The Matt Cassel Injury And Five Things To Remember
The Kansas City Chiefs lost QB Matt Cassel on Sunday to some sort of hand injury that's expected to keep him out of at least Monday night's game against the New England Patriots and possibly longer, maybe the entire season.
This situation brings up a million things to talk about, questions to ask and concerns about how the Chiefs will handle it. I'm talking about all those things here -- Cassel's recovery timetable, the Ricky Stanzi factor, veteran backup quarterbacks, changing the offense and competitive advantages.
No one knows when, or if, Cassel will be back. Maybe the Chiefs know and they're not saying but we certainly don't know. That's because we don't know exactly what's wrong with him. The Chiefs were a little chattier than usual about injuries on Monday given the circumstances but that doesn't mean they gave us Cassel's x-rays or the doctor's medical report. We don't know exactly what's wrong with him, what kind of surgery he's having or what the recovery process is. Until we know exactly what's wrong, it's hard to guess when he'll be back.
Ricky Stanzi doesn't factor in right now. Yesterday NFL Network's Albert Breer tweeted something about liking Stanzi coming out and a few minutes later, after the flood of responses from his 50,000-plus followers, tweeted again, "Wow. Didn't realize Stanzi had this kinda following in KC." Lots of people like Stanzi and, if the season is done, would prefer to see the rookie rather than the 28-year old Palko. From best I can tell, the Stanzi hype dates back to ESPN's Mel Kiper talking about him in the draft (calling him a hidden gem a la Tom Brady). Really, though, he's a fifth round pick and hasn't been active all year. Kent Babb of the KC Star has been reporting throughout the year that Stanzi isn't a candidate to play this year (barring injury to others, of course) so, for now, Stanzi is not the guy.
The veteran backup quarterback debate rears it's head again. Remember back in training camp when the Chiefs decided against bringing in a veteran backup quarterback? That was definitely a topic we debated. That the Chiefs had such inexperience behind Cassel wasn't something that sneaked by us. My argument back then was to bring in a veteran (lookin' at you, Marc Bulger or Todd Collins) because past history has shown us that Cassel is going to miss a game or two. Now we'll be seeing that argument again, that GM Scott Pioli and Todd Haley weren't prepared for what hit them (this is assuming Palko struggles which...maybe he doesn't). There were opportunities to bring a veteran guy in and they didn't. If Palko flops, that's on Pioli and Co. for failing to act on that position in training camp.
Changes to the Chiefs offense. Palko said this week that he knows the entire offense, everything is available to him and Haley says he has confidence in Palko to run the offense. That said, I still think we see a lot of things change offensively for Palko. I see a lot of high percentage, low risk passes -- sorta like Cassel, actually -- and trying to avoid turnovers. I'd say things get even more conservative on the offense, we see more Jackie Battle in the backfield and more Dexter McCluster in the flat.
A word about competitive advantages. Palko talked to the media on Monday and said he had a pretty good idea talking to Cassel on Sunday after the game that Cassel wouldn't be ready to play next week. That's interesting because Cassel spoke to the media after the game and again on 810 WHB Monday morning and didn't give any idea that there was a long-term issue with his hand.
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Considering how cloak and dagger things are nowaday's at Arrowhead, I'd say Cassel's done for the year..
Also,
more Dexter McCluster in the flat
Yaaaaay?
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
This is how he should be used. We don't want to see more Dexter runs up the middle.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Fixed
We don’t want to see more Dexter.
Seriously though, I look forward to more Dexter “I make football games 15 minutes longer due to my inevitable once a game fumble challenge” McCluster.
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
by severn58 on Nov 15, 2011 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Dexter has been getting to many touches
He’s been getting around 10-15 touches a game and he hasn’t shown he can be productive enough to get those. Maybe part of it is they are using him wrong (runs up the middle, ugh.). I liked him better as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot. Seems like they aren’t running him up the middle as much but I don’t think he should ever have more than 10 touches (not including special teams) in a game.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Been saying it all damn year....
Give Vinny a call
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I don't see a change in the Chiefs offense at all. Hopefully Palko can throw a little deeper. He can't be less accurate. Cassel already seems to choose the "safe" options too much.
What’s going to change? I think this can’t get worse.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
^this
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Nov 15, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
At this point in the season, why would we WANT a veteran backup?
If the team were 6-3 now it would be a different story, but we aren’t making the playoffs no matter who is out there. Just stick with the unproven guys & see how it plays out. As every Chiefs fan knows, there’s always next year….
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
by jmcgoblue on Nov 15, 2011 7:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The thing is we're only 1 game out of 1st... we do have a tough stretch but the rest of the AFC west also does. But you're right, we wouldn't' do anything in the playoffs anyways.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Pioli should be on the phone....
right now apologizing to and begging Brodie Croyle to come back. Brodie has experience and knows the playbook. It was stupid to cut him in the first place, but don’t look for Pioli to admit to any mistakes… to much ego. I look for Cassel to be back as soon as he possibly can, even if Palko is doing great.
I am here to answer those who mock me scorn for scorn.
It was stupid to cut him in the first place, but don’t look for Pioli to admit to any mistakes… to much ego.
You realize Croyle wasn’t cut, right?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
He just wasn't re-signed.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Croyle wanted the stapler to keep his various limbs from falling off
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
The only thing Brodie can do
is hold a clipboard
by bigtimetimmyjams on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Palko does that well too........................
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride! AKA The Picture Diva!
Hilarious.
It’s bad enough that we’ll be doing good to end the season 6-10. Can we please stop praying for 4-12? Because that’s exactly what Brodie Croyle would get you.
by NotAGoodName on Nov 15, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
If that
He’s still 0-10 as a starter
by joplin chiefs fan on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Right, but KC already has the four wins
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Not good enough to crack a CFL or UFL roster
He’s terrible in the preseason against 3rd string scrubs, but no, let’s let a 28 year old lefty start on monday night freaking football. Good idea.
Yep that's right. Our starting QB wears a hairband.
by craig in calgary on Nov 15, 2011 8:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Why save the humiliation for a select few TV markets
when you can do it in front of a global audience?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
love the sig line.
So… you’re saying… Stanzi? Dexter in the wildcat? Colquitt out of the DEEP shotgun? I have a feeling we’ll be seeing plenty of that anyway.
Palko’s just gunning for that hair accessory endorsement. “The official hariband of the NFL.” It’s a underserved market for sure.
Wheres my boy Casey Printers?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Hell of a job, rec!
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
y'know what though
I actually think Palko might outplay Cassel (not that it would be hard to do). He’s more likely to turn the ball over, but he’s also more likely to make positive plays with his feet.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I like the 1st thing to remember, I'm hoping you meant ever and not just this season
No one knows when, or if, Cassel will be back.
Im pretty sure Haley said the same thing about Brody Croyle last year
Before the chargers game last year. We all know how that turned out.
Run D is the key this year.
by cwebb44 on Nov 15, 2011 8:35 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I have more confidence in Croyle than Palko.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Welcome back to the NFL, Mr Palko.
Don’t be timid of all the limelights of primetime Monday Night Football, the cross-country trip, Gillette Stadium’s fans, or the opposing defense coming off a 5 sack game against one of the better O-Lines in the game.
Jets had success running the ball against the Pats despite the many holes in NE’s secondary. It’ll be interesting to see the Chiefs gameplan, and as I’ve said before, it’s hugely disappointing that Cassel won’t be returning to New England. He’s still well liked around here.
It is what it is
After Miami and denver
The seasons over. So at this point it’s just worth looking at what we got in …. Palko… Then finally check out stanzi . I can’t imagine stanzi not being able to be at the least decent
by chiefsman! on Nov 15, 2011 8:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Keep in mind,
with plenty of games left to go AFC West is still wide-open. Season isn’t over until it’s over.
It is what it is
Also keep in mind
that it is wide-open the other direction. This team could easily lose everything left on the schedule.
I just wanna know what up with cassel.
Hopefully we hear something in the next few days
by chiefsman! on Nov 15, 2011 8:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Stanzi in by mid 3rd QTR- calling it
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
- Ricky Stanzi to the rescue!
by Mas Cervezas on Nov 15, 2011 8:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Why is Stanzi not an option at QB?
I just don’t get why Stanzi is not an option for the Chiefs. I hoenstly think he is a way better option the Tyler Palko. I guess I just watched him play a lot in college and loved his competitive fire and like Mel said, I think he could be a gem like Brady.
I guess I don’t see how Palko is better than Stanzi.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Indeed why not?
If you really think you found a gem or believe that this guy is the future of the Franchise then why not give him the opportunity? Why do you make him inactive for any game when he can be learning something on the sideline if indeed you see potential?
Short offseason, very little 1st team practice for the entire team, plus the line sucking, the defense not helping, poor field position, plus he's a guy who you think needs some more work.
I’d say those are some really good reasons.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Andy Dalton knew he was going to start from the day he was drafted. Stanzi wasn’t sure if he was going to be back-up or third string. There is a huge difference in the amount of time devoted to a rookie QB who is starting and a rookie QB who is inactive.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Very true
But we’re also looking at months later, with much more time on the team.
So it (in theory) COULD even out a little.
But yeah, it’s tough to substitute for actual practice time with the first team.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I doubt he’s even getting practice time with the second string.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Probably
I’d still like to see him fast tracked. Not because I think he’ll be great, but just becaues Palko’s 28 and (very, very, very likely) not good.
At least with Stanzi there’s that chance of lightening in a bottle. And then if it’s not there, we know and can move on via the draft…
My greatest fear is that Palko sucks, they never try out Stanzi, then pick up Cassel’s option for next year while not going QB in the draft.
I’m frightened at how likely I see this scenario.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I think the Cassel experiment is finished. I don’t see any way they can justify bringing him back.
Stanzi should’ve been the number 2 all along, but now that he hasn’t I’d like to see him mix it up with Palko and make an appearance after the Steelers game.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I like Stanzi
simply because he is an unknown commodity. We know what we have in Palko; a steaming pile of “meh”.
Stanzi could be good, could be bad. Best part is the unknown. It’s like Christmas come early!
I agree
I want Stanzi to play badly. :-(
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
I know we aren't allowed to wish injuries on players
so can I wish pneumonia on Tyler?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
lol
Well I wished one on Cassel… it worked.
Should I dare try again?
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Well that's rude.
I want Stanzi to play well.
@Wishing he would play badly just doesn’t help anything. @
We Don't Hear The Hate
palko or stanzi
with all the injuries with players lost for the year. looking at our remaining games against tough teams. let the preseason start now for next year. give both palko and stanzi a shot at playing to see what we got in them. bring some of our draft picks off the bench and play them too. lets see what we have and start preparing for the draft on what we need.
Pioli is not a frickin Genius..
More than time to start rippin this guy bad. Tens of millions under the cap and he could not fill the obvious holes in our roster that have been exposed now. He has not created any competition at key positions so many of our guys are relaxed. Of everyone in this organization he has underperformed the most.
by Sloehandman on Nov 15, 2011 8:50 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Its a process
A long, drawn out process
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
It's not a drawn out process.
If you have the resources and good players are available then it’s a drawn out process. Three years and plenty of funds to do it with…Nope. We should be a lot closer.
Sarcasm isn't your forte?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I'm just pissed.
To me this is starting to stink of “Money Saving”.
You and me both, rasta
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Think of this scary thought
We are well below the salary cap now.. If we trade cassel for peanuts think of how much money we will have that we won’t spend….
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
- Ricky Stanzi to the rescue!
by Mas Cervezas on Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Substance over sizzle
And could anyone have less sizzle than Tyler Palko?
www.arrowheadaddict.com
by Patrick Allen on Nov 15, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Ryan Leaf
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
- Ricky Stanzi to the rescue!
by Mas Cervezas on Nov 15, 2011 10:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I understand people's frustrations with spending money
But look at the Free Agents that have been available since Pioli took over. Now, think about how badly those top tier Free Agents wanted to come play for the 2-14 Kansas City Chiefs. When you are as bad as we were, you build the team from the draft, then start attracting top free agents.
Except on JC
And DJ. And Hali. And Flowers. And Breaston.
But yeah, besides those guys in the last year…
I get the frustration, but given the fact that we’ve signed 3 big contracts and 2 huge contracts in less than a year, I don’t get this “we’re not spending money” argument…
Now, if nothing else is done over the next 6 months (like Bowe, Carr, etc.) then I may be back on board with that argument (where I was originally, before all those signings).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
We have no depth
A few B-list free agents keep guys like Sabby off the field. We also should have never let Waters or Smith walk.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I base that opinion solely on the $30 mil +
that Pioli has been sitting on like a nesting hen for each of the past three off-seasons.
Newsflash, Scott: it ain’t hatching.
I just hope the cap room is there to give bowe & carr very front loaded contract extensions
IF that is what the plan is, then it’s a smart strategy…pay those guys upfront so there’s a lot of room next year to improve the roster.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Well once we get Casshole's $5M+ off the books....
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
That'll help
When we trade for Manning after IND drafts Luck.
That’s right, I’m fully indulging in this pipe dream now…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Might as well
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Here's hoping we conjure up some semblance of an OL
so he doesn’t break his neck in his first game in KC.
You think that Pioli just tells guys, "hey come play here"
He tries. Players have to WANT to come here. it’s a 2 way street. This isn’t Madden.
by RamX21 on Nov 15, 2011 9:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Then make it rain
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I think he has to at least approach them
I’m not sure how quickly he gets on these guys. I’m afraid he plays the “wait and see who offers what” approach and it bites him in the ass. You want em? Get em!
And yes, before you argue, I understand the two-way street thing. If we showed quick interest in these guys, maybe they would reciprocate.
He tried to get that T from Washington
He decided to go back to the skins. He obviously knows we have a problem at T so we signed the best available one in Gaither.
I'm sure that is true
I just see way too many times where KC sits and waits, and waits, and waits, then makes a half-assed offer and “Weird. They didn’t want to come in?”
Bullshit.
I ain’t drinkin that stuff he’s passin out anymore.
We may get to see Stanzi play this season
It all depends on Palko’s performance.
It's not like there is a playoff spot hanging in the balance.
Palko actually showed a lot of improvment through the pre season. He looked sharp to close out the Denver game. I don’t mind seeing his quicker feet and better ability to avoid a rush put to use. If and when there is an opportunity I think we may see Stanzi. It would be a good time to give him some snaps under fire. I see plenty of opportunity for both Palko and Stanzi as we close out this season.
Go Chiefs in 2012.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
If Cassel is done for the year.
We won’t see Stanzi till the last quarter of the season. Unless Palko is that terrible, but then again Haley stayed with 2.7 until he released him even though his play was terrible.
by RamX21 on Nov 15, 2011 9:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I wasn't aware our offense could get more conservative.
Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens...
It's all an illustion
KC is going to open up the playbook even more now that Cassel is out. Haley didn’t want to play Cassel, but he’s Pioli’s guy. So he was forced too. Now that he is injured, Haley will open up the playbook for Palko. Look for Palko to throw 200 yards and at least 1 TD.
wouldn't be surprised
and wouldn’t be surprised if we won either

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