Chiefs vs. Chargers: Todd Haley Says 'We're Not As Skilled As They Are'
by Joel Thorman on Sep 9, 2010 3:34 PM CDT
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Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley had a quote on Thursday that if you took out of context would look a little funny.
"This team we're playing on Monday we're not nearly as skilled as they are," Haley said. "It's not close. That's no disrespect to our players. It's just the way that it is."
Realistically, he's right. The Chargers are consistently been referred to as one of the most talented teams in the league to never win a Super Bowl.
But what Haley was talking about was the difference between players that are skilled and players that are talented.
"Skill is skill but it doesn't come down to the most skilled player," he said. "There are a lot of skilled athletes that have missed their opportunity to be in the NFL or whatever sport we're talking about. Skill is skill but I think it's the other variables that separate the skill from the talent and truly talented players."
Haley and Chiefs GM Scott Pioli have talked about this often. Finding the best football players -- not the most skilled football players. They say often that the they're building a great team -- not a collection of Pro Bowlers.
I think most of what Haley says is correct. However, at some point you need skill. The Chiefs are getting there with guys like Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles.
We'll see if those types of guys are enough to beat the Chargers on Monday night.
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Shoulda kept that "never win a super bowl" part...
That’s important to remember
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
by NJChieffan16 on Sep 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and all this time I thought Marty's Chiefs of the 80's were the most skilled never to blah blah blah
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
This totally explaines Cassel...
He is the no skill, no talent player Haely and Pioli are talking about… ;-)
wow
never miss an opportunity to trash your teams QB huh?
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
I think when you combine the talent and high character that Pioli and Haley look for
you will end up with a team of highly skilled players
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Sep 9, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
skillets are overrated ... why, I've used simple aluminum foil and things have turned out just fine
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Sep 9, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What Todd Haley says:
“We’re not as skilled as they are”
What Todd Haley means:
“We are more skilled than they are”
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
by Sudden on Sep 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yes
dont let his words fool you, its all an illusion.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Which one is the
real reply jrcnc. My brain has been fooled.
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
Sorry, meant to include:
“If you want to win you have to work harder and be smarter.”
"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda
I thought it was work smarter and be harder
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Also,
having no Merriman, Jackson, and McNeil definately helps bring the “skill” level to a little closer level.
"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda
Definitions
skill (skl)
n.
1. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. See Synonyms at ability.
2.
a. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
b. A developed talent or ability: writing skills.
tal·ent (tlnt)
n.
1. A marked innate ability, as for artistic accomplishment. See Synonyms at ability.
2.
a. Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.
b. A person or group of people having such ability: The company makes good use of its talent.
So he's saying San Diego knows the playbook better
But is not as talented
Did he just throw himself under the bus?
I think you are onto it :)
The Chargers are oooooooolder skilled players
The Chiefs are younger way more talented players
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Chargers T.E.A.M...
The Egotistical Arrogant Meatbags.
They certainly are confident and talk a big game (see this post), so my hopes are that we kick the living dogshit out of these cocky poopfucks…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 9, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
What they got an ego for?
U need to win a SB to have an ego…
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
Because of their stay atop the AFC West...
not that it has been much of a challenge, but since we are in the division and they owned us last year, their egos tell them that they will own us again…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hee hee, you said "cocky poopfucks".
Me likie. :)
by kcfangrl on Sep 9, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
gifted, right you are ... that's why we MIGHT be able to win despite Cassel being ...
… say it with me, everyone … average!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'll take average
I hope he turns out to be a good starting QB. He has been bad, yet not as horrible as some make him out to be.
This is his year to prove something.
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
Probably Use a Formula
Character + Talent + Skill + Desire. I would think:
Character = 40%
Talent = 30%
Skill = 30%
Desire = 30%.
Total Attributes = 100%
What do you think the ratio would be and what would other tangibles be?
i would say
You’re wrong on Desire i am a football coach myself if one of those is the most important trait it is definitely desire. You can be the most amazing person on earth if you don’t have desire to play football then you’re not going to succeed the same goes with skill and talent. I see so much skill and so much talent that it makes me sick if only they had the DESIRE of a few kids i have that are less talented they would be amazing football players. So i shall beg to differ with your percentages and say its more like.
Desire=50%
Skill=20%
Talent=15%
Character=15%
Desire, in a football sense, is part of character
Character isn’t just about being a good man. Its about being a driven man, about being relentless in attaining one’s goals.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
I didn't say being good wasnt part of character
I just said its not the ONLY part. Desire, or WILL, is as critical a part of character as any.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
Sudeen, in the business world most of those "driven men" are schmucks
… being relentless in pursuit of a goal is one thing, but when attaining thaat goal entails ruining others without mercy or care, character has little to do with the issue
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
isnt it:
10% luck
20%Skill
15% concentrated power of will
5% Pleasure
50% pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name?
half the time it's 90% mental
Your Mama!
by TDubb on Sep 9, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Was going to chime in with those lyrics
But it looks like I’ve been beaten to the punch. =/
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Haha
Well i didn’t wanna go into decimal points but yes if it was just pioli and companys opinion then yea character may be higher. But sometimes i think Character is a loose term i mean there arn’t really that many people with “bad” character we just notice them all, so if u stay away from those which shouldn’t be hard because its obvious, especially with the amount of even keeled to high character players, who the “bad” character players are.
Horseshit, Wang...
I say their talent level is on the decline. Give ’em another year or two and then they will be washed up, bottom of the division, ass-clowns…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 9, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We need some of wangs juice for the big game...
see things no one else can see, do things no one else can do…
"Chiefs will...crush our enemies, see them drivin before us and hear the lamentation of the women."
Laws of Power Observed in Aforementioned Quote:
8: Make other people come to you, use bait if necessary
9. Win through your actions, never through argument
12. Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim
21. Play a sucker to catch a sucker, appear dumber than your mark
22. Use the surrender tactic, transform weakness into power
32. Play to people’s fantasies
39. Stir up waters to catch fish
46. Never appear perfect
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
Anyone remember the game we played against the niners when Marty was here?
We were big underdogs, niners on a ROLL that year. Media was all wringing thier hands about how bad we were gonna get our butts kicked. Even Marty said our only chance was to just TRY and stay up with them. How the hell he kept a straight face in that interview was beyond me…
Bottom line was we ran right AT the O lineman who was the supposed stud…repeatedly. Broke off CHUNKS of yards each time. Game announcers were stuttering and stammering all over the place…I spit so much beer thru my nose that day LMAO, I hurt the next day. We smoked the niners, Marty showed up with his trademark, whoa, what? type look, and all was right with the world. He had suckered SF, and now everyone was onto what happened!
I’m looking for a repeat Monday night…I’m betting Haley is trying to get his team riled, and getting SD to continue to take us for granted. By talking us down, he’s suckering SD to keep running their mouths. Absolute best way to get motivated is be shown lack of respect. We have just enough days for this to fester to a boil…hooo boy!
maybe he asked Haley if Berry asked if he could get that Camaro
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah, it's like Haley's thinking...
“Great, what does the geeky hip-hop poser want now?”
More nonsensical dogma to regurgitate from Todd.....
If the Chiefs win the game Monday night, would we not be able to say, that we played the game that night more skillfully than they did?
Claiming to be able to accurately determine skillfulness vs. talent level, is the same as comparing an apple to an apple.
One may taste a little better than the other….but either one could be eaten before the other, and different people could easily think either of the two tastes better.
The odds of Todd being able to judge an entire teams skill level vs. another teams talent level, and using his findings to determine the outcome of a game, or a season, is the same as TheK-Man becoming a 21st century….. Nostradamus.
Not very likely.
Just clam up and play the games.
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."
~ last words of Francisco ("Pancho") Villa ~
And don't take me the wrong way.....I LOVE Todd Haley.....
but he’s better at the x’s and o’s, throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines when he gets pissed at a player….
than he is when he’s trying to wax philosophical.
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."
~ last words of Francisco ("Pancho") Villa ~
Way to exude confidence in your team Todd
I have to say I’m a little surprised that there aren’t more folks pissed at Haley for a stupid comment.
What? Is this supposed to motivate them to prove him wrong? If so, keep those comments behind the locker room door.
Where’s the typical “No Information” that this staff abides by? What a stupid comment from a coach of a team. Honestly, people should be a little pissed that a coach would “put down” his team. I say this Todd:
“If you and Scott did a better job of acquiring and preparing this team, then you wouldn’t have to make a comment like that. Blame the team? No, the blame starts with you.”
Just my .02
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
...and one more thing I forgot to add
…WTF is he attributing the Chargers “skill”? Have they played a regular season game yet? On paper, you can say there are a lot of teams that are SB contenders…..were the Saints on your “skilled” list before the start of last season to win it all?
I call BS on Todd.
’rant out
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
I agree
Todd wasn’t exactly coming off confident by words or body language. I’m hoping it’s a part of the “smoke and mirror” approach we’ve seen so far…
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 9, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a distinct possibility
It just came across as sounding like he’s already making excuses for a loss before even playing the game.
I don’t think Haley thought this through.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Chiefs fans smartest in the world...
What entertaining posts tonight. Apparantly, in addition to being arm chair coaches, chiefs fans are also linguists, philosophers, psychologists, and mathematicians based on all the responses and interpretations of a few off-handed remarks by a not so scholarly football coach. Or do we just all need to a get a life?
You're new here with one post, so let me explain how things work here...
…you offer your opinion and discuss. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. It’s a blog for Chiefs discussions with varying opinions both pro and con.
Or do we just all need to a get a life?
Perhaps you do….see ya,lol.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Think we need to
just get a win!
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 9, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
david, actually many of us ARE philosophers, psychologists, and mathematicians ...
… and attorneys at law, linguists and yes, English Majors, historians, engineers … the list goes on and on and on …
we’re FANS, david … this IS our life in some ways … OUR life and OUR team and we love ’em
any questions?
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Sep 9, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Uppers - what you lack in tact
You make up for in sheer brutal stubbornness.
And that’s why I love having you around. Rec’d.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Chiefs fans smartest in the world
I thought I was offering my opinion. You did not have to read it. Besides, actually I was trying to be funny. Sorry if it was lost on you.
The "reply" button is your friend
(Though I admit it’s easy to forget when replying to a message at the bottom.)
No problem
….sometimes it’s hard to determine if someone is serious or joking using the written word. It happens and you’ll find it easier and easier the more you’re on here.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
I have lived I Dallas for the last forty years
… So it’s great discovering this blog. Much better discussing chiefs with fellow fanatics than listening to what renfro, lily, aikman, or romo had for lunch over the last four decades.
You have to hear that crap all the time?
I’m so, so sorry.
And I thought it was obnoxious here in the land of the TN Titans hearing about Fisher and Vince Young and (OMG CJ!) every day.
That Cowboys crap has to be far worse. Welcome to AP.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
...and use of the sarcasm font or using :) helps as well.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
It's all good
We’re all on the same team here….
…although sometimes you’ll have to look for the forest between the trees with some of the veteran commentators. It can get pretty heated, but it’s just because a lot of the folks are looking for more than 10 wins in 48 starts :)
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Don't thank him for that he gives us lip all the time. Oh wait... you said tip
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Sep 9, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
McCluster has mad skills
long time ole miss rebel here.i have been watching dex for a while, and i will say this he has as much or more skill than any player on the chargers team. it may take him a while to adjust to game speed….but he catches the ball better than most recievers, runs better than most backs…and is quick as a cat..
Welcome to AP
davidherrman and raginrebel
I got my panties in a twist once or twice on AP. But Chris and Joel run a wonderful CHIEFS site.
On AP it is never personal until you make it so :)
Really wierd Capt. Pickard images out on Google images :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 9, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
you ain't just whistlin' dixie, we figured all that out during preseason.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Sep 9, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Jack Harry already butchered the quote saying "talent" instead of "skill"
Nick Wright at least got the quote right and skipped the Chiefs talent part.
Oh well that is what AP and Joel do :) give us the complete story for us to feast on!
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The Chargers are consistently been referred to as one of the most talented teams in the league to never win a Super Bowl.
That in itself gives us motivation to kick sum but this monday!
"The receivers are an integral part of the passing game." - Hank Stram
I Prefer Haley's Approach
To a loud mouth douche bag waxing about all his team’s talents or talking in circles like Herm. I mean at least Haley “tries” to give you some information in his coach-speak. He reminds me a bit of Parcells…hmm wonder why.
I wish Haley would just always wear a bear costume when he makes public appearances.
He would look way less creepy.
That's a good sign that Haley's eyes are about the same color as the teams colors
Jared Allen, Culinary Acadamy
Talent vs Skill
Talent: natural ability…………… Skill: experience and training………….. This is the point I’ve tried to make before – This team is full of very talented players who’re waiting for some good leadership and training. Experience takes care of its self. If you ask why the Chiefs didn’t replace more people on defense, this is the reason why. You can’t teach natural, God-given ability. You can teach skill; with the help of a little more experience.
by David Winton on Sep 10, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I like Haley's thinking
but for the most part, I think we’re getting too caught up in these quotes. Between this and what Cassel said yesterday, too much has been made of these interviews. I guess it’s all we have to go off of right now. But remember, coaches and players are doing these interviews not by choice, and would rarely tell you what they really think.
Then again, it could be just me, but I prefer to make my decisions based on what happens on the field.
What Haley meant by, "This team we're playing on Monday we're not nearly as skilled as they are..."
This quote can be translated into, “We are bigger, faster, stronger, and more explosive than they are, but why should I tell you that when you can show up at Arrowhead Monday night and watch for yourself…I shouldn’t ruin the surprise…Our actions will speak louder than any of the words I quietly mutter today…I don’t want to come across to cocky, so instead I’ll just pretend that I am not that confident. But come Monday we are gonna start whippin’ ass! Believe that!!!”
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