Chiefs Beat Raiders: Five Bad Stats
by Joel Thorman on Oct 24, 2011 1:13 PM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Oakland Raiders 28-0 on Sunday and we've already looked at five good stats from that game. (Note: I wrote in that story that the Raiders didn't have any kick or punt returns in the game but I was clearly wrong. Not sure what I was looking at there.)
With five good stats out of the way, here are five bad stats, which are easier to swallow after a loss.
50. Matt Cassel's completion percentage. He's sort of the victim of his own success lately. He had completed nearly 70 percent of his passes in the last three games and hasn't gone under 60 percent all season but on Sunday he was just 15-of-30. It wasn't a great day for Cassel (still, it could've been worse).
2. Matt Cassel interceptions. I bet the Chiefs lose eight of 10 games Cassel throws two picks. (And, to be fair, one pick came on a last second hail mary at the end of the first half that meant nothing) The Chiefs just can't turn the ball over and win very often. Todd Haley knows that and noted it in his postgame press conference. The interceptions meant nothing in this game but overall the Chiefs can't win very often with multiple turnovers.
99. Yards by Michael Bush. Whether it was Bush or Darren McFadden, the Chiefs knew they had to stop the Raiders running game. They stopped it enough -- especially that goal line stand -- but Bush was still able to put up 99 yards on 17 carries.
19. Carries given to Dexter McCluster and Thomas Jones. Clearly this wasn't working very well -- they combined for 57 yards on these 19 carries. I hate to be this basic about it but McCluster just seems too small to take 10 or more carries in a game. Jones, on the other hand, seems to have the size but he seems about done in the league. Moving forward, Jackie Battle should have more carries than these two combined until he proves he can't handle it.
0. Players or coaches that talked trash to the Raiders in the media after the game. C'mon guys, not even a little trash talking? (Yes, I'm being sarcastic).
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Re: Cassel's 1st INT
Pleasantly surprised he could throw all the way to end zone. And it only took him 2 crow hops!
What happened was
I had an old set of stats from the middle of the game that hadn’t been updated and made a note to have the no kick/punt return thing as one of the five good stats. Never went back to confirm that.
Hell yes!
Moving forward, Jackie Battle should have more carries than these two combined until he proves he can’t handle it.
Preach it, brother! In a game where we never trailed and he was averaging close to 5 yards per carry, Battle should have gotten the ball more than 16 times.
I couldn’t have been more wrong about Jackie Battle going into this season and, considering our current running back situation, I couldn’t be happier about that fact.
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couldn't agree more
He needs 18-20 carries from here on out, wouldn’t be upset with even more than that but I’ll take that for now
by I need more Esteban on Oct 24, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I've always thought that with rivalry games, stats go out the window
when KC wins a rivalry game 28-0 on the road… I don’t care if they had 0 yds offense… it was a dominating win, period.
The QB will continue to keep this team from reaching its full capabilities
The QB will continue to keep this team from reaching its full capabilities
The d looks unbelievable
The oline looks legit and we have reason to believe they’ll continue to improve
RB’s look good enough (save two yard Thomas) to get it done even without our ProBowl back
WR’s look damn good
The weak link continues to me the man under center.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 24, 2011 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
if that 'weak link' continues to be under center, and the Chiefs win the way they have the last 3 games
I’m happy
by stagdsp on Oct 24, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I will not be, Cassel is bringing back memories of Bono lead teams
no future in that.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Oct 24, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The O line sucks
The Raiders D line pushed the O line around. If we are going to be a playoff team next year we are going to need to make upgrades with Casey, B- Rich and Lilja. Cassel is solid, he just needs players to do their jobs and the coaches to call better plays.
..at least Casey's upgrade is already on the roster.
I like how they are grooming Hudson from the bench. Worked out pretty well for Asamoah.
agreed
You are right about Asamoah and I hope your right about Hudson. I still would like to see
Hudson get some playing time.
139 rushing yards and no sacks and the oline sucks?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 24, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
LOL
To be fair, there was not much going on in the run game. We popped some bigger ones late, but it wasn’t consistent. That is the most misleading 139 rushing yards ever. I’m not going to say they “sucked”, but the rushing game, for the most part, was pretty under-whelming.
Battle ran the ball well all game
But wasn’t getting consistent touches. Did he have any carries under 3 yards at all?
I don’t understand why we didn’t grind them down more with Battle and McClain in the 2nd half. It was working.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I know he had a couple of two yard carries
But he always gained yards, Jones in particular lost yards (or gained no yards) on a lot of his carries. The dude is done in league.
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 24, 2011 4:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats why conditioning is so important.
HAley may very well have been right about the preseason
"Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys!"
Can't say that until we see how we're finishing games compared to other teams as the season goes on.
I think he got a little carried away myself but he may have had a good point.
by bamachief5558 on Oct 24, 2011 3:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Sure we can
The immediate results from the Pre-season showed a team that had no sense of itself or football. It also showed a team that appeared to be slower and dumber than any other team out there. Sure, the guys seem to have gained traction and started playing better, but that certainly (at this point in the season) reflects NOTHING of the pre-season preparation.
well, i think he means
that we will probably never take that next step until we can be the hammer, on every down. i happen to agree, although i’m pleased with how they are holding up right now.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
????
“The O line sucks
The Raiders D line pushed the O line around."
The game I saw had an o-line hold its own against a very good front 7 and not allow a single sack from a D that had 10 prior the the game I watched. Glade I wasn’t watching your game!
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
Shocker
Clearly sanchize or Freeman would have this team at 5-1. I forgot. Do you not believe Cassels been 1 of the main reasons this team is no in place to fight for the division? How is coming back from0-3 to 3-3 holding us back? Chemistry w Bowe is crazy good Breaston and him are getting good and now Baldwins in the mix. How is this a recipe for anything but progression givin our teams current growth. ENJOY IT!
by KCinIL on Oct 24, 2011 2:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Read the headline, "Five Bad Stats" a section to discuss where the Chiefs were/are lacking
The QB continues to be a liability. He is balied out by WRs that continue to get it done. Every single aspect of this team, from the dline to the secondary from the interior linemen to the wideouts is playing well and all are being held back by a grossly below average QB.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
You should look at the OL breakdown for this week
And the week before, and the week before, and so on. I don’t recall any qb in the league right now doing well w just 1 legitimate receiving target. First 2-3 games that’s all we had. They kept breaston “in the wing” and didn’t get his shot till recently. It’s amazing at what options does for a qb. Your always gonna say he’s a liability. We can run off the next 9 and you’ll find every reason not to give em credit.
by KCinIL on Oct 24, 2011 2:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe it wasn't on the coaches
as far as Breaston’s involvement. Could easily have been on #7 and his locking onto Bowe for two weeks.
And since you decided to go there...
I’ll remind you that Sanchez succesfully brought the Jets back against San Diego yesterday. Didn’t shit the bed by throwing one of the worst INTs you’ll ever see with the game on the line.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Yeah how's he doin this season?
And Freeman? Oh that’s right.
by KCinIL on Oct 24, 2011 2:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd take Freeman over Cassel 100 times out of 100
Crap, I’d trade Cassel and our 2nd round pick from next year for Freeman.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
In a heartbeat
After seeing the throws Palmer CAN make on such short notice, I’d trade Cassel for Palmer.
I may get killed for that, but I don’t care. The man can make throws Cassel can’t.
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 24, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you
Palmer had no zip, but he was on the couch last week.
When #7 wants to throw hard…it looks like his head is going to explode.
Really, how's Sanchez doing?
Well he has 1 more win, 4 more TD’s, and 1 fewer INTs than our guy under center. He also has a higher QB rating and more yards but he has played 1 more game. But hey, maybe KCQB#7 will throw for 439 yards on Monday and keep pace with him.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
The only way McCluster and Jones should get more carries than Battle combined
is if they can put Jones’ arms on McCluster’s body so he can break tackles
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Cause those arms are helping TJ break so many tackles now huh??
Jones is junk and McCluster is looking like a wasted 2nd rounder, let battle get 25-30 carries one game and see what we got.
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time to put 2-yard Thomas out to pasture.
Dude is good for victory formation kneel downs & that’s about it.
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by reedeasy on Oct 24, 2011 1:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
McCluster doesn't need more/less touches,
but different touches IMO. Too many sleight of hand/ tricky plays. Just run behind the line and a FB. Let him find seams and make cuts.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 24, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think we are all forgetting
that McCluster is a running back. He hit Alabama for 130+ yards in college and Bama was the national champs that year. run the man out of running formations that normal running backs run with. Sheesh.
If he doesnt get scraped by a fingernail ,he can go the distance every time.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Oct 24, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He averages over 3 yards after contact.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Yeah, not sure why people keep repeating that meme like they think it's true
He’s a slippery little guy. Sure you can bring him down if you can get a grip on him. But he slips out quite a bit.
We Don't Hear The Hate
Much better at yards after contact than TJ
People hear something, then repeat it, and on it goes…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
What games have you been watching
I saw him get tackled for loss several time yesterday alone.He is only averaging 3.1 yards a reception.The last 3 games,he is only averaging 3.4 yards a carry.Take out his 13 yard and 14 yard runs(1 a piece) and he only is averaging 2.1 yards per attempt.Face the facts ,he isn’t strong enough to be effective on a consistent basis.For every 15 + yard run he gets,you get 4 for little or no gain.He is a all or nothing player,and he has reaffirmed why I was against him going that high in the 2010 draft.I know Pioli picked him ,so you will defend him to the end.But I haven’t seen a real impact from him ,especially recently. His lone claim to fame was a punt return TD in the opening game last year.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Oct 24, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Dex is extremely talented.
I don’t think the coaches are utilizing him correctly. Argue all you want, but there’s no doubt about the dude’s talent.
See: Darren Sproles. He is WAY better with the Saints than he was with the Chargers.
by bamachief5558 on Oct 24, 2011 3:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sproles is at least 20 lbs heavier
He is also very strong,if you try to arm tackle him he will tear your arm off.McCluster has talent, but he is a lot more limited than Sproles.He goes down to easy
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Oct 24, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I just wish we'd stop passing to him behind the LOS.
That and the obvious plays are killing me.
Winning is the deoderant that covers everything that stinks
A win is a win,and you should celebrate them ,because they are hard to come by.But there are more than 5 stats that concern me in this game.
(1.) 8,that is how many times our backs were tackled for a loss.Compare that to 2 times we stuffed there backs behind the line.
(2) 5.4 Y/A out of the passing game from Cassel.He still struggles to throw down the field.He also had a dismal 38.2 passer rating
(3) 55 seconds,2 time outs remaind at the end of the half after Carr’s INT.But bad clock management reared its ugly head again and the Chiefs couldn’t take advantage of the turnover.
(4) 1 TD from 4 int’s not returned for scores.The only TD we got off those was a Mclain fumble in the end zone that was recovered by Ashamoah.
(5) 5.7 YPC by Oaklands backs.KC only averaged 3.6 YPC
(6)1 sack by Gregg when Boller ran into him.No player other than Hali looks like they can rush the passer on a consistent basis
This was a big win for this team yesterday.But don’t kid yourself,there is a lot to clean up moving forward.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Oct 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Just because Arenas ran a TD in from the wildcat
Doesn’t make it a return.
Just sayin…
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for the "link challenged" among us
that says Arenas is #3 in the league in Punt Return Average
however, Dex is #34, and Arenas #38 in Kickoff Return Average… so plenty of room for improvement there
your claim needs clarification...
the KICKOFF return game is awful
the PUNT return game is pretty doggone good
rec'd for pointing out the end of the first half fail
has Haley been asked about that yet? That was Herm-esque
Ahem...
1. Perhaps that is why Battle did not get more touches. Good game planning and adjustments
2. Might have more to do with YAC and the Oakland d-backs playing center field (Cassel mentioned that in his presser).
3. And if there was a turnover we would all be griping about not taking a knee. Momentum was preserved; good call.
4. We were also 1 TD away from 2 ints returned for scores. (?)
5. Meh, one break away skewed the stat. The standard deviation of the average or median is quite high.
6. I think you are criticizing a trait of the 3-4. TJ looked pretty good.
If you accuse me of being a half-full glass kinda guy, I’m guilty.
"Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys!"
McCluster
The amount of touches aren’t the problem…
They type of touches ARE the problem…we need to get him the ball where he is at his best, in space.
3rd and 4: we hand to Dex of tackle, thankfully we make it, but damn…give it to Battle.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
yeah i remember one play, 3rd and short, and they gave it to him…i think he got it, but barely. Dex did good on a few draws though.
he does well on the occasional draw
but, it has to be a surprise for it to work.
the swing pass in the backfield, or the delayed fake-end-around draw usually looks like a loss of yards
Hence the problem
There are only about 6 plays where he has a chance to be really effective.His lack of size is a major limitation.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Oct 24, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I personally feel we are waisting his talents at RB he is clearly a way better Receiver. If he gets the ball in space he is deadly, but if he has to make the space forgettaboutit. His best plays earlier this season have been on WR, where he belongs.
I’m a Cassel fan, relatively speaking. But he missed some reads again. There were a few times he wanted to go one way, and he did, regardless of the coverage. He shouldn’t have thrown the last heave to the end zone, because we wasted too much time previous to that play. The wheel route to DMC was a waste. That was such a nice drive we had going. Then he forced that pass, and it was over. Also, Pope dropped an easy pass when the team was trying to get out of their end zone.
Why
hasnt Haley gotten Battle in the end zone. Two opportunities and both times the ball went to a different number. I think they are doing this because they dont want to pay him next year. Thats the same way they did JC. I may be just pissed because I started Battle on my fantasy team only to see McClain get his TD. What do you all think?
by Givemethatmoney on Oct 24, 2011 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think contract size is a big concern with Battle at this point.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
FB from the 1 isn't so strange..
But I did think it was weird that they got down inside the 10 and handed it off to… Javier Arenas? Good play though..
by bamachief5558 on Oct 24, 2011 4:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I didn't see who had the ball till the replay...
Then I was laughing that it was Arenas.
McCluster too small to take 10 or more carries? You think he gets worn down?
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