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Week #8

The Kansas City Chiefs beat the San Diego Chargers, 23-20.  It was a Monday night football game that demonstrated the determination and dogged spirit of the 2011 Chief's players.

This week, Casey Wiegmann recorded a 95% assignment grade in run blocking and a 93% assignment grade in pass blocking.  Not bad for a veteran that some say is on his last leg.  Actually, Casey has blocked with a renewed vigor the past couple of games...getting movement on his blocks, not getting driven as much.  The guy still has something left in the tank.

As always, the tight ends and running backs grades are, here.

Let's take a look at the rest of those grades...

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Team Run Blocking
Power Blocking
Power Blocking Score
2nd Level Blocks
Did the lineman get the job done or not?  These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams.  A game in the mid 80s to 90% is a decent score.
How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated?  These scores are good for comparing across teams and finding  the most dominant lineman in the league.   
Anything over zero is a good score.  The more over zero the more the lineman dominated the defender.  Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the defender.
The number of successes over failures for the lineman when blocking linebackers and safeties on the second level.  The lineman must be athletic to accomplish a high second level score.

 

 

Run Blocking Grades


Percent
      Grade Bar

Power
Pull
2/Level

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Blocking
Blocks
Blocks
Albert
88%
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+1
0
0
Lilja 88%
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-1
+3
+4
Wiegmann 95%
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0
0
+3
Asamoah 93%
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+1
+1
+4
Richardson 66%
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0
0
+2













Run Blocking Notes:

  • Ok.  As you can see, PFS is trying out some new grading bars for the assignment scores.  If the player is in the green that means it is a good day.  Yellow means the player had an off day in the run blocking department.  Anything in the red is bad.
  • Barry Richardson has a pretty bad day all around.  I'm not sure what is wrong...but he isn't even looking good at the things he normally does well (run block).  He ends the Chargers game with a 66% run blocking grade.  That is not very good, and is the makings of being replaced (or looking for a replacement) if he can't turn at least one phase of his game around.  His problems in this game were is ability to stay engaged on the defender. Continually, the defender would get off his block and many times make the play.
  • Richardson misses 3 of his first 4 run blocks.  Many of my notes include missed blocks about Richardson...so I'm just going to state that as fact, and not include any more negatives about Barry.
  • At 9:19 in the 1st quarter, Barry has a false start.
  • If you would like to see how the Chiefs linemen have done over the past games, then look here.

 

Team Pass Blocking
Passing Power Blocking
Pressures Combo Help
Did the lineman get the job done or not?  These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams.  A game in the 90% is a good score for pass blocking.
How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated?  Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the block. How often did the offensive lineman give up pressure on the quarterback?  Every once and a while a lineman can do his job but give up pressure on the QB.  This stat will help glean more info from the line grades.
How often did the offensive coordinator provide help for a tough defender or a struggling lineman.  Yea, two lineman ended up with the same grade...but how much help did either of them get?

 


Pass Blocking Grades


Percent
     Grade Bar

Power
Pressures
Sacks
Combo

 Grade http://profootballspotlight.com/wp-content/uploads/100-rating-run-bar.png         
Blocking
Allowed
Allowed
Help
Albert
81%
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-3
4
1
9
Lilja 80%
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-3
2
0
13
Wiegmann 93%
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-1
1
0
22
Asamoah 93%
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0
1
0
21
Richardson 82%
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-4
4
0
12















 

Pass Blocking Notes:

  • Branden Albert gets beat in pass protection at 14:18  for a sack.  It was the second time in a row that he had been beaten.
  • Lilja has a nice pass block at 8:04 in the 3rd quarter.  Lilja ended the day with a -3 power score in pass protection and gave up 2 pressures.
  • The Chiefs do a lot of combo blocking this week as they keep in their backs and tight ends on most plays.  Kansas City relied more on their wide outs against the Chargers to get open and make plays.
  • At :10 in the 4th quarter, Branden Albert and Ryan Lilja get beat in pass protection.
  • Jon Asamoah has a good game all the way around.  In pass protection, he ends the day with a 93% assignments grade and a +0 power score.

 

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I find it hard to believe that Richardson is that much better than Gaither would be at RT

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by severn58 on Nov 1, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Gaither can not be healthy yet, only reason why he is not out there IMO

If he was, and had a fair shot for the job he would easily beat out BRich

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's been suited up and in on field goals, must be something we can't see during practice

They might have tried it and he just can’t make the transition from LT.

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by severn58 on Nov 1, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haley might be working his mind trick magic on him

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.

by KingChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure that is what it is.

That and you have to earn your spot on the team. It seems

Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Nov 1, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's an "earn your spot" thing.

And because of the back thing, I don’t think they’re in a big hurry. But I’d kinda like to see what they could do with Albert at RT and Gaither at LT. I’d also like to see Albert at that “natural” LG spot, which would add a lot of beef to the interior of that line. I’m not at all sure that they’re max-ing out their OL talent, at this point.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he's played RT before.

I think it’s a combination of new team and injury recovery. I don’t think Haley wants to just throw him in there.

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by citadelchief on Nov 1, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

He wouldn't be active if he wasn't somewhat healthy ya know

He just can not be 100%

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haley's also somewhat slow to make wholesale changes.

They come quickly enough, just from injuries. Maybe he keeps more people healthier longer by keeping the brakes on change. Maybe that maximizes intangibles, like team buy-in and continuity, in a sport where changes are typically IMPOSED on you by circumstance.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did

I had a lot of first timers comment on how the colors seemed backwards. So I thought I would go with a new look.

Good, bad, indifferent?

by Bewsaf on Nov 1, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I believe this change makes the graph a little more intuitive.

One can look and see that Richardson had problems during this game.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Nov 1, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes, i might add a bit more "yellow" so that it's not a one bar range for "OK"

One bar you’re in the red and bad, the next you’re yellow and OK, and the next you’re green and good.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 1, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like all the pretty colors

maybe add an orange in between the red and yeller.

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by chiefn25 on Nov 2, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good

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by Scaryclouds on Nov 1, 2011 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like it

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by The Gentry on Nov 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like it

The old style wasn’t exactly confusing, but this is much cleaner for quick scanning.

by Chiefs4Life on Nov 1, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

New graph helps Bewsaf--thanks.

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by go_saleaumua on Nov 1, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Money time

On a key play in Q4 when we needed a yard for a first down, Richardson’s guy ran right by him to make the tackle. Glaring miss on national TV.

by HowSweetItIs on Nov 1, 2011 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, on the incomplete/fumble as well.

Looked like Richardson was supposed to chop block (chip?, whatever they call it when they just dive at the guys legs) and was completely ineffective. LaBoy went just far enough to avoid it and got to Cassel.

by Archyrr on Nov 1, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

If this is the play that I remember reviewing

Both tackle cut block as if the call is for a quick pass. But then Cassel takes a 5 step drop. A mix up there, I’m sure.

It still wasn’t a good cut block…but the ball still should have been out if it was a called quick pass.

by Bewsaf on Nov 1, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the analysis.

Makes me want to look it over again myself, see what happened.

by Archyrr on Nov 1, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

3rd and 1

On the drive before THE Phumble. Either Richardson or Pope blocked the wrong guy. Seems to me that Pope should have blocked down but I only briefly saw the replay.

by eljefe83 on Nov 1, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great work bewsaf

As always. Great commentary and appreciate the work

by Matt Conner on Nov 1, 2011 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Bewsaf, as always, thanks for this

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

That Asamoah guy

Seems to be doing pretty good.

With play Weigmann is giving us maybe worth considering having Hudson play LG. We can try filling in RT and C during the offseason (or there is always Gaither for RT).

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by Scaryclouds on Nov 1, 2011 10:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I see us having a new LG

but it is going to be Albert. BA got beat a couple of times and had some penalties. For most of the game our OL looked like it was getting pushed around which happens against the bigger teams. The fact that we are now putting a TE in the backfield to help out tells me that Haley is looking for ways to give Cassel more time, cuz when he has it Bowe, Breaston, and Baldwin are going to make plays.

I def think Hudson will be our C next year and Asamoah will be our RG, but the play at LT, LG, and RT has been average to below average.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

They did use some extra blockers, but the protection at least early was rediculous.

I loved the graphics they used at halftime to show the pocket for the TD replay and some other stuff. Cassel had nearly ten yards open around him on those.

by Archyrr on Nov 1, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the 2nd half, SD was doing really well with just a 4-man rush. Very concerning.

Also concerning was some of the success Matthews was having.

BTW, anybody notice how much they’re mixing it up in the nickel fronts? I saw Dorsey on the left side, next to Gordon. Dorsey next to Gilberry. And the standard Gilberry next to Bailey, as well. Glad to see the new combos and glad that there are still combos left to try out.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Bewsaf,

I don’t have video to be able to watch in slow motion yet – but on Cassel’s INT at the end of the second quarter, I think I saw Wiegmann getting driven backwards and into Cassel to disrupt the throw a bit.

Am I needing to be medicated? Or did Casey just get handled there?

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't remember that play

but I have Wiegmann as getting driven once in pass protection and giving up 1 pressure in my notes.

by Bewsaf on Nov 1, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I second this question

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Found it

Link at nfl videos

Pause it right at 0:17 for a good view. Looks like Casey is driven backwards into Cassel as he’s stepping into his throw and that forces it to float out.

My take on it, anyway.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh

I remember that. But that is Lilja, not Wiegmann. Casey is helping Asamoah on a combo.

by Bewsaf on Nov 1, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right.

The video helps clear up a lot of what late night / tired / fuzzy memory was clouding.

Yeah, Lilja got shoved into him and it looks like Cassel can’t complete the follow through on his throw, forcing it out at too high of a point in his delivery.

Credit where it’s due, that’s a good job by the pass rusher (is that Garay?)

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice research

YOU just earned Cassel a nicer review by me whenever I get around to talking about this game…

It was already going to be decent, but it’s good to know how that pick occurred.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair's fair, and that's what I try to be.

Same for Rivers’ pick to Lewis – believe it or not, Studebaker made a nice inside move on the pass rush and was getting to Rivers just as he was throwing.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stude had a good game

he blew up a play or two in the backfield, recovered that fumble, and was pretty active, overall

by stagdsp on Nov 1, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stude looked better against McNeil than Houston did.

Houston didn’t look nearly as effective rushing the passer as I was hoping and expecting this year. He’s been more all-around than I expected, too.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Studebaker played much better last night

He didn’t seem to be a liability against the run and was playing hard. Still not great, but not a weakness.

by Chiefs4Life on Nov 1, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stude is giving everything he's got to make it a battle for SOLB

Houston took an early lead, but Stude’s not as far back as I thought he’d be at this point.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that fumble recovery was outright Rediculous!

Still have no idea how he got it. Just love the fact that the ref’s are still looking for the ball in the scrum and Stude’s running around with it.

by Eastcoastransplant on Nov 1, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

He shortened his throwing motion for sure.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mean end of the *fourth* quarter.

Wow, lack of sleep has me sloppy today.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man i thought the run blocking grades were gonna be a lot worse.

It seemed like every run play there was just nowhere to go.

by chiefFANatic on Nov 1, 2011 10:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He started off the season better than I thought he would

But he’s rapidly looking more like “preseason B-Rich”

With our passing attack looking better and more important, I see no reason to not have Gaither in on that side, particularly with B-Rich not even run blocking well.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm getting there

We have a perfectly capable and more talented backup in there. I don’t see why he’s not playing.

They’ve done the right thing with Battle v. TJ and with Houston/Stude v. Sheff, now they need to do the right thing with Gaither v. B-Rich.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haley has

seemed to change his opinion on Houston. I get that he wants to use him in pass rushing packages…maybe he is giving him snaps off as he is a rookie and doesn’t want him to hit the rookie wall.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be

And Stude could also be playing his way into more time… he’s been much better lately.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

STude

def played better last night, but he wasn’t very good against the Colts or Raiders. Houston looks to be a 3 down LB like DJ…I know he gave up the pass late in the game, but his coverage wasn’t awful and he wasn’t asked to do that at Georgia…so he is learning.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

It’ll be Houston. it’s just cool to see Stude fighting him for it, which means Houston has to improve to stay on the field… and on and on.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm all for having STude on the team

He is always going to play hard and is thankfull for every day he is in the NFL.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll go you one further: 260-pound LB versus (semi-) elite HB in space? What do you expect?

I don’t like schemes that obligate the LB to run with a ‘back for any distance. Even our very GOOD nickel LB was beaten by Matthews in space. I believe the LB is outmatched in space but has the edge at close quarters. So any time that ’back enters your area, and it’s inside the 5 yards, just HIT him. Don’t lay back, pretending you’re good enough to run with him, after you gave him room to pick his spot. That’s what happened to #56 the one time. He’d’ve blown up that play by seeking out and HITTING Matthews at the earliest opportunity.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well that's not as black and white as you may think

Gaither hasn’t graded out well at all in any run blocking that I’ve seen (though quite a bit better in pass pro), unless I’m mis-rememberifying

Playing him on the right and being poor at run blocking won’t help. Plus we have no idea how healthy he is.

I’m wondering if this next draft sees us maybe going for the top RT prospect in the 2nd or even late first. We really need consistency there.

Plus I see us taking another Guard in the first half of the draft, maybe the 3rd? Lilja run blocks really well but his pass pro is still just seems pretty poor.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

If Gaither is going to make an impact it is going to be at LT. Our OL is getting pushed around too much will falter vs. playoff caliber teams. I’ve written it many times that next year our OL should be Gaither/Albert/Hudson/Asamoah/RT…..I agree we will draft an interior OL and maybe a RT, but I see us signing a RT in FA as it looks like the MO for Haley is give OL a year of learning before putting them on the field.

Watching last night, we really need to tighten up the middle of our OL and of our defense.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

My main point is

With B-Rich not run blocking well (which I believe has been a bit of a trend as of late), the only reason to keep him over there vanishes.

Additionally, I think with Battle as our feature back and B Amigos as our wideouts, along with Dex Factor being in there and the way the modern game is played, a strong argument can be made that we should continue to move to more of a “pass first” offense.

In which case, Gaither is by far the superior choice.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

on that. I’m glad we found a good way to use Dex. Though if JC was healthy, I’m not sure Dex would be in those packages…funny a lot of people on here talk about how bad he has been running the ball, but ESPN put up his stats and he had a very good rushing average. Gruden said it best last night…get Dex in space and let him make some moves.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re Dex

True, but most of his big runs have come on third and long draw plays, not traditional run plays. The blocking was the big issue last night though. The guy can make people miss, but he shouldn’t have to do that 2-3 times just to get back to the line.

by polodude017 on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely right

people bag on Dex, but Nobody outside of Barry Sanders is capable of being a productive RB when they get hit in the backfield on EVERY running play.

Dex was instrumental in the game-winning drive… because they threw him the ball in space.

look at the stat line: 6 rushes, 0 yards…he got hit in the backfield each time.

receiving… 3 catches 28yds… all 3 on that final drive in OT

by stagdsp on Nov 1, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is it me or are they NOT play-faking to Dex much?

Seems to me that would be the way to get the most out of him. He DEFinitely draws a crowd.

As for the pass first thing, I think it revolves around lack of respect for the KC passing game, and respect for their run game. Teams, so far, have found it generally profitable to attack the backfield, on both pass and run plays. We’re just beginning to see Cassel make some real hay with his wideouts against no-respect defense. The more consistently he does that, the more the running game is going to open up, again.

I think the run game is there, just waiting ’til the time is ripe.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Barry had a lot of negative runs. I wonder if it’s the blocking on Dex’s runs, or just that everybody knows what play is coming due to the fact our play calling can be predictable. One thing I love….Cassel’s 3rd and long completion % is saving us right now.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel had some straight up good throws, in terms of accuracy and zing, last night

Baldwin touchdown, 3 and long in OT, and he’s going through his progressions. I remember one where he found Bowe in the 4th as his last read. Great to see that.

by Eastcoastransplant on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

At one point they flashed a stat for Cassel for third downs

Something like 5/8 for 80 yards or something like that.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely right, AZ

I think it’s a combination of both… predictable play calling, and not good blocking

by stagdsp on Nov 1, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was just thinking the same thing re the draft the other night.

Depending on how the board falls and how this class is, I would definintely go 2 OL in the first 3 rounds (maybe the first two). Either two tackles (if they are going to scott Albert inside for Lilja) or a guard and a tackle.

And I could be wrong, but I’m fairly certain Gaither is only in KC on a one year deal. So I wouldn’t really look at him for the future.

by polodude017 on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that will happen

just because that would be too many new faces on the OL. Gaither is on a one-year deal but I think that was due to his health. Albert is not a RT and I don’t see Haley moving him to the right side while we are on a 4 game winning streak. I think Haley is going to let the season play out, he is going to find out a lot during our 5 game stretch from hell.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agre Haley won't make changes during the season

(barring injury, of course)

But, going into 2012, he’ll have some decisions to make.

Sign Gaither to a new deal, and get him into the starting lineup?
IF so…

Draft either a RT or LG in the first 3 rounds, depending on what he wants to do with Albert.

What I’m hoping for: Albert/Rookie (or Lilja for 1 more year while the rookie develops)/Hudson/Asamoah/Gaitherbut, I’d also be happy with Gaither/Albert/Hudson/Asamaoh/Rookie

by stagdsp on Nov 1, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your second lineup makes more sense to me

It is bigger, stronger, faster. We are the smallest OL in the NFL and it shows. It may just be the way things have worked out, but it appears to me that Haley wants his OL to sit and learn for a year before making them starters. I think we will draft a T and an interior OL, however I think we will sign an experienced RT if Haley decides to get rid of B Rich.

by AZDiamond75 on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could see drafting a T and a G

but, Haley rolls with BRich until the draft pick is ready, IMHO

by stagdsp on Nov 1, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a lot depends on how things unfold this season and postseason.

You never know when Gaither might get a clean bill of health and take over for one or the other tackle spots, and then it’s anybody’s guess whether Albert moves to RT or LG or just stays where he is, with Gaither on the right side.

I think for KC to have a chance in the Game 11-16 stretch, they’re going to need to take a couple steps forward, whether it be from the skill players or some sort of change in the trenches, or both. I think there’s room to grow at both WR and OL, by working Baldwin in and with Hudson and Gaither as potential upgrades already in-house.

I think it’s WAY early to speculate much about drafting OL, until we see who’s actually starting down the home stretch, and how well they’re doing at it. The thing that has me leaning toward OT (and when do I NOT?) is early scouting reports about talent in that position group in the 2012 draft. I’m glad they stayed clear of OT in 2011 draft, and I’m wondering just what’s happening on the practice squad with that young giant they stole.

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by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

For Cassell pick at the end of the game it looks like the O-Linemen was driven backwards

And this prevented Cassel from stepping up into his throw. Did I see this correctly?

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by nateforchiefs on Nov 1, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

For the* and end of the regular time*

Proof reading and coffee are in short supply for me I guess.

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by nateforchiefs on Nov 1, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are refering to

when at :10 in the 4th quarter both Albert and Lilja get beat.

by Bewsaf on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are refering to

when at :10 in the 4th quarter both Albert and Lilja get beat.

by Bewsaf on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes that is it. Cassel couldn't step into his throw and when a QB can't do that

the pass tends to sail and thats what this one did.

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by nateforchiefs on Nov 1, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scroll up a bit, I have a link to it and some diagnosis.

It’s Lilja, and he’s being driven back into Cassel at the point of his release.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I cant view the videos (Im at work and apparently they're blocked because its not work related)

But you also said end of the second quarter so Im confused

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by nateforchiefs on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah totally my fault

Completely brainscrambled today with a lack of sleep and coffee.

Meant end of 4th quarter, after the fumble.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

And since I'm here and looking at INT's closely

Here’s Cassel’s first one

There are a couple of things on this one that are hard for me to tell due to low resolution / crummy link / not a big monitor (perks of work).

A D Lineman waved at it, but it’s impossible to tell if he got a hand on it. I don’t think so, but the timing was close. Can anyone see it better?

Also, it still hits Baldwin in the hands. Did he whiff on that / stonehands it – or did the defender behind him jar him with a good play? Almost looks like it’s a play he should have muscled up and brought the catch down on – but again, with this setup here at work, it’s hard to see it clearly.

Anyone able to view it better and provide insight?

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Probably still should have caught it, however...

To me it looked like the defender popped him in the left elbow just as the ball got there. If that’s the case, while I wish he caught it I somewhat understand. Any time I’ve hit my elbow solidly my whole hand goes numb/pins and needles for a few seconds.

If not, he’s still working out some of the kinks in his game. I’ll forgive him as long as he continues to work on filling those holes.

by Archyrr on Nov 1, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I think that’s a play Bowe makes in that situation, because he’s so good at using his big body to block out a defender.

Something Baldwin will have to be coached up on. Guy’s so physically gifted, he needs to use that advantage and just take the ball in situations like that.

But for a rook in his second pro game, not a bad showing.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was saying last night that Baldwin ought to have come towards Cassel, knowing the defender was behind him.

But looking at where the sticks are, that wouldn’t’ve made the conversion. Wish I could remember what down it was.

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by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

B-Rich continues to show that he would make a pretty good backup, but a pretty crummy regular starter.

by Topchief1 on Nov 1, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

numbers lie

We were not good a run blocking. We were successful at the run when the Chargers were expecting a pass. The Chargers stop the run most of the game, we only had a few good runs in the 4th quarter and OT. When we got in second and third and long the Chargers came after Cassel. When we mixed it up we looked pretty good. B- Rich is all we have for now, we need to upgrade next year.

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 1, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Busted off some good runs against tough D in OT.

But I do think that KC needs to use the pass to control the clock and move the sticks early. I also think they need to challenge the edges with Battle earlier and oftener.

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by hmills110 on Nov 2, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Marcus McNeils score looks like?

Great for Casey especially in a tough matchup for him against one of the better and more physical NTs in the league.

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by GenericBrand on Nov 1, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

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