Bengals, Raiders Getting Close To Carson Palmer Trade
by Joel Thorman on Oct 18, 2011 9:22 AM CDT
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PrintThe Oakland Raiders are hosting the Kansas City Chiefs this weekend and after losing Jason Campbell to a broken collarbone in Week 6, the Raiders have been looking for a number of quarterbacks. Reportedly, they reached out to guys like Carson Palmer, Todd Collins and plan to work out Todd Bouman.
The big name in that group is Palmer, the quarterback who told the Cincinnati Bengals last summer that he would retire if the team didin't trade him. The thinking was that the Bengals would hold firm and refuse to trade him.
That was the thinking until the Raiders apparently offered a first round pick for his services. Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that the Bengals and Raiders are nearing a deal that would send Palmer to Oakland for a 2012 first round pick. ESPN's Chris Mortensen follows it up saying it also involves a 2013 conditional pick that could turn into another first rounder with incentives and playing time.
Wow.
This would be a stunning move if it happens (and it sounds like it will). Still, it's hard to see Palmer playing this weekend against the Chiefs, or at least being effective, considering he hasn't been on the practice field with an NFL team since since the end of the 2010 season.
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This doesn't scare me too much.
He really hasn’t been an effective NFL quarterback since his surgery. That and the fact that they could be dropping two first round picks for him…
Agreed but they don't have any 1st rounders
Good things is the Raiders will suck down the road given up all their 1st in future years
And if they have a legit QB for years?
Palmer is only a few years older than the chump we’re stuck with
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
So you're saying Palmer played at a higher level than Cassel the last few years?
Completely disagree. Before his surgery was one thing, but afterwards he did absolutely nothing. Not like he’s just surrounded with weapons in Oakland anyway.
I think Palmer is better.
I thought last year that if Plamer was in Cassel’s spot last year thie offense would have been much better. He might not have had quite the same TD to Int ratio, but the passing game would have been much better.
I guess we will find out because Oakland has a great ruynning game, and I think Plamer makes them a better team.
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I always thought Palmer was a stud early on.
I think the past few years has been a bad situation for him having to deal with a bad team. Or a few bad players on the team anyway. Not saying the surgery didn’t hurt him, just saying Ocho Diloe and company made it hard on him IMO. I also think IMO, this is an upgrade for the Raiders. Hopefully not this week, but later in the season when Palmer gets it going.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
Not surrounded with weapons?
DHB has been looking awesome this year. Jacoby Ford ran up over a hundred yards against us last year. I would say Jacoby and DHB are as good as OCHO and Houshmanzadeh were
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
This just opens a window for success - albeit a somewhat small window
Kind of like a team that thinks they have all the pieces and just needs that one more to fill the perceived “gap”. Go and bet the farm that it’s true and hope for the best. They’ll have a window of time with Palmer and Seymour before they’re done… while DMC is still fast and semi-healthy, and maybe the WR corps can solidify, i.e., guys like Schilens get/stay healthy and DHB can chip the rest of the concrete off of his hands.
They will have a potent offense if Palmer pans out. They will have a solid front 7 against the run and a good pass rush.
Their secondary is still extremely questionable and their LBs are suspect against the pass. A good pass rush can help mitigate that to an extent.
Last but not least – Palmer will make his share of dumb mistakes, just like Cassel. Palmer is good, but I feel like he slipped from elite status a few years ago and never really got it back. So we’ll just have to see. Palmer isn’t done in this league and while I would prefer he came back to a team other than Oakland, I’m not going to shit the bed worrying about him being a world-beater there.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Betting the farm?
A 2012 1st rounder. Meh, that is not the farm. We have Tyson Jackson, a player that’s injured, for the last 2 years. If Palmer comes in and plays decent for 3 or 4 years, its well worth it.
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
If you consider what they have at their disposal and not looking at the Palmer trade in a vacuum
couple it with the Seymour trade and other picks they’ve given up.
They’re basically saying they won’t be pulling much from the draft next year and possibly the next – they’re betting that what they have now along with some supplementary players will be enough to get them where they’re going. If they can afford it, I would expect them to pursue a quality CB this offseason in an attempt to complete the puzzle.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Giving away all these draft picks is eventually going to catch up with Oakland
How many good players under 25 do they have right now?
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 18, 2011 9:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
If this trade goes through..
Will the Raiders have any draft picks in 2012… maybe a 7th rounder and some(or a) comp pick(s)?
Go Chiefs!!!!
This is a great move for the Raiders.
They are a better team than they were before.
Everybody says Palmer is washed up, but I think that is wrong. He is no longer a top 3 QB in the NFL, but still very good. People were saying last year he was bad, but in reality he was just bad for Palmer.
Last year he was 30 yards short of 4000 and had 26 TD. He threw 20 Int, but he was forceing a lot of balls because they were always losing.
Give him an excellent running game, and Plamer will shred you with play action.
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Agree, got to tip your hat to teams trying to make moves too
Raiders see they have an oppertunity to win the division and they’re going for it.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
The only reason he had almost 4000 yards was because he threw it so much.
He had the fourth most passing attempts in the NFL last year, so it’s not surprising he got a lot of yards.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Oct 18, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
But this is all new to him. He didn’t have an offseason to prepare and learn the playbook. Also he hasn’t even played with any NFL players since 2010 (that we know of). Whose he going to be throwing to? I guess he just has to throw it to the endzone every time and hope his speedsters can catch up to it.
I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.
by ChiefRoyal on Oct 18, 2011 9:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Palmer is washed up at all.
He is probably waiting for a chance to go into a ready made situation like the one in Oakland. This could make Oakland a very dangerous football team.
"The Hammer"
Agree, Palmer still has it
He was making chicken salad out of chicken shit in Cincinasty, will be interesting to see how he does with a real running game
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I hope he doesn't play this weekend.
I would rather see Boller than Palmer on 5 days notice.
I really think this gives Oakland the leg up on winning the division.
The running game will be very good, and Palmer will hit some big plays down field on play action.
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I don't think there's a chance he plays this weekend if he signs
No clue about the offense, scheme, calls, terminology… unfamiliar with WR’s, RB’s, O-line.
Anyone they’re looking for this week is either to provide depth or to be a future starter. In the case of Palmer, it’s looking for a future starter. In the case of Collins and others, it’s someone to provide depth and challenge Boller because you can’t expect Pryor to fill that role at this time.
If they snag Palmer, we don’t see him until our next game at home – and I can live with that.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, no way he plays this week.
But down the road, I think he makes Oakland a much better team. Palmer with a running game? To me that’s a scary thought.
"The Hammer"
He had a running game in Cincy last year and it didn't matter
He also had an outstanding WR corps, a good TE and a young, improving D.
Look at Cincy this year – other than dropping Johnson, TO and Palmer – what has changed? They ditched two WR’s and picked up Green, ditched Palmer and snagged Dalton. Other than that, not a whole helluva lot.
IMO Cincy looks much better as a team this year than they did last year and they’ve got a bright future.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
He was 6th in league in passing.
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Which solidifies my point
Your initial point was that he would now have a running game, implying that he didn’t last year. I was just pointing out that he did in fact have a decent running game last year. Oakland has a better ground game than Cincy did last year, but it’s not like they were garbage on the ground.
Cincy is a better team now than last year and the pieces are largely the same.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Johnson and TO have proved that he had nothing to throw to last year.
Johnson can’t even get the ball thrown to him in the most pass happy offense in the league, and TO couldn’t find a job.
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TO and Johnson this year are irrelevant to last year if we're talking about Palmer
Disregard TO and Johnson – look at the guys that were behind them (which Palmer found often toward the end of the season) – Caldwell, Shipley, Simpson, Gresham – they had some good depth at WR and a good TE. TO and Johnson still put up near 1000 yards each.
As you point out above – Palmer still managed to be 6th in the league in passing with that group of WRs.
Furthermore – are you saying that Oaklands WR corps is better? I honestly don’t think it is.
TO can’t find a job because he tore his ACL in the offseason and is still rehabbing. Johnson is faltering.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if he does play this weekend
Hopefully we can count on his unfamiliarity of the offense and players to help us out a bit.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Oct 18, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Come on man
This is a very good move for the Raiders. Draft picks are used to make the team beyyer, and they did just that. Plus the shot at Al is ridiculous since he built this core who are a lot better than our core.
More I read about Davis after his death, more respect I give him.
by craig in calgary on Oct 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Besides, now it is going to be a bottom 10 pick, because I think the Raiders are going to the playoffs.
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It's going to be tough for them to make the playoffs still
Unless they can pass the Chargers and take the West – which, even if the Chargers are squeaking by and not looking very good – they have a tendency to play strong late in the season, it won’t be easy.
To snag a wild card you’ll have to hope Buffalo craps out… cause the East is still strong. You’ll always have Pitt and Baltimore battling for spots in the North.
So they either need to topple San Diego or put up a killer record to snag a wild card. At this point I think their odds of making the playoffs are about as good as ours. And if we win this weekend we will basically be dead even.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed - the only questionable piece is the compensation
That’s a high price for Palmer, but he’s by far the best option for a “fix” at that position compared to what else is available.
As far as adding Palmer – it’s a great move. What they give up will determine the level of risk involved.
by Ochophosphate on Oct 18, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think Palmer has much left
they might as well have gotten McNabb… we all see how well he worked out… and Philly didn’t get 2 #1s for him!
I guess we'll see
I personally think Palmer still has some juice left in the tank at 31.
Sure he’s struggled the last 2 years, but he was throwing to tweetle dee and tweetle dum.
H/T saskwatch
by craig in calgary on Oct 18, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow....
I just about spat out my breakfast. Thier ‘core’ players are not only better than our, but they’re ‘a whole lot better’.
Wow. I’m just not even going to got into it and I feel cheapened that I even responded to this comment.
I normally love to read your stuff, but this….. wow
You don't think they are a better team right now?
They’ve beat us 3 out of the last 4 games we’ve played since the Pioli/Haley era.
I’m not sure why that was breakfast spit-out-worthy. I just like how their team is built, from the inside-out.
by craig in calgary on Oct 18, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Rumor has it...
It could be 2012 1st Round pick… And a 2013 1st Round Pick
H/T R2J
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
I love it
He hasn’t played/practiced all year. He certainly won’t be a factor this weekend, if at all. And the Raiders 2012 draft is complete dog shit. Hahahahahahaha!
So... this would pretty much mean the end of Campbell's season... and career in Oakland
That sucks… break your collar bone and that’s that.
It will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.
This will meen a possible QB controversy in Oakland!
Campbell is a good QB and needs to be in the same system for several years. I think if Campbell is traded away after this year it will hurt Oakland more then help in the long run. Palmer is good but only has a couple of years left and Campbell is younger and with a lot more upside.
In 12 years Palmer has only played the full season in 5 of those years
In 2006 his rating was 92.9 and steadily declined to 82.4 in 2010
Compound that with the fact that he’ll be 32 years old in December and barring any further injury, the Raiders can use him for what 3,4,5 years, maybe?
It would be a good move IF the Bengals weren’t wanting the first round pick as well as additional picks for a 32 year old QB that may or may not play a full season moving forward.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
I heard it is a 1st rounder in 2012 and a conditional in 2013 which could end up being a 1st rounder….seems like a lot for a qb that hasnt played all season
by chiefsfan on Oct 18, 2011 9:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Glad to see Al Davis left instructions on how to run the team.
1) If a former first round pick becomes available through free agency or a trade, make it happen no matter the cost.
2) Always draft the fastest player available on your board when it is your turn to pick (if you have any picks)
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Wow, a 1st rounder for a washed-up player who's been sitting on his ass for months?
Are you kidding me? This is hilarious. Carson used to be good, but he never took control of that team in Cincinatti. The idea of him with the Raiders doesn’t scare me much, no matter how good their running game is.
"Toby has been cruising for a bruising for years, and I am now his cruise director. And my name, is Captain Bruising."
Seriously
Carson Palmer needs to complete his retirement paperwork tomorrow for the ultimate trolling.
didnt we get cassel and vrabel for a second or how did we end up with vrabel
by chiefsfan on Oct 18, 2011 9:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
correct... and NO Palmers isn't that much better than Cassel at this point in his career
in fact, I’d rather have Cassel right now
i agree 100%
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by Bleedzredngold on Oct 18, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Who is the smart team in this deal?
Has to go to Cinci for knowing some team was going to be desperate before week six. Took a lot for me to say that.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
Yes they are!
Cincy already looks to have their QB of thr future in Dalton and a young, strong core of receivers. With another 1st rounder next year and a possible one the year after. They could be a force to deal with for a long time!
true, but pick #34 or 35 (whichever it was) is a lot different than pick #55 or 60 in rd 2
it was a high 2nd rd pick
That was also a move during the offseason
During the season, when team’s are desperate, you can demand more
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I think Cambell is gonna be pissed
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by motrepip on Oct 18, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, I hope he plays this weekend.
Palmer was a pick-six machine last year.
by FreshPhillyD23 on Oct 18, 2011 9:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
How is Oakland going to fit him under the cap.
They will be responsible for over half of his $11 million, and were they not right up against the cap all ready?
Do they have to cut somebody to make room, r can they rework enough deals to stay under? This could get interesting.
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Never know!
Could be some people may get released. If Palmer does good it could be Campbell.
Negotiation with the Raiders...
Raiders: We’ll give you a 6th round pick for Palmer.
Bengals: Well, I don’t…
Radiers: OK! OK! TWO FIRST ROUNDERS!
Bengals: Uh…ok?
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
by WestonK on Oct 18, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
wow
Everyone is looking at me cause I just laughed outoud to this one Hahaha
by kcchiefsfan on Oct 18, 2011 9:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah me too, funny
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
Ok, Ok, two first rounders...ha ha
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
And not one pick less.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
Hats off to the Cinci "brass"
A first round pick for a retired player? A guy who refuses to play?
That’s some kinda’ sweet deal.
Can we get off this "Suck4Luck" bullshit? Actually WANTING us to lose? Seriously...WTF???
Great move for us
Raiders are stuck w what they got for years now. Dude is not good anymore. Not in football shape turnover machine and a hit away from IR. 2 1rst rounders? Atta boy Raiders!
by KCinIL on Oct 18, 2011 9:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
How many Raiders executives does it take on draft day?
None. They don’t have any picks left…)
In Todd We Trust!
I think they traded their execs for a new draft room table.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
2 First round picks
That is a good thing. He is good, but not that good.
Can we get two firsts for Cassel?
Can we get off this "Suck4Luck" bullshit? Actually WANTING us to lose? Seriously...WTF???
Schefter just said it's official
http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/126303024325988352
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
@AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
Insanity like only Al could conjure up, its good to see he's still haunting that building
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This is a terribe trade
I think 1 first round pick for Palmer is too much. Guy is shot as his arm is not nearly what it was. He should have had Tommy John surgery.
Not sure how yall could think this is good for us.
a) Number 1 goal is to stop the running game so added personel is needed in the box
b) Now have a QB who can take the top off the secondary, and speedy WR’s
c) Our secondary has been prone to give up big plays in the passing game
I don’t like this 1 bit.
by craig in calgary on Oct 18, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
That makes 2 of us.
I thought that Oakland was going to be a problem with Campbell, and this is much more problematic.
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Palmer's arm is shot
You have to see him for what he is now, not what he was. He’s not the same QB.
He hasn't been that QB since the steeper playoff game
No need to worry. A statue that throws to the other team as much as his.
by KCinIL on Oct 18, 2011 10:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wonder how Raider fans feel about this
I’d hate it.
by KCinIL on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
A first and maybe another first?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Gotta love the incredibly stupid trades our division makes. Mike Brown’s ass got real lucky.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Oct 18, 2011 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
They have an awesome team though
Physical tough defense….a CONSISTENT top ranked rushing game, and now if Palmer works out they have a top tier qb. I don’t like it. Although I do kiinda like that they gave up a f and another conditional #1.
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
Who knows what the 2nd 1 is worth
…maybe it is a Superbowl birth?
Stupid Raiders, going and trading their picks to make a Superbowl team. Grumblegrumblegrumble
by craig in calgary on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Carson Palmer leads Raiders to Super Bowl
You heard it here first, folks.
by NotAGoodName on Oct 18, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, Palmer is definitely the guy to trade your future on.
I mean look at his track record. Brady 2.0.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
I didn't say that it WILL happen
I just don’t know what the trigger is for the second 1st rounder
by craig in calgary on Oct 18, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Bet it's how much he plays
And maybe getting to the playoffs
by KCinIL on Oct 18, 2011 10:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You really think theyre SB contenders?
They’re not winning it this year, I think we can all agree. After this year they have no money or draft picks to better their team. Terrible move. Drew Bledsoe 2.0. I couldn’t love this move any more, for us :)
by KCinIL on Oct 18, 2011 10:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Heck I don't think Palmer will have to play top-tier football himself for the Raiders to win the AFC West.
Just take care of the football and hand it off to one of their RBs and they will be in good shape.
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Nobody has mentioned
what a freakin genius Brown in Cincy is. Didn’t back down to player demands and then potentially gets 2 first round picks for a guy who is on a downward path in his career. Brilliant!
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
Guy is a horrible owner.
He got so effing lucky. Only a ginger and the Faider’s Organization could have saved his sorry ass.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Oct 18, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
This doesn’t change anything. He’s an idiot who got lucky.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Oh I know
the guy is an idiot. That’s what makes this so funny. If Brown is an idiot, what does that make the Raider’s? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
by ChiefWildcat on Oct 18, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Two of the dumbest organizations in the league.
But hey, they both have winning records.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Oct 18, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
For the Raiders...good player, bad trade
Maybe Palmer can help in Pryor’s development
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"good player, bad trade"
Exactly.
Can we get off this "Suck4Luck" bullshit? Actually WANTING us to lose? Seriously...WTF???
Honestly the best the raiders could hopefore
They have already won to many games to be in the “Luck” sweepstakes, And really, of all the QB’s out there, that is the one that might be able to step in and get it done.
The other trades that have left them nearly draftless for the next couple of years is the real problem
by Bigcherokeechief on Oct 18, 2011 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
So
What are they gonna do when he breaks his collarbone, trade away their 2014 and 2015 1st round picks for mcnabb?
Yes please!
#58 will always be king!
and you cant blame this one on Al Davis
That was not a joke btw. I think this goes to show that Al Davis wasn’t necessarily the one leading every dumbass move. Who in there right mind would trade 2 1st round picks for a washed up avg at best QB especially when he’s like 33 yrs old????
by JC25FoMVP on Oct 18, 2011 1:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
and you cant blame this one on Al Davis
That was not a joke btw. I think this goes to show that Al Davis wasn’t necessarily the one leading every dumbass move. Who in there right mind would trade 2 1st round picks for a washed up avg at best QB especially when he’s like 33 yrs old????
by JC25FoMVP on Oct 18, 2011 1:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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