Grading the Chiefs 2010 Draft
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 18, 2011 11:03 AM CST
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PrintI am basing this largley on the rookies 2010 performance/contributions and the value they presented at that pick compared to what they contributed in 2010, not as much on a hypothetical future projection:
#5 Eric Berry, A stepped in immediatley and played from day 1. Night and day difference from Mike Brown. Has room for improvement but thats another debate. Remarkable concept using your 1st rd draft pick on a guy who make an impact year 1 (thats you TJackass!)
#36 Dexter McCluster WR/RB, D, take away his September performance and its an F. This isn't a judge on him as a person but his ability to contribute to the Chiefs. At best he will be Dante Hall 2.0, drafted at #153, overreach, too small and gets pushed around easily, a few hghlights on Sportscenter doesn't warrant this high a pick.
REDRAFT: Nate Allen, this would have put Jon McGraw on the bench and soldified our safeties for years to come.
#50 Javier Arenas C, decent player but an overreach for a nickel back who can normally be found in mid and late rouunds. A decent player who contributed and even briefly flirted with the slot wr on offense (Roy Green 2.0?) but the Chiefs had other more pressing needs.
REDRAFT: Terrence Cody, yes hes fat and lazy, Pioli got over that when he drafted Tyson Jackson. Puzzling we go to a 3-4 but don't address the NT, the Ravens game taught us well without bulk in the middle your whistling dixie.
# 68 Jon Asamoah A, saw some playing time even in the backfield as a FB, has a nasty streak, could he be our next C? Remember in 09' we drafted Alex Magee here who was swapped to Tampa for a Doug Williams worn pair of socks
#93 Tony Moeaki A, 2n on the team in rcvg and broke Tony Gonzalez rookie mark. The only other viable receiving threat besides Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe. Without him this may be a 6-10 team.
#136 Kendrick Lewis B, not a bad pickup iin the 5th, had been projected as high as 2nd rd, had some inconsistency though but good grab in the 5th
#142 Cameron Sheffield, I for incomplete/injured. showed promise in pre-season prior to injury, may save the Chiefs a draft pick in 2011.
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Screw 2010
2009: BJ Raji > Tyson Jackson
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 18, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions
Not part of the right 53
/gag
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 18, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
What an epic fucking blunder
It’s almost as if the hoodie knew his minions were flying the coop and sold them on a bunk draft board
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 18, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
But then again they prolly were already laying the plans to trade
Seymore so Tjax would be a nice fit as a rotational guy until he grasps a starting roll
Back then if you wanted Raji(like I did) everybody was telling you how wrong you were and that Curry was the next ‘DT’
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 18, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
honestly id still take tjax over curry. the LB for KC have gotten much better and TJax just finished his second year. takes 3 for a dlineman just look across the line to dorsey and see that proof.l
Curry is a DJ clone, we don't have a spot for him
At least there is a starting spot for Tjax if he can win it.
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 18, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Jackson missed 5 games with a MCL tear
Had he played all those games, the stats he would of gathered would of had fans praising him and his progression from year 1
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2011 6:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you
Kalo takes tons of time to actually break down tape, and according to him Jackson’s looked light years better this year than last, pretty much just as good as Smith.
Yet people continue to hammer away that he hasn’t improved, he sucks, yadda yadda yadda.
Do I wish we’d taken Raji or Matthews? Yeah. But Jackson has improved, and should continue to do so.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
2009
Sanchez > Tyson Jackson
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
Does the all pro O-Line, two premier WR's and HOF fame RB come with it?
if so, then yes, that would have been smart.
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I don't get your point.
In the same offseason, we got an equally unproven albeit older QB, paid him more money and still didn’t have all those weapons around him.
by craig in calgary on Jan 18, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
And he performed better than I think Sanchez would with this personnel....by far
That is the point.
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I will debate that.
Cassel had the benefit of playing QB with the most dangerous ground game in the NFL. We seen how great Cassel can be when he has to throw the ball, and there is no threat of the run (yikes).
Cassel is okay, better than some worse than some, Sanchez has a lot more upside, not to mention he took his team to the AFC Championship 2 years in a row.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Like I said, best O-Line in football for Sanchez and two of the best WR's there are....
His running game isnt shabby in any way either….
I think Sanchez would look pathetic with what we have here.
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by woodman212 on Jan 18, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Right. Sanchez got them there...
Against IND- 18/31, 189 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT
I’m pretty sure they won despite him, just like the usually do. The man has maybe 3-4 good games a season, if that.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Sanchez is doing nothing except tagging along for the ride
for the second year in a row. Also he had the benefit of the 4th rank rushing attack as well as the 3rd ranked defense to carry him all season
by badassz1987 on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
He's performed better than Sanchez
With worse receivers and a worse offensive line.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Just curious as to why you think this
cuz Raji didnt have that much better of a year than TJax and the DE playing next to Raji didnt have any better year than TJax
by badassz1987 on Jan 18, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
stats dont tell the whole story
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 18, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Packers linebackers are better than the Chiefs linebackers
same 3-4 different results.
I love Hali
But no way is he as good as a healthy Matthews. Clay’s been gimpy all year and still very good. He’s better in coverage and against the run.
Again, I love Hali, but I’d take Matthews over him any day of the week.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
A lot of players > Tyson Jackson
Does that make him a bad player. no. He’s decent and has shown progression. remember he did miss 5 games this season with a MCL tear. Hindsight is a bitch. Why play it. More than half the time there was a better pick when you look at it a couple of years afterward. We’ve got Jackson now and whether the fans like it or not, he’s not going anywhere soon
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2011 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2009 draft
What no differences on the 2010 draft grades?
RE the 2009 draft as bad as TJAX is lets not forget using the #67 pick for Alex Magee and passing on Terrance Knighton and/or Mike Wallace, taking Donald Washington at #102 was a kick in the giggleberrrys when we could have had Austin Collie. Future Caseys employee of the month Javarrius Williams was a steal compared to taking Arian Foster.
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 18, 2011 11:22 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Magee
actually looked like he’s going make a career for himself in Tampa Bay (1 sack, 1 FF in limited playing time). +1 for the Future Casey’s employee of the month comment
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 18, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
yeah well hindsight is 20/20………….okay so maybe i just dont like this post in general but yeah there had never been a draft where every pick was the right one. plus tjax isnt done for. remember all the talk last year of dorsey being a bust. any dline position needs time to adjust. in college they are much stronger and faster then the offensive counterpart 99 timeout of 100. not the same in college. they need time to learn the position. alex magee…….yeah bad pick.
2010 draft was a pleasant surprise....
As much as 09 was disappointing. ….
I like your take on the re-draft. That is what I would have wanted as a GM. (Nate Allen and Mount Cody)
You might be a tiny bit tough on DEX and a little too easy on Arenas. Nice job on others except I would have gone about 1/2 grade lower across the board.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
first two picks safety?? pioli would have been labeled a retard after that. not saying it wouldnt have worked but no way you pick THAT postion with 2 straight picks. tackle, lb on back to back picks okay but safety?? come on.
Retard at the time.... But genius a year later.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I think the grade on Dexter was just right
Aside from the kickoff return on opening night, he did nothing great on special teams.
On offense, he was exactly what everyone thought he was going to be. A player without a position that the coaches think they should be using but dont really know how.
Dexter did nothing that Jamaal Charles couldnt have done better.
by ChiefDJ on Jan 18, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree
People say we could have used him more, but the stuff we could have used him in was the stuff Jamaal was gaining 40 plus yards on. Any trick play we couldve ran for McCluster, Jamaal could have done 100x better. Thats why I dont think as many plays were drawn up for him because if we actually gave it to Dex on some of those fake reverses, only god knows how many big JC runs we could have missed out on.
They seemed to have all those great ideas how to use Dex but in the final result....
as year wore on he was used less and less. Some due to injury some due to lack of being able to play regularly as Slot Receiver. Only in “Gimmick” situations.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
my biggest problem with the 2010 draft
taking Arenas in the 2nd round. I understand that he is a decent nickel back and an excellent returner in college, but he did not do much this year in the way of returns. The beginning of the season he looked decent, but did not do much after the 4th game in returns. Think we could have gotten more with this pick.
i would wait till next year
How many great runs by arenas were called back for holding…our blocking sucked on st
by groundedchevy on Jan 18, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
agreed...
and i don’t understand why everyone is so down on Dex…
I feel that it is on the coordinators to find out how to use him and draw up plays to get him the ball in space…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Dex was drafted for specific purpose ....
to use his quickness on returns and in backfield but mainly as a slot receiver. One who would create mis-matches and problems for opposing nickles, double teams and base defenses. He showed flashes but was not a game changer. I saw very little effect and it seemed he was used less and less as year went on….. I love the guy…. he just did not have desired impact as such I high pick is expected to have.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Yea, but like you said he's also going through a position change
I haven’t given up on Dex as the slot guy just yet. He still has all offseason to continue to learn how to be a Wide Reciever.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
I would give Dex an Incomplete
I think we are all forgetting that he was having to learn a completely new position as a rookie AND missed a lot of playing time. It’s hard enough to come into the pros playing a position you’ve played all your life, let alone what Dex was being asked to do. But no worries. I can see Dex and Bowe attending that WR camp this year and Dex having an impact season next year.
why are so many
ppl down on dex?? no, he didn’t do much this year but if you recall right before we picked him I think the eagles were trying to get him!! look, we’re not the only team that were high on him I think everyone team was!! just give him time.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Jan 19, 2011 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
I dont like it when people say great runs by Arenas and McCluster were called back because of holding
Those great runs were results of holding, if that was a clean block they wouldve gotten tackled.
Not sure how...
You can give Arenas a C yet Asamoah an A.
sure, Arenas wasn’t as good as we wanted him to be as a returner, but he really showed up as the NB. Made a lot of plays in that position.
Asamoah has hardly seen the field… and when did he play some FB? I don’t recall that.
Arenas gets a B, Asamoah gets an N/A or Did Not Compete.
I agree with the rest though...
Although Dexter isn’t Hall 2.0, I don’t think. DMC played at a much higher level in college than Hall. We still haven’t seen his full potential, I don’t think. He wasn’t really worked into the game plans this year as much as we were hoping.
Hall was extremely productive at Texas A&M
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
Pick #50 Arenas was a solid C. No more.
He played , but you expect that from a 2nd round pick. I was disappointed with his performance as Nickel Back and inability to cover slot recievers and TEs. He demonstrated some potential as punt returner but that talent can be had in later rounds. (see Brandon Banks and Josh Cribbs -undrafted FAs)
Pick #36 McCluster may yet prove a solid value but as of now I only give that pick a solid C for seeing playing time. He cannot be classified as a starter or Key Contributor.
Berry and Moeaki were an A. Lewis is a B , (he would not have started unless Chiefs sucked at safety. Asamoh and Sheffild can be considered incomplete.
Thus Chiefs rate a Solid B. ….with a star…..and chance to improve.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
FAIL
asamoah an A?? seriously. and that isnt even my biggest gripe. mccluster getting a D and then you want to draft another safety. blah horrible IMO. berry and lewis will be great as time goes. . yeah nate allen had a good year but seriously drafteing safety rd 1 and then rd 2?? come on. Pioli would have been torched. plus mccluster was great to start the season and you cant discount that. i mean seriously his punt return against SD on monday night could have been the catalyst for the entire season not to mention the great catch and run against SF week 3. then he got hurt…..high ankle sprain. WORST sprain for a speed guy there is. you just dont rebound from that quickly. its slow to heal and lingers the entire season. plus once he did return the offense had evolved. Mccluster might not be the returner Dante was but he will be much more valuable to the offense. the arenas pick okay maybe cody there( i was a big fan of his pre draft) but still i dont even think arenas deserved a c rating. he made plays on defense blitzing and a few in coverage. he was a rookie and will get better. the other grades i agree with but mccluster doesnt deserve a D. if you give sheffield an incomplete because of injury Dex needs to get a redo as well. .
way too hard on McCluster
He had over 1000 total yards, including kick returns… scored big TDs in 2 games, and started every game when healthy.
That’s not too shabby for a rookie. Especially one that hasn’t really been utilized fully in the offense yet.
He brought much needed speed and explosiveness, and the best is clearly yet to come.
I liked Cody, too… but dex should get at least a C or B.
It's all about the gameplan
by stagdsp on Jan 18, 2011 6:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Consider that ....
Jacoby Ford was a 4th round WR/returner and B Banks and Josh Cribbs were undrafted. You can’t consider McClusters impact as that of a starter. He was a part time player at best. His impact on games lessened as year went on. He gets a solid C as a part time player drafted very high in 2nd round (36th overall). I’d want more from #36 overall if I were a GM…. wouldn’t you.?
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Ford was a great pick, would have liked to get him in the 4th.
Yes, I’d want more from Dex, and they DID get more than that from him… he made some big plays on offense. It’s hard for the “what have you done for me lately” crowd to remember, but McCluster had a positive impact on the offense in 2010.
He had basically the same receiving numbers as Chambers (yes, I know Chambers didn’t do much either) which, to me, indicates that the Chiefs didn’t get the ball to any WR not named Bowe all year.
We would have been kidding ourselves to expect 1000 yd receiving/ 1000 yd rushing from a guy like McCluster in his first year, given how this offense performed.
It's all about the gameplan
Its not hard to get 1000 total yards including kick returns
Dexter thus far has been a complete bust. He went from the most hyped up rookie over the offseason to the most irrelevant in the regular season. I hate the way he plays, I hate how high we drafted him, and I hate the fact we are forced to pass up on several free agents and draft picks that could be elite slot receivers because we already paid for Dexter McNogain.
I hated the pick draft day, I hate it now. Dex seems like a nice person, but hes a better singer than football player. I hope he can prove me wrong
your opinion is clear
But, I completely disagree with it.
And that’s fine
It's all about the gameplan
by stagdsp on Jan 18, 2011 6:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, I dont like his production
but as Chiefs fans we should root on all of our younger players and wish them the best because most of them havent half-way reached their potential. So I hope Dex can prove me and thousands of other people wrong.
Well...
if it looks like he is going to be a bust after next season we can always sign Welker who will be a free agent in 2012. The Pats have Julian Edelman so I think they will let him walk.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Jan 18, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Why Wes Welker
Lance Long could be had for half the price
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2011 7:00 AM CST up reply actions
You don't understand...
this Wes Welker kid, could be the next Wes Welker.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Jan 19, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
wow i really dont understand the hate for DMC
It truly is sad. He will improve as the years go on. Give him and the coaches some time. It was upsetting that he did not RUN the ball more. You know something he did in college. I held my breath not knowing what to expect when he ran a sweep.
Just give the man some time
Motivation is a fire from within, if someone else lights it, chances are it will burn briefly
by CasselKiLLer on Jan 20, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
He's no CJ Spiller
Spiller was to me the most hyped player coming into the draft. The last time I remember seeing him was on the preseason week 2 or 3 highlight real on ESPN.
"If you ever dream of beating me, you better wake up and apologize" - Muhammad Ali
Why are people so hard on T Jax?
He’s is not horrible. In fact, I believe he will be pretty good. Many people don’t seem to know what to look for in a 3-4 end.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
Why people are hard on TJAX
He was picked 3rd in the draft but yet is sittign behind one of 22 guys of the street (Shaun Smith). If TJax needs several years to develop then he should have never been taken #3. The Chiefs could have gotten a plate of ribs from Gates and done better than TJackass. He has Ryan Sims written all over him. Guys picked this high should be immediate impact (see Eric Berry for example).
At a minimum he should be average starter, hes not. Shaun Smith was brought here to rotate at NT with Ron Edwards and a fresh NT would have made our defense a whole lot better along with an average DE. Instead Smith had to man the DE as TJackass was either injured or really doesn’t get it, thus leaving Edwards worn out and exposed. Look at Wallace Gilberry too for a guy who contributes far more in relation to what we spent in draft picks and $$$ to get him.
TJackass really?
He plays for the Chiefs and the last time I checked, he didnt spit on a women.
I hope Tyson Jackson doesn’t read these comments.
Motivation is a fire from within, if someone else lights it, chances are it will burn briefly
by CasselKiLLer on Jan 20, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
I liked our 2010 drafts except for the second round picks.
I was against the Dexter and Arenas picks in the second round. You should be able to get a punt/kickoff returner in the late rounds. We should have picked either another safety, WR, DT, OT, or a rush LB in the second round. They could have picked up Nate Allen, Brandon Spikes, Terrence Cody, Golden Tate,
Cody doesn't fit
See: Fat and lazy.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
by Flowers24 on Jan 19, 2011 1:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
RE: Cody doesn't fit
Fat and lazy=Tyson Jackson
See Jamaal Charles get the ball knocked loose, see Cody in one afternoon at Arrowhead win more postseason games than the Chiefs in over 6,000 days.
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 20, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Right
Because T. Cody was the ultimate deciding factor in the Ravens’ win, and Tyson Jackson was the sole reason for the Chiefs’ loss.
"If you ever dream of beating me, you better wake up and apologize" - Muhammad Ali
If you think Jackson is nearly as fat as Cody
Someone needs to post a pic of Cody and a pic of Jackson for you. Not even close.
Not to mention Jackson had a much better year than Cody…
But hey, we lost, so I guess that means Cody is more of a winner than anyone on the Chiefs :)
is Tom Zbikowski also? I mean, he plays for the Ravens too…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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