Chiefs Beat Colts: Five Bad Stats
by Joel Thorman on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT
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We've gone over five good stats in the Kansas City Chiefs comeback victory over the Indianapolis Colts and now it's time for five bad stats. I found a few legitimately bad stats, and stretched on a couple others because things are always better after a win.
Here are the five bad stats:
24. First half points for the Colts. While a second half comeback is awesome to watch, it's not the ideal way to win games. The Chiefs gave up a whopping 24 points to the Colts. This is the other side of a comeback win -- the team played poor enough in the first half to put themselves in position to have to come back.
0. Number of sacks from the Chiefs. It's not a huge deal because they ended up winning but the Chiefs' inability to get pressure on the quarterback from someone not named Tamba Hali is a little concerning. Who will step up this year?
2. Number of times Matt Cassel was sacked. Again, not a huge deal with the victory but one of the concerns entering the game was stopping the Colts two defensive ends -- Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. They combined for two sacks in the game, both of which basically ended drives. The first came on a third down, forcing the Chiefs to punt, and the second game on a second and long putting the Chiefs in an impossible third and 24.
5. Number of touches for Dexter McCluster. Before Jackie Battle, he was supposed to have a rising role with 10-14 touches per game. He had just five on Sunday. Early in the game he had a drop and lined up wrong forcing the Chiefs to call a timeout. He looks like a player who could be dangerous in space but we just haven't seen that from him consistently.
67. Pierre Garcon's touchdown catch. It went for 67 yards and it appeared Brandon Flowers bit on a Curtis Painter pump fake allowing Garcon to get free. One of the Chiefs goals was avoiding the big play from the Colts offense. They failed on Garcon's touchdown.
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Not "all" Flowers.
If Lewis had covered up Clark down the seam, Flowers “probably” wouldn’t have left Garcon on the pump to Clark. Initially, Clark was wide open and Garcon covered up. In hindsight it would have been better to leave Clark open for the completion of course. I give equal blame to Lewis and Flowers on that one.
Lewis was breaking to the pump to cover the play
Problem was that Flowers did too
by RamX21 on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed,
but he was so far off I think Flowers realized Lewis had no chance to get there in time. Lewis was really in no man’s land and couldn’t help anywhere. If Lewis is 5 yards tighter, I think Flowers stays put. Maybe.
Flowers had his back to Lewis the whole time.
He wouldn’t have known Lewis’ actual location. Was just a bad play by Flowers. CB’s do that from time to time, nothing to be worried about, he wanted to make a play and got burned. Forget about it, line up next time and play ball
This is the kind of thing that happens when defensive players don't trust each other.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Disagree
It’s what happens when good corners try to take advantage of young, inexperienced QBs prone to mistakes. He made a gamble on that play and lost. Sure, he may have played it differently had he known Berry was covering the back end or if he’d had better awareness of Lewis’ position but hindsight is 20/20. Just move on to the next play and forget about it.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Hope so. That's more fixable than if he doesn't trust Lewis to cover.
I still have mental scars from our D before last year. I wonder if that might be why Studie’s so out of position on runs, because he learned the bad habit of having to cover for other players’ missed tackles.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Studde is not a good linebacker is the problem
He is a good special teamer though
We have a shot...at what...we don't know yet.
First rule: "Take care of your responsibility first and trust others to do theirs".
All good coaches stress taking care of your own responsibility first and foremost and trust your teammates to do theirs. I have seen failure to do this happen too often on the football field, basketball court, and cockpit. Lewis was in a much better position to cover Clark than Charles.
Yeah, and he was in a little better position than Flowers, too.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Lewis
I realize that was intially Flower’s man but last time I looked Lewis was a FS and isn’t their main job to make sure no one gets behind them? It looked to me Flower’s figured he had help over the top and had the middle zone.
All depends on what the coverage was. I kind of thought the opposite and saw Flowers just jumped the route. To me it looked as if Lewis was covering the middle of the seams and the CB’s had outside coverage
You can't be fat and fast, too; so lift, run, diet and work.
Hank Stram
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Oct 10, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what about the dude underneath? he just stopped in a short zone and didn’t follow garçon or clark. it looked like busted coverage. all three guys were needed to cover and flowers got caught up with the responsibility of covering clark underneath AND single coverage on garçon.
Free release and nobody trailing.
Definitely a breakdown all the way around, imo.
would of ≠ would've
All of them
Number of tackles Jon McGraw misses per game. He couldn’t tackle a toddler running down hall way.
by Chiefs447 on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
McGraw takes some poor angles throughout the game.
You can't be fat and fast, too; so lift, run, diet and work.
Hank Stram
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Compared to Studebaker, he's Ray Lewis.
And don’t forget who broke up that key forth down pass…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Oct 10, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
HA!
I’m not defending Studebaker one bit. I almost included him in my comment but he only got worked for one game. John Mcgraw has been in position to make sooo many tackles and just flat out whiffs. He has no business being on an NFL roster. And the only reason he made that key stop was because he held the guy with two hands when he made his cut. It wasn’t pass interference, but definitely holding, which would have been 5 yards and an automatic first down.
ptshh
That’s all I got, because you’re right… Seriously I have no argument. I hate it when this happens. What do I do?
I’m just gonna go ahead and…
(respect nod)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I pointed this out earlier in the week.
McGraw got hurt and the D had back to back good weeks. McGraw comes back and we got straight lit up in the first half. This guys gotta go
by RamX21 on Oct 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
and I believe McGraw got hurt
on Indy’s final TD at the goal line. DWash cane in after that. Scoring stopped.
by RamX21 on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ja Boi been beating that drum for a while now
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly…..Bflowers has not looked good at all this year….he was beaten badly by steve johnson in week 1…week 2 he was worked over by Calvin johnson….has been beaten sveral times this year…..not sure if its the lack of consistent pass rush…or bad communication between him and the safeties….but he has got 2 play on a much highr level in order for us 2 get better………
RAWKC@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by RAWKC on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe should compare his performances to how other CBs did on those same receivers.
I remember Detroit fans saying he did a lot better with Johnson than Talib did the week before.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Nobody in the league does well against Calvin Johnson
That said, his worst week was against Flowers. Something like 37yds and 2tds.
We have a shot...at what...we don't know yet.
Good point.
And on at least one of those there wasn’t really much BFlow could have done. The size advantage for Calvin Johnson was too great.
by bamachief5558 on Oct 10, 2011 3:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
#Colts QB Curtis Painter on his makeshift O-line against Chiefs: “I think I got knocked down maybe one time yesterday.”
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I noticed Houston had a nice move that led to a QB hit
November 23, 2006. 1st and only trip to Arrowhead. That was a good day...
by florida chief on Oct 10, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Time for Flowers to actually earn that paper
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
^Agreed^
You can't be fat and fast, too; so lift, run, diet and work.
Hank Stram
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Oct 10, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I did see Houston get pressure on one key play late in the game, turned into a third down incompletion I think. But I saw him covering GarQon a lot more than he was covering Painter. WTF, Hoopla?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Stop Darren McFadden
For the love of god just stop Darren McFadden!
by KCinIL on Oct 10, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
if we stopped Peterson
we can stop McFadden. I’m confident we will stop him
I think Thomas Jones would have better success in Bodybuilder competitions than he is havin right now in the NFL!
by LookListenLearn on Oct 10, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
We hardly shut down Minnesota's run game
AP had 80 and Harvin another 67. Kept them out of the end zone but didn’t exactly stop them.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
AP had a lot of carries as well.
With so many he should have gone over a hundred. That makes a big difference
November 23, 2006. 1st and only trip to Arrowhead. That was a good day...
by florida chief on Oct 10, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah, he got 3.5 ypa.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Houston held him to 51 yards on 16 rushes.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Big Fat Zero
0 – The number of rushing touchdowns in 5 games.
This stat bothers me. We are too one dimensional in the Red Zone without any rushing TD’s
God Bless America and especially Jopln Missouri
How many did we have last year?
Not saying this doesn’t bother me but I think Haley prefers using receivers in the red zone instead of trusting zone blockers to put us in the end zone…explains using Shaun Smith last year lol
November 23, 2006. 1st and only trip to Arrowhead. That was a good day...
by florida chief on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It is weird, though, since we had our power running game going yesterday for the first time in a long while.
I would’ve thought we’d come out of that with at least one rushing TD. I guess the situations just favored throwing it.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Not as many as we should...
For being the #1 rushing team last year, I think JC had 5 rushing TD’s and Jones had 6
Personally the S4L crowd is a bigger disappointment than the season by far.
by Chiefsfanindonkeyland on Oct 10, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Dex -
Indy’s run defense is very disciplined and fast. Bad match-up for a scat back. Good think KC has a well rounded backfield, and excellent that the coaches switched to the power back early on.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
On turf, no less.
Muir should have just used Freeney and Mathis against the defense and let him run between the tackles. With Dex as the loan back, all they’re thinking of doing is getting up field to disrupt the edge, effectively taking them out of the play.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Front 3
gregg dorsey tjax=18 total solo tackles 0 sacks in 5 games
Dlinemen just need to hug the olinemen, not actually play defense
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
NE starting front - Ellis, Haynesworth, Carter, Wilfork = 21 solos and two sacks this season.
Anybody else want to throw out some random stats?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
NE defense isn't that good...
up until last week they were on pace to give up more yards than the 81 Colts…Just a random stat
We have a shot...at what...we don't know yet.
Heh, and they also have one more starting lineman than KC. And one who's a part timer.
So, yeah, that really was a random stat.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Deion Sander's smile:hand size ratio is exactly the same as Mike Tirico's.
Semi-random stat.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
funny
Following the Chiefs more than I should be between late nights at a social networking software start up.
PIT DL - Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Cameron Heyward:
21 tackles, 1 sack.
BAL DL – Cory Redding, Terrance Cody, Haloti Ngata:
25 tackles, 2 sacks.
3-4 DLs ARE NOT STAT MACHINES. Amazing that 3 years after we switch back to the 3-4 we still have to discuss this…
And actually those are combined tackles... since we're playing with solo's:
PIT DL has 14.
BAL DL has 19.
KC’s starting DL actually has better stats than the NFL’s #2 D’s DL, PIT.
Hooray for totally insignificant stats!
Funny thing I thought I saw Gregg catch a back in mid air yesterday.
Must have been someone else with that same large body. Even so, I think they are mainly there to take blckers so the LB’s can take the glory.
Sorry, miss read your quote. Still, their main job is to take on blockers and let the LB’s get the sacks. And that is a low number, only 5 total sacks, 4 from Tamba. That is what is bad, not the 0 sacks from the DL.
can't disagree with that
but still those front 3 has been just as pathetic
They've gotten some good pass breakups this year
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Oct 10, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
the real point is that you were trying to defend our front 3
with that ne crap and you showed your true intelligence by the way the chiefs d has given up more points than any other team in the league…..just a “RANDOM STAT”
Punctuation.
It should not be optional.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
The real question against Oakland has nothing to do with Gregg, Dorsey n Tjax
The real question is whether Jacoby Ford lights up our secondary again this year.
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
That lack of sacks thing is
really really bad considering who we just played. On paper, that will probably be the worst offensive line we see all season. Zero sacks and no pressure is asking an awful lot from our secondary
I can just assume that our coaches laid off the pass rush in favor of coverage thinking that Painter would miss.
That’s the hope I hold onto, anyway. I did see Houston covering WRs more times than I noticed him rushing. Our second best pass rusher, covering GarQon….le blech.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I really wish I knew what was behind the coaching decisions
Such as Run Run Pass Punt in the first half. Then I felt like we needed to be knocking Painter down, but we didn’t seem interested. Oh well I guess it worked.
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
2 sacks against Freeney and Mathis isn't necesarily a bad stat.
If you put it into perspective, alot of teams who have played the Colts would love to leave there with only 2 sacks by Freeney and Mathis, especially with both coming on a 2nd and long and a third and long situations. I think our O-line play has been a major factor in our improvement.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
Instead of the 2 sacks allowed to mathis and freeney, i would say 0 rushing TD’s is a bigger issue. Chiefs are the only team in the NFL that have yet to score a rushing TD.. thats troubling.
I think they could've run it in on Indy, as well as the running game was working.
But we weren’t really in any goal to go situations. I think the closest we scored from was that last TD, and Breaston was singled up on a replacement CB on that play which made that a fairly automatic play call.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I don't believe that 5 touches by Dex is necessarily a bad stat.
We generated offense with our main threats. Bowe and Breaston lit it up in the passing game, and Battle — who should be our main back from here on out, and I think it’s hard to disagree with that — beat em up on the ground.
This kind of performance would conceivably open up the field for Dex to make some plays.
Now when Baldwin comes back, if he performs the way we think he can, I’m liking those weapons. We could be dealing with something nasty.
The emergence of Battle is a big deal. He’s a guy who can carry a lot of the load. Thomas Jones was effective spelling him, and 5’8 Dex wouldn’t be asked to do too much.
JC will be back next year, and I’m not too concerned about drafting a running back anymore.
by bamachief5558 on Oct 10, 2011 3:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Unless you're drafting a "Feature Back"...
I think wasting any pick higher than rnd 5 has been proven to be a wasted pick as many UDFA’s have shown up bigtime in the last couple of years…
Jamaal Charles was a 3rd rounder.
by bamachief5558 on Oct 10, 2011 5:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Pendulem has swung on Battle ...
From "Cut Him ! / I can’t believe this Pine Rider is Still on our Team ! " To " Start Him !!! / "Give him the Majority of the Touches !!! " in one game…Oh the Fickle Finger Of Fate…
Dexter is overrated as a RB
We should use him as a receiver only
by Grayt1 on Oct 10, 2011 6:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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