Did Romeo almost cost the Chiefs that game?
Awesome game, awesome win and it's awesome to be in first place! BUT, I have a question regarding the potential game-winning drive by the Chargers that ended in the Phumble... What was Romeo Crennel thinking on that 3rd-and-18 play by calling an all-out blitz?
If you remember the Chargers were at their own 44-yard line with a 3rd-and-18. The Chiefs apparently sent an all-out blitz allowing Phyllis to complete a 19-yard pass to Patrick Crayton. How in the s*&t did that happen? And why? It just seems to me that we should have been playing a zone on that play and rushing maybe 3 or 4 players. What was Romeo thinking? It probably could and should have cost us the game, but apparently the football gods were smiling on us last night so it didn't matter. Please, Romeo, don't do that again with the game on the line.
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I loved that blitz call, It almost worked. Rivers is a good QB and the san diego recievers are way above average. Crennel saved this blitz for a crucial time and it damn near made the headlines that all would have been talking about this morning. It was just a fraction of a second off, congrats to the chargers. A great defensive call non the less.
I haven't seen anyone else mention this.
I think that conversion on 3 and 18 was 100% squarely on Brandon Flowers shoulders. When I saw the replay, he was giving a 20 yard cushion and did not close quickly enough. When I thought we were going to lose the game, I remember thinking how sad it was after Flowers played such a great game that he gave up the game winning play. If you watch that replay, you will see what I mean. Even he knew it, you could tell by his body language right after the play.
Totally correct
I LOVE aggressive playcalling in that situation. Send the house. Flowers had his one bad play of the night on that play. People always complain, rightfully so about playing Prevent D. We played the opposite of that, and I’ll take it, every time.
Im not a big fan of blitzing on 3rd and 18
But in Romeos defense is was the perfect blitz to call. The coverage really needed to be a bit tighter on that play as Flowers gave up way too much of a cushion. There’s no way a WR on a down and distance like that should be able to get to the first down marker without getting to the defender first.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
yeah
I guess my point is that it’s a bit of a gamble on a play (3rd & 18) that is very difficult to convert if the defense is playing zone. I just think the risk was too much for the reward – a sack – when all you really want is to get them to punt.
That's not the only potential reward.
The goal is to make the QB hurry and make a bad throw if you can’t get the sack. The quicker he has to make the throw, the fewer yards downfield the WR could have gotten.
Especially important if the route requires some kind of double move or takes time to develop.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
So true.
That’s why Flowers should not have givven that much room and given such a clear un challenged route to 1st down marker. Needed to be much tighter and attempt to re direct the WR.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I think it was a great call
Rivers was picking us a part because we didn’t put pressure on him.
Good point.
But they were having great success in handling those 3rd-and-forever plays.
Is it me, or is Kelly Gregg a lot faster than Glenn Dorsey?
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IMO that Gregg has fewer responsibilites than Dorsey
And Gordon has about 1/3 of those NT snaps.
I do remember Gregg running a play out to the sidelines though
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 1, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally think Gregg as fast Dorsey at least.
He’s not a quick-twitch guy like Dorsey is at shooting the gap, or using lateral agility to grab the BC. But he does have some rushing speed if he penetrates, and some pursuit speed still left in the tank. And he makes his share of tackles in the phone booth, and maybe even scraping along line. He was pretty productive for the Ravens. He didn’t get a lot of sacks, but he got some pressures that flushed the QB right into the waiting arms of Suggs, or sometimes Jarrett Johnson. He has 20.5 sacks, 369 total solo tackles, and 10 pd’s in his career in 144 games. He’s more athletic than you’d think. He’s been a purty good player for along time now. And he turned 35 today.
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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 1, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Happy Birthday Kelly
Joel missed that one
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 1, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like the blitz in conjunction with soft coverage.
I didn’t like the play call. I’d’ve been fine with blitz, but it has to come with JAM.
I think the Chiefs are still lacking in 4-man pass rush. Part of the fix may lie in Houston being more decisive and more aggressive with the outside move. Seems like he’s trying to play it honest all the time, which is prob’ly the smart way to coach him up, but I’d rather have something more aggressive as the base threat, especially from Sheffield and him.
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Houston
how much did he even play yesterday? I only noticed him in on 3rd and long plays. Can we work him into the mix more?
Houston's play time comes at the expense of Studdie....
…not sure if I want that to happen. Houston can come in when we are in the nickle, leave Studdie out there otherwise.
I'd like to see BOTH of them using contact at the line more often.
And I don’t think one necessarily plays only at the expense of the other. I’m surprised at how rarely they just let Hali and Houston both pin their ears back. I’d like to see that base 3-4 feature a lot more 5-man rush, so whether they bring it or not, offenses still have to take that threat seriously on every snap. I think Studie looks better rushing from the weak side. Much as I hate to lose Hali from the blind side, he’s probably the best OLB we have for the strong side.
I think their 3-man rush, anemic as it is, would be better if they didn’t telegraph it quite so much. O-Line needs to be sweatin’ bullets from the edge threats before that 3-man (and 4-man) rush is going to reach its maximum.
I thought the D was too passive in the middle of the game, basically trying to hold them to a FG try. I really liked what they were doing early in the game, though. I’m still looking forward to seeing some Powe.
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I thought the Chiefs were trying the Pittsburgh walk about D
never really settled in till the snap and Press Coverage.
Never have seen that from Romeo in KC
it looked really good and threw Rivers for a loop
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 1, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you talking about Romeo's Nickel front, Proff?
I think their 3-man rush, anemic as it is, would be better if they didn’t telegraph it quite so much. O-Line needs to be sweatin’ bullets from the edge threats before that 3-man (and 4-man) rush is going to reach its maximum.
Sometimes I just wish they’d leave T-Jax and Dorsey out there and see what happens? Like my Niners do with Justin Smith and Ray McDonald in the Nickel. Dorsey is a penetrating DT by trade and skill-set anyway. And just work Bailey in subbing for Dorsey, or T-Jax, and see what he could do? Or go with Gilberry and Dorsey in Nickel? Gilberry did have a tipped pass.
Anyway, if you are, then yeah, just have both Houston and Tamba rushing like crazy every snap … and even let DJ play eye-spy on the QB, and blitz if he sees a favorable opportunity. Playing press and man with Flowers, Carr and Arenas, while bringing 4 (or even 5 if DJ blitzes) on rush would be nice to see experimented with. And bring up K-Lew (on delay to see if he reads the same O pre-snap as DJ does; and he’ll know whether DJ is going to blitz, or not) into the box with McGraw, and D-Wash back deep in the middle. If DJ doesn’t read blitz, then K-Lew hangs back farther out in the middle along with D-Wash.
And yeah, I’d like to see Powe getting worked in on some snaps for Gregg too, along with Bailey being worked in subbing for the DE’s. Piloi/Haley/Romeo—and even Chucky—ain’t selling me on how awesome Amon Gordon is. Take a look at Gordon’s less than impressive career history. Just start working Bailey and Powe by rotating in the Base D, please. We need our young guys of the future developing now.
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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 2, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It's pretty much all one or all the other.
But I believe they mixed it up more on MNF than they have been. I think there are issues with Dorsey and Jackson getting consistent pressure.
I’m OK with zone, as long as it starts with contact at the line. SMACK that guy. Do everything short of holding to hinder him getting into his route, and use inside/outside leverage to give the helper(s) behind you an edge.
Gordon’s this year’s Shaun Smith. A decent player with good history with Crennel.
I’m not saying send Tamba and Justin EVERY down, but often enough that it’s firmly planted in the opponents’ minds. And I’d rather see them HITTING the TE in front of them, even if it slows their progress to the QB. Just slow the TE down in getting into his route.
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Agreed
I’d like to see some 4 man fronts with Sheffield or Houston coming from the same side as Hali, we have to be able to get after the QB it’s killing us on 3rd downs. It sucks that when we rush the QB has forever. I hate the 3-4 when you can’t get any pressure, or don’t have the talent to do it. Should we continue with Dorsey who’s really playing out of position or maybe draft a guy for that side that can Pass rush too.
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I'm debating that same question.
I think disguising the 3-man rush better might help. But I’m just generally not a fan of the 3-man rush at all, unless it’s 3rd and 10+.
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See, I like a 4 or 5 man rush on 3rd and 10+
Unless you have a field of all-pro defensive backs (which, we’re not far from really).
Try to force the QB to throw early and short of the chains.
Rivers killed us on the 3 man rush a few times just because he had time to squirt out when the pocket finally destabilized, wander over by the sidelines and wait for some of those freakishly athletic WR’s to finally get open.
But by nature, I just like a more aggressive defensive mindset. I realize both can work well and both can be taken advantage of.
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I'd rather get beat being aggressive, than sitting back and still losing the game.
If i was coaching and it was 3rd and 18 we’d be blitz in one form or another, especially against the Chargers. Those 3rd down and forevers are killing us this year, man it’s tough to watch our defense give up 27 on 3rd and 18.
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Yeah man. Especially given the situation
As bad of a game as McNeill had been having at LT, on 3rd and 18 you can bet your ass I’d have an overload blitz coming on that side and force Phyllis to get the ball out before anyone’s route can take them to the 1st down marker, and leave the impetus on the secondary to tackle them before the chains.
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Agreed
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I also agree, but you HAVE to smack those guys at the line, else Phyllis knows where the WR will be.
Blitzing hard up front and playing soft behind gives them exactly what they need. WR’s where he ought to be and nobody’s in his grill.
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Well when it's 3rd and 10, I'll give them 7 yards underneath all day every day.
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Fair 'nuff.
3rd and long is like the one time I’m OK with sending 4 and playing tight zones, or just flat-out over-and-under-ing every receiver I can’t single-up. But only because I’ve seen the Chiefs play it just like you say, with solid tackling.
Chiefs mixed it up well. I liked that they singled up Flowers on the rookie (since that’s where the guy lined up), and doubled elsewhere. Basic good gamesmanship.
But I think the issue with Phyllis is not giving him the same thing, one series to the next. You could see Norv ‘n’ Phyllis lickin’ their chops between series. As the game wore on, they DID get more productive, their protections were holding up, and they were enjoying some success on the ground. More than that, they were hitting their receivers for nice chunks.
So even though I didn’t like seeing San Diego having ANY success, the more I think on the matchups, the more respect I have for what Crennel accomplished with his guys. He DID find ways to goad Phyllis into mistakes. His guys DID get pressure, early. And Flowers and Arenas are giving up about a foot’s worth of height, altogether, to any pair of WRs. Coming out in press probably caught SD off-guard, and unprepared. But you keep showing that, and there are places Rivers can decide PRE-snap to just chuck the ball.
One way or another, the Chiefs have to commit a pair of hats to both Floyd and Jackson. My way would be more physical, and probably a lot clumsier than what Crennel did. But if I’m spending the hats, it’s a straight-up doubleteam, focused on the enemy player, and not some abstract zone, except on the rare (again, if I were running things) occasions I’m dropping bigger and slower LBs into zone. I’d be running a bigger front 5 and a smaller, faster, back 6, most of the game. Have the front 5 playing downhill, and the back 6 covering and blitzing, and the OLBs just burying the ’back when he strays into their area, with or without the ball.
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But I'll tell ya. The picks were good, but there were stretches of slice-and-dice that had me wishing Pioli had made a strong play for Scrabble.
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I mean, here we are, after a tough game against Phyllis, and we're looking at a waived Patriot.
You can NEVER come into a season with too many great corners, and while you can debate how well KC did or didn’t do on OL in FA, they had the money to achieve a clear upgrade and didn’t spend it. Corner’s a position where it’s hard to overspend, especially with a ton of room under the cap. Asante Samuel’s whining is not withstanding. You have a great chance of winning with a stacked backfield. It gives you extra leeway in scheme (and lets you play a simple style that’s very complicated to overcome) and lets you go bigger at LB, and scoop on awesome ’tweeners other teams overlook. Win in space with speed players lets you win in the trenches with bigger players and extra hats.
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If we didn't blitz and they converted...
Someone would have posted a “why didn’t we blitz” post. It is what it is and I trust Romeo to do the right thing.
by ChiTownChiefs on Nov 1, 2011 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They won the dice roll in getting that 3rd and 18. They had a VERY high probability of preventing the 20-yard gain just
by playing it honest. But blitzing hard and playing soft as silly putty behind, was just asking for trouble.
I hate blitzing, but not having the courage of their convictions. The only way the receiver gets that far down the field in the amount of time the pass rush took, was free release at the line.
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Yes, they ended up giving free release most of the time I guess
But they came out playing press and man … and I was totally stunned, but elated! I couldn’t believe it!?!?! And they did show McGraw, and I think it was Stud (or was it Houston?), absolutely mugging Gates off the line for 5 yards. I loved it! I sure wish Romeo would’ve kept it up this game, and would keep it up in the future. Damn, I loved watching it while it lasted. I believe(???) I even saw Daniels in there for some dime snaps with Flowers at the same time? And I didn’t see as much of Sabby. Man, I wish he’d go with either Daniels or D-Wash in the nickel/dime over Sabby for playing FS in Cover 2 nickel/dime from now on.
I’d also like to see him put Stud at SILB full-time and see what he could do? I think we might be surprized? Agree with letting Houston bring it along with Tamba. And teach Houston to knock the hell out of the TE or RB on the way to the QB. Trying to force Houston to cover is for the birds. And agree with playing press anytime you blitz, as well. When you press man, as a DB, you’re relying on your pass-rush/blitz to hit home right damn quick! Not standing back there in zone watching it.
And to be fair, Romeo doesn’t have his blitzing SS anymore, so losing that part of EB’s play really hurts too. Although I have to wonder why he isn’t at least blitzing Arenas still? Is he afraid he doesn’t have enough DB’s with the juice to cover his vacant spot if he does? Did Berry blasting thru help conceal Arenas on his sneaky delayed blitzes for the change up? Oh well.
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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 2, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
It sure was exciting to watch those first couple D series.
But you need to adjust to keep pace with the offense, and I’m not the big expert. I just feel like showing offenses respect, deserved or not, leads to more defeats than victories.
Maybe Crennel misinterpreted his success with his DBs down the field, because of how they generated turnovers. I’d contend that it was the early pressure that had Rivers forcing the ball out, and you can get those cheap INTs when you drop back in coverage, but I think they’re cheap, because they were set up by the earlier pressures.
I also think the 4-man rush gets better pressure if the protections are based on worrying about the 5- and 6-man rush. Catch a few guys blocking air, and maybe Jackson/Dorsey playing 1-gap on the changeup.
My impression was they stuck with the 3- and 4-man stuff longer than they should and they needed to set those plays up by continuing to mix in more blitzes.
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I wish this team could play a complete game like they did in the 1st quarter of the Chargers game.
IMO the loss of Berry has a big impact on how Crennel is calling the games. This team really needs another pass rusher, I sure hope one steps up soon. If we can’t bring better pressure, games against teams like the Pats or Green bay are going to be tough to watch.
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I feel like the talent's mostly in place on D, even without Berry, but I'm all about bringing enough hats
to get pressure, first and foremost.
But it might just be missing another pass rusher, so they can run the zones they want to run behind it. Personally, I don’t like ANY coverage scheme that lets receivers get into their routes untouched. Those are ALWAYS the guys targeted by opposing QBs, and you can talk all day about having/wanting better DBs.
Blah blah blah. If I understood better, maybe I’d give an explanation about needing to keep adjusting, to keep SD in check, once they figured out what KC was doing. But to MY eye, it seemed like the aggressive scheme was working and why change to something soft?
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But I agree, it was NOT a complete game.
And diissecting the D might be missing the point. They need to be more consistently productive on offense than they are. They need to play with more confidence on offense than they are. Trickeration is what you rely on when you suck. KC doesn’t suck, but they play like they’re afraid that they suck. Execution level is high enough, imo, for them to take what’s given, mixing run and pass out of a fairly small set of formations, rather than getting so complicated with shifting and personnel changes that their OWN guys are confused.
I’d love to see ‘em run and throw out of the ’I’ all day long, myself. Great power running formation. Great pass pro formation. Mix in the occasional screens and check-downs to the backs, but more because of how the play unfolds than programming it all pre-snap. I think their confusion, at times, says that they’re somewhat over-coached and there’s not enough authority being given to the players. If they need to simplify things a little bit to give the players ownership, then that’s what they should do. There’s still PLENTY of uncertainty for defenses to worry about, if you can run and pass well out of the same formation(s).
I think, right now, they’re a team that still needs to throw to be able to run. Not so much because they’re a poor running team, but because opponents are still disrespectful of the pass.
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Philip Rivers did not have a passing TD on the Chiefs this year
0 Touchdowns and 4 Interceptions in 2 games
Yes.
And if the offense will pick it up a little, that bend-don’t-break D is a great way to win. Play to prevent the TD, and slowly get more aggressive as the field shortens. If you’re forcing FGs, at the worst, and your offense can score TDs on the other end, you have a winning formula. That’s what Denver did when they won their championships.
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I don't like the formula...
but it does seem like that is it. That would help explain all the Sub packages on D. Seems like you are making both sides of the ball work harder. Good idea til’ the talent level is up to snuff.
Regardless of talent, I'd STILL initiate contact inside the 5 yards. But that's just me.
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Gotta have the bodies to do it though.
Jalil Brown and Brandon Carr are built for it.
Flowers trying to press, depending on who he’s covering, can get steamrolled by some of those big bodies.
He has fantastic vision and reacts far more quickly than most, so he’s better just sticking to his man in coverage or even with a little cushion then jumping in to disrupt things as the ball gets there.
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That's why I'd invert the coverage in those situations.
Put Jalil in the bastard’s face, with Flowers back to read and react. But you’re conceding an unnecessary advantage by failing to get your hands on receivers at the line. Have Jon McGraw deliver the wood at the line. I don’t care. He’s physical enough to disrupt the route. Team concept-wise, have the deep ’back know exactly how the re-direct is intended. After the re-direct, the up-back can either trail or (my preference) attack upfield.
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