The Numbers: Matt Cassel vs. the Quarterbacks of the Future!
by JacinB on Nov 15, 2011 2:26 PM CST
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PrintIt's become more than clear to many on this site that Matt Cassel is not the answer for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Clearly, there's another QB on the roster who is likely better than Cassel (*cough*Palko*cough*) as we'll find out this Sunday and, even if that guy isn't the answer, Cassel's injury will force the Chiefs to transition to the one, true savior (*cough*Stanzi*cough*) of the future Chiefs.
So, because certainly we all know more than Pioli and Haley and, obviously, the numbers will bear out our argument, let's take a look at what our miserable, no good, below average QB (you know, Matt Cassel) looks like against the true, legitimate Quarterbacks of the Future!
(For the record, that last bit sounds even better if you imagine it said with a booming, echoing voice.)
Let me introduce lowly Matt Cassel's competition:
- Sam Bradford, taken 1st overall in 2010 by the St. Louis Rams.
- Matt Stafford, taken 1st overall in 2009 by the Detroit Lions.
- Matt Ryan, taken 3rd overall in 2008 by the Atlanta Falcons.
- Mark Sanchez, taken 5th overall in 2009 by the New York Jets.
- And, finally, Josh Freeman, taken 17th overall in 2009 by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
In cases (such as Sam Bradford's) in which Cassel has been in Kansas City longer than the competition has been in the NFL, only the years in which both players were in the NFL will be considered.
In cases (such as Matt Ryan's) in which the competition has been in the NFL longer than Cassel has been in Kansas City, only the years in which Cassel was in Kansas City will be considered.
Let's go to the numbers!
Cassel vs. Sam Bradford (2010-2011):
Games Started: 24 vs. 23
Comp: 422 vs. 496
Att: 719 vs. 847
Pct: 58.6% vs. 58.6%
Yds: 4,829 vs. 5,099
Avg: 6.7 vs. 6.0
TD: 37 vs. 22
INT: 16 vs. 19
Rate: 86.9 vs. 75.3
Cassel vs. Matt Stafford (2009-2011):
Games Played: 39 vs. 22
Comp: 693 vs. 474
Att: 1212 vs. 835
Pct: 57.1% vs. 56.8%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 5,310
Avg: 6.4 vs. 6.4
TD: 53 vs. 39
INT: 32 vs. 29
Rate: 80 vs. 77.0
Cassel vs. Matt Ryan (2009-2011):
Games Started: 39 vs. 39
Comp: 693 vs. 817
Att: 1212 vs. 1350
Pct: 57.1% vs. 60.5%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 8,930
Avg: 6.4 vs. 6.6
TD: 53 vs. 64
INT: 32 vs. 33
Rate: 80 vs. 85.7
Cassel vs. Mark Sanchez (2009-2011):
Games Started: 39 vs. 40
Comp: 693 vs. 643
Att: 1212 vs. 1169
Pct: 57.1% vs. 55.0%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 7,816
Avg: 6.4 vs. 6.7
TD: 53 vs. 43
INT: 32 vs. 42
Rate: 80 vs. 73.1
Cassel vs. Josh Freeman (2009 – 2011):
Games Played: 39 vs. 34
Comp: 693 vs. 657
Att: 1212 vs. 1104
Pct: 57.1% vs. 59.5%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 7,480
Avg: 6.4 vs. 6.8
TD: 53 vs. 44
INT: 32 vs. 37
Rate: 80 vs. 79.2
So, of those QBotFs, the one he compares least favorably against is Matt Ryan, and that's throwing out Ryan's rookie season and Cassel's year in New England. If you include those two years, Cassel and Ryan appear a whole lot more 'even.'
So, there you have it, folks: Just as everyone here has lead you to believe and as you would've expected, our miserable, no-good QB in his two-and-a-half years in Kansas City is clearly worse better and farther behind ahead of the development of the Quarterbacks of the future.
Clearly, Matt Cassel should be replaced immediately with whatever prospect falls to us in the draft.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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nicely done! rec'd
I’m sure you’ll get plenty of “but, he doesn’t pass the eye test” and “those other guys have potential, Cassel doesn’t”
but, I agree that KC isn’t any farther behind where they would have been had they drafted any of those guys…
But the future would be a hell of a lot brighter.
I am not a fan of Sanchez, but all the other QB’s have a hell of a lot more upside than Cassel.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Now lets compare him to recent Super Bowl QBs
Thats where we want to get right?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Casshole vs Bad Touch Ben (2009-11)
Games Played: 39 vs. 37
Comp: 693 vs. 801
Att: 1212 vs. 1249
Pct: 57.1% vs. 64.1%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 10,405
Avg: 6.4 vs. 8.3
TD: 53 vs. 59
INT: 32 vs. 26
Rate: 80 vs. 96.8
Casshole vs Warner (2009-11)
Games Played: 39 vs. 15
Comp: 693 vs. 339
Att: 1212 vs. 513
Pct: 57.1% vs. 66.1%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 3,753
Avg: 6.4 vs. 7.3
TD: 53 vs. 26
INT: 32 vs. 14
Rate: 80 vs. 93.2
Casshole vs Brees (2009-11)
Games Played: 39 vs. 41
Comp: 693 vs. 1110
Att: 1212 vs. 1594
Pct: 57.1% vs. 69.6%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 12,334
Avg: 6.4 vs. 7.7
TD: 53 vs. 90
INT: 32 vs. 44
Rate: 80 vs. 100.6
Casshole vs Rodgers(2009-11)
Games Played: 39 vs. 40
Comp: 693 vs. 877
Att: 1212 vs. 1311
Pct: 57.1% vs. 66.8%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 11,225
Avg: 6.4 vs. 8.5
TD: 53 vs. 86
INT: 32 vs. 21
Rate: 80 vs. 111.7
Casshole vs Pey Pey(2009-11)
Games Played: 39 vs. 32
Comp: 693 vs. 843
Att: 1212 vs. 1250
Pct: 57.1% vs. 67.4%
Yds: 7,753 vs. 9200
Avg: 6.4 vs. 7.36
TD: 53 vs. 66
INT: 32 vs. 33
Rate: 80 vs. 95.9
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
He's not even close
But hopefully we can soon put all this behind us once he’s cut in the offseason
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
therein lies the problem
“clearly better”
in the draft, that’s basically Luck and RGIII, in my opinion
in FA… I’m not sure there is one
FA...Dennis Dixon
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Wait.....what?Troy Smith
What has he ever done, and Dennis Dixon….really
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Draft RG3, sign Dixon, run insane 2 Qb sets
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
haha, that would be fun to watch
get JC back… with the WR corps KC has…
holy schiz
2 more OLinemen and this offense would be nasty
No way that gimmicky shit would work in the NFL.
Next you will be trying to tell me you could run the triple option and have success.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Clearly, there’s another QB on the roster who is likely better than Cassel (*cough*Palko*cough*) as we’ll find out this Sunday and, even if that guy isn’t the answer, Cassel’s injury will force the Chiefs to transition to the one, true savior (*cough*Stanzi*cough*) of the future Chiefs.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Where did you get this from?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
It’s the aggregate of the anti-Cassel argument (which, clearly, is right) posted in threads — and in the comments on threads — such as:
The Palko Era Begins … FINALLY!
Cassel, Palko, and the Chiefs
Patriots Fans Disappointed Matt Cassel Won’t Play Monday Night
Is it a straw man argument? Possibly, I suppose.
But, I prefer to think of it more as a satirical stab at the opposing viewpoint’s nigh delusional opinions of an absolutely horrible back-up quarterback and a fifth-round draft pick who’s done nothing in the NFL but hold clipboards and squirt Gatorade into the starting QB’s mouth during timeouts.
As one of the "Anti-Cassel" guys that is certainly not my point of view.
I think Palko is probably the worse backup in the league, and hoping a 5th round QB will be the savior is delusional. I just am sick of looking at Matt Cassel, and hope that management has finally come to the realization they need to try and upgrade this position in the offseason.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Also, thanks for proving that our 7th year, 29 year old plays like a second year, 24 year old. Congrats, you win the debate.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Who cares what starting experience they have? Honestly, why do we give him a pass for it? Does it mean he’s going to get better? Aaron Rodgers is a much better comparison. He was drafted the same year, sat for three years behind one of the best ever, and look what he is doing.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
it's not a pass
he’s not an elite QB… but he’s not the worst option the Chiefs would have had over the last 3 yrs
He’s not the worst only if you compare him to what’s on the roster.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
He’s not the worst only if you compare him to what’s on the roster.
Our roster, or other teams’ rosters? Because that’s sort of the point of this thread.
Put him up against the QBs of the Future, the elites-to-be, the guys who everyone was hoping we’d find some way to take in the draft (HIV, I’m looking at you with your Sanchize envy), and — well, hey, look at that — he’s really not the worst option we could’ve had.
And my point is that you’re comparing a guy that is five years older (which means he is five years closer to retirement) to guys who just made it into the league.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
How is age irrelevant? Why are we developing a nearly 30 year old QB? By the time he’s hit his “prim” his body will be breaking down.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
it's irrelevant to this conversation
which is comparing performance vs other QBs that were available
Compare him to the other ‘QBs of the Future’ and the other recently-drafted ‘Franchise Quarterbacks.’ He looks better than most.
That’s the original statement. You can compare him to whomever you choose to make him look better, but the fact is that he’s been in the league longer and is much older. So why should we be happy that he’s performing better than some 24 year old? That 24 year old has 5 years to pass the level Cassel’s playing while Cassel has 5 or 6 years before he’s finished. Why should we continue to let him develop when we’ve seen 2.5 years of mediocrity? The guy should be entering his prime right now, instead we’re comparing him to second year players.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
just looking at the facts
in their first 2-3 years of STARTING experience, these QBs have performed similiarly
I’m not talking about the future, or potential, or whatever… just the facts as presented here…
KC would likely NOT have gotten better QB play had they drafted one of the “top” options instead of trading for Cassel.
that’s it
by stagdsp on Nov 15, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The facts are that Aaron Rodgers is a much closer case to Cassel’s. But we don’t want to compare the two.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
But you act like you don't get experience being a backup
Don’t I hear that all the time? That we need to draft a QB and let him ride the bench to learn before starting? If thats the case then Casshole should be light years ahead of guys coming out of school. He should be, you know, learning something while being a backup. Its not like he only started receiving coaching after Brady got Pollard’ed.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
that's the idea
but, he’s been only slightly better.
again, I’m not arguing whether he SHOULD be better, or whether he WILL be better in the future…
ONLY that, given the options, Cassel HAS been as good as those guys in the past couple years.
course the constant change in OC
and mentoring that the Chiefs have provided Cassel is a
Bonus
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 15, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
And?
The Elite Quarterbacks that everyone would like him to be? How long have they been around.
Peyton’s been a starter in the NFL since before Cassel got his driver’s license. He’s considered possibly the greatest QB of all time and it took him eight years to make it to the Super Bowl.
Brady’s been a starter in the NFL since 2001, when Cassel was still in high school. He didn’t win a title until his, well, his second year when he took over for for Bledsoe, but I think everyone here can agree that that’s an anomaly and not the norm.
Guys like Kerry Collins, Brett Favre and Kurt Warner have proven that age isn’t a factor. So, what’s your point again?
Can you imagine what Sanchez would do with JC, Bowe and Baldwin?
He wouldn’t just be getting to AFC Championship games.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Sanchez didn't have good WRs
In 2009? Hell no.
got better in 2010 with the additon of Holmes but Edwards is a joke.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
He does now, he's also 5-4 with them
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Behind our OL or theirs?
Blame my wife!
Just because I haven't responded, doesn't mean you won the argument!
Either
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Behind ours he has about half a second before he ends up on his ass clutching his arm.
Blame my wife!
Just because I haven't responded, doesn't mean you won the argument!
Hmmm
Oline performs poorly for 2 1/2 games = throw them under the bus.
Qback perforoms poorly for 2 1/2 years = Make excuses for him.
Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.
by craig in calgary on Nov 15, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I take your non response to mean I won the argument.
Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.
by craig in calgary on Nov 15, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
good facts will always trump hear say evidence evidence
just like actual talent at the QB position will trump guts, can do attitude and heart
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Nov 16, 2011 3:04 AM CST up reply actions
Same as he is now, nothing
he had the #1 run game and #1 defense behind him and he still couldnt win the sb, how much more help can you give him
They have the same experience because Pete Carroll was smart enought to realise Cassel is not a starting QB.
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Given their total years as starters in college and the NFL?
I’d say they’re pretty equitable, in terms of total experience leading a team at a highly competitive level.
Also, developmentally, all of those guys he’s being compared against were first round draft picks (and 80% of them were taken in the top 5 overall) so they’re expected to be the cream of the crop while Cassel was taken with the 230th pick late in the 7th round so, if anything, you’d expect them to be a bit ahead of him. Most aren’t.
if anything, you’d expect them to be a bit ahead of him. Most aren’t.
Only if you rationalize away the fact that he’s been in the league four years longer.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
As a back-up.
After being a back-up for most of his college career.
I’d expect him to be behind the guys who started for three or four years in college and came in to the NFL as starters. He’s not.
I’d expect to find that the guys who were taken first in the NFL Draft would be better than he is. They’re not.
His numbers are comparable to or better than all of the best options we could’ve taken in the NFL draft over the years he’s been in Kansas City. You can try to rationalize that away any way you’d like, but there it is.
I agree with JacinB
Cassel hasn’t been the worst option available, either on the roster or through the draft, since he came to KC.
in Fact, he was probably the best available option for KC given the circumstances.
Now, going forward, if a clearly-better option presents itself, I think the team should take it…
So its come to this....he's not the worst option
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
If we have to take "one step back to take 10 steps forward", I'm all for it.
Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.
by craig in calgary on Nov 15, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions
A better comparison is Cassel and Rodgers.
Both sat behind great quarterbacks for years until they had their shot. Which one had the natural talent to go along with the dedication and preparation is painfully obvious. It’s way past time to see what someone else can do. If Palko sucks, we are no farther behind than we were. And at the very least, Stanzi will now get a lot more reps in prcatice than he has been getting.
Ancora imparo.
It's time to find out
I’m not real thrilled about falco runnin things, and for all we know stanzi could get the nod(you’d figure they would split 1rst teams reps), that depth chart means nothing. Past tired defending all this, it’s gotta be shaken up. The injuries to our 3 were devastating, but it’s week fuckin 10. We’ve had an entire season to adjust. And we run the same 10 plays on offense and our defense us allergic to the QB. Put in this young blood, re-energize this team and end out on a positive note and a bad ass team to look forward to next year.
by KCinIL on Nov 15, 2011 3:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
So... if Palko puts up similar numbers as Cassel has THIS season (we're looking forward, not trying to include a season in NE, to give people false-hope)
Then will all the Cassel supporters finally admit Cassel’s not good enough to be a starter for the Chiefs?
by Chiefs_KC on Nov 15, 2011 3:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Now that's a common sense argument
It should be interesting to see what happens.
Either way we’re gonna have a lot of “I told you so” posts…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
For what it's worth, Palko's number in pre-season this year were similar to Cassel's, which are also close to Cassel's regular-season numbers
I think cough Palko will be as good as Cassel, and I think the team will actually score more than their average 15.8 points per game with Palko instead of Cassel.
Statistics, words and passionate defenders
This is all Cassl has going for him. He doesn’t look good on the field and at times you begin to wonder what anyone saw in him in the first place. Cassel has all the skills necessary to be a good QB in the league, but it shows only in spurts. He looks horrible at times and even those rookies you speak of are doing many things Cassel has just not consistently done.
Don’t know what the other two will do, but if one of them can put-up 20 points, that will be more than the team has scored in two weeks. Points scored and wins and losses are the two most important stats there are.
My 2 cents
Hello APers,
Let me start by saying that I’ve been a HUGE Matt Cassel supporter in the past. I’ve been making many of the same arguments JacinB has in the past as well.
I’ve now changed my tune.
Cassel is a below average QB who is not improving. In his 2.5 years as the starting QB for the Chiefs his completion percentage is 57.2% and his YPA is 6.4.
Tarvaris Jackson’s career numbers are 59.3% and 6.7 YPA.
Is that the kind of company we want our starting QB in?
Also, if you look at Cassel’s first 9 games as the Chiefs starting QB with the likes of Mike Goff, Ryan O’Callaghan and Rudy Niswanger on his OL and Bobby Wade as his #2 WR his numbers were as follows:
55.0%, 6.0 YPA, 191.1 YPG, 12 TDs, 6 INTs
Now look at his 9 games this season (hopefully his last) with what is actually (believe it or not) a better OL and a trio of good WRs:
59.5%, 6.4 YPA, 190.3 YPG, 10 TDs, 9 INTs
Is that improvement? 2.5 years experience, better offensive weapons (remember he was rolling with LJ at RB and Sean Ryan at TE) and all we get is that? He actually has less TDs and more INTs and a completion percentage and YPA that still puts him in the company of the Tarvaris Jackson and Matt Moore’s of the NFL.
I know the stats of young QBs aren’t great, but Matt Cassel isn’t good enough to lead us to a Super Bowl so we need to start the process of trying to find someone that is. Even if it isn’t a sure thing that the person we go to will be better then Cassel. We can’t settle for below average.
Arrowhead Addict Staff Writer and avid Kool Aid drinker.
by KCporkchop on Nov 15, 2011 4:19 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
Also, if you look at Cassel’s first 9 games as the Chiefs starting QB with the likes of Mike Goff, Ryan O’Callaghan and Rudy Niswanger on his OL and Bobby Wade as his #2 WR his numbers were as follows:
55.0%, 6.0 YPA, 191.1 YPG, 12 TDs, 6 INTs
Now look at his 9 games this season (hopefully his last) with what is actually (believe it or not) a better OL and a trio of good WRs:
59.5%, 6.4 YPA, 190.3 YPG, 10 TDs, 9 INTs
YIKES!
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Jackson>Cassel.......ugh, that makes it official, when's the NBA lockout over...
P.S.-I friggin’ hate NBA basketball
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I rec'd before you even talked
Good to see you.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I've directly posted these exact same arguements to JacinB...
and they went ignored. Much like they will here…
rec’d
Go Chiefs!!!!
The tide is turning
AP is finally coming to terms with it
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Nov 16, 2011 3:08 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks Porkchop!
Rec’d and, like MN, enjoyed seeing you post here too.
Much like you, I’m ready to move on from Cassel. Love the man, appreciate his work ethic and heart, just doubt that he’ll ever be more than what he has been for the Chiefs.
Watching him in the last two games has sealed it for me. We’ve always known that he struggles with the blitz — yet, no game-planning or preparation has been able to fix this. I know we can improve our OL, but that still doesn’t solve Cassel’s problem with blitzes. Time to wish him luck and move on.
Cassel wasn't even a starter in college
What make people think he could start in the NFL
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions
oops makes that is
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions
Palko is only 6'1. He better beware of tipped-passes.
Not that I expect him to throw a lot.. the Chiefs would be crazy if they didn’t try running a lot.
It is what it is
Looking at the overall numbers is fine and well
Then one looks at the people we were playing and the way Cassel was getting those TD’s.
How many times did he piggyback JC and the running game to the 5 yard line just to get the TD to Bowe as Bowe put a defender in a clown suit? 7? 8?
Looking at the overall numbers also ignores the fact that he’s gotten worse, not better. Not a good sign if you’re trying to argue that he’s developing.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Nov 15, 2011 6:24 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
THIS ^ - Read this and my post to understand why these statistics are not an accurate gauge of who is the better Quarterback.
Cassel has less attempts but MANY MORE TOUCHDOWNS. This means that the Chiefs prefer to throw the ball around the goal line, when many of the other QBs teams you mentioned prefer to run the ball around the goal line (Rams Falcons Jets all prefer to run for TDs and only pass if they must historically).
This means that the statistics you posted that made it look like Cassel “won” the stat battle are skewed and don’t really tell the true story. I agree he (Cassel) is not a lot different than some of these QBs, but these other QBs ALL have more physical talent and more potential (based on the NFL combine as well as statistics).
I wonder if there has ever been another QB besides Cassel to have his team dead last in passing in the Conference and make the probowl?
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Its science stupid!!!!
Using a longitudinal study like this is going to be a better predictor of the future, than a correlational study… Corelationship does not equal causation!
rec’d for good science!
Go Chiefs!!!!
Ironic.
It’s funny how someone can argue we need to give Cassel a chance and that he isn’t being judged fairly but turn around and say other QB’s suck and are horrible without even seeing them start 1 game.
At the end of the day Cassel isn't an elite QB
and that is what it takes to win Championships in today’s NFL.
Or at the very least go all Eli and catch lightning in a bottle.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Nov 15, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions
Sorry, but I don't think he is even an average QB.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Matt Cassel is not now, nor was he EVER ment to be the QBOTF.
What Matt Cassel was meant to be was a ‘serviceable’ QB while the team drafted / built a team up around him. He has done as good a job as any we could have drafted or obtained in FA since he arrived in KC.
Let’s face it, the Chiefs were a 2-14 team when Cassel rolled into town, the team had more holes in it then Swiss cheese for goodness sakes. The O-Line was complete dog sh!t, our WR sucked donkey balls (even Bowe was playing like an a$$hat until Haley benched him), our RB (Larry 2.7 Johnson) was a joke….but we should have drafted a QBOFT in the first that year so he could what…..get his a$$ handed to him for the next 3-4 year? That is BRILLIANT.
This team was not, and IS NOT, ready for a good QB. To get one (then OR now) is an exercise in futility. The QB is the last piece of the puzzle, not the first….just ask David Carr if you don’t believe me.
For the love of Arrowhead, get off Cassel’s nutz already, and get off Pioli / Haley’s nutz while you are at it. This team is LIGHT YEARS better than it was 2.5 season ago and getting better….if you can’t see that you are flippin blind (IMO).
by DivineGrace on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Both are going to be good / great QB's (IMO) and we 'could' have had Dalton too...
…at the cost of Baldwin.
I still think Stanzi will be better then both of these guys and we DIDN’T have to waste a 1st or even 2nd round pick on Stanzi.
by DivineGrace on Nov 16, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Here's more numbers for your comparison...
Matt Ryan has had a total of 3 300+ yard games this year.
Matt Casse on the other hand has had 0.
Matt Ryan has had 3 games that he had finished with less than 150 yards passing over the past 4 years.
Matt Cassel has had 3 games THIS YEAR that he has finished with less than 150 yards passing. He has also had a total of 10 games over the same stretch as Matt Ryan with less than 150 yards passing.
While Matt Ryan has been obviously progressing… Matt Cassel has regressed this year.
Go Chiefs!!!!
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