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Okay, I have some things to get off my chest.  Usually I am pretty laid back and just sit back and read what other excellent football minds on this site have written.  Occasionally I write a post and discuss football if something is really important to me or is bugging me.  Such is the case with this post.  I am the first to admit I was an extreme critic of Herman Edwards when he was the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.  My problems with Herm lay in the fact that Herm's offensive philosophy was win the game with defense.  That is a noble thought, desire, ambition, or whatever you want to call it.  Winning a game 9-6 is just as good as a game won by the score of 42-7. A win is a win.  In today's NFL keeping the score close and hoping to deliver a knockout punch late in the game is largely wishful thinking.  I am not going to beat the dead horse of Herman Edward's coaching career with this post however.


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With the hiring of Todd Haley as the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs and his past experience as an offensive coordinator, I was of the opinion that it was just a matter of time before the Chiefs would have an offense which could put some points on the board and "run with the big dogs".  Enter Matt Cassel and various other offensive players over the next couple of years. I was virtually certain the offense was on the verge of taking off and being able to outscore our opponents if the Chiefs were to become involved in an offensive shoot out with other teams late in the season for "must win" games.  

Well we have just come off of two "must win" games if the Chiefs were to continue their winning ways and to have a decent shot at the playoffs with the toughest part of the schedule coming up.  How did we do?  Uhhhhhhhhhh............not so well.  In the last two games our offense has scored a total of 13 points and we lost both games.  At this point, it is looking a lot like another "maybe next year" season for the Chiefs.  The four wins in the month of October all had the Chiefs putting 20 plus points on the board.  Of course some of those points were scored by the defense, but it is readily apparent that scoring more points has a dramatic effect on the outcome of games.  Why, in the name of heaven can't our offense score more than 13 points in two very important games?  With the departure of Charlie Weiss from the team following last season, many predicted a drop in offensive production.  I was not one of those.  I felt with Haley's offensive experience, the offense would continue to grow and thrive especially with the addition of players like Jonathan Baldwin who I am certain will become a household name as a receiver.  I was wrong.  Todd Haley hired Bill Muir as the offensive coordinator.  I am unsure of the reasoning for Haley doing so (perhaps it was nothing more than dealing with a known entity) but this experiment has been an epic failure.  I do not believe Muir's inability to milk offensive production out of these guys is a function of age, I think it a function of non creativity.  I see more interesting thoughts on possible offensive sets, plays, and what not on Arrowhead Pride than I see on the field from Bill Muir's offense.  Perhaps Muir is playing his cards close to the vest in order to retain his job, but if that is the case, it is not working.  Poor offensive production is virtually certain to end Muir's reign as offensive coordinator at the end of this season.  If it does not, then there is something dreadfully wrong in the Chiefs organization.

  I was a big critic of Herm Edward's inability to make adjustments either during the game or during the season to his team.  I am currently of the opinion that the same is becoming true of the Haley offense.  A professional offense scored 3 points in our next to last game?  Are you kidding me?  That is a disgrace.  Against the Broncos, our defense was not great, but they played well enough to win the game.  What happened?  Our offense put up ten points against a team that threw the ball twice the entire game and only put up 17 points for the win.  Where were the adjustments?  None were made.  The more three and outs our offense has, the longer our defense has to be on the field and run the risk of tiring and getting blown out.  If our defense holds and gives the ball back to our offense we simply cannot afford to have the offense go three and out and put our defense right back on the field.  Haley keeps spewing some great sounding rhetoric, but at some point he has to take some action.  To date nothing of the sort has happened.  Matt Cassel has spent a great deal of his time running for his life, or lying on his back.  The play calling has been lackluster at best.  Players are not being utilized in a manner which plays to their strength.  Receivers are dropping passes, players are fumbling the ball.  Who is minding the store?  Anyone?   Apparently not. 

This offense is broken.  As a long suffering Chiefs fan, I want to know who is going to fix it.  Todd Haley seems strangely disinclined to do so.  Or at least I have seen no concrete evidence to suggest he is attempting to do so.  Somebody needs to take control of this offense and make it work.  If it is not accomplished for this season, then it surely needs to be started on so it can be a work in progress for next season.  I am not going to lay the blame for the offensive failure at the feet of the players on the field.  I am of the opinion that there is enough offensive talent on the Chiefs roster to put up some points and win some games.  In order to do so, it is going to take some creative thinking on the part of the coaching staff and someone taking control of this mess.  Bill Muir needs to go.  If not this season, then at the end of the season for sure.  If Bill Muir is retained at this point for the remainder of the season, then this season is fairly well written off.  It would send a big message if Todd Haley were to have the cojones to sack Bill Muir and take the reigns of the offense himself.  It would let everyone know he not only expects production, he demands it.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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by ChiefsatWar on Nov 16, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

I'm okay with Haley taking the reigns at this point.

Let Muir just focus solely on the O Line again and see if we can’t kickstart this offense.

Have Haley and Haley alone call in the offensive play. Let Romeo take care of everything involving the defense, including personnel / sub decisions.

One voice in the QB’s ear. One play call in early enough for the QB to look at the defense and have time to decide if an audible is in order.

I think we’ve been making this way more difficult than it needs to be.

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by TRSChief on Nov 16, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

hate to tell you, but Muir calls plays that have been 100% approved by Haley (and/or Zorn)

see, Kurt Carner made the universe thing that haley was an offensive genius … and Haley allowed the world to continue with that illusion … 2009 should have said something to a lot of people (other than me) but it was all chalked up to a “new system” (2 weeks before the season starts? are you kidding me?) … firing one the best offensive minds (Chan Gailey) of the NFL, are you kidding me?

like DUDE! first game of the year the ONLY person who had a CLUE was (drum roll, please!) Brodie Croyle … game two, enter Matt Cassel, begin downward spiral (but sure, chalk it up to everyone and everything BUT Cassel and/or Haley)

then last year we beat the dregs of the NFL and all of a sudden Haley’s a genius and Cassel’s a real QB … are you kidding me???

we see what we WANT to see, believe what we WANT to believe … think what we WANT to think, as long as it’s convenient for us to see and believe and think, as long as it fits into our nice, neat little preconceived notions of what should or shouldn’t be …

people deperately WANTED to blame Herm for anything, everything … I’m surprised he wasn’t blamed for the economy going sour … believe what you want, but Haley is no genius

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Nov 16, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sure you meant Kurt Warner...

and I still wonder why Haley couldn’t work with Chan Gailey, who knows how to put players in the right places to make plays, something this Chiefs team simply refuses to do. Have you seen a slant since the Colts game? But I digress…

Who cares if Muir’s calls are approved by Haley and Zorn? Three-way communication/confirmation before the QB knows what to call in the huddle is bullshit! Hell, Joe Freaking Montana couldn’t run an offense with that much dysfunction going on for twenty seconds every down.

You know why Iowa has no professional football team? Because then Minnesota would want one, too.

by neiowakcfan on Nov 16, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Gailey spreads things out quite a bit as a general offensive philosphy.

Haley was wanting to install an Earhardt-Perkins pro style offense. The two philosophies don’t mesh that well. Whether or not EP is a good choice for the personnel we have / had is another debate entirely. (Maybe it was “strongly encouraged” by Pioli, coming from New England? Who knows?)

Landing Weis when trying to install an E-P offense was a great boon for us. Then he went to go coach with his son at UF. I think that threw a big monkeywrench into things. And is probably having repercussions still today.

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by TRSChief on Nov 16, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think ya got it about right.....

IMO Muir is just a stop gap because no one who really fit the need was available at the time. I still have hope that a true offensive coordinator will be named and this teams Offense can come together. Right now it is evident that things are unsettled and in need of better direction. I am a littled worried that Haley and maybe Pioli as well are reluctant to hire a person who is not personally known to them. I would hope that they are secure enough in their own abilities to bring in some one by reputation or 3rd party endorsment who has the skill but is from outside the comfort zone of close personal ties.

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by CatChief on Nov 16, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

ha, yes ... meant Warner (fingers moving faster than my brain, or vice versa)

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Nov 16, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Missed out there, ups

Was talking, pretty obviously, about streamlining the play calling. Our O Line play is regressing, and needs a dedicated O Line coach, not an OC / OLine coach hybrid.

Muir isn’t doing much as OC anyway, may as well let Haley call in the plays.

Of course the plays are approved by Haley. That’s the problem, they’re having to be approved. Let the guy that calls the play have the final approval. Streamlines the process. Bang. Boom. Done. No more waiting for the play call, then the play call is thought about and approved / changed, meanwhile personnel are subbing in / out, then the QB has the play with a few seconds to get everyone lined up, read the defense and make an adjustment if necessary. It’s clunky. It works in some systems. It’s not working in ours.

And in “beating the dregs of the NFL”, we played the same schedule the rest of the AFC West did. We beat those teams and they didn’t. So our guys were a step ahead of Norv and his Super Chargers, the Raiders and Donks. Not an amazing feat, but winning a soft division is still winning a division race in the NFL.

And what’s with the crazy strawman talk? Where did I say genius? Haley was an OC, and a pretty good one. Not earth shattering. Pretty good. I don’t think Muir is pretty good. So you go back to letting a pretty good OC call in the plays directly, giving the QB time to read defense and adjust. Not rocket science.

You’re lashing out pretty hard today.

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by TRSChief on Nov 16, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I see the dis-connect there on your post and ups' rant

I agree with gettin Muir the hell outta Dodge, but still appreciate that rant.

by SCKSChief on Nov 16, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

TRS looks like you missed the point, ie my point

haley approves the plays and overall game plan every week … I didn’t mean or intend to imply that he approves every call as it’s called (though that SEEMS to happen with all the time it takes, and/or going thru Zorn … wth is up with that?)

just remember, i only “lash out” at those who disagree with my “always correct” pearls of wisdom (ok, you can stop laughing now … I said, you can stop rolling around on the fllor and … fine, be that way!)

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Nov 16, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh it's been stated that he has on field override power. At least I'm more than pretty sure.

And I think that’s the issue. Muir calls the play. Haley approves or alters. I’m not sure who then actually gets in the QB’s ear, if it’s Haley or Zorn, to relay the info. But it’s too many cooks in the kitchen.

And things just aren’t running smoothly enough for that kind of system yet. It can work once everything is streamlined and fluid. But it seems too clunky and looks to have cost us several timeouts / near delay of game penalties, as well as causing a big shortage of opportunities for the QB to try to read the defense and audible out if necessary.

Hell as bad as things have gone, I wish they’d just put it completely in Cassel’s hands just for one game. Give him the Manning keys. Let him call the play in the huddle, audible out if needed, and go go go go go. See if they can maybe keep a defense on their toes. Won’t happen, but it would be interesting to see for research’s sake.

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by TRSChief on Nov 16, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

especially now that Cassel is out it won't happen, but yanno, right now I'd not be upset if they let Palko do that Monday Night
as things have gone, I wish they’d just put it completely in Cassel’s hands just for one game. Give him the Manning keys. Let him call the play in the huddle, audible out if needed, and go go go go go

agree that IF they have Zorn and/or Haley chirping in on every play (or even most plays) it’s insanely stupid … override authority, of course, but sheeesh, itf they are going thru the ATT call center for every play, well that’s just dumb

that was my point way back when they announced Muir as OC … I like the move, it’s not rocket science or brain surgery … Haley needs to step back and let it happen, just the way he needs to have trust in his players, he needs to have trust in his coaches … if he wants to be calling the plays that badly then he should step down as HC and appoint himself the OC instead (and no, I am NOT joking)

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Nov 17, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you, upster!

I whole-heartedly agree. Harrumph!!

by SCKSChief on Nov 16, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

We're built to sling it at this point, and don't have a choice

We’ve got an average RB and O-line, and very good WR’s. Gotta sling it.

Yet we seem to continue to be attached the idea that the play calls that would work with JC and Moeaki in there will still work…

We shall see.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 16, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Bill Muir

Will he even be awake on Monday Night.?
That is pretty late for him, maybe Haley will enforce a 10 a.m. manditory OC nap policy…

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by ChiefsatWar on Nov 16, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

They will give him a 5 hour enrgy drink

before the game and one at halftime.

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by KingChief on Nov 16, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I am reserving judgement concerning who is, or is not, an

offensive genius on this team. I am not reading “offensive genius” into any of this current offensive mess. What is going to be interesting to me is to see who comes out of this “competent to be head coach”. I have been a Haley supporter, but am wavering the longer this offensive stalemate continues. If the offense is allowed to wallow in incompetence for the remainder of the season, I think the “why” question needs to be seriously looked at.

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by G.L. on Nov 16, 2011 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

The team needs to make some defensive adjustments as well according to who they playing.

The team did make one defensive adjustment, but it wasn’t until the last drive. The option can be killed with blitzes from the D backs. Miami effectivetly put an end to the option by doing this to OU for 3 games back during the ‘80s. Crennel didn’t have any of the D backs blitz until the last drive. Should have played the WR’s straight-up man and blitzed more often. It was worth the gamble with Tebow at QB and Cassel struggling.

The team needs to begin playing all phases of the game well like they did last season and quite relaying on one area to pull the entire load.

by chief66 on Nov 16, 2011 1:08 PM CST reply actions  

yanno, maybe that's part of the problem ...

in trying too hard to be “The Pats” we find ourselves being “The Nobodies” … we have no identity, no focus, no direction

running team? passing team? defensive team? any damn team?

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by upamtn on Nov 16, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I often wonder if we're trying too hard to emulate what's worked for New England

Instead of adapting things to the personnel we have on hand. E-P defense is great with the right players and coaches. But so is a spread, or shotgun, or west coast or whatever other offense. Same with the 2 gap 3-4.

I can appreciate they have clearly defined goals scheme-wise and are trying to acquire the personnel to make it work. But maybe some more flexibility to the people that are on-hand would lead to some more success in the path to get there.

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by TRSChief on Nov 16, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

this ^^^

that flexibility and willingness to adapt is one thing I loved about Chan Gailey … and it’s something that seems to be missing from Todd Haley, sadly

I can also appreciate wanting it this way or that, but if it isn’t working … well, we all know the classic definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Nov 17, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree. They are looking at only one way of doing things,

or so it seems and not paying any attention to the weak spots of the team in front of them.

by chief66 on Nov 16, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

good post and I think Haley knows he is gone, gone, gone and isn't trying to hard.

being a lame duck coach in a bad situation sometimes drains the drive to excel.

by dubld on Nov 16, 2011 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

by the same logic...

I wonder if he isn’t trying too hard some times. This team has looked like one that has needed to simplify things all year. Ok, maybe logic has nothing to do with it. If he really feals like he is gone, Pioli should be fired for not giving him full support til’ canned. Don’t see many coaches wanting to come in if that is so.

by 12t on Nov 16, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

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