Free (Agent) Thoughts
With all of the mock draft posts going up, one thing that is bothering me a bit is that I see a few people posting what they think the roster will look like come 2011 andit usually is based on the grand assumption that we will resign all of our free agents, which are a few important players in key positions. I thought I would take a few minutes and give some ideas (and fears) about our current roster, resigning all of our important players in 2011, and who could/should be targeted to bring in.
First and foremost, our free agents in 2011 aren't quite as pressing now that we have extended Derrick Johnson and Jamaal Charles, as they would have been key losses; however, the potential free agents for us are still worrisome. Here is a list of expiring contracts in 2011 (and assuming that the restricted free agent clause goes back to 3 seasons), taken from walterfootball.com, listed in order of importance to the team, in my opinion:
Shaun Smith
Rudy Neiswanger
Ok, quite a laundry list, with the delicates at the top needing some quick attention. Tamba is priority #1 for resigning in the offseason. This might be a little spiteful, but while most people see Tamba's desire to wait until the end of the season to discuss contract negotiations b/c as it was stated, he "didn't want to be a distraction", I'm unfortunately more inclined to think that this might have been the worst thing that could have happened for our chance to resign him. It was stated by Tamba's agent that there were discussions but both they and the team were in agreeance that they wanted to "wait and see how the season progressed"; this quote scares me more now b/c we are talking about the player that was 2nd in the league in sacks, which is a coveted stat in this league. This season has progressed better than either Tamba/his agent and the team could have imagined, and that means that Tamba will get some staggering offers from teams, I'm sure. Tamba himself has also stated that he wanted to "retire as a Chief", which looks good for the media, but when push comes to shove, players have to strike while the iron is hot, and if some ridiculous offer comes from a team looking to get his high motor and production, will we be able to match it? If not, would Tamba's loyalty show through and he take less money to stay with the Chiefs? I can't say for sure either way, but one thing is almost certain, Tamba will command some BIG money, and our only hope is that money is coming from the Chiefs.
Brandon Carr has been an important part of the resurgance of a stout and consistent KC defense, and for his part, he has been great as a #2 CB opposite Brandon Flowers. Carr should be another target of resigning based solely on keeping continuity with this young secondary that could become one of the greats, if not the best, in the NFL. Trying to replace him would be a challenge, as his height, speed, and coverage (which has been greatly improved this season), compliment the smaller, stronger, physical presence of Flowers and Javier Arenas. I have faith that Arenas could become our #2 CB and be successful, but his size could be exploited more regularly if he's on his own island instead of covering more in the middle; I feel that Arenas is made for the nickelback position and hopefully, we have Carr in place as the #2 CB for a long time.
Players like Mike Vrabel, Shaun Smith, Ron Edwards, and Casey Wiegmann, while maybe not the most talented players considering their age, bring experience and veteran leadership that is invaluable to this young team and has shown through this season as the Chiefs have been one of the most disciplined, consistent teams in the league. If Vrabelmoved on by retiring, hopefully the Chiefs would offer him some kind of coaching position if he wanted it. Smith and Edwards will need some replacing, but if they can be signed for smaller, shorter contracts, andthe team can find younger replacements, whether in house (Anthony Toribio?) or in the draft or FA, keeping a strong rotation of D-linemen, especially at NT, will be key. Smith has shown value as a multi-position player, and his success under Romeo Crennel through his career lends me to believe he will want to stay with the team.
Going back to Wiegmann, along with Rudy Neiswanger and Ryan O'Callaghan, these players provide depth (and leadership in the case of Wiegmann) for a very thin, depth wise, O-line, and as we develop players in our system, players with knowledge of the scheme, specifically zone blocking, will speed along this development. Wiegmann is the most important, as clearly he on the last gasp of his admirable career, as we bring in a replacement andpotential staple at center, which will be key going forth facing the strong D-lines of Oakland and SD, as well as playing better competition in our schedule the better we do each season. I don't believe Rudy will be resigned, but feel that Casey will be, as he may have to start at the least the beginning of one more season in 2011 as we groom his future replacement.
Mike Cox and Jackie Battle are important to our RB depth, as Cox has shown to be a fine FB in run blocking, and Battle could be a good short yardage back if we continue to develop him further. I don't think either of this players will find much interest on the market, so I would expect their return. Although, I do think we should continue to look for that staple, pro bowl caliber FB that we have been longing for since the days of Tony Richardson (is there any more underappreciated position on the field than FB?) but Cox should fill in nicely until that happens.
The rest of these names are minimal losses, in my opinion, as we have players in their respective positions that should pan out long term as starters and major contributors, or they just plain aren't good. Now, in the event of not resigning all of these players, which unfortunately is a real possibility, especially with the higher end players, a few names jump out at me in free agency that I hope... no, I BELIEVE, could be brought in considering this team's rise from awfulness to division winner; marquee free agents will want to come to a team on the upswing of potential greatness, they will want to be a part of building a championship team. I will just name a few players with their positions and the reasons why I think they could be successful with us.
Ryan Harris, Denver RT- Our RT position, as it has been filled adequately by Barry Richardson through this season, could be improved. Getting Richardson back to being a swing tackle and not an every day player would give him more time to mature into a professional, which is the only thing holding him back from being good-great, in my opinion. Harris would be a shoe-in as he already knows the zone-blocking scheme, has been a successful RT on a very successful O-line in Denver, and is only 25. ESPN is reporting that Harris will probably leave Denver; he has had a frustrating 2010 season as he was recovering from injury, was benched for a rookie in favor of more power-blocking, and didn't play up to his past excellence. It sounds like getting him healthy and into the right system will see him flourish.
Brandon Mebane, Seattle DT - NT may have the most expectations from the fanbase on getting a solid, marquee name in as the major part of a rotation. Mebane is highly underrated and not known widely outside of Seattle, but he has been steady, through his short career. While he's only played in the 4-3 defense, he's shown strong gap control and fighting through double teams to make plays, so I see no reason he can't adjust to NT. Seattle will look to resign him, but if he's known amongst GMs and coaches, he should get some decent offers. He's fought through some injuries this season, which might lend to him hitting the open market even more, but he's 6'1" and 311 lbs., giving him good height for leverage and good size for a NT. He could be another Shaun Smith-type of player that can play NT, DE, or DT in the nickel.
Manny Lawson, San Fran OLB - In the high hopes that Tamba is resigned, teaming him with Lawson could be formidable. Lawson is a former first round pick that really hasn't panned out as a premier pass rusher, as he was a DE in college and was drafted as a standup rusher as San Fran transitioned to a 3-4. However, Lawson hasn't had much help with the pass rush from his 49er teammates, so getting him teamed with a player the caliber of Hali could deflect attention from both of them, freeing up opportunities. Lawson has also been great in pass coverage and is recognized as one of the best at shutting down opposing TEs. San Fran's plan on resigning him is up in the air, as Lawson publically stated he wanted a new contract at the beginning of the season, but San Fran wanted to wait and see how he played this season, if he stayed healthy, etc. He hasn't lit the world on fire this season, finishing with only 2.5 sacks. He would be a great addition at OLB for the Chiefs.
James Jones, Green Bay WR - Jones is a strong, polished route runner that blocks well down field and can stretch the field when needed. He has been lauded for his route running, however suffers from inconsistency and focus (sound familiar?). I fully believe Todd Haley can work wonders with Jones on keeping his focus on being as good of a WR as he can be. Lined up opposite Dwayne "Pro" Bowe, Jones can be a great #2 that has all the skills to be a part of the "right 53".
Santana Moss, Washington WR - This is a little questionable, but looking at potential candidates to be consistent vertical threats, I like the thought of bringing in a solid vet like Moss that can still do what he does best: run straight down the field for the bomb. I would consider Moss to be the "Thomas Jones signing" of 2011: an experienced, yet aging player that can lend some knowledge to young players while performing well in his role. His skills can be the missing piece of the offensive puzzle, as we will definitely need to open up the middle of the field more for Bowe and Moeaki with vertical routes. Moss can give us that for the short term.
Matt Moore, Carolina QB - With the impending departure of Brodie (pretty please!), the backup QB position will need to be filled with what should be a veteran QB that can come in in emergencies, not lose the game and execute the game plan, which is usually run the ball and don't turn it over. Moore has been spot on with this dynamic in the past as a back up, and I believe he falls well into that "eternal backup" role, as he has come in as a smart yet fiery player that his teammates respect and will play hard for b/c they know he won't do anything stupid to lose the game. He has regressed a bit this season, only b/c I believe he folded under the pressure of being the starter, but as a backup with nothing to lose, he thrives, not unlike Bruce Gradkowski or Kerry Collins. He may not be as seasoned as other potential backups to Matt Cassel, but I like what he has to offer and he could be the backup for several seasons without the worry of retirement.
That's my list of top free agents I think we should target for positions that need upgrading. Other positions are definitely in need of upgrading, if not just for depth, such as center, ILB, safety, and any special teams players. But I think that positions like WR, OLB, and backup QB are better suited with veterans compared to rookies (for the shorter term of success). Thoughts are welcome about these players, our free agents and their potential signings/losses, and other players that could fill our needs.
And as always, while we are still in this season, GO CHIEFS!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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The only offer for Croyle
Should be a taxi to get heck outa town!! I’ll drive down there and do it myself if need be!!!
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+1000000
That is the number I’ve times I’ve said “I hate Brodie Croyle” in my lifetime.
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Bein In Wisc
Ive seen alot of James Jones,and would love to see him in KC. Plus lookin ahead to next year for the Packer game…A recent former player for extra insight?? :)
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I like Jones
Again, I know he’s been inconsistent, but he’s got the skills, especially route running, to be a solid player. I read an interview saying he just wanted more opportunities. He’d get them in bunches here in KC, for sure.
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like Dex?
the OTHER invisible man
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I'll give Dex and the team some more time
Still have to figure out what he’s going to be: slot WR, RB, slot/end around/decoy ala Reggie Bush, ST ace, who knows at this point.
Either way, clearly Chambers has no interest in getting open, or just can’t anymore. Tucker, Copper, Lawrence, Hoffa, Arhardt, all these missing people need to be improved upon. More competition!
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
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by FalconMF27 on Jan 8, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dex is a poor-man's Reggie Bush
But is suffering from the same obstacles facing Bush: needs a defined role that gets him more touches. I think Weis has struggled with creatively using DMC. He should get lined up in a number of positions and change his position through motion much more than they do now. They are trying to make him be both a traditional RB and a traditional slot, instead of making him more of a hybrid.
Agreed
It can’t be hard finding ways to get the ball in his hands. Screens, reverses, fake reverses into screens, anything! It’s about committing to doing it if that’s what you really want. I think his injury may play into that moreso than we realize as well (or so I’m hoping), but let’s all expect the next OC to utilize Dex much better than the Weis-el has
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
gotta sign Hali and Carr
My favorite FAs would be Breaston and Harris, I think…
Lawson could be good, too.
As for QB, there could be some very good ones available, not sure who is the best fit
It's all about the gameplan
by stagdsp on Jan 8, 2011 10:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I thought about Breaston
My thoughts with him is that Arizona has zero control over Fitz after 2011, and if they can’t retain him, then Breaston is their only other option, and if they can keep him for a reasonable price, which I think they can, they will. I don’t think Breaston will garner that much attention yet: he’s battled injuries yearly, and has had very inconsistent production (which could just be a product of the QB situation), but again, if that’s the case, and ‘Zona knows they may lose Fitz, I can’t see them letting him walk.
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Anyone on that list with 4 years or less will
get the RFA tag “if” a new CBA is signed. They will go back to the 4 years exp or less for the tags. Pioli loves doing that to guys. It makes them have something to prove as well as seeing another year before you actually sign them to a long term deal.
Carr
Battle
Cox
will all get tags. Carr will probably get a 1st round tender with the rest getting 3rd…
I could see us giving 2 year deals to a couple of the older guys but with us able to get out of them after a year if we wanted. Vrabel, Wieg, Smith and Edwards. I think a guy like Smith needs a year to year contract so he stays motivated.
Hali should be signed fairly quick after the season. I dont think a 6 year $60mil contract with $35mil guaranteed is out of the ball park. He is going to get more than Harrison(31 when he signed) 6yr/$51.175mil. I think the best comparison with contract will be Dumervil 6yr/$61.5mil. He did get $43.156mil guaranteed though!
I agree on Hali, that deal if Hali wants it is done
same with Carr.
We make a good one year deal with the vets I think they take it to.
It is not the time for the Chiefs to be CHEAP
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If you produce you should get paid
Chambers (if he wasn’t injured) should be beaten by the Chiefs players
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I dont think
you let those guys go unless you have a set replacement for them. There is no reason to make a hole in your depth just to have to replace it via the draft or FA. You sign them then let it be worked out in OTA’s and preaseason if you do find a replacement.
I think I agree
no reason to cut of our nose, Doesn’t mean Chambers should’nt be beaten if healthy
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If we do draft a #2 WR this year...
I think Chambers is the odd man out. Too much money, most age and least production of the guys on our team.
He had a great 2nd half last year and deserved the contract he got… Just like his lack of production this year deserves a cut!
^^This^^
He had a great 2nd half last year and deserved the contract he got… Just like his lack of production this year deserves a cut!
Well said. Couldn’t agree more
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Nice write up
I agree that we need to re-sign Hali and Carr. I’d go so far as to say we need to re-sign Smith. I’m hoping Vrabel sticks around as an LB coach. I’d like us to keep Mike Cox but think we could use an upgrade over Battle and Castille as a backup RB/FB. Everyone else would be expendable.
I hadn’t heard of many of the other FAs you mentioned, but think there are some good possibilities there. Moore as a backup QB would make me much more comfortable than Croyle. I’m unfamiliar with Jones, Lawson, and Harris but you make a strong case for them being an upgrade at some needed positions. Especially since you said Lawson has played above expectations in pass coverage, since our OLB opposite Hali will need to be a complete LB capable of rushing the passer as well as covering in space.
I think Lawson could be a great addition
Especially with the uncertainty of Sheffield at this point. Getting Tamba help would be paramount in possibly showing how invested we are in keeping him. With Lawson being a former first round pick, it’s hard to say how much money he would want, but you can’t put a price on pass rushing, and if the potatoes make the steak that much better, it pays to spring for high quality spuds. Lawson would almost be my #1 target in the offseason after resigning Tamba, and possibly even if we don’t resign him, considering we would need to replace that pass rush, and while Lawson hasn’t shown he can do it consistently, at least then perhaps our first pick in the draft would have to be an OLB and Lawson can fill in nicely while the top pick gets his feet underneath him.
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
I doubt we use a first round pick on OLB
A first round pick at OLB is going to get a lot of money (thankfully not top 5 money this year). If you’re going to spend that much money on an OLB, you might as well re-sign Hali. That is, of course, if a new CBA doesn’t limit rookie pay substantially. I expect them to re-sign Hali and we already have Studebaker signed long-term. With Sheffield in the fold and developing, signing Lawson means we likely wouldn’t even look at OLb in the draft and would focus on and ILB to go with Johnson, Belcher, and Williams. I still have hope that either Greenwood or Micah Johnson (on the practice squad) can develop into a dependable backup at ILB; they both have a lot of physical talent.
Considering where we would be picking....
at least in the 20’s of the first round, we might miss out on the top-tier OLBs anyway. The uncertainty of Sheffield is what lends me to believe that if we can’t resign Tamba, and with Studey still developing, OLB may be a priority in the draft. I would think that the idea behind Studey is that he can become a Vrabel-like player: not overly talented, but hard worker and accepts coaching postively to become a consumate professional. He may need that stud OLB opposite of him for him to be successful (ala Willie McGinest with Vrabel).
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Picking in the 20's
we will miss out on the better players at most high-value positions (LB, WR), but should be a good spot to maybe pick one of the top interior linemen. With Rudy never becoming a solid starter and Casey getting close to retiring, I think we may go with a center in round one. I know everybody is going to say “wait until round 3 for interior linemen”, but if we can get a good center we should.
That's kind of what I was thinking as well (assuming we resign Hali)
Like I said above, our center position is becoming more and more important the higher level of competition we face and the skills/size of some of the DTs/NTs we will be facing, we will need a high level center. If we draft late round, we might as well take the top rated center if he’s projecting out in the 2nd round, just to ensure we get him (if he fits all the prerequisites, of course). If we don’t resign Hali, I’m not sure what the priority becomes, but signing an OLB like Lawson could get us by for the time being.
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Why not a Tackle?
could get a LT quality guy in that 20 range, whether we use him at LT or not
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The Tackles available this year leave much to be desired.
I think we’d be better off signing a FA starter at RT or a young depth guy that can play both spots.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
We could go tackle at that point
Depending on what the future holds for Richardson and O’Cally, and I do want to see more of a staple at both tackles. Albert’s locked in, but the other is up in the air at this point. That’s why I think Harris would be key, as he is solid in our scheme and has played the position at a high level, but if he can’t be obtained, I wouldn’t think that RT would be that important to use a first round pick on, despite needing the upgrade, it isn’t critical like center is, in my opinion.
And let me clarify, while I did list the order of our free agents by level of importance, I didn’t list the potential free agents we could sign in any particular order. So I wasn’t saying we needed Harris first and foremost, he was just the first name that popped in my head. Clarify for clarity reasons :-)
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Harris could come cheap too since he didn't exactly finish on a high note in Denver and has injury question marks.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Right.
He will no doubt get some substantial offers, I’m sure, Washington being the first team that jumps out at me, but to leave a team on a sour note and get a good offer from a division rival of that team, hard to say no to that.
Unless of course Dan Snyder screws the market up even more and ridiculously overpays for a RT. Which wouldn’t surprise anyone at all
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
I think we are more in need of a center
Richardson and O’Cal aren’t the best RTs in the business, but they can suffice as starters for one more season. I think we are in immediate need of a center. Though if we could sign Harris to be the RT, we’d be in an even better situation. I don’t know how many of these FAs (if any) Pioli would target, but they would meet some of our needs and let us take the best player available in nearly every round of the draft.
20's?
Try 32nd.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
by Flowers24 on Jan 8, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Chiefs/Seahawks Superbowl???
Think about the whooping we put on Seattle too, and for them to do what they did to the defending champs, gives me hope in a bottle (or is that whiskey?)
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
By the way, thanks for the props :-)
I agree we should resign Smith, and I don’t think we should have a problem doing that as long as we retain Romeo.
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
For me...it would have to be Hali and Smith first...
Carr maybe third, but i dont think he’s a long term answer at the #2 corner position…Edwards, yes, if the price is right…Pope, yes… and keep the o-line together that creates continuity. The rest can go….even Vrabel, i like his leadership but we need to get young in the LB department….IMO
Just curious
But why do you think Carr isn’t the long term at #2 CB?
I agree that youth needs to keep coming into the LB dept. Keep adding and developing LBs always
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Take notice
everytime the other team makes a big 3rd down play or big play period, the only jersey i can read is Carr…sure he makes the tackle, but the damage is done. He’ll probibly have D. Mason this sunday, and i promise you Baltimore is going that way often
He gets thrown at alot, considering the talent on the other side
And in the past, he has been spotty on coverage, but he’s among the league leaders in passes defended this season, he has improved his coverage this season substantially, and again, he compliments his teammates in the secondary very well. He is still improving after 3 years, so I am inclined to let him keep improving on this team until he isn’t anymore, then see what we have in him.
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
I feel that way too
But think that will be offset next year by more developed safety play. I think Carr is going to be part of the solution here in KC. He won’t be the best CB, but with solid players around him he will contribute to a dependable secondary.
Very nice write-up Falcon
rec from me.
I hope there is a Free Agent signing period starting on Mar 1 or so :)
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You, me both, Steve
No football in 2011 = no happy Falcon
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Two points
Regards Harris, I was under the impression that Denver had scrapped the ZBS scheme and some want to go back to it with the new coaching regime in Denver. Thus Harris was a liability based on his Power blocking ability.
Regards Lawson, I like that idea a lot.
Another thought, I heard that with Wade Phillips taking over as DC in Houston, they will be going to a 3-4 scheme as well. Could be good for us or bad
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 8, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I am not sure of the future of Denver and their O-line scheme
You may be right about that. However, from what I read is that Harris is “ready for some new scenery” and felt he was “rushed back” from his injury. This may just have more to do with McDaniels, but it seems that if Denver sticks with their interim HC, then many of the same assistants will be retained, which is what may be more the issue than just the HC.
The more teams that switch to 3-4 will mean the talent pool for 3-4 players becomes watered down. It also means that more and more 4-3 college players will be looking to make the transition to 3-4, so more will be available in the draft, thus more “projects” that likely won’t pan out. So it’s not just bad for us, but for everyone
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
I think Williams is a free Agent too
so we would have DJ and Belcher as our ILB’s with a bunch of youngsters as ST’s and role players.
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No wrong again
2013 FA
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 8, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Good read, have to admit that my ADD wouldnt let me read the entire thing.
Looked over some of the Free Agent ideas. Will have to try and read again to comment. Rec’d.
Off season - Trade ARIZONA enough to get Fitzgerald (thanks Eyepod for free agent status)w/o destroying our draft (thanks Texas Chief)
Pick 1 - Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State (Team Captain)Projected to go around 24th.
Pick 2 - Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi (Team Captain)6'2" 320 Rd 2-3
Pick 3 - Demarcus Love OT - Arkansas (Team Captain)6'5" 315
Pick 4 - Edmund Gates WR - Abilene Christian (Team Captain)
"Individuals go to Pro Bowls, teams win championships" (Scott Pioli)
"Everyone has a plan 'til they get punched in the mouth" (Mike Tyson)
Lol, it was a bit long winded
Let me summarize for u :-)
Blah blah blah, resign hali & Carr, blah blah blah, maybe smith, wiegmann, and Edwards, blah blah blah, sign these free agents, blah blah blah, go chiefs ;-)
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
by FalconMF27 on Jan 8, 2011 12:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My free agent wishlist.
1. NT Paul Soliai(Dolphins)
2. LB Chad Greenway(Vikings) – To play SILB for us
3. RT Ryan Harris(Broncos)
4. QB Alex Smith(49ers) or Matt Moore(Panthers)
5. WR Lance Moore(Saints) or Steve Smith(Giants)
6. Tamba Hali…of course.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
We need more Moore :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 8, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I would be a big fan of that signing.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jan 8, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Nice list
Soliai is solid, but after last seasons free agent NT extravaganza, or lackthereof I should say, I don’t expect teams to let go of quality NTs and since Miami doesn’t have an imminent replacement, can’t see him walking.
Greenway is good too, again though, feel like vikes wouldn’t let him go, good candidate for franchise tag other than sidney rice.
I was hoping lance Moore would have been available last season for slot wr, couldn’t hurt to add him this season
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by FalconMF27 on Jan 8, 2011 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Vikings have quite a few Free agents and will have a hard choice on who to franchise.
I hope they let Greenway walk.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jan 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Dolphins originally pencilled in Starks as their NT
They moved him to DE basically because he lost his job and is making too much money to be a backup. Depending how much money Soliai commands I could see them letting him go. Aubrayo Franklin could be another option.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 8, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
They moved Soliai to DE or Starks?
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by FalconMF27 on Jan 8, 2011 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Starks
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jan 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
So Soliai took over at NT
I didn’t know that; the little I’ve seen of Soliai, he was the starter. I didn’t know he replaced someone mid-season. What’s Stark’s contract situation? Do you know right off hand?
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Yeah, that could be a good call on Soliai
Miami might be stuck with Starks and losing a better player b/c their hands are tied on paying both of them. That’s interesting. Good call. Plus, Miami plays the 3-4 (I believe, correct me if I’m wrong), so Soliai is experienced at NT. And he’s a beast of a man too. Good call, Generic.
I was thinking more outside of the box on adding big, talented bodies to a strong D-line rotation, and trying to keep in mind how rare NTs hitting the free agent market are nowadays, and one might just fall right into the market
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
You are right though that teams tend to hoard these guys.
Green Bay was in the same boat as Miami last year with Raji and Pickett and signed Pickett to a big money extension to play DE. Miami isn’t short on cash so we’ll see what happens but hopefully there’s an experienced NT somewhere in free agency.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I might be bias
Ive watched Greenway get burned sometimes and hes not the fastest but he would a good add and upgrade and I would love to see him in KC. But than again Ima Hawkeye so mabe my opinion dont count on this one?
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by milwaukeechief on Jan 8, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Best part about Greenway is he's smart, has good instincts and is very physical.
I think as a SILB it would play to all his strengths and like you say a huge upgrade over Belcher.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I remember
Greenway and Abdual Hodges at Iowa, those 2 were monsters!!
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by milwaukeechief on Jan 8, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
the first milwaukeean ive seen on here
I’m on the east side myself. If your going out for the game and need an ally i’ll be at the up and under pub on brady street. Its nice to know im not the only chiefs geek here.
They scarce here
Theres a couple of us up here,I usually watch at home(got the Sunday package)And I tend to scream at the tv alot!!! That might be frowned upon on Brady street! :) Would love to catch for next season sometime though,with a game of alittle less importance. Although they all important..:)
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by milwaukeechief on Jan 8, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Also a Hawk fan...
And I love me some Greenway. But I don’t see how he fits in our D, because he’s not a drain-plug linebacker. He’s the speedy, get-to-the-line-of-scrimmage, drop back kind of backer…
Don’t we have one of those in DJ?
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
True...
But if they’re good at many of the same things and average at many of the same things, it does compound a weakness.
Give Greenway five, six pounds and have him play Belcher’s part? Could work…
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Jan 8, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Good thoughts Generic...
I go with #1, #3, #4b and #5a.
Why Greenway, when he would basically play the same position as DJ? If you’d suggested one of the Henderson boys at LB, I could see that…
Alex Smith would be good; Moore = better because he has the same skill set and likely won’t want/expect a shot at #1, but has the talent to keep pushing Cassel.
#6—to me—is a given.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Lawson would be awesome.
Willis overshadows his presence on the team, but he’s bound to break out due to all that talent and ability not being utilized to their fullest
I'm so cool I crap out green posts and just nod
Agreed
I think Lawson could be a fantastic pass rusher if he had ANY help on the other side taking attention, that is why it would be fantastically beneficial for both him and Tamba if they were teamed up. My hope is that talent and ability that hasn’t shown through to the fullest will keep his price tag down and the Niners hesitant to resign him. Bring him here!
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Also
What does that say to Tamba: "hey, we are getting you help so you can continue to improve and dominate. Stay here, don’t go to another team just to start over and be the “man”, which means only you will be any good rushing the passer".
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
Inhouse
We have to take care of out inhouse talent first. Were up and going now and have to keep our key players that helped up this year to get where we are at. I wouldnt mind looking at Greenway and Woodley. Them being the top LB in FA assuming we resign Hali. Always a good idea to look at OL also. The running game is our key to winning.
Keep Tamba.
I believe this will be done.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Great read
I haven’t jumped into the mock/offseason chat yet because I’ll have plenty of time to read and be obsessed with that ya know? But my two cents….
I like the idea of a Manny Lawson/Lamaar Woodley type guy to get as an OLB. LOVE the Ryan Harris idea. Gotta think any OL would like to come and block for JC now that we’ve extended his deal.
Free Agents can look at our team that has young talent, leadership, and a coach that has shown to get the best out of his players. I love the fact that FA’s can look at a foundation that has been built, and has already seen success so these players don’t think they have to be an answer, just part of the puzzle. Tomorrow’s game will not only showcase our team for this year, but it will showcase our fanbase to all the FA’s out there that will say, “Man, it’d be cool to play for fans like that”
The sterner the discipline, the greater the devotion.
Mos def
Players will want to be a part of the resurgence of a tradition rich franchise like KC. The fans can definitely show the league how awesome playing for this team can be, and as long as we have a shot at competiting in our division regularly, making the playoffs, and pushing for a championship, our management and coaches alone would be enough to bring in high quality players, but adding that aspect, is just gravy.
Get these players in here, get them with our talented roster, and let’s make a championship run and turn that into a dynasty.
(Speaking of dynasties, I hope I’m not the only one that HATES dynasties. Hated the Bulls through the Jordan run, hated the Cowboys, Bills, Yankees, Lakers, Pats, any college team that just dominates through a period of time. However, if it were my team that was a dynasty (Chiefs, Royals, MU, Thunder) I would love every second of it. Funny how that works :-)
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
I hear ya
Hated the Cowboys, Yankees….Hell I hate the UCONN women’s team. I liked the underdog, like the Red Sox, and then they win one and get all cocky and I can’t like them anymore. I’ll just have to stick with the Royals because they’ll always be an underdog.
I think the organization has already shown it’s progress with DJ and JC’s contract. We did not have to overpay those guys to keep them here. People can say whatever they want about Haley and Co., but these players WANT to be here and we don’t have to write a blank check to keep them here.
The sterner the discipline, the greater the devotion.
My list....
Who to resign…
1. Tamba Hali
2. Brandon Carr
3. Shaun Smith
4. Jackie Battle
5. Casey Weigmann
Who not to
1. Mike Vrabel
2. Brodie Croyle
could care less about the rest
Need list
1. #2 WR
2. OLB
3. NT
4. RT
5. C
- WRs:
1. Danny Amendola
2. Steve Smith
3. Sidney Rice
4. Jonathan Baldwin (draft)
5. Mike Sims Walker
OLB:
1. Ray Edwards (could make a huge successful conversion from DE to OLB)
2. Von Miller (draft)
3. Jeremy Beal (draft)
4. Akeem Ayers (draft)
5. Justin Durant
NT:
1. Aubroyo Franklin
2. Brandon Mebane
3. Sione Pua (draft)
4. Antonio Johnson
5. Kendrick Ellis (draft)
RT:
1. Jared Gaither
2. Jeremy Trueblood
3. Derrek Sharrod (draft)
4. Anthony Costanzo (draft)
5. Jamaal Brown
Too lazy for a whole list of Centers but you get the idea. I’d offer Danny Amendola franchise WR money and hopefully it could be enough to take him away from Bradford.

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