Next HC?
by onthereg on Nov 14, 2011 4:58 PM CST
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PrintI give Haley about 5% chance of being our HC next year so here is my list feel free to add to it i have just read online about potential HCs and would like to read others opinions on who it could be.
NOTE : I am not even going to list Cowher and Gruden as I dont think either will coach next year BUT i would take either one of them over anyone.
1. Jeff Fisher - not only do we need a moustache running the franchise I think he is a great HC that has experience as a HC and won't have to learn on the job. Plus he is a Defensive coach and assuming we hire a new coach i doubt Romeo stays on so I think to offset that HUGE loss we will need a defensive HC.
2. Jay Gruden - Bengels OC. Lets hope Pioli gives up on Cassel and we finally draft a high first round QB and who better to develop him than a Gruden. What he has done with Dalton has been amazing. Not sure who deserves all the credit but its hard to argue with a first year coordinator and a first year QB playing as well as they are with a shortened offseason. He is doing MUCH more with less than the brain trust in KC.
3. Romeo Crennel - again head coaching experience and a defensive coach. I really like how he handles himself and the players and honestly he has done a GREAT job with what talent he has been given the past 2 years.
4. Perrey Fewell - Giants DC. Took over as interim HC in Buffalo for a few games but did a nice job with the Bills and Giants defense.
5. Gregg Williams - Saints DC. Former HC and local guy would be an interesting choice as I really like how much he likes to bring pressure on defense.
6. Todd Bowles - Assistant HC Dolphins and secondary coach. Worked for Parcells in Dallas and Miami and has interviewed for other HC jobs (Dallas) so he makes sense.
7. Eric Mangini - dont shoot the messenger just bringing him up as he has HC experience as well as experience with Pioli and Romeo.
Open for discussion just bringing up names.
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Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Nov 14, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Fourthed
And doesn’t that now turn him green?
Huzzah! Fantasy football has returned, allowing me to slap my opponents (family members) across the face with my favorite pair of white satin gloves. En garde, monkeys!
by The Gentry on Nov 14, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Need to rec him for that
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 14, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Fifthed.
And I also second every one of these comments.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Nov 14, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
6thifit
MC injury might help his chances staying
by chiefnation on Nov 14, 2011 7:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I hate this "fire Haley" bug that's going around.
Isn’t he just coming off of a playoff year? With a team that had finished with 3 straight 10+ loss seasons?
Oh, and that nightmare schedule we had this year…anybody else notice it got WORSE than we thought with the Bills, Lions, and raiders (cringe) all getting better?
Haley should keep his job for the following reasons:
1. Playoffs in 2011
2. Fat Camp in 2010
3. Saving the careers of Derrick Johnson and Dwayne Bowe
4. Finding Jamaal Charles for us (remember it was Haley who sent Lost Job 2.7 packing)
5. Bringing in quality position coaches.
6. Changing the leadership on this team. Not just with FA acquisitions, but also from the players already in town.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Ok, let's say we win 6 games
What would you rather?
a) Todd Haley, lame duck coach in 2012? If the season goes to shit, we might actaully see a 82 yard field goal attempt
b) Todd Haley, contract extention? Did he do enough to warrant one? Not really.
I’m still conficted, I really want Haley to be “the guy”
Tebow > Cassel
by craig in calgary on Nov 14, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Why would Haley be a lame duck in 2012?
If we’re healthy, and we make the playoffs again, why would he be fired?
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Nov 14, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
Last year of a contract.
Coaches very seldomly coach on the last year, they are either re-signed or fired.
Tebow > Cassel
by craig in calgary on Nov 14, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Unless you coach in Miami.
Then they actively recruit new coaches and when that doesn’t work out they keep you.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
by saskwatch on Nov 14, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Miami Is A Bit Different
I’d lay money that Stephen Ross ends up being a worse owner than Dan Snyder.
6 games without our best players on both offense and defense.
As well as 2 players who were supposed to play key roles. And now without our starting QB. All this against a schedule with games against a possible 9 playoff teams (counting raiders twice).
Yeah, that should buy Todd Haley at least another year.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Reasons Haley should lose his job:
1. Can’t keep an Offensive Coordinator- 4 Coordinators in 3 years
2. Failure to develop Matt Cassel, even tho he’s an offensive guru
3. Failure to beat good teams. 4-17 against .500 or better teams, 0-9 against 10 win or better teams.
4. Failure to stand closer to his razor*
5. Overall failure to induce confidence and pride in his team to put forth a competitive effort week in and week out. (see DET, BUF, MIA, DEN)
6. Failure to put a competitive offense on the field. Even though he’s an offensive guru.
2009 YPG- 25th, PPG- 23rd
2010 YPG- 12th, PPG- 14th
2011 YPG- 28th, PPG- 27th
Bottom of the league in his third season after he’s had 3 offseasons to put in to place HIS choice in players, personnel, scheme, and coaches. PATHETIC.
*Obviously a little tongue in cheek here.
Either Haley needs to lose his job or Pioli does for giving him crap to work with. Either way somebody needs to get fired after this year. And since Pioli aint gonna fire himself, he’ll use Haley as the scapegoat, if it is in fact Pioli’s fault, and he’ll bring in a new coach since most owners usually give a GM 2 coaching hires before they can the GM.
I think Haley is gone, and I think Pioli will probably bring in a defensive coach that comes from his daddy’s coaching tree (Parcells). Who that will be, hell who knows? But unless Pioli starts learning to assess talent it wont really matter.
Cassel should have never been brought in here, he should have been seen for the backup he really is. All this money they’ve been saving the last few years could have been used to bring in a few more lineman that we’ve needed. The only thing they did to address the lines in this offseason were to bring in a washed up, banged up tackle from Baltimore, a decent a best NT from Baltimore and draft a backup Guard. I certainly wouldn’t say that’s addressing a major weakness.
Everyone will tell you it all starts with the lines. If the QB has more time to throw and the receivers have more time to run routes, your gonna move the ball more. If the RB has more lanes, that equals bigger runs. If the CB’s only have to cover for 2-3 seconds and not 4-5 seconds because the D-Line is getting to the opposing QB, everyone looks better. It all starts with the lines. But Pioli has failed to address these issues and that’s why we look so bad. Cassel looked decent in 08 because he was behind a stellar NE offensive line.
Sorry this got so wordy, but i’m venting, those are my thoughts, pick em apart as i’m sure you will.
by Lil'Sparky on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not sure there is much to pick apart
Haley has been a sub-par HC.
by rich04 on Nov 14, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The biggest problem I have with Haley is the wildly inconsistent play of the team.
He’s said very clearly he doesn’t want any “yo yo guys” that are up one day and down the next. He preaches that players need to be consistent in their preparation, that they “be the same guy every day.” And yet his team is a yo yo team that is up one week and down the next.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Exactly.
The Chiefs are the very definition of a yo yo team.
"Sweet, Chiefs just traded for Matt Cassel! This is the move that is gonna make us perpetual SB favourites!!!!" – March 1, 2009, craig in calgary
Because Haley inherited a Super Bowl caliber team that should have won 10 championships in the past 3 years.
Have you forgotten how TERRIBLE this team was when he came to town? We didn’t even have starting caliber players at most positions. Hell, the team was collectively FAT and LAZY.
Meanwhile, he’s had to work with a young team with limited time to condition and practice in 2 of his first 3 years.
And failed to address the issues?
QB: Matt Cassel and Ricky Stanzi
RB: Jamaal Charles, Thomas Jones, and Dexter McCluster (ditched Larry Johnson)
FB: La’Ron McClain and Shane Bannon
OL: Jon Asamoah, Casey Wiegmann, Rodney Hudson, Ryan Lilja, Jared Gaither
WR: Steve Breaston, Jon Baldwin, Kerry Colbert (saved Dwayne Bowe’s career)
TE: Tony Moeaki
DL: Kelly Gregg, Tyson Jackson, Ammon Gordon, Jerrell Powe, Allen Bailey, Gabe Miller, Brandon Bair
ILB: Brandon Siler, Demorrio Williams, Jovan Belcher (saved Derrick Johnson’s career)
OLB: Justin Houston, Cam Sheffield, Andy Studebaker, Mike Vrabel
S: Kendrick Lewis, Eric Berry, Rashard Langford, Donald Washington, Sabby Piscitelli
CB: Javier Arenas, Jalil Brown
They have made moves to address every position on the field. In most cases, it worked out. When healthy, we have a starting caliber player at almost every position on the field. That’s a hell of an improvement from the Herm Edwards era.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
I can’t think of a single area were we are worse now than when Haley and Pioli took over. Either by Pioli getting better players, or Haley developing those we already had, we are a better team today, even with the injuries, than we were in 2008. Without the injuries it wouldn’t even be close.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Nov 14, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I Don't Thnk It Will Matter
Haley is a lame duck coach next year and most teams decide whether or not to extend a coach the year before his lame duck season. With Cassel looking to be out for the season, it’s unlikely the Chiefs will make the playoffs. He wasn’t good, but Palko and Stanzi are likely much worse.
I will admit, I’m actually a bit torn on whether Haley “deserves” to be fired. I tend to agree that he hasn’t been given tons to work with…Pioli is a mediocre judge of talent in my opinion. And the players do seem to respect him more over the last couple of years and seem to play hard. He’s made his mistakes, but he’s certainly not the worst coach ever for the Chiefs. But the fact is that he also hasn’t done enough to merit an extension…his record is terrible against good teams and last year was largely a product of the schedule. And the other fact is that Pioli is Haley’s boss and given a choice between firing Haley and firing himself for not giving Haley enough talent to work with…well, we can all guess how that will turn out.
I think Haley is gone after this season if the Chiefs don’t at least go .500. It may be unfair, but that’s just how the NFL.
Haley isn't in a bad spot because of Pioli.
He’s in a bad spot because of the team that was left to him. We desperately needed talent almost everywhere, and Pioli has largely succeeded in making sure every starter is of starting quality. However, he hasn’t had enough time to build the depth, so when the starters go down we don’t have a lot left to work with.
I don’t think Pioli will fire Haley. He knows, or should know, that after losing Berry and Charles this was going to be a bad year. Haley will get one more year, and if the team underperforms next year then he’ll be gone. But it’s not like we’ve been good for years and Haley can’t do anything with it. He’s only had one year of a team that had enough healthy talent to compete, and that year he took us to the playoffs.
In other words, let’s see what Haley can do with a healthy, talented team, which we should have next year. This year tells us nothing.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tough To Build Depth
When you’re basically only going after scraps in free agency. Breaston is probably the best FA we’ve brought in under Pioli, and that’s largely because nobody else wanted to pay him after his last season and knee problems. Ryan Lilja has been okay, but just okay…on a bad line. The rest have been guys that nobody else wanted, for good reason.
McClain and Gregg were good pickups.
You really can’t complain about Jones and Vrabel either. They filled their purposes. Wiegmann has been a starter for us.
Siler and Gaither might work out for us too. And Colbert has been a decent addition to round out our WR corps.
We could have gone after the high dollar Free Agents, but a lot of times, they don’t work out well. New England has found that out the hard way…ever since Pioli left town.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Gregg Is An Old Declining Nose Tackle Nobody Else Was Going To Pay
And have you seen how poorly our d-line is playing? Don’t tell me he was some kind of FA master stroke. He’s filler. McClain isn’t anything special. Weigmann is okay, but he came here more because he likes KC and the o-line isn’t good even with him. Gaither can’t even get consistent time in the lineup. Vrabel was thrown-in on the Cassel trade because the Patriots had to cut cap space. The primary reason people say Siler “might” do something is because he’s done nothing…and it isn’t like the Chargers weren’t looking for good linebackers when they had him.
None of those moves was anything other than sorting through the trash heap.
by UCrawford on Nov 14, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, And Jones
He’s a declining running back and everyone realized it after he fell apart in the stretch for the Jets. He’s been a decent role player, but the only reason he came to KC is that nobody else was going to make him a starter…for good reason.
Not even close to agreeing with you.
1. Gregg has done his job well enough for Derrick Johnson to post insane numbers. That’s what a space eating NT does. He allows the ILBs to make plays.
2. McClain has done a great job opening running lanes for Jackie Battle (who is not as good as his numbers say).
3. Whether Wiegmann wanted to come back or not doesn’t matter if the coach and GM say no.
4. Gaither is still recovering from back surgery. That’s why I said he might still work out well for us.
5. Vrabel filled his role. He was a leader for the locker room. That was something we didn’t have until he got there.
6. Siler was a casualty of the huge contracts the Chargers had to dish out elsewhere. The reason people say he “might” do something is because he did something in San Diego.
But please enlighten me as to who the Chiefs should have gotten instead.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Disagreements
1. And the defense still isn’t good.
2. Battle isn’t anything special so this isn’t a ringing endorsement of McClain. Most fullbacks can open enough holes for a RB to get 50-60 yards a game.
3. This is not an argument for Weigmann being particularly good. Thus, it is not an argument for Weigmann being a good FA pickup. And let’s not forget that Pioli passed up on a good center his first year in Jason Brown.
4. And Len Dawson might come out of retirement and lead us to a Super Bowl. But he probably won’t. That’s why it doesn’t matter what players “might” do…only what they do.
5. Vrabel wasn’t a free agent. He was a throw in on the Cassel trade because New England had to cut him. We’re talking about Pioli and free agents.
6. And the reason the Chargers didn’t make Siler one of those contracts is because they didn’t see him as anything special. And so far he’s played like he’s nothing special.
So
1. Kelly Gregg is now the source of all our problems? Him doing his job while others don’t…that’s why he sucks in your book. I guess you want Edwards back?
2. Battle has done absolutely nothing in KC until he suddenly had McClain blocking for him. I guess we should have just kept Tim Castille huh?
3. Pioli got us a C. We didn’t have one. I guess you want Niswanger back?
4.You want to judge a guy before he’s had a chance. So why don’t we just go ahead and cut Bailey, Bair, Stanzi, and Brown. What have they done?
5. Vrabel was still an acquistion…but since you only want to count certain people.
6. The Chargers DID try and get Siler back on the roster. He has played well enough to be a starting caliber player for the Chargers. He didn’t do anything for us because he’s been injured.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Rebuttals
1. Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said that and I don’t believe that. He certainly isn’t the source of all of our problems…or even most of them. But he’s a stopgap at best.
2. Battle hasn’t played much before this season. That’s why he hasn’t done much. He’s had better running backs ahead of him. And next year he won’t be playing much again unless we cut everyone but Jamaal Charles.
3. No, I’d rather have Jason Brown at C. I made that clear. But clearly you’re just cherry picking my remarks to troll.
4. I don’t assume that every late round QB is going to be Tom Brady. I assume most of them will be scrubs unless they prove otherwise on the field. Stanzi has done nothing on the field, he isn’t good enough to be the backup and he doesn’t even get activated every week. But if you want to live in QB Fantasyland, be my guest…have fun hanging with all the Brodie Croyle fans.
5. We were talking about free agents. Vrabel wasn’t a free agent. But if you want to quibble…it took zero skill on Pioli’s part to land him. The Pats had to cut him because of salary so they threw him in. He was decent for us, but wasn’t a star and was gone after two years. Big fucking deal.
6. Yeah, I can see how that signing was a master stroke. Well played, Mr. Pioli, well played.
1. You are the one who has laid this at the feet of Gregg. I pointed out how he has performed as expected, and you respond with “and the defense still isn’t good”. You are the one who has put the play of the whole D-line on him. Don’t backtrack now.
2. Battle has gotten playing time in the past, and has NEVER shown the ability he’s showing now. Just this offseason there were plenty of people calling for him to be moved to FB or cut altogether.
3. Well, TROLL, Jason Brown was signed on the 1st day of Free Agency. The Chiefs didn’t get a shot at him. He visited St. Louis, got the offer he wanted and stuck. That’s business.
4. No, you simply write players off before they’ve had a chance. Stanzi didn’t get an offseason to learn the team. He is being developed…really not all that uncommon for QBs. By the way, Brady was the 4th string QB his rookie year.
5. Fine you want to twist the argument, go ahead. Obviously Free Agents cannot possibly be considered with traded players and draft picks. A team can only ever have one of the three.
6. Taking advantage of another team being unable to keep talent is a good move. In fact, it’s a very common strategy in prying players away from teams.
By the way, I’m glad to find out you can’t have an argument without resorting to name calling. Good thing to know for the future.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 16, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
And If You Want A List Of Players The Chiefs Should Have Gone After In FA And The Draft
Jason Brown, Terrence Cody, B.J. Raji, Clint Boling. If they’d gone after those four, the Chiefs would have been a much better team.
I'd Also Prefer He Kept Brian Waters
But Waters was getting older and didn’t want to be here, so whatever.
Basically
His offensive and defensive lines haven’t been all that great…and he’s had opportunities to make them much better and passed.
Cody – Done nothing
Raji – Re-signed with his team.
Brown – Was signed by St Louis before we even had a chance
Boling – So you wanted him over Justin Houston. Allen Bailey, and Rodney Hudson?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Cody ''done nothing''
He is the starting NT on the number 1 defense in the league
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Now I Know You're Trolling...Or Have Your Head Up Your Ass
Raji…what the hell are you talking about?
Brown…we had the same chance to sign him that St. Louis and everyone else did. Are you honestly claiming that Pioii’s inability to make a contract offer in a timely manner is a positive? Because I would argue that actually means he sucks.
Boling…I’d take him over Bailey, but that’s a matter of preference. That’s your only non-ridiculous argument so far in this sub-thread.
Oh, Wait
Now I get what you meant about Raji.
Raji did not re-sign with his team…he’s still under his rookie contract because he was the guy the Chiefs passed on in 2009 TO DRAFT THAT WASTE OF SPACE TYSON JACKSON.
You clearly need to do more research.
This team has a lot of depth and godd backups
Unfortionatley they are the starters for this team
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
oops I meant good
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
What's all this "Saved his career" crap?
He didn’t save anyone’s career. He doesn’t go out and catch the balls, or tackle the people. Players develop and people get better.
As for Bowe, I’m sure it helped more working out with Larry Fitzgerald in the offeseason than Haley teaching him to what, work on his backswing?
Derrick Johnson’s career, if it needed saving, was probably accredited more to Crennel than Haley.
All of those draft picks and player acquisitions you speak of are works of Pioli, not Haley.
And ya it’s unfortunate that the injuries have happened, but the Packers had way more injuries last year and they didn’t complain about it, they went out and won the freaking Super Bowl.
So no i’m not gonna sit there and pretend he’s a good coach. He doesn’t exactly instill confidence in me in the way his team has been completely uncompetitive in half of the games this season. AND HE CAN’T BEAT A FREAKING SINGLE GOOD TEAM!!! In 42 games he’s never beat a good team, never, not one, nada, and it ain’t gonna happen this year. Even Tony Sparrano, who’s probably one of the worst coaches in the NFL, and will be looking for a job this offseason, won a couple big games last year. The Dolphins beat the Packers and Jets last season, the Super Bowl winners and AFC Champ losers. That’s more than Haley’s ever accomplished in his 42 games.
So don’t pee down my back and tell me it’s raining. He sucks.
Yes, SAVED their careers.
Johnson and Bowe were both coming down. They were both playing sub-par football. So Haley BENCHED them. Then guess what? That’s right, both players put in the extra effort to play to higher standards. You want to attribute their improvement to Larry Fitzgerald and Romeo Crennel? Ok, did either player seek out their respective influence prior to Haley benching them? NOPE.
And you might want to check your facts. Haley DID beat good teams. He’s 2-2 against the Chargers who have had a chokehold on this division for years. He’s beaten the Raiders this season. Oh, and how about when he beat the Steelers with our pathetic team in 2009?
And I’m going to question your understanding of how a front office works with a coaching staff. Does it really make sense to you for a GM to get players and then tell a coach to make it all work out? No, it makes sense that a coach tells a GM what he needs, and the GM goes after the players the coach wants.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Good teams?
Oh those 2 wins against the Chargers, the one last year that we won in a monsoon on the last play of the game, and the one this year that was gifted to us by a freak accidental play from Rivers, those 2 home games, against two non playoff Chargers teams? Oh and we beat a 9-7 non-playoff Steelers team in overtime at home, that’s the game you speak of? Not exactly what I’d call big wins.
The Steelers were 9-7 and missed the playoffs that year BECAUSE the Chiefs beat them.
Same can be said of the Chargers both years now. They will miss the playoffs BECAUSE the Chiefs beat them.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Never Beat A 10 Win Team
And you can make the argument that the Colts will also miss the playoffs because the Chiefs beat them…along with everyone else. The Steelers were not good that year.
The Steelers weren't good?
They were SB defending champs that would go back to the Super Bowl the following year.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
They Weren't Good When We Beat Them
We didn’t beat them during their Super Bowl season. We beat them the year they weren’t good enough to make the playoffs.
The year that they went 9-7 and missed the playoffs instead of 10-6 and did?
10-6 would have put them in the playoffs.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
So What?
They lost to us and six other teams and missed the playoffs. Ergo they were not good enough to make the playoffs.
So what?
How about we beat them, and then the next week they lose 17-20 to Baltimore in OT while Roethlisburger was out with a concussion suffered against the Chiefs?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 16, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Semantics
Neither of those are great wins, regardless. I can think of an innumerable amount of reasons he should be let go, I can only think of a couple that he should stay, therefore in my mind he needs to go.
I think you're putting too much stock into a bad season.
You set your sights too high and now you’re disappointed. Well, Haley has now lost 5 starters on this team. 2 of them could easily be called our best players on their side of the ball.
All of this on top of having no offseason to work with his team.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
The rest of the league didn't have an offseason either
so get out of here with those crap BS arguments. Jim Harbough came from the freaking college ranks and took over a joke of a team, with a QB everyone had given up on, and now they’re 8-1 and he had the same offseason as Haley. He had no knowledge of his team or the rest of the league for that matter, his team 6-10 last season and he’s already put up a better body of work in 9 games than Haley has in 42. Give me a freaking break.
Jim Harbaugh took over one of the most talented teams in the NFL.
Go back to the preseason predictions for the past 4 years. Everyone had the 49ers going. Singletary couldn’t get the job done.
And Harbaugh didn’t have to deal with injuries to Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and DaShon Goldson now did he?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
So let me get this straight?
We had no talent or depth as a 10-6 team and that’s why we’re 4-5 now, but SF was a super talented team at 6-10 but now that talents showing that they have a brand new coach and that’s why they’re 8-1. I don’t think you can have it both ways buddy.
Wow.
Our 10-6 team had a lot to do with the players who are now injured. So yes, we had no depth, unless you’re trying to tell me that you are John McGraw believer.
The 9ers were consistently considered a talented team and were the favorites to win their division. But they couldn’t do it.
We overachieved and they underachieved. That’s not a difficult concept and happens pretty regularly…buddy.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Agree to disagree
Either way, we can still be friends, cause we still root for the same team, and in the end we’re both losers because our team sucks and hasn’t sniffed a playoff win in almost 2 decades. Only difference is i’m a little more of a loser cause I don’t live in San Diego, right?
by Lil'Sparky on Nov 14, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
about the packers winning the super bowl last year
do you think the coaching staff from G.B. could have done any better with the talent that is on K.C.? Fact is, EVEN WITH all the injuries the packers has last year, they still had more talent, by far.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
and thats Pioils fault
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
He beat the Steelers
that one year in overtime. I mean if that wasn’t a good team. Oh wait, you will argue with me no matter what is said. Ok. You win.
by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
So let me get this straight?
We had no talent or depth as a 10-6 team and that’s why we’re 4-5 now, but SF was a super talented team at 6-10 but now that talents showing that they have a brand new coach and that’s why they’re 8-1. I don’t think you can have it both ways buddy.
half our starters came from the Peterson era
So there had to be some talent on this team when Pioli came in.How did Belcher save DJ’s career?If anything DJ makes Belcher look better than what he is.Charles was already here,Bowe was a beast when he came into the league.He had 86 catches over a 1000 yards with Tyler Thigpen as the QB!!Lets see,Damario Williams was here in 08,Tony Moeaki is fragile,Dex/Arenas were reaches,Studebaker was here in 08. Houston has been a non factor,Gabe Miller was a reach(now he’s hurt),Colbert has 9 catches wouldn’t say that has been impresive.Siller is hurt,Gaither was hurt when he got and can’t even beat out Richardson for a starting position. Sabby/Langford/Washington all suck hard.And last but not least Matt Cassel is 1 of the worst QB’s in the league.Yep ,I would say Pioli has done a lot for this team
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
#5 troubles me the most.
There have been too many games where the Chiefs looked totally unprepared and unmotivated. Three blowout losses this season alone, one to a winless team at home. And another loss to a team that completed all of two passes, again at home.
"Sweet, Chiefs just traded for Matt Cassel! This is the move that is gonna make us perpetual SB favourites!!!!" – March 1, 2009, craig in calgary
Agree exactly how I see it.
Can debate all we want but pioli will be here and so that means Haley is gone. It’s not all his fault Clark needs to spend more and pioli needs to do better.
rec for sparky
there are reasons why this keeps coming up.
Thanks for writing them up
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 14, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't #2 the reason for #1, #3, #5, and #6? That only leaves not shaving as a reason
Don’t underestimate the utter incompetence of Matt Cassel… Maybe the OC’s said there was no hope with Cassel at QB and that’s why Weis, et al left for better jobs to work with better QBs
Instant rec for the fat camp hilarity
I needed that haha
SEC no longer stands for Southeastern Conference. It now stands for Several Entertaining Chiefs.
I'm not saying, I'm just sayin.
jay gruden sound smart to have as our hc
by Christian Scruggs on Nov 14, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
3. Crennel
His defensive schemes have been awesome recently! /sarcasm
Blame my wife!
Just because I haven't responded, doesn't mean you won the argument!
I would look towards Pitt/Balt/Green Bay at their defensive coaches
IMO we gotta get out of the 2 gap cover 3 ran by RC. We just can’t bring enough pressure from the front 3 and always bringing Hali doesn’t always get the job done. Can not afford to let opposing QBs sit back and eat lunch every time they take a snap
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 14, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
this
SEC no longer stands for Southeastern Conference. It now stands for Several Entertaining Chiefs.
I'm not saying, I'm just sayin.
Even if Todd Haley wasn't here next year
I don’t think I’d want anybody on that list besides Jeff Fisher and Jay Gruden, and I don’t want either of them here much at all. Keep Haley, and draft a QB and big boys on the offensive and defensive lines.
I honestly think we need to look outside of the Patriot tree, which undoubtably won't happen
Schefter was on ESPN earlier talking about GBOC Joe Philbin as a possibility for the Tulane HC position. He would be worth a look IMO. He’s done a great job with the GB offense, granted it’s never been that bad.
SEC no longer stands for Southeastern Conference. It now stands for Several Entertaining Chiefs.
I'm not saying, I'm just sayin.
Ummm....
Not that I disagree with you, but I’m pretty sure I too could beat a bunch of Mustangs and Camaros if I was driving a Ferrari.
With all the injuries we've had to rebound from there's almost no way Haley doesnt get to at least start next season.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I Won't Assume That With Zorn
Snyder actually pulled his play calling authority because he was so inept.
If we're hiring solely based on mustaches, I nominate the great Ron Swanson to be the next Chiefs head coach.
Sure he’s fictional, but you can’t have everything.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Ron Burgandy
now that’s a ’stache!
Plus could you imagine all the great press conference one liners.
playing san diego
would be hilarious if Ron Burgundy was our coach
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
I like the way you think...
The Ron Swanson pyramid of Greatness is just what this team needs.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 14, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Nov 14, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ummmm......
We just lost at home to a team that completed a total of 2 passes and were down to their 3rd string RB. Yet people want to see at least another year of Haley? This fan base really has settled for mediocrity.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Haley dropped 4 passes.
And he didn’t get any sacks or INTs. Todd Haley couldn’t protect Matt Cassel at all. He got beat on almost every play.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
So i guess
coaches aren’t responsible for the players on their team? Where can i get one of these jobs where i don’t have to be held accountable for anything?
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
So you're going to hold him accountable for all of that...
but not the Pro Bowl seasons of Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles, Matt Cassel, or Eric Berry?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
So you base HC performance on a popularity contest?
Bowe and Charles were legit Pro Bowlers. I give some credit to Haley for pushing Bowe to become a very good receiver. However, people tend to forget that Bowe did put up over 2,000 yards receiving in his first 2 seasons in the NFL before Haley arrived. How many receivers do that? As for Charles, all Haley did was keep him on the bench until LJ kicked himself off the team. How can you give Haley credit for that?
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
No, I don't.
But if you’re going to base poor player performance on the coach, then how do you justify not doing it for good player performance?
When Haley came to town, he found a guy with no work ethic or desire. I guess we’ve all decided to forget about all of that? Haley benched Bowe because he wasn’t putting out the effort. Bowe responded by going to Larry Fitzgerald’s offseason camp the next year and receiving extra coaching from Chris Carter and Michael Irvin. Why? Because he wasn’t about to give Haley a reason to bench him again.
Haley kicked LJ off the team. LJ didn’t quit.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe did what a lot of guys do when they hit their mid 20's. Matured.
Haley can take some credit for motivating Bowe but the guy was still a productive receiver before Haley arrived. As for LJ, he had to put up a 2.7 ypc average and mouth off to Haley before Charles was even given a chance. No way does Haley get an ounce of credit for Jamaal’s success.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
I undestand that you don't want to give Haley any credit for anything that has gone right for this team.
But that’s getting pretty ridiculous.
Charles NEVER starts for this team unless Haley says so. Charles didn’t make that decision, Haley did.
Bowe matured…as soon as Haley made him. You don’t think getting benched had anything to do with Bowe suddenly developing work ethic?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
What's ridiculous is you giving Haley credit for Jamaal's success.
He plugged him in as an afterthought and the guy blew up. Great coaching move. Give the man an extension.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I was screaming for Charles that whole year.
The only reason he got a chance is because diaper-boy had a Twitter meltdown.
I didn't give him credit for that.
You were the one that tried to blame him for players performing poorly. I merely pointed out that if you want to do that, you have to give him credit for them playing well.
You want to hold him responsible for their failures, but not their successes.
I am saying that giving credit or blame to a coach for player performance is ridiculous.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
How is blaming the coach for poor player performance ridiculous?
His job is to get the most out of his players. And it’s hard to give a lot of credit to Haley when the only time our offense has looked good was when he gave total control to Charlie Weis. I guess i can give Haley credit for hiring a play caller who was much more capable than him.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
But you cannot reasonably hold him accountable for when things go bad without giving credit when they go well.
And either way, it’s ridiculous. The players are the ones who have to perform.
And let me ask you this, where did you stand just a couple weeks ago? You know, when we were on a 4 game winning streak? Were you ready to fire Haley then? Or were you praising him for overcoming the major setbacks this team has had this year?
Haley is responsible for developing the game plan…the players are responsible for executing it. Go back to all those mistakes I mentioned. How different would that game have been if the players executed properly?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
And Pioli gives the coaches the players
Pioli deserves the blame,but he is untouchable on here for some reason
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
Edwards-Peterson Redux
Back in 2008 when the Chiefs were melting down we saw the same crap from Peterson and Edwards apologists. Bad coaching decisions? It’s Peterson’s fault for not providing enough talent. Bad drafting decisions? It’s Edwards’ fault for not coaching them up. But you can’t fire either of them because that would be unfair BECAUSE IT’S THE OTHER GUY’S FAULT!!!
Some people get so locked into being contrarian that they can’t see the forest for the trees.
I'm just saying Pioli utimatly has responsibility
Maybe these players are elite and Hayley and Cromell can’t coach them.But then again if that’s true ,Pioli hired Hayley and had to be on board with Muir as the OC.Thus,no matter how you slice it,he has a lot of culpibility either way when it comes to this teams woes.
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Pioli deserves most of the heat, if for no other reason than that he’s Haley’s boss and the one who hired him. I tend to see it as a joint failure. I think Pioli is at best a mediocre judge of talent (and is overly conservative in player acquisition) and that Haley just doesn’t get the team to perform to its highest potential (the players seem to think he’s okay, but he makes some really stupid gaffes in the interest of being “outside the box”). If you were to ask me what I think happens, I think Haley gets the axe after this season…not because he has necessarily done enough to deserve to be fired, but more because he hasn’t done enough to deserve to get extended. That and Pioli isn’t going to fire himself…and GMs generally get two coaching hires before everyone realizes that changes need to be made higher up.
I agree as well
Pioli is a 1 hit wonder.He drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round so everyone thinks he is a genius for all time.But if you look at his overall drafting record in NE,it isn’t that impressive.In his last days with the Pats 06-08,only 3 players remain with the team from those drafts.Including 0 from the 07 draft.That is not good drafting no matter how you spin it.And now everyone here believes Stanzi is the next Tom Brady ,because Pioli drafted him,oh brother.By the way ,loved how you dominated that debate up there,that was great stuff.
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 16, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
He Did Well The First Few Years
But if you look at his record the last three seasons in New England, their drafts were not good. Lots of misses and very few solid finds.
And Stanzi Is Just The Beneficiary Of BQS Right Now
Backup Quarterback Syndrome. The guy on the bench is always the best player on the team at that position. :)
Where i stood a couple weeks ago was where i've stood
since the end of his first season. No confidence in him. Even during our 10 win year last year he was hurting the team with his failed surprise onside kicks, decisions to pass up easy FGs, failure to convert on 4th down, etc.
After our 0-3 start this year I was done with him. Didn’t want him fired mid-season because that’s useless, but I was done. The 4 game winning streak was fun but i wasn’t blind to the fact that we beat 3 losers and were given a gift by Rivers.
Maybe i’m harder on him than some fans who live out of state because i go to a lot of games and pay to watch this crap. When i go to Arrowhead, i don’t expect us to always win, but i don’t expect us to get blown out by 0-7 teams either. It’s unacceptable. Anyways, i don’t expect you to agree with me. Just answering your question.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 15, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
How many sacks and INTs
do you expect to get when the opposing QB only throws it down field 6 times?
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
6
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 14, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
I see.
You demand perfection. Maybe you’re not a fan who settles for mediocrity after all.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
We want Marty
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
and all his super bowl rings
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Since so many coaches win rings with multiple teams
That happened how many times? Zero you say?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Hey now!
Marty just won the UFL Championship with the Virginia Destroyers. He can ride that momentum in KC next year all the way to the top.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Brett Favre
Player/Coach
2 for 1, Clark should like that.
Tebow > Cassel
by craig in calgary on Nov 14, 2011 7:34 PM CST reply actions
Weird... You have Haley's chances at coming back at 5%...
I have it at about 95%
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Could be...
But Clark has lost the fan base and let’s hope as fans we demand some changes…herm left Haley with talent most of our key players were not brought in by pioli or Haley…we had a lot of high picks and cap room and not much to show for it
Herm took that talent to a 2-14 record.
I remember that team and year. We are loads better now because of what Pioli and Haley have brought to this team. A Championship team isn’t built overnight, or in two off-seasons. As a fan, you should sit back and let the professionals do their job.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Nov 14, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Clark has lost the fan base?
Herm left Haley with talent? Ok, now I’m just laughing. I see why you have Haley returning at 5%. You’re completely delusional!
First of all, I’d love to know where this fan base disappeared to in the last 24 hours, and how you knew about it.
Secondly, if you want to say Herm had talent, fine, six to eight guys have matured into their own. But you have to give Pioli’s guys the same amount of time to mature into their own as well. So that argument is null and void.
Herm did leave Haley a lot of talent actually.
Just not a lot of depth. All of those guys who are getting those huge contracts right now for the Chiefs were here when Haley took over.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
and 2nd contracts require years of service and playing well
both sit on Haley’s shoulders, not so much Pioli’s
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 14, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Those 2nd contracts are also a reminder
of just how long we’ve been “rebuilding.” I know there wasn’t much overall talent when this regime took over but we are now in year 4 of rebuilding and still can’t beat a lowly Dolphins team or a Tebow led Broncos team at home.
by ChiefsFetish on Nov 14, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Year 3 or technically 2.5
only 41 games of real football and 1 post-season appearance coming from 2-14 in Herm’s final season. After Bowe and Carr, comes Dorsey and Albert.
Herm continues on with some serious talent
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 14, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yes Herm DID leave us stocked at KEY positions.
Pioli/Haley have had 3 offseasons so far and yes we had holes BUT Herm did leave the us with plenty of young talent. I am not saying Herm was a good coach but Herm/Carl…yes CARL left us with a lot of young talent. Haley did coach them up etc but look at our best players and tell me where they came from?
Herm left us with Albert (above average LT), Hali (one of the best pass rushers), Flowers(very good CB), Charles (great RB), Carr (above average CB), and Bowe (top 10 WR)
LT, Pass rusher, and CB being 3 of the top 4 premium positions and hardest to find/fill.
We had 2 yeaers of top draft picks and factor in the Tony G trade (which was a holdover player) we ended up wtih 1 excellent player (Berry) and a lot of unknowns at best. The Cassel trade was a conservative approach to righting the ship but it did not work so therefore we are 3 years later and with no answer at QB. The 2010 draft was LOADED with talent and if you go back and look at that 2nd round alone and see we got a 165 lb running back and Nickel CB. You could argue that those 2 are the worst players in that round not named Taylor Mays.
YES we need to give it more time with the draft picks etc but explain to me how Gailey scroed 30 pts a game with Thigpen and we can barely get one TD now. I am really curious to see how Shane Falco does as I was really surprised we did not bring someone in to backup Cassel as it was not hard to see this happeneing with Richardson manning the right side.
Again, I am not saying all the blame is on Haley just saying this has not been a success so far and someone WILL/Should take the fall for it. Thats the way the NFL is and I agree I would have loved to see what Haley could have done with a great QB but most teams dont have a great QB and have to find ways to win or at least score some points.
My point was to list candidates that might be good hires as I fully expect the writing is on the wall for the beard to not survive this season.
Again, null and void on the personnel issue
Until every one of Pioli’s draft picks the last two years get as much time as the ‘08 drafts had to develop, you can’t compare. You never know, we could be looking at twice the amount of stars on this team in a couple of years. That’s plenty of time to fill in the holes and looklike a championship winning team.
Of Course You Can Compare
Glenn Dorsey showed ability within the first two years. He has never been dominant, but he showed he could play. Tamba Hali produced within the first year. Dwayne Bowe produced within the first year. Jamaal Charles produced within the first year (considering his very limited opportunities).
Pioli’s 2010 draft class looks like it was a very solid effort, but 2009 was more or less a complete waste except for getting a decent kicker (and a part-time starter at DE with the #3 overall pick). And in 2010, Pioli had a chance to draft a starting-caliber NT with BPA (Terrence Cody) and instead went for a nickel back (who is decent, but is still just a nickel back). Jury’s completely out on 2011.
It’s not just that Pioli is an inconsistent evaluator of talent…it’s that he’s not particularly good at filling critical holes in the lineup outside of the draft. Nose tackle has been a problem since he’s been here and the best he’s done is Kelly Gregg? Really?
I've said this all along
I really wish I could see Haley coach this team with a good quarterback. When Cassel plays out of his mind, this offense is clicking. However, that’s not very often. Too inconsistent. If we had a good quarterback, I don’t see this fire Haley talk happening at all. So let’s see how Haley handles the rest of the season with different quarterback play before making this decision.
I am Skeered
I love Haley, yet Palko might be seasoning in the stew pot for the head hunters.
and then
McDougie ends up in KC , craps the floor
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 14, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
What I'm saying is
We know what happens with Cassel. We’ve had plenty of time for that. What I want to see is how Haley handles even more adversity with a fresh quarterback. If you see Palko or even Stanzi look lost in the pocket as many times as Cassel has, then maybe it’s the system and maybe it’s the coaching. I’m not saying make it to the playoffs, but if we see this offense start to spark with somebody else under center, maybe it’s not Todd Haley who was holding this team back. But it’s going to take a good majority of the rest of the season to determine that.
I love them both
and think both Pioli and Haley are awesome at what the do.
I hate this constantly at odds that they seem to be.
I feel must they come together success for Chiefs in the light
Identity?
Steve, when you think of the Chiefs, describe how you see them and tell us why? Are they an 3 yards and a cloud of dust team? Are they an air it out team? Are they a well balanced team that plays errorless ball? Are they a team that plays smash mouth or are they a finess team. Tell us how you see them. I for one can’t put a handle on them. All of the good teams in the NFL have an identity that almost anyone can recognize. They are usually an extension of their coachs idea of what he wants in his team. Does Haley instill tose things in this team. I submit that they are a bunch of lost souls looking for their identity.
by Jim from KC on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
when Charles is healthy
they are a RUN team but not a smash mouth team. I find them more of a run first team then play action to all your WR weapons to move the ball. When Charles isn’t healthy they try to be a pass first team while mixing in the run. Clearly, the first option is much better.
by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
And don’t forget about how the defense is changed without Berry. Just like how the Steelers defensive gameplan isn’t nearly as good without Polamalu.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Nov 15, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
My personal choices
Russ Grimm
Chuck Pagano
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 14, 2011 11:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We need to snatch up Jay Grugen yesterday
This guy has elite written all over him, he has succeeded at every level.Get him nowwwww!!!!!
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 15, 2011 1:05 AM CST reply actions
offseason
New QB (Draft Preferably)
NEW OC (Jay Gruden, hell or Jon)
That’s all. Draft a backup guard, ILB and another NT
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