Chiefs vs Chargers: What I Saw

by Casey Byron Adkins on Nov 1, 2011 1:39 AM CDT

Another game, another victory. Another game, another week Todd Haley doesn't get to shave.

This game was ugly but I will take ugly over a loss any day of the week.

Now my thoughts...

The Officiating Blew- Dex was on the damn ground before the ball came out. Matt Cassel's arm was going forward (Tuck Rule). That two point conversion should not have worked as the receiver did not have complete possession of the ball when he crossed it. Tamba was being held every play (happens in every game) and there was a clear facemask when Jackie Battle was tackled. I was almost sure this game was rigged and still do (The Chiefs didn't cover).
Play Calling needs to be changed- It is taking WAY too long to get plays in. It needs to go through two people and no more. Send it from Muir to Haley to Cassel. Too many stalls thanks to this. Get it fixed.
The Chargers are still Chokers- All the Chiefs mistakes and they still lost. When they were in range, Phyllis Rivers finds a way to lose. When they got the ball back in OT, they go 3 and Out. A good team would take that chance and drive down field to win. I knew going into this that the Chargers were not going to win due to the history they have with big games. AFC Championship and couldn't get it done, last year against the damn Bungles with the AFC West Championship on the line and now this game.
Matt Cassel is clutch- Yep I said it. When you need him to drive down the field to win, he will do it. Talk about passion. When we needed him to put this team on his back, he will do his best and 7 out of 10 times, he will win. He drove this team in OT to get the win. He had his best day as a Chief against the Colts after being down 17-0. He may not have fancy numbers but when he is on the field and fired up, the whole team reacts.
Comical- One of the moments I found funny was during the fumble recovery. The refs are digging through the pile and Andy Studebaker is three yards back with the ball. Kind of OT but I had to say it.
Rivers is still a crybaby- You want to cry, get the hell out. Phillip Rivers showed exactly why he is not elite. When you complain about every damn touch, you are not elite. Hell even Blaine Gabbert took blame for the loss and he is rookie. I knew he was going to lose it but damn. "Worst day ever." Yep it was the worst day ever to be a Chargers fan. You had the chance to finish the game off and you choke.

Any other win we get from here on out is gravy. To go from 0-3 to 4-3 is just amazing.

Those so called "analysts" can kiss my skinny white behind. The fact is that the Chiefs were the better team. They went out there and won. They made their fair share of mistakes but they wanted the win.

Matt Cassel doubters should GTFO. That beautiful pass to Jonathon Baldwin was beautiful. He led this team to victory.

By the time I finish typing this it is going to be almost 600 words so I am going to finish with one last thing.

The Chiefs Will Win!!!

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Good points.

The playcalling should be Muir to Zorn to Cassel. My theory of whats happening is that Haley is veto’ing or holding Muirs hand too much in the play calling because for whatever reason he doesnt want to just take over and wants to continue with this “everyone is in on the gameplanning” mentality. The problem with it is they aren’t getting the plays in fast enough. Blame it on some mystery technical issues with the headset all you want, I hardly doubt the technical issues were there the whole game. something is up.

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by GenericBrand on Nov 1, 2011 1:54 AM CDT reply actions

No kidding

That was really driving me nuts last night. It seemed to have gotten better in recent weeks, but last night was awful. Haley MUST address that…right before he figures out some clock management strategies.

by SCKSChief on Nov 1, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions

The Refs missed calls on both sides

that is something that just needs to be fixed league wide. Cassel did impress me a lot this game. He actually stepped up into the pocket several times and was on target. He also ran and go first downs for us. He showed a lot of heart. There are still going to be haters but that’s to be expected. Rec’d

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by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 1, 2011 2:10 AM CDT reply actions

The thing is

that the refs have access to the exact same stuff the fans at home do. When they reviewed the fumble, you could see Dex hit the ground before the ball came loose. And when a similar situation happened to SD, the refs gave it to them. I hope that this gets fixed because Tamba being held in clear view of the refs is nuts. I counted at least 20 times.

by Casey Byron Adkins on Nov 1, 2011 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions

The tuck rule only applies when the QB brings the ball back to his side after making a throwing motion

That was clearly a fumble,no question about it.As far as the officiating goes,I saw more bad calls against SD than the Chiefs.That personal foul against Weddle was very ticky tack,as was those 2 offensive PI calls 1 of which took away a TD.Yes,that fumble call against Dex was BS,but lets not make excuses.Cassel drove us down for the scores when it counted,I will give him that.But I don’t know if it makes up for all the 3 and outs and turnovers he had all game.If Rivers handled that snap(which was 1 of the craziest gaffs i’ve ever seen),what are we talking about today?So lets have some perspective.

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 1, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm with you partially on some things.

1) Yes, the 2-point conversion was legal. The play was over, and the ball was dead as soon as he broke the plane of the goal line with possession of the ball – even if only for a split second. Just like it would be if it was being run in. He didn’t have to maintain possession after breaking the plane, and thence going to the ground; again, just as it would be if it was being run in. I mean, its completed even if the ball was still wiggling a bit between his chest and his forearms/hands as soon as he broke the plane on a basket catch. Any objective human can’t split hairs down that thin even with slow-motion replay. I’ll give it to any Chiefs receiver everytime, and I’ll give it to anybody else everytime. Just as long as its consistent, fair is fair.

CATCH
A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 8-1-3).
Note 3: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.
Note 1: It is a catch if in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to the ball touching the ground and that control is maintained after the ball has touched the ground.
Note 2: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, and there is contact by a defender causing the ball to come loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.

http://www.blogandtackle.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011NFLRuleBook.pdf

2) Yes, Cassel fumbled. His arm wasn’t going forward at all, even if he flicked his hand upward, and thus getting any movement of the ball in the air before hitting the ground. The “Tuck Rule” is only applicable if both his ARM and HAND were going forward. It would’ve only been an incomplete forward pass if BOTH his ARM and HAND were going forward simultaneously. MC might have flicked his hand UPWARD, but it was not forward. And we better be happy its still legal for a defender to touch the QB’s arm while its lasts. I’m sure Goodell, the Owners, and the Players Union will change that so a defender can’t touch the QB’s arm at ALL because it might HURT the QB’s elbow, wrist, hand and/or shoulder … by next season at the latest I’m sure.

Note 1: When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or the ball after forward movement begins, and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player.
Note 2: When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.
Note 3: If the player loses possession of the ball while attempting to recock his arm, it is a fumble.
Note 4: A fumble or muff going forward is disregarded as to its direction, unless the act is ruled intentional. In such cases, the fumble is a forward pass (8-1-1) and the muff is a bat (12-1-8).

http://www.blogandtackle.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011NFLRuleBook.pdf

3) The Dex fumble call being upheld on review was an ABOMINATION!

4) The offensive PI’s were whatever??? Both players were hand-fighting each other. As Chucky says: let the players play! The personal foul against Weddle is just another example of football going to crap. If you’re a DB or a LB’er, you can’t really hit the receiver anymore in order to separate him from the ball; this is sad for the defenders. As Chucky said: “What? Are we supposed to let the receiver fair-catch the ball now?” Obviously, apparently. Maybe we should hang a towel on the receiver the defender has to yank off for the tackle?

5) There’s technically holding going on all the time between the defenders and blockers in the trenches from everybody, against everybody, on every team, every damn game. An arm across Tamba’s chest isn’t holding … unless the blocker grabs/clenches his jersey, pants, facemask, or body part. If the blocker is “palm-handling” trying to use leverage to slow him down, or redirect, its NOT holding. So seeing an O-lineman’s hand and arm across any rushers chest isn’t automatically holding.

6) Tamba, Haley, and no other players nor coaches, complain about the lack of holding calls after the game to anyone – because they know what goes on, and its a part of the game. Unless its blatant and flagrant, let the players play.

So I’m not going to bitch, whine and moan about the game either – if Rivers isn’t allowed to. LOL! ;=) We got a win, and that’s all that matters now.

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by LocoLoboChico on Nov 1, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Good points

Tamba and McNeil were in war all game,both got the better each other often.I would grade it 50/50,Hali did get 2 sacks and some pressures.He was also neutralized quite often.I thought Mcneil did an ok job against him most of the night.I will say ,Hali is relentless and i would consider him 1 of the elite pass rushers in the league.He is however our only consistent pass rusher.Houston,Studebaker,and Scheffield offer nothing in terms of a pass rush.it is a major problem going forward.Cassel made plays when it counted,but he has to move the ball better.The last 2 games ,the defense forced 8 turnovers(that weren’t returned for scores) but our offense only managed 1 or 2 td’s off of those,that is unaccetable .I’m with you a win is a win,but this team needs to improve in a lot of areas.We get Miami on a short week,i’m worried it could be a trap game.

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 1, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions

For the 2pt conversion how can the play be over if he technically hasn't caught the ball?

It’s just like a player being in the endzone, he hadn’t completed the process of the catch, it wasn’t actually a catch according to note 1 in the above.
For holding, if the player encircles the other player with their arm (like the chokeholds that Tamba gets) then that is holding.

by Chief Fan NZ on Nov 1, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Because he had posestion before he crossed the plain

Thus,it wouldn’t matter if it moved on the ground afterwards just so long he had control before it hit the ground.If any part of that ball grazes the goal line it is a TD.
As far as holding goes,you can call that on every play.So it can be subjective to call.

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Nov 1, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions

People are going to see what they want to see, lol.

Anything above the collarbone is a “chokehold/clotheslining.” I very rarely, if ever see, Tamba being choked or clotheslined. If that happens, Tamba, and the rest of the team, should smash anyone that does that to bloody chunks and bits, and feed’em to the pigs. Encircling is reaching over and grabbing/clenching the opposite shoulder or arm, or both shoulders/arms, by the blocker with both arms/hands and spinning the defender around, and/or down to the ground, or reaching around from behind and grabbing on anywhere; its a form of holding and trying to tackle basically. And yes, I guess it can also include a chokehold.

Palm-handling is slamming your arm against and across his tits with pressure from your hand, fingers and arm (not grabbing/clenching/grasping/holding), and using leverage to slow the rusher down, or redirect. Or, when blocking up squarely, you jam both your hands right into his tits, arm pits, sternum, or shoulders, and drive him anyway and anywhere you can. And you can also hand-punch/strike him to knock the rusher off balance as long as its above the waist, below his collarbone, or to his shoulders. Its not holding as long the blocker doesn’t grab him or clench him anywhere at any point.

Yes, if the blocker just threw his arm out there and nailed the rusher in the throat or across the facemask, that would be hooking technically speaking (clotheslining is what we called it when we used to do it to each other, heh) and a penalty. And of course a chokehold is. And a blocker can cut block too, but not chop-bock anymore. You can strike or push/shove a rusher anywhere from any angle—that’s still facing him that is—as long its below the collarbone, or outside to the shoulders.

As for the conversion, I interpret it this way using Note 3:

If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

I don’t think the guy was obviously still juggling it when it broke the plane. At the moment he broke the plane with the ball tucked in trying to control a basket catch, the conversion was completed, the play was completed, and the ball was dead. It does not matter if he OBVIOUSLY was struggling to control the ball on his way down to the ground after being shoved back and tackled by the defender outside of the goal line.

Its a tough call, and a tough rule to interpret in this particular situation, both on the field, and in the booth. You have a right to see what you see and apply and interpret which rule you want. And so do I. I just want to see it called consistently on the field, AND on the review, one way or the other.

by LocoLoboChico on Nov 1, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree with pretty much everything you have here

only minor thing is that i assume when you say that chiefs didn’t cover, that meant they didn’t cover spread. they actually did cover spread since they were around 4 point underdog in game. The officiating was atrocious most of this game, especially that Dex fumble

by kholdstare1 on Nov 1, 2011 2:40 AM CDT reply actions

both calls were turrible

If they are gonna let the dex fumble stand due to lack of evidence there is NO way that there was enough for the Cassel play to be reversed.

by Chief Fan NZ on Nov 1, 2011 4:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs

Yup those refs are pretty awful, no question. Dex was definitely down, Cassel didn't fumble, and the lack of holding calls against Hali is just comical.

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by 5280ChiefsFan on Nov 1, 2011 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions

Rec for using "turrible"

They WERE turrible! LOL

by SCKSChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions

When you need him to drive down the field to win, he will do it.

Like the first San Diego game? Wasn’t going to say anything, but the “GTFO” comment was just too ridiculous. Other than that, nice job.

One of the biggest blown calls of the game from my point of view was the no-call pass interference in OT. Luckily Breaston came up huge and it didn’t matter, and that really showed the difference between the two teams.

Hali’s still getting held plenty more than what is being called, but at least they’re flagging it more.The rule should be changed to result in a loss of down since they would have almost always ended with a sack.

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by JComp11 on Nov 1, 2011 8:30 AM CDT reply actions

Or the last Chiefs drive in regulation?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed on the first part

He came through on his second chance, and he looked GREAT doing it.

But he did make a terrible throw on his first chance (although, to be fair, he was marching us down the field). Did he get bumped on the play? Because it looked very different from the throws he was making for most of the night.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions

Wiegmann got worked by the NT and was pushed into Cassel

As Cassel was stepping forward into his throwing motion, it forced the release to come too high / early in the throw, and resulted in it floating.

Wiegmann’s fault for not being able to hold any ground at all.

And Cassel’s fault for not seeing it and sliding around it. (Though to be fair to the guy, the timing of it happening would have made it pretty hard to do – but if you want to be a starting QB in the NFL, you need to do things that are pretty hard to do).

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, I'm curious about that

If that’s what happened, it’s forgivable. He was already in the process of throwing, no time to slide.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Haven’t seen a replay so I couldn’t say. I can only remember one drive where accuracy was really the issue. Lack of a running game is the reason that game was even close. I wish they’d give McClain all of Dexter’s carries, though. Also didn’t have much of an issue with play-calling last night, either, other than Dex getting the ball at the end before the FG to win. Why give the ball to the smallest guy on the team? That didn’t make much sense.

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by JComp11 on Nov 1, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed

Given the direction our offense is headed (with Baldwin looking ready to provide a legitimate deep threat), I think they need to re-revise Dex’s role back to what they originally envisioned for him, running short routes underneath and the occasional screen to keep defenses honest and provde a decent bailout option.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 1, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions

Seemed to work pretty well in OT.

by Archyrr on Nov 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions

They need to revises Dex’s role to what it should be: KR/PR and maybe an occasional offensive play.

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by JComp11 on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions

I like him as a quick receiver if its out of the backfield, from motion, or the slot

He should have some returns but at the same time I wouldn’t take those away from Arenas, who IMO is better

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not a Cassel hater nor believer.. I believe we could have a worse QB but we need an upgrade

We really need to work on the offense, defense started off great but then they were out there wayyyyy too long again.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 9:05 AM CDT reply actions

Maybe the replay will be different, but that’s the best I can recall any Chiefs D Line playing since I can remember. They were lights out the ENTIRE game. McGraw continues to be a weak spot and several big plays really helped their stats, but I thought the defense was great.

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by JComp11 on Nov 1, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions

The Dline did play quite well, it just seemed(in my drunken stupor anyways) that yet again the defense

started off lights out then without getting many breathers, we started giving big cushions and missing assignments in the passing game, which almost came back to bite us in the rear

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Just ZERO pass rush

That is SOOOO annoying. Why can’t an NFL team get any pressure on a consistent basis? When there is no Tamba (yes, I know he’s held routinely), there is no pressure…unless they send DJ. This MUST change. Eventually a DE is going to have to figure out how to get off a block and rush the passer. It just has to happen.

by SCKSChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions

How many times was Houston sent after the QB? I saw him only a few times, he dropped back a few as well

It’s not only the pass rush, there were times when the RB was wide open under neath with no one close to him in the second half.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions

I know

But when you choose to double Gates, you leave someone (RB) wide open, especially with all the man we were running. Overall, Iiked the strategy. Just thought we could have changed it up occasionally to throw a few curve balls.

by SCKSChief on Nov 1, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Well on one play the RB snuck out of protection and went into an empty zone, everyone dropped back

That is a mistake(likely put on Houston as he was the first player to meet the RB). I’ll prolly rewatch the game and see how many times Houston came after the QB, still seems like we are not giving him enough chances, when everyone knows at this point it’s take out Hali and the QB has all day in the pocket

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions

Something isn't right

If Hali gets stonewalled (rather, held), there is nothing going on. NOTHING.

by SCKSChief on Nov 1, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Especially when our second best pass rushing OLB/DE is... 10 yards down field in coverage

I did love seeing DJ in a ‘spy’ more for this game, led to him being in great positions. Seeing tight coverage on the outside forced Rivers to continue in his progression, if we had someone else able to get after Rivers we would have had an even better showing out there IMO. Overall the defense is really stepping up, still have to get things kinked out though.

I would love to see Stude in Belchers SILB spot, Houston at SOLB and then bring 5(Hali/Dorsey/Gregg/Jackson/Houston) at the snap

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions

I would love to see us blitzing more often...

Our pass rush is quite conservative… and it will probably stay that way with dangerous QB’s. We might put more pressure on the Dolphins and Donkeys. Though we will come back to a conservative defense once we face New England and Green Bay. If we had Eric Berry back at Safety this might be slightly different. With the LImitations that we have in McGraw and Sabby blitzing heavily will eventually give up big plays.

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by ravenhawk on Nov 1, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Well it's not only that but we still drop Houston often when he gets in the game in subpackages

He SHOULD be going after the QB with Tamba, not dropping back.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions

I like the idea of Studebaker inside

Would be much more smooth in pass coverage. We have to find some pass rush somewhere. This is going to get real old, real quick if something doesn’t change.

by SCKSChief on Nov 1, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah it will be a problem, I do like how the Steelers attacked New England

A lot like our game plan was for Rivers, man up most of the time and contest every catch.. there were some mistakes and some big gains but it was a good showing keeping Rivers without a TD

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes, its been horrible losing Berry all the way around.

We can’t send him on the blitz, and we have no other S’ties that has the juice to blitz either. So that’s out I guess. Hmm, but I don’t notice Arenas blitzing anymore either, which is troubling. But I guess with missing Berry, Romeo isn’t going to risk DB blitzes at all now. Both Berry and Arenas were very effective at that last season. Damn, we need a ballin 3rd S’ty next season for nickel/dime, and depth.

by LocoLoboChico on Nov 1, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions

Couldn't send Arenas on Monday

because we were locked up on the outside and doubling Gates. That package will come back, when we aren’t playing an elite QB…or if we ever find four guys that can rush the passer. I think the first is more likely.

by SCKSChief on Nov 2, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes ...

but I LOVED Crime Dog and Houston (or was it Hot Rod?) mugging the hell out of Gates the first 5 yards. That’s how you take a star TE out of the game. Take that mofo down and sit on him! Or have Houston knock the hell out of the TE or RB on his way after the QB – like Rexy had Jason Taylor doing to Gronk last year in the playoffs.

And I was STUNNED, AMAZED and LOVED that Romeo had Flowers playing press coverage and man later on again! That’s where Flowers excels against everybody! He can give any Oak Tree a battle all game when he’s allowed to play man, and thus maintain inside leverage all the time. Was Carr playing press and man too? I think he was? Keep this up Romeo! PLEASE!

by LocoLoboChico on Nov 1, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions

It was 47 and Daniels

They were on him like stink on shit too. It was good stuff. Until our pass rush gave Rivers 12 seconds and people started to work free.

by SCKSChief on Nov 2, 2011 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions

Carr played quite a bit of press as well

It really troubled Rivers with both outside WRs getting jammed and Gates being samished off the line

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions

Heh. Romeo is purty conservative when it comes to pass-rushing.

What I’ve noticed about Houston is his lack of pass-rushing moves the few times he is allowed to rush. He can’t shed the blocker and get to the QB. He tries running around them, running past them, or just kind’ve pushing and shoving around with the blocker when he’s locked up; this isn’t college anymore, Mr. Houston. Also, he just doesn’t look as explosive as he did in college. He looks more tentative, or more confused about what to do, or has this moment of hesitance in reading the play; I notice this with him playing the run too. He still has a lot to learn – like getting his head around to locate the ball in coverage, and play the ball, like Woodly does. But I’m with you and BAMF: DAMN IT! ROMEO! Have him rushing all the time in conjunction with Tamba! He’ll have to learn how to rush and blow up the BC and QB in the backfield, but set him free to do it.

As for Dorsey getting off blocks to penetrate, or Gilberry, or Bailey … well, heh??? Gilberry looks slower to me – because of his weight gain possibly? Bailey is an athlete, but still very raw. I can only hope he’ll learn the techniques and become the stud he can be with the athletic talent he has. According to Kalo, Dorsey is supposed to be a penetrator, but he can’t get off blocks either because of lack of a few key techniques. He still wants to shoot the gap unabated like he did starting out here, and in college, as a DT. Although, I did notice at least one snap where Dorsey was on the SS; and the same with Tamba with being on the SS. Romeo was mixing up looks and player packages a lot. Gregg can still bull-rush a bit, and T-Jax has his moments, but still inconsistent at it, imo. But T-Jax is solid at anchoring and controlling his gaps against the run now, though. He’s a lot thinner and more solid than last year, too.

And, like BAMF, I’d like to see Hot Rod the Stud get a chance at being the full-time SILB. I’d like to see if he could hit the holes and gaps quicker than Beat Down Belcher; read his keys better pre-snap (so as not to be late and having to try diving tackles, and taking bad angles because he can’t hit the right gap quickly enough at the snap) better than Beat Down; make the wrap-up tackle better; have the lateral speed to pursue across the backside and seal off the sidelines; and the awareness to see the cutback lanes while doing so and plug those; shoot gaps quicker and blow up the play in the backfield. I already know he’s better in coverage than Beat Down.

Ahhh … a poor Chiefs dude like me can fantasize! But that’s about it!

by LocoLoboChico on Nov 1, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions

One other thing I would like the defense to try out at least once

Swapping Tjax to RDE with Hali outside of him, Dorsey at LDE, Gregg shifts over to a 1 tech taking the C/RG.

Hali would still get the LT, Tjax would get the LG, Gregg would get C/RG, Dorsey RT possibly RG. Tjax has been able to hold his ground well lately along with showing a good bullrush, hopefully would allow Dorsey to penetrate rather than holding his ground letting Hali do his thing

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions

TJax is showing the beginnings of a pro sized bullrush and swim move

I hope he hasn’t reached his ceiling yet. I’d love to see even more improvement.

Granted in a perfect world he’d morph into our own Haloti Ngata (did I mention my unhealthy player/mancrush?), but I’m pretty happy with his progress – especially considering the injury setback last year.

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by TRSChief on Nov 2, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions

To my eyes swapping Tjax and Dorsey would(should) net more pressure

When sending the front 3+Hali

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 2, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions

what game were you watching

if you think the Chiefs need to upgrade at QB. We need to work on our play calling.

by rdlvegas85 on Nov 1, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Uh all but like 2 drives?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Best. Day. Ever.

by Tomahawk29 on Nov 1, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions

Have to admit he is the best QB in the division as has played as a top QB

Can’t stand his babyness though

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions

I remember Rivers dismantling KU in a bowl game and was a whiny Bee-itch even then.

Even in college Rivers seemed like a whiny dickhead to me. I’m looking forward to his complete meltdown… I’m guessing full on Ryan Leaf with a side of Hal McRae.

by fishbowl72 on Nov 1, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions

I love the people who are like 'Rivers is just proud and firey and a competitor'

Uh.. no he throws childish fits like last years opener on MNF where he would kick the ball after mistakes… Cry to the refs when he can’t complete a pass..

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 1, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions

He is proud and fiery and a competitor.

He just hasn’t learned how to handle those emotions like a grown man.

I can’t knock him for being very competitive and laying it all out to try to win. But the emotional outbursts are more akin to a pre-teen being told he can’t play Xbox for the next month, than what you’d expect from a grown man and father of 6, especially in public.

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by TRSChief on Nov 1, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions