when he cant upend the backup qb? I would take my chances in the draft because neither of these backups will be here in 2 years
Tom Brady-First Round
Wait a second….
by Chiefs fan in ST Louis on Nov 16, 2011 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and remember: Blackledge comes from Penn State, a fine upstanding scholarly institution of higher learning
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'm almost positive that Blackledge not panning out
Is related to Sandusky…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
No, he didn't pan out,
But he did give a hand out
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Todd Blackledge was a QB.
There are a lot of bust at QB and Defensive line. My boy Gabbert was the number 10 pick for the Jags and is having a hard year. Unless the QB is named Luck, I’m staying away from
drafting a QB this year.
we should jack Page
we should sign page to fill in behind Berry… Kendrick Lewis kind of reminds me of Page when we signed him…
evidently the fan base has a ridiculously short memory
Some of us dont
no thanks to the page brothers
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
or was it his cousin? see, now ive forgotten
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
It was his brother that he made his representative after he fired his actual real agent.
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last year never happened
you’re all experiencing “mass hallucination”
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Piscatelli, McGraw, whoever else
all goes back to depth, the inability or lack of wanting to spend in FA. Now here we are grasping at straws. What can a coach do with this kind of lack of depth, agree that Page is not the answer but who is….
well, we did have whatshisname (LB Free Agent pickup from San Diego) who got hurt in preseason
Pioli got some people, but like the draft it’s a crap shoot on Free Agents
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah I'm with you there.
We picked up some good free agents. Probably missed out on a few, though not always for a lack of trying. Sometimes guys just go where they want to go. And free agents are definitely like draft picks in the way that you never know for sure how they’ll work in your system / environment. You can make an educated guess, but never be completely sure.
Unless we got Haloti Ngata. Because he’s a friggin’ BOSS!
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I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I remember page intercepting plenty of passes
i remember him stealing games from the Raiders, only problem with page is he was to much like Pollard on the fact that pollard just tryed to hit stick you and everybody just bounced off and kept running… Page was good, every player has bad years and good years look at our starting QB
Apparently you don't remember Page calling out Haley for "making him play injured" and demanding a trade.
There is absolutely 0% chance PAge gets a roster spot here.
Crap, Us KC fans forget game to game.
See, some still think Cassel is awesome, after his many many crappy games
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
We need more production from our slot receiver.
A boxer sets you up with a jab and than when your not expecting it, that hit you with a right cross, That is what the Pats do, short passes to Welker and than they throw a long pass.
Since the O line is not that good against the pass, we need to do quick slants to the slot receiver and than throw long to Breaston, Bowe or Baldwin.
I’m wondering who should be our slot receiver Breaston, Bowe or Baldwin? Whoever our Qb is now or if it’s Cassel in the future, we need to work on the production of the slot receiver to have a good balanced offense.
Breaston, no contest
Guy’s made for slot WR.
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yep, he's good there, and on the outside
seems like Colbert is their favorite slot guy… but I haven’t seen much of him on the field lately
Well, let's run some 4 receiver sets then :)
Why not?
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only reason I can think of
Pass Protection, or lack thereof
they need that extra back/TE to help bail out BRich when he gets beat
Have TJ in there for pass pro
5 linemen, QB, RB, 4 receivers.
Of course, with TJ back there they’ll know we aren’t running. At least, not well…
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slot receiver
You forget the success we had in our first two teams especially against INDY was having Bowe running slants and no one could stop him and it opened it up for him to get deeper coz he become a threat on every route he ran. We were rolling weren’t we ?Somehow our retarded coaching staff forgot about that .HOW many slants did Bowe run and get targeted on Sunday ? One that was too high .In normal Matt Cassel fashion he only wanted to target one guy and that is Baldwin not because JB is better than DB ,But because he knows he’s not accurate he wants to throw it up there and for JB to make a play for him like Moss did in NE . It will shock people when Palko is successful .I think Palko does better reads than MC and can move a defense with his eyes something that MC for three years I’ve only seen him do just a number of times. Overall given the NFL QB experience yes MC is better than TP but IMO TP is still 0-0 as a starter which is better than Brody Croyle as a backup and Thiggy and Idk Matt ’s Win loss record is in KC but I like the new life at QB
It's like 42-58 or sumin like that.
He beat winning teams " teams over .500" about 6 times? in his career as a chief.
by chiefsman! on Nov 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how many of those wins came via defensive scores etc
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Playing that game - how many losses came via late defensive collapses?
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Also JC and the work of the receivers
He only has like a 57 % completion rating with 6.6 ypa
by chiefsman! on Nov 16, 2011 12:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha way off . It's more like 18-21
I forgot how long I dealt with the guy. And I think the wins against winnin teams in 3 .
by chiefsman! on Nov 16, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree...
I am actually excited to watch the Chiefs on Monday. Do I think we will win… I think we have a shot (a better shot than with Cassel). Now maybe my Cassel hate just runs so deep that i think anyone who is not Cassel gives a better chance to win… I’ll own that.
But to your other point about the slants, I totally agree! DB on the slant = $, Dex on the draw = Fail, Thomas Jones touching the ball = fail, but for some reason we’ll go back to those wells 10 plays per game. And what the hell is up with the LeRon McClain swing pass?!?!? WTF
Also, what happened to screen passes? Toss, sweeps with pulling guards? those are plays build for Dex. someone should show Bill Muir, Al Saunders offense from 2002 with Priest Holmes and say… “See that… do that with Dex”
by Stone Throwers on Nov 16, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
like this...
Remember when our offense was so stupid good that our biggest fear was we would score too quickly and leave the Defense on the field for 40+ minutes per game while still scoring 45+ points… God that was a good problem to have…
by Stone Throwers on Nov 16, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Right, but in the Vermeil years
we absolutely gave up on the defensive side of the ball… I recall the Colts coming into Arrowhead in the playoffs and never having to punt. Not once. Not even close.
Ya need some balance. We have an okay defense, but when they get trotted out after every three and out and can’t get any pressure on the opposing QB, well, we’re screwed.
You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.
by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Slot Receiver.
We can say you have to work on the quick slants. Why isn’t Haley telling his QB I want to see the receiver run quck slants and you throw the ball to him? I think Cassel problem is, he listens to his coach. He need to have some Farve Attitude, and don’t listen to the coach.
Gronkowski and Hernandez
coverage with our current set of Safeties and Linebackers should not be a problem either!
At Least 4 weeks I'd think
Specially being his throwing hand
by chiefsman! on Nov 16, 2011 12:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
my bold prediction
Cassel and Haley are both back next year…
if it were me, I would finally draft a franchise QB in the 1st round with the plans to let him sit for up to a year if needed….
But, my guess is that Pioli/Haley adds an OLineman or two early and rolls with Cassel/Stanzi next year
jc
JC was on the sidelines on Sunday wearing sweats and walking around.Im guessing he didnt have to have surgery
He had surgery weeks ago.
He’s presumably been rehabbing.
by bamachief5558 on Nov 16, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Here is the guy who did it:
http://panews.com/sports/x1372391900/Noted-sports-Doc-performed-surgery-on-Jamaal-Charles
Huh, says it wasn’t as bad as they thought…
Short Memory?
In case you were wondering about the toughness of #7, here’s a quick read. Whether or not you believe in his ability or heart, his team does. He proved a lot of people wrong last year with this:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/2010/12/19/chiefs-rams-0/
Stay tuned for more Cassel… Cause he ain’t done!
cassel isnt that good.
he can be the toughest guy in the world and have the biggest heart. He still stinks.
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